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Expectations for the 2012 Husky Defense

A month ago, we were still debating what the problem was with our Husky defense. Was it a lack of experienced players? Was it coaching? Were we getting enough top level recruits for the defense? It was left to Baylor to quickly settle the debate, they made it known that everyone of us were right! The answer became blatantly obvious: All of the above.

In the last month Coach Sark has completely remodeled the defensive side of his coaching staff. The way he did it reminds me of the Husky Stadium remodel, completely tear down any structure that is old and replace it with the latest and greatest. After Demetrice Martin left of his own accord (smart move), Sark completely gutted the defensive staff. Holt, Cox, and Mills were fired, while Nansen was reassigned to other duties. After the complete demolition of the coaching staff, Sark made waves throughout the college football world by hiring one of the top groups of assistant coaches in the nation.

Without saying a word, Sark told us that coaching was a big problem with our defense. The subsequent hires also told us that Sark thought that recruiting was also a problem. The addition of Wilcox, Sirmon, Heyward and Lupoi will be a big boost to recruiting for the entire team, but especially the defense.

Now that we have figured out what all the variables will be, what are your expectations for the 2012 Husky defense? Before we can attempt to predict the future, we must take a look at the past.

Star-divide

The 2011 defense was flat out terrible. We were 106th in the nation in Total Defense (453 yards per game), 108th in the nation in Points Per game (36 points per game), 116th in the nation in Passing Defense (285 yards per game), 76th in the nation in Rushing Defense (169 yards per game), and 108th in the nation in 3rd Down Defense (49% conversion rate).

The next step in predicting the future is evaluating the talent we have on hand. Unfortunately we lose some of our best players, the good news is that there weren't many senior and they were spread throughout the different position groups. We lose Ta'amu and Thompson from the defensive line, Dennison from the linebackers, and Richardson from the defensive backs.

Losing Ta'amu is a big blow to the defensive line, but we do have a lot of players returning. The big question is can the new coaches get more out of some of the players who are in danger of being passed over for younger players. It would really help if we could get more production out of Tokalahi, Potaoe, and Crichton, and give some of the younger guys more time to learn the system and put on more muscle.

The linebacker position is also going to take a big blow with the loss of Dennison. There is a lot of young talent coming up, but most all of them are quite young. I'm hoping Thomas Tutogi will have a breakout season and add some age to the group.

The defensive backs should be a bright spot for the defense. The only player we lose (Richardson), had basically been passed over by Greg Ducre. We return just about every player, most of which were young and should be able to make good progress this season.

I honestly think our defense has a ton of potential, but we all know that potential doesn't mean anything if you don't perform. The biggest question is how quickly can our new defensive coaching staff get the players to buy in and perform as a unit. There will definitely be growing pains, we still don't have elite talent, but I think we have plenty of talent to be successful.

The question remains, what should we expect out of our defense this year? As many of you know, I've been preaching steady improvement. My biggest complaint with the defense the past two years was the lack of improvement. I don't expect us to suddenly be a top 25 defense, but I do expect improvement. For the 2012 season (and any other season), any ranking over 100th is not acceptable. We simply have too much talent and a good enough offense, that we should never be that bad. I'd be more than satisfied if most of our defensive stats were in the 75th-80th range. If I were a coach setting a goal for the defense, I'd aim for the top half of the rankings. In other words, I'd be thrilled if we could be ranked 60th or best in most stats.

Now for the fun part, what are your expectations for the Husky defense in 2012?

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Where does the Husky defense need to be ranked in 2012 to meet your expectations?
1st - 20th
28 votes
21st - 40th
163 votes
41st - 60th
336 votes
61st - 80th
171 votes
81st - 100th
24 votes
101st - 120th
42 votes

764 votes | Poll has closed

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More than stats

to me I want to see some stops – more three and outs – slobber knocking hits – better tackling – a defense that can win a game for us against a quality opponent – a defense that plays with a swagger an attitude and swarms to the ball.

A 60th ranking would probably not “thrill” me but it would be a start. A lot would depend on how they finish the year – if they improve to the kind of defense that I would like to see. I want to see improvement from game 1 to game 13 (bowl game). And yes I do expect us to be in a bowl game and be competitive.

by lorenzothedog on Jan 29, 2012 4:32 AM PST reply actions  

Couldn't agree more.

