Post game questions from someone who only saw the score
by Ben Knibbe on Feb 18, 2012 4:10 PM PST
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PrintIn my temporary cell phone service I checked the score and thought up these few questions to stand in for a post-game recap.
(And answers, from someone who watched the game. Teamwork!)
How did we fare in rebounding both offensive and defensive?
(Rebounding was pretty good throughout the game. It did seem like the defensive rebounding lapsed a bit in the second half, though that may have been due to an Arizona crashing the boards to try and get extra possessions and whittle down UW's lead. Offensive rebounding was good, but could have been better if Wroten had capitalized on his second chances.)
How aggressive was Abdul Gaddy? How did it effect the Huskies' offense?
(Gaddy was phenomenal to start the game, scoring or assisting on 6 of UW's possessions early, with some nifty passes to Ross and N'Diaye for easy baskets. He, along with Ross, got the team going and let them get an early lead. His second half was less impressive.)
How clutch was Ross? Was this game even winnable without his outburst?
(The game would not have been won without Ross. He hit his first 9 two pointers, and the only thing keeping him from a career day were his 3's not falling. But you didn't even really notice that they weren't going because he was so good otherwise. There was not streak, just a consistent and solid performance throughout the game. Undoubtedly on of his best.)
What was up with Wroten's poor shooting night? What seemed off for him?
(A lot of Wroten's poor shooting was him not finishing around the rim, grabbing an offensive rebound and then not being able to finish his second chances. Off the top of my head, a can't remember him getting a second attempt to go. So a lot of his misses ended up being two misses on one possession, making it look like he had a worse shooting night than he actually did. I was very surprised at the end of the first half to see he had taken 14 shots, because it really didn't seem like it.)
What are your general thoughts on the team for the rest of the season and was this game impressive to you and change your feelings of the team at all?
(Very impressive game. One that the team really needed, and they went out and played very well against a quality opponent, but the thing about this team is one game isn't enough to change my feelings on them. They're inconsistent, and need to play like this much more often, and haven't proven that they will.)
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How did we fare in rebounding both offensive and defensive?
Gave up way too many offensive boards and second chance points, 18 boards for 23 points. We got pounded all game and didn’t box out for crap. Arizona had probably 10 possession with three or more chances to score and even those stats don’t fully reflect because we ended up fouling a lot after we have up the second offensive rebound. Terrible. But Wroten and Co also got their own share off offensive rebounds. Still, can’t do that against Josh Smith and UCLA
What was up with Wroten’s poor shooting night? What seemed off for him?
Part of the above, he missed a lot of tip-ins in the first half but started finishing better in the second. He was only like 3-11 in the first half.
How aggressive was Abdul Gaddy? How did it effect the Huskies’ offense?
Had his best game for a long time and got the line 6 times. 6 points in the first half then his defender would try to cheat toward the hoop on his drives and Gaddy would pull up looking to pass to the open shooter. He was very effective.
How clutch was Ross? Was this game even winnable without his outburst?
Ross was consistently dominant and wasn’t really “clutch.” He had 15 of his points in the first half and got into foul trouble in the second. That was when CJ took over and scored I think 8 straight points in like the 4 minutes Ross was out. Ross was fantastic, don’t get me wrong, but the game was winnable without him, I think because when Ross was taking over the first half, CJ didn’t take a single shot. CJ was 3-5 and 2-3 on threes, so I’m pretty sure he would have made up for Ross not having a 25 point game.
Skeptical Dawg, I disagree on CJ.
CJ simply can’t create for himself and create space. He is an EPIC shooter, one of the best in the nation, but he needs other players to set him up, and that’s why his points don’t replace Ross’ when Ross is out, but are ancillary to the Ross/Wroten points.
Yes, CJ scored 8 straight, but that was 2 threes (set up by others) and…IIRC, a foot on the line almost 3. He also missed a drive attack that should have been finished, and struggled a couple times while TRYING to set up his shot off the dribble. It simply isn’t the same team without Ross/Wroten breaking a defense down and drawing help, which opens up CJ.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 18, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
True
but AZ determined not to let CJ torch them also opened the game up more for Ross.
by Skeptical Dawg on Feb 18, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
AZ played great defense on CJ for most of the game.
They stuck a guy on him and didn’t let him get open for 3 point shots, it was a good job by them.
I agree.
They were sooo intent on not ever letting CJ even get his feet set that I think they didn’t have enough D left for Ross and Wroten. But that’s the point of having 3 scorers on the team. We really suffered when CJ was out.
Can you imagine having Suggs on this team like it was supposed to be? That’s FOUR pure scorers, 2 6’5" and 2 6’6". Sigh Against a smaller team like Arizona you could easliy have a line up of Wroten, Wilcox, Ross, Suggs, and Aziz. That is just SCARY.
If Wroten and Ross come back that would actually be possible. ….. oh to dream the impossible dream!
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Feb 18, 2012 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I don't think ANYONE has enough D for Ross and Wroten, regardless of what you do with Wilcox.
Remember, Wilcox only takes a single defender to stop— a defender who isn’t helping/playing helpside/jumping to ball…
But Ross and Wroten? Those are guys who are can break ANYONE in college hoops down off the dribble, and stopping them when they are adamant on drive/attacking is nearly impossible regardless of what you do defensively (aside from zoning, which totally opens up Wilcox and would give Gant more opportunities than does man-to-man, neutralizing the benefit of going zone in the first place.
I would HATE to scheme against us defensively. We’re just a pain in the ass to stop.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 18, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Not sture
CJ is totally healthy. He also was taking shots in the first half and didnt play a ton. The drive that did miss roll around the rim.
Being healthy doesn't account for loss of quicks/confidence/etc.
Gaddy’s a prime example. He’s completely healthy yet has never looked the same post ACL tear.
My bigger point on CJ though holds true— he’s limited as a scorer comparatively to Wroten and Ross because he simply doesn’t have that attack ability with the dribble. It isn’t a knock though, those two are as good as anyone in college hoops.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
as good as those two no
But he had improved before the injury
by CODawg on Feb 19, 2012 12:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
True, true.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yes. His problem is that he doesn't finish well, so even when he does get into the lane deep, he typically can't do anything with it once there.
I don’t know if that’s a product of the injury or not. I do know he needs to be able to get to the hoop and finish on occasion, and needs to improve his jumper/three for next year. He REALLY needs to be more of a scoring threat, even as a pass first point guard.
Right now, defenses almost neglect him in disrespect for his outside game.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, I meant to write Wilcox instead of Gaddy. Sorry about that.
But it is true of Gaddy as well, and I agree with everything you said.
I'll answer the Gaddy one.
He was up and down. At times making great passes and directing the offense and at other times taking incredibly stupid shots or pressing too much. He was blocked on a 3 point attempt on a shot that never should have been taken and bailed out by a soft foul on another shot which air-balled. It was nice to see him drive the lane with some determination and he had one lay-in where he just made the defender look silly. I think he did a lot better this game at avoiding getting into too much trouble on dribble drives. He also had two very stupid fouls where it looked like he just fell on his man. Don’t quote me on these but that’s my general assessment and I watched the entire game.
Wroten's jam is absolutely disgusting.
And even more awesome that it was right in Chol’s grill. Should have come to UW, big man!
Ben
if you missed the game, this is the highlight video to check out. Thanks skeptical dawg!
by datboyeddiep on Feb 19, 2012 4:02 AM PST up reply actions
Don't worry about Wroten's FG percentage. He attacked the hoop at will.
Most of the misses were missed layups, which he rebounded at put back in. Gaddy was very solid, no turnovers, and got Wilcox going in crunch time. Aziz was very effective and went coast to coast, which resulted in a Sean Miller T.
Exactly right on Wroten.
He is the best I’ve ever seen at following his own misses.
Speaking of the Miller T, why was he allowed to stand the rest of the game? Is that not an issue in the college game?
I know in HS, when I got a T, I was specifically told if I stood up outside of a timeout, my ass was getting number 2 and I’d be leaving the arena.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 18, 2012 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Head coach is allowed to stand in college basketball.
A T doesn’t change that.
Yeah, it's been such a long time since I've seen a coach get a T, I didn't realize.
Obviously makes sense. I would have thought they would have at least then restricted him to the coach’s box, but he was all over as if it never happened.
That’s a personal gripe. In HS you can get tech’d for leaving the box, college coaches are out on the floor about 50% of the time, and in the box itself about 15% of the time, max.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 18, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. They really only get T'd up for being out of the box when they run across the court to yell at refs.
Kind of like the third base coaches box, those guys are always like halfway down the line between third and home.
Wroten's FG % is very misleading given the fact he got so many tip ins on his own shot...