I really want to see a defense that will get OFF THE FIELD!!! That’s where that 3rd down stat comes in, 49% is pretty bad, especially considering how many times other teams converted on 3rd and 10+ yards.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 29, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

that's been hugely frustrating for way too many years now

One of the issues we’ve had with crowd noise at home games is the defense lets us down so many times on 3rd downs. Especially the long ones – downs where the defense should have the advantage, and the crowd is going nuts, and they find a way to give up a big play. Really has had a numbing effect on the home crowd.

by kirkd on Jan 29, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The actually did a fair job of forcing 3rd downs, which makes that all the more disappointing.

Just couldn’t get that one stop when it mattered.

Considering that the Dawgs don’t play at a particularly fast tempo, and that they run the ball a lot (both of which should limit the number of plays in a game), the D sure was on the field for a lot of plays. If they can manage to get the yards per play down to around 5.75, and 3rd down conversion defense to the NCAA average, they’d rank around 50th in total D.

by Sundodger on Jan 30, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, that's the frustrating thing

Our defense did force a lot of 3rd downs, which gave us fans hope. Then they’d break our hearts by letting the opponent convert.

by kirkd on Jan 30, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Good write up Lear

You the man for calling the defense.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jan 29, 2012 6:31 AM PST reply actions  

I don't think we will have a problem winning 8 games or more...

if we can get our defense in the top 60. That of course also depends on our kicking game being at least average (with a freshman punter and JC transfer kicker).

If nothing else, it will be a good year to see if the new staff can put it all together! Thanks for the writeup and good poll question Lear!

"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis

by Carne Guisada on Jan 29, 2012 8:55 AM PST reply actions  

What were the top 3 Pac 12 teams defenses ranked nationally this season I wonder?

I would guess this group of Dawgs can make a realistic goal of making a huge jump towards “good” if team chemistry,and coaching all blend into a single cohesive unit…regardless of “talent”. I put my vote on the high side of “average” because I think you have to set the goal higher if you are to instill the proper attitude and turn things around within the culture of the D. The talent is there…just a bit “raw” so coaching will be at a premium this spring-fall!

by gliderdawg on Jan 29, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Rankings:

By ypg (Tenn was #28 with Wilcox)-

  1. Stanford
  2. Cal
  3. Utah

By ppg (Tenn was #35 with Wilcox)-

  1. Utah
  2. Stanford
  3. USC

Didn’t realize Utah was that good on D, and funny to see Cal so good on ypg and so poor on ppg (down at #52) – must have given opponents a lot of short fields

by zifnab32 on Jan 29, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

autoformating *shakes fist*

ypg – Stanford #25, Cal #26, Utah #29

ppg – Utah #18, Stanford #23, USC #47

by zifnab32 on Jan 29, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

It needs a face

Our defense didn’t do one particular thing well last season. That’s where it starts. What are you best at? And if you are best at something, you can then focus on bringing other phases of defense up a notch. I think their is good talent on the defensive side of the ball. One thing I would like to see is our kids become tough as nails. When coaches gameplan, they don’t expect to take everything away- it’s impossible. But when game planning you find something that you can exploit, take away, and burry it. No more mental lapses, self guessing, and no excuses. Husky fans want a defense that plays a big role in who wins ball games.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jan 29, 2012 10:06 AM PST reply actions  

It will be interesting to see

how switching to more of a 3-4 defense effects us. We’ve had undersized DE’s for the past couple years. Obviously our young DE’s will be trying to gain some muscle in the weight room in the off-season, and that’s where it starts.

"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis

by Carne Guisada on Jan 29, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

It's like being naked in public

I get what you are saying that everything begins in the weight room- very true. All the preparation starts there. I was referring to after all the offseason stuff is established. Believing in something is power. I believe the main reason Holt lost his job was that he tried to rebuild the defense all at the same time. To me and from my experience that is a recipe for failing. Holt and the defensive staff stretched our defense out way too much. Did he give our kids too many things to think about? The writing is on the wall because we weren’t good at anything on defense. What analogy best describes our defensive effort last season? We weren’t equipped to handle anything last season and to a point it was like being naked in public. We have talented kids on defense, they just didn’t respond to the coaching points of Holt, the kids didn’t trust themelves in critical situations, and were caught second guessed it all season long.

I want Wilcox and the new defensive staff to offer the defense a face. Find something that we can be good at. A little success in one area of defense can be contagious. A good example of that is the performance of ASJ on the Husky basketball team. His desire to be an aggressive defensive specialist on the hard floor has the entire Husky basketball team coming with a better team defensive effort each night. We need to find something we are good at and then cultivate it so that the success is contagious in other areas on the defensive side of the ball.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jan 29, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Exellent Analogy! ASJ is a great example..."intangibles"!