… it’s not like he was out there jacking up bad shots. He was attacking and he was very effective.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Make sure to look up Aziz's block and coast to coast dunk. Play of the year candidate.
We got owned on he offensive boards whenever Aziz went for the block which wasn’t good. Other than that a great all around game by all parties.
Sherrer even played great defense in his 2 starting minutes.
As someone stated above, Ross was consistently great, which was good to see.
First game I've seen live in a couple years...
Gaddy started very aggressive offensively, you could tell he had “something to prove” vs. Arizona. However, he stayed under control and played a typical smart game. He did look to score a little more than usual early, and that led to a higher point total than typical, but then he droughted for a very long time.
Ross played a fantastic game, and it is truly remarkable to see the ability he and Wroten have in getting to the hoop. Wroten’s problems are consistent— a lack of shooting ability and physicality, and a strong preference to always finish with the left hand. All in all, a typical up-and-down game displaying a ton of potential and the logic behind staying in school. I didn’t realize his shooting was that poor, given some of the flashy plays he made and the fact that he was able to get to the hoop, just not finishing as high a number as possible/expected.
Also, his defense is absolutely atrocious. Just terrible. Spun around the wrong way with no view of man or ball (or even BOTH!), puppy-dogging his man on cuts, slow to react to ball swings. It’s no wonder Romar is going to zone more and more— put Wroten up top and his strengths defensively are magnified (playing passing lanes, on ball defense with help behind him), and his weaknesses (lack of awareness, laziness, help side movement) are minimized.
The down side of that zone is it opened up a ton of three’s for Arizona’s shooters, and the first half they really took advantage of the opportunities.
CJ was silent for a long period, then BOOM, quick points in a hurry right when there was a lull and UofA was closing in. One dagger three was off a great unselfish give when he had a questionable shot, then Gaddy attacked, pulled CJ’s defender, and Gaddy made a fantastic pass right into the shooting pocket, and CJ hit nothing but the bottom of the net. It was a big basket at a critical time, AND happened after using almost the entire shot clock.
The crowd chanted “One More Year!” as Ross was on the FT line. I can’t help but to think how good they can be if everyone stays. He should be a player of the year candidate for the nation, and a stronger, smarter and better shooting Wroten could honestly challenge him. He is just amazing with the ball in his hands attacking. He was a BEAST this game, and his 3rd and 4th fouls were both questionable calls IIRC. His offense is spectacular though, and I can’t help but to think that with a little more seasoning, we’re looking at a future NBA All-Star. (He really needs to stay though… it would help SO MUCH long term in his career.)
Officials were terrible, as usual. No idea what they were doing. The block/charge/double foul was the weirdest call I think I’ve ever seen… I’d go into more detail, but why bother?
The rebounding factor was questionable, however a lot of that had to do with the aggressive physical play of Arizona and the 3 point shooters stretching the floor and keeping us from having more than 1 or 2 at most guys in the key to board. And the Arizona wings/guards are a lot like ours, when they attack, they follow their shots and try for put-backs. Picture other teams complaining about Wroten and Ross getting excessive rebounds on the offensive ends and you see the same thing here. It happens. Nothing to worry about.
We do need to remember that UofA is about the only team we’ll play in the regular season who routinely has a roster of players that are as athletic and talented as our own, if not moreso. It isn’t shocking that they can rebound well in a game that they, like UW, needed to win to secure Tourney status.. Also, Jesse Perry is a physical player who played very well and very smart around the basket.
All in all, I think this was a “winner in-loser out” game, barring a very early exit in the Pac10 tourney for us. However, I also think there is a chance for 3 from the Pac10 if Cal, UofA and UW are all in the semis or better and the right things happen in the rest of the nation.
I’m excited. No slip ups the rest of the way and a semi-final or better Pac10 Tourney, NO WAY this team isn’t in the tourney. Particularly if SD State and Saint Louis win their conference tourneys. What’s more, this is a very dangerous team that is looking like it is playing its best basketball at just the right time.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 18, 2012 5:45 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Is that a bad thing? I was answering the questions and giving a summary.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 18, 2012 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
I don't see why...
No rule against comment lengths. I think he was just making a statement but who knows.
No offense meant, sorry if it came off that way.
It was a good read. I was just pointing out that it was a huge comment, literally longer than most posts on the blog. Next time you have so many (good) thoughts you might throw it into a fan post so we can get some more discussion going on it. I almost feel intimidated to respond because there is just so much there.
Again, sorry if I came off as saying the length was a bad thing, it was a good post.
Hahah!
No worries. Reading my response, it sounded more terse than I meant as well. Funny how words come across online sometimes.
Yeah, I didn’t think it was quite enough for a full fanpost, but I guess it could have been. I was trying to keep everything in one place post-game.
Bottom line, GO DAWGS! :)
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 18, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you for pointing out Wroten's defense
Half of a player’s time on the court is spent on defense yet I feel like that gets lost in the shuffle when talking about Wroten because everyone’s attention is on his drives to the basket.
I guess it’s great that he follows his own misses but I think it’s more praise worthy to miss less shots from 1-2 feet out than to usually always miss and then put it back. It’s funny Nick Johnson said post game that he felt like Wroten was doing that on purpose to pad his stats! LOL
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Feb 18, 2012 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the two possessions in particular that I noticed him being tragically out of position in man-to-man...
they both came immediately after he scored. I said to my buddy, “he thinks just because he scored, he did his job, but he’s missing the other half of the equation.”
If you score 22, but you give a guy who normally gets 10 points an extra 10 points to 20 total, what have you really done?
I don’t think it’s not fixable…. most of his mistakes are that of youth and having so much talent he has never really had to work… and that’s exactly why staying would be tremendously beneficial. He needs to tighten his game, get bigger, stronger, smarter. The world truly is his oyster, and I really can’t remember seeing a 19/20 year old in person who was a better pure talent in my entire life.
Simply amazing. And to be honest, I scored 25 a game in high school and didn’t learn to play D until college… it happens that way. But… if he DOES learn to play D and take pride in it… look out. LOOK OUT.
Ross was similar last year, and now he’s a solid defender. That’s another reason to have hope.
Sorry if this is slightly meandering… I’ve been drinking, hahah!
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 18, 2012 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
Onalaska High School, then Lower Columbia.
Went to St. Martin’s on a quarter ride after, wasn’t happy. Transferred to CWU, ended up getting cut— injuries and my own lack of focus kind of killed my career.
But the day after they cut me, they called me up and said, “We put your name in for a middle school coaching job, it’s time you started your coaching career.” So I did… and continued to coach in college and while teaching for the next 7 years.
Now I went corporate, stopped teaching, and don’t coach anymore (outside my city league team, haha!)
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Wroten
The problem with his D is laziness. He is very quick and his height helps. The steal record is not a fluke. But he often jogs back on D and goes for steals he shouldnt. He could really benefit from another year.
I agree 100% on your last paragraph.
Agreed.
My only question with the laziness, is it a product of a lack of focus, comprehension, fatigue, maturity, or what?
I.e., what’s the key to breaking it down and eliminating this gap in his game…. I’m sure Romar is trying to unlock it, just like he did Ross, hahah!
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Love how Romar always gets his guys playing at their peak come tournament time.
If we win out, we should be a lock for a 10 or 11 seed I think.
I'm already feeling bad for the team we play in the first round.
We are going to be underseeded compared to how good we are if we make the tournament.
Only 5 turnovers on the Huskies!
When I heard that stat, I was reminded of concerns early in the year about the Huskies being sloppy and undisciplined. It appears that has been addressed.
Give up only 5 turnovers in a game and any team will win a whole lot of games.
Without being able to see the game, that stat was very impressive, and IMO, being under-appreciated.
Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
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Go Beavs!
great point Andy
This was by far their best game of the year. Better than Marquette and better than Duke. Frankly, Washington and Arizona might both be better than Marquette right now. Arizona will be dangerous in the tourney. I think it comes down to those two teams. They were very focused this game and played complete from beginning to end.
check out the ASU/WSU game
WSU is hinting at a huge choke
I saw (and loved) that at the game.
Glad to see Aziz is picking up where MBA left off with the guttural screams.
Not sure how that wasn’t a foul, too. Oh well.
by Skeptical Dawg on Feb 18, 2012 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
How the f*&# is that not a foul??
And somebody needs to make a gif of Aziz’s dunk. It was awesome (obviously) but he traveled TWICE on that play.
What does that say about Pac12 officiating when you take 2 of the biggest plays in a game and they are both EPIC officiating blunders?!
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Feb 18, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Traveled twice?
Maybe he traveled after picking up his dribble, but it was pretty close. Tossing the ball down the court to yourself and then immediately dribbling it isn’t traveling.
by UW11Bowdown on Feb 18, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
I thought he threw it forward, then grabbed it with two hands in order to dribble forward.