The “numbers” will work out if the “little things” are being improved to the point where an offense can’t just push their buttons and get success. Dictate and force stuff on them while cleaning up the fundamentals that so often killed on big plays that never should’ve been…no more “naked” D!

by gliderdawg on Jan 29, 2012 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

A mid level defense (60) on opening day

A good Pac12 team should be there, at least. I mean, there’s a lot of mid majors and bad teams. Like Lear, I want to see improvement from opening day to the bowl game. The Holiday Bowl got us jacked up for the next year. Then we excused the D because we were playing pass happy teams. Then the running teams ran it down our throat.

Bottom line, open as a mid level D, and then improve. At the end of the season I hope we are complaining that out early games are holding down the numbers from our season ending D.

by dawgdude on Jan 29, 2012 10:08 AM PST reply actions  

I'm taking a wait-and-see approach with the defense.

I do not think it makes sense to have any expectations at this point. Ask me in August.

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 29, 2012 10:17 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

agreed

I want to see who we sign on Wednesday, and then take some time to really analyze who we lost, who we have coming back and get a better sense of where we are.

And obviously after Spring practices we’ll have an even better idea.

by kirkd on Jan 29, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Not a whole lot is going to change between now and August.

Having more information always helps, I’m sure my expectations will see some minor changes, but I doubt much will change between now and then.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 29, 2012 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

not sure I agree

We’ll know quite a bit more in August – we’ll have had Spring practices to judge what changes Wilcox is considering to our defense and where guys will play, as well as seeing what the pecking order will be at those positions at the end of Spring practices. As well, there is the danger of injuries that could happen then that might affect the 2012 season, as well as progress reports on those who are currently injured and rehabbing.

by kirkd on Jan 29, 2012 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

We will definitely have more information . . .

I think my problem is that I’m a wait and see type of person. I just can’t get my hopes any higher than they currently are until I actually see the defense play in September.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 29, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

sure, I get that

With the amount of change on the staff though, this Spring will be as important as any since Sark first took over. We’ll get our first look at how much Wilcox wants to use a 3 man front and which guys might get shuffled around.

Plus, you never know if an instant impact kind of player might sign Wednesday cough Shaq Thompson, I’m looking at you cough

by kirkd on Jan 29, 2012 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't argue that.

I can’t wait to see what changes spring practice brings. We will be faced with the eternal question, is the offense that good, or the defense that bad (or vice versa).

I’m too familiar (read as – I don’t trust what I hear) with the preseason hype train to let it affect my expectations for the season. I’m definitely not saying my expectations won’t change, I just don’t see them changing much until we see a football game or two.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 29, 2012 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

With our offense ... anything average will be a leg up

If our defense would’ve been at least average, how many more games do we have won last season? With an average defense I think we beat Oregon state and Baylor, totalling a 9 win season. My point is we won 7 games with the worst statistical defense in the history of the program. What does that say about the offense? Arik, Shaq, Beaver if you are out there, your commitment would push this defense back to the upper level that Husky fans have grown accustom to over the last century.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jan 29, 2012 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

Is there any way that Armstead

Projects to DE in college? even in a 3-4? Isn’t he like 320 pounds already? I mean, the Seahawks are proving that a 320 pound DE is possible, but it seems like in college, he is destined to be a DT.

by jacobcda on Jan 29, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

He has said he wants to play D End

And if he wants to play basketball, D End would be a better fit for him. At OT, he might get too heavy to play roundball.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jan 29, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

you're right...

I just check scout profile as well, and he is only 275 pounds. I could have sworn he was over 3 bills. I could definitely see this kid playing DE in a 3-4. absolutely.

by jacobcda on Jan 29, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

You're probably thinking of Banner

Both listed as OTs … both covet the idea of going all ASJ on the hard floor.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jan 29, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

It would be nice to have two more ASJ's

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by cdlewey on Jan 29, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Armstead IS going to play bball, too (according to him)

Let’s all try to get our facts straight before correcting others

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Jan 29, 2012 1:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry if I misinterpreted and failed to take my own advice

… I perceived your reference to Banner as a correction to the point that Armstead wanted to play bball

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Jan 29, 2012 1:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

3-4 Base coming

Will require bigger players on the edge. Getting a kid like Arik Armstead out there would be ideal. I see Shriley playing more at 2nd level. Does Hudson play on the edge in the 3-4? He has put on some good football weight and has filled out nicely for an under classmen. I’m not sure he’s big enough to handle the edge in a 3-4 base scheme. I am visualizing Jamora on one side and Armstead on the other side, with Danny anchoring.