Doing that IS a travel, of course. But if he simply threw it forward then dribbled with one hand, it was not.
Regardless, it was AWKWARD as hell, and AWESOME!!!
The guys behind me were trying to come up with a nickname for him…
I suggested the “Senegalese Sentinel.” What do you think?
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 18, 2012 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
He didn't travel
He just threw it to himself while gaining control and then took two big strides to the hoop.
by bigtrain21 on Feb 18, 2012 11:44 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, he only dribbled with one hand and then took two ginormous steps to the hoop.
Did you guys notice he fakes the pass to Simmons as well? Freaking insane, what a great play by the big man.
by UW11Bowdown on Feb 18, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
It was play of the year!
I had to weigh it over Wrotten’s dunk in this game and Wrotten’s dunk against ASU, and Aziz wins it out. It was a very impressive play.
by datboyeddiep on Feb 19, 2012 4:05 AM PST up reply actions
Well, a forward bat (with intentional control) and then grab and dribble CAN be considered a travel.
But given the complete lack of travelling calls in college hoops these days, and abandonment of even basic footwork being focused on and called, I’ll let it go.
Tony Wroten’s lazy footwork drives me nuts, by the way. He’s one of the worst offenders around. Should get 10 travels a day with no pressure on him just with his lazy footwork…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
I agee
I am not in a spot where I can make one but I eventually will when I get a chance. That was a cool play.
by bigtrain21 on Feb 18, 2012 11:45 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
He only took two steps
Unless you cant the carry he had when he first picked up the ball, he never travelled
by datboyeddiep on Feb 19, 2012 4:04 AM PST up reply actions
LOL! I just noticed
look at Aziz’s reaction after that! WWE celebration dance!
by Skeptical Dawg on Feb 18, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
honestly, that was as good of a posterization that I've seen this year ...
… and TROSS has had a few good ones.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
If we were to tie Cal in Pac 12 record..
would Cal get the outright regular season championship because they beat us or would we be co-champs? not quite sure how that works.
by #Displacedtwinsfan on Feb 18, 2012 7:24 PM PST reply actions
You can't really tell if Wroten has a bad shooting night based on stats
He’ll drive and shoot at the rim, miss twice, and finally make the third, making him 1 for 3. Somehow he continues to get his own rebound but it adds to his misses. He had a much better game tonight and seemed focused throughout, as did the rest of the team. Overall, I was very pleased with their performance in probably the biggest game of the year so far!
"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis
By the way... I might have missed it, but I'm not positive.
Seemed like a HUGE WIN, with some crazy electric plays, in a BIG GAME.
But, in my two semi-focused viewings of sports center, i didn’t see it. Did we even make SportsCenter as a game, or is this more of that silly West Coast Bias nonsense?!?
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 18, 2012 11:46 PM PST reply actions
If you're not on ESPN you are rarely on sportscenter for college basketball these days.
That and the fact that the Pac-12 is terrible means we get no mentions, except for our top ten plays of course.
by UW11Bowdown on Feb 18, 2012 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, here's the thing-- the Pac12 is NOT horrible. ALL of college basketball is down.
But because everyone HEARD that the Pac10 is down EARLY, it led to continued belief that it is. And we didn’t do well as a conference early, when young teams are still developing.
But do you really think that Arizona would lose to Gonzaga today? That Saint Louis and SD State would play epic games to beat UW? And that both turn out to be very good teams? And what if, even ONE of the Marquette or Duke games fell differently. Then this conversation wouldn’t even be occurring. It’s all based on false perceptions.
There is NO WAY 7 Big 10/11 teams or 9 or 10 Big East teams deserve to get in ahead of 3 Pac10 schools. We’re not that bad, and we have some of the roughest toughest road trips in college hoops. Nobody in the Big East travels as far as the Pac12 does to go up to Colorado, AND THEN you get to play in Mile High Air?!? I lived in Denver for 4 years— that home field advantage based on elevation is LEGIT. And Oregon?!? They’ve created a home floor that SHOULDN’T EVEN BE LEGAL. WSU is a mediocre team, but give me ONE Big 10/11 school that is consistently mediocre that is as hard a place to play than in Pullman.
No, we’re not that bad. We’ve been pre-labeled early, and hopefully it doesn’t come back to bite us late…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 2:10 AM PST up reply actions
I have been saying this
Dont be surprised to see the PAC get 12. I also stated above that UW and Arizona or both better than Marquette this year. This is a week year for the PAC though.
CU – Exactly. I live in Denver and it is a big deal. In HS I lived at 4600 ft played competitive soccer (a ton of running) and when we would go to Aspen or Vail ant about 8000 ft we could hardly breath. I was in as good of shape as these guys are. When I moved to COlorado from the Tri-Cities when i was 14 I could run a mile in about 5:40. The first time I ran it here I nearly puked and barely finished.
Hah! So true!
Uhm… what did you mean by “Don’t be surprised to see the PAC get 12” though?!?
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
But do you really think that Arizona would lose to Gonzaga today? That Saint Louis and SD State would play epic games to beat UW? And that both turn out to be very good teams? And what if, even ONE of the Marquette or Duke games fell differently. Then this conversation wouldn’t even be occurring. It’s all based on false perceptions.
They can’t be false perceptions when they are the things that actually happened.
My point is that in the evolution of the season, teams develop identities that aren't absolutely connected to what happened in the past.
The committee has traditionally shown an attentive eye to teams getting better throughout the course of a year… I hope that is taken into account.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
The Pac 12 is a young league, but is it really that awful? Freshmen are going to play like freshmen early in the season. But this league usually turns to tournament form later in the season. College basketball shouldn’t be defined by “the body of work” like college football. In my opinion the early non league schedule is to prepare for conference play. You work out your rotation, you find out which guys can play (contribute) to what the team is attempting to achieve. And in many circumstances a coach doesn’t even have his starting five set in stone yet.
Too much emphasis goes into early non league play. Gonzaga and the other mid majors have to put emphasis on it because of their low profile leagues. The bold truth is, this Husky team is leap years better now then when it started the season. We have a tournament team right now. But to get there we have to continue to win because so much emphasis is put on early on league contests.
All I saw was purple
I agree with you that the top 3 can hang with anyone.
The rest of the Pac-12 is terrible.
The terrible list:
Utah
Washington State
USC
Oregon State
Note: Did Ucla’s close loss the St. John’s hurt or help the perception of the league?
All I saw was purple
Not at home, though...
that’s a HUGE factor. The geography and isolation of the Pacific 12 makes road trips REAL road trips. And some of the places—for example WSU in the “terrible” list Crazi included, are HORRIBLE places to play…
Making it through those locations mostly unscathed is a difficult proposition that isn’t taken into account as much as it should be.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Sports Center only shows Top 25 plays.
Wroten and Aziz got robbed though not getting into top plays. The 360 dunk they had at 4 was weak. But that’s what happens when you play in Washington without a number by your school.
by Hopefulmsfan on Feb 19, 2012 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
Looked like he was making a W when I saw the intro.
It could be both, making the L’s into a W.
by Hopefulmsfan on Feb 19, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
As you can see, no travel
but you could call him for a carry when he picks the ball up over the initial dribble but still, play of the year! This play made me go crazy and yell at my neighbors!
by datboyeddiep on Feb 19, 2012 4:07 AM PST up reply actions
I mean picks the ball up over the defender on the initial dribble
How in the hell did we not get two top 10 plays on ESPN? Oh that’s right, they are still hanging from Blake Griffen’s ball sack. Sorry I couldn’t help myself, it’s true!
by datboyeddiep on Feb 19, 2012 4:08 AM PST up reply actions
I couldn't wait to watch Sports Center figuring there was no way those two plays weren't in the Top 10.
Of course I wasn’t that shocked when I saw horse racing and Blake Griffin instead.
by Hopefulmsfan on Feb 19, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
No travel, no double dribble.
You are allowed to pick the ball up when you gain possession and then begin dribbling. He took exactly 2 steps to get to that dunk, a gigantic lead with his right followed by a short left that he jumped off of. He was picking up the ball when his right foot was on the ground making that his pivot foot.
I suppose...
but MAN, it’s just SO AWKWARD, shocked it didn’t get a travel because of that!!
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I'm going to try to answer some questions from my perspective
Let me know how you feel.
Rebounding, defensively we were not boxing out at all, allowing too many second chance points. This is a problem we have to fix going forward. Luckily, Arizona was not boxing out either, especially against our guards. Wrotten and Ross were dominant getting second chance points and were a key to victory.
Gaddy was sensational. I’ve seen some saying Gaddy took bad shots, I don’t agree at all. We know he isn’t our best shooter, but the shots he took were within the offense for him to take. His penetration was excellent, broke down AZ a lot during the game leading to passes to open Huskies or easy baskets for him. His passing was great as well, I think he made every shot from the ft line, and he had no turnovers. This is the Gaddy we need to win big games, I loved everything he did yesterday. His production fell in the second half a bit because he had 4 fouls early in the half and was less aggressive.
Ross. The game was not winnable without Ross cause he was the offense. We ran a lot of plays to T Ross and this was by design. Romar must have knew that Arizona had nobody who could guard Ross.He was also big on the offensive glass and his mid range game was beautiful! This was the happiest I’ve been in am while in our offensive game planning. My only complaint was we kinda went away from running plays through Ross for a portion of the second half, but once again foul trouble could have caused this cause he too had 4 fouls early in the half. I wouldn’t call Ross clutch at all, we were in control of this one throughout, even though it got close at times. But his performance was just what I expected from him all season, he was in control, got the shots he wanted, and dominated the game. His stamp was on this entire game!
Wrotten’s shooting % was not telling of what was going on. This is why I’m not a stats guy. He destroyed AZ with penetration just like Gaddy and Ross. He missed a lot of easy inside baskets in the first half, well I say easy but they were in traffic, and in the second, these shots fell. All of his shots were inside, great looks, and he was doing this himself with dribble penetration. His dunk was a candidate for play of the game, it was amazing. he was great on the offensive glass, had some good passes, and I thought he didn’t try to do to much, he did just the right amount.
My thoughts on this game were, we sure look good against man to man defense. I really want to see this type of Husky team when we play zone defenses. The ball movement was crisp, everyone was moving, we were getting dribble penetration by all of our guards breaking down the defense. This is the type of Husky team I love watching. If we can shoot ft’s this good, continue to dominate the offensive boards, and actually box out on the defensive end, we could have a late season run in us, but I want to see us play a zone defense and have similar results. I only remember one time where we slipped back to passing back and forth on the perimeter and not doing anything except dwindling down the shot clock! It was a good game to watch. When Ross went out with foul trouble, CJ got it going, his stroke is pure butter. That net barely moves. I also want to say our defense was excellent. This 2-3 zone we were running was good. We allowed some open threes but beyond that, the D was good. Wrotten and Ross were all over the place on defense. We were being aggressive jumping the passing lanes which I think allowed open looks but led to turnovers and points off turnovers. My opinion hasn’t changed about this team, I think we can win the Pac regular season and tourney, but unless we prove we can score against a zone d, I still feel we are a round 2, at best sweet sixteen team, depending on what matchup we get in the NCAA’s. But this game was great to watch if you are a Dawg, Go Huskies!
Play of the game, Aziz, you can see the gif yourself! He didn’t travel but may have gotten away with a carry.
Player of the game T Ross. This isn’t even debatable!
by datboyeddiep on Feb 19, 2012 4:32 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm also extremely happy
we were in control at the end so Gant could get a proper ovation from the crowd. It was a beautiful game. I wish Gant had a better game, but he at least got on the board.
All class by Romar to re-insert Sheerer and take him out at the end so he could get his farewell too.
Romar may not be in the elite coaches category but there’s nobody else I want running this program right now.
by Hopefulmsfan on Feb 19, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing missing from his resume:
Is a national championship. Lute was in the same boat for many years until he got that NCAA tournament championship. In my opinion in the last 20 years of the league their Lute and then their is Romar. If he stays on long enough he’ll eventually get one. Washington is becoming a destination school in roundball. The talent will continue to come as long as the program is operated with class and has the aptitude for winning games.
All I saw was purple
At this point
I want to get past the sweet 16. The 2005 team was well on its way with a good chance to make the finally four until M!&# J#$en
Great win and everyone contributed
I think the real test to see if we are tournament savvy and ready is in Pullman next Saturday. It will be senior night for WSU and the Cougs will bring their A game. Can we toss away WSU and get out of town with another strong performance and a victory? In my opinion, the WSU game will be a true indicator as to how we could potentially finish off the regular season.
All I saw was purple
All we need to do is put in Sherrer.
Guaranteed wins rest of the way!
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
We will need to body up to Motum and force him to shoot over us rather then giving him a lane in the paint. Furthermore we have to extend our defense on the perimeter and force WSU guards to drive. We have the athletism to shut down lanes. Force bad shot after bad shot and put the pedal to the medal. WOOF!
All I saw was purple
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