We do have kids that fit a 3-4, I’m just wondering where tweeners like Shirley and Hudson play in that scheme.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jan 29, 2012 10:25 AM PST reply actions  

I think Shirley NEEDS...

to learn to play standing up. There is no NFL future for 230 pound DE, in fact, a 230 pound LB is even a bit on the small side for some NFL teams. This kid is a ferocious pass rusher, he needs to learn to play OLB in a 3-4, or even become a LEO in a 4-3 over defense like the Seahawks run. either way, he’s gonna have to learn to get going without his hand on the ground.

If he can learn some coverage (he should, he’s got the speed) this guy could be all PAC-12 LB.

by jacobcda on Jan 29, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, you are right...

I have a feeling there will be quite a few position changes after Wilcox and Co. see what everyone’s strengths and weaknesses.

"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis

by Carne Guisada on Jan 29, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't wait for spring practice . . .

Especially to see which players get moved around.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 29, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

For future reference:

When posting a poll let’s leave the extremes out of it. The above poll indicates that 7 voters voted for a Husky defense to be ranked 101st to 120th. This has troll written all over it. Don’t give duck or coug fans the opportunity to troll.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jan 29, 2012 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

I think Cougs and Ducks are going to vote for the worst outcome possible, even if you leave out the extremes.

So if you remove the 101-120 option, you’d just have it at 14 votes for 80-100, and you’d have no idea how many of those 14 were trolling. At least this way, it’s easy to sort out the trolls.

by Mind of no mind on Jan 29, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point

Just exclude the worst case scenario option of the poll.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jan 29, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

???

This bothers you?

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Jan 29, 2012 1:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

One thing is sure

…if Arik chooses Oregon, Cal fans will still blame Sark

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Jan 29, 2012 1:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

My Opinion:

I think Oregon is out of the race. The trend these days is to make is a splashy announcement. A 3pm announcement contradicts a 3:30pm Oregon tipoff. I think it’s between Cal and Washigton.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jan 29, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks Crazi

as soon as you posted Oregon was “out of the race” – I knew his choice had to be Oregon what else. I hope you have UW “out of the race” for Banner – Shaq – and the other recruits we still have left on our board.

by lorenzothedog on Jan 29, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 29, 2012 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone follow the Arik Armstead selection thing?

A video montage to introduce him? I will be happy as hell if he picks us but that seems a little over the top.

by kschimke on Jan 29, 2012 3:11 PM PST reply actions  

see below

mention nike connections.

hmmmm.

read a bucket full of air jordans and a new church of nike in his hometown

by PandG on Jan 29, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I want out of our Nike contract

Ready for our brand to be Under Armor, like a lot of other programs are heading towards.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Jan 29, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Uncle Phil is a nice aid for Quack Kingdom, while he lasts.

Oregon fans should start looking in the mirror and wondering who is going to step up when he passes. And I’m not wishing him ill will at all, it’s just that everyone has a limited time here.

Ducks won’t want to hear it, but one of the great strengths of UW as a program is a large and loyal fa base, especially amumni, that support the program over time come h*ll or high water.

by HuskyInExile on Jan 29, 2012 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

It sounded as if Shaq and Arik had different schools in mind when they met. Hopefully Shaq is thinking UW and didn’t change his mind.

"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis

by Carne Guisada on Jan 29, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

not necessarily

There’s been some indications in the last 24 hours that Armstead & Shaq have come to different decisions, per the Sacramento Bee reporter that has been close to both families and the first point of contact for recruiting info for both.

That Shaq decided to come up here this weekend on an unofficial (after already officially visiting us in September) bodes well IMO.

I’m holding out some hope we beat out Cal for Shaq.

by kirkd on Jan 29, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe not...

…but some definite hints from Joe Davidson that Shaq is going to go a different direction than Armstead. Doesn’t mean Shaq has picked between Cal & UW yet, but reading between the lines it sounds like Oregon probably isn’t in it any more.

by kirkd on Jan 29, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

no he's not...

… c’mon crazi. Where do you get this stuff? put the keyboard down before you hurt yourself.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Jan 29, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

UW is very much in it for Shaq

Never was much of a factor for Armstead

by ppilot on Jan 29, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

The deal on Armstead

He is a five star…his bro is a five star…I didn’t see much production out of him in his career.

UW Dawg Pound - SBN Seattle

by John Berkowitz on Jan 29, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Crazi keep guessing him off our board

then maybe we will have a chance at his commitment – ditto with Banner and our other recruits.

by lorenzothedog on Jan 29, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...and "recruit"

the recruiting czar “Ruth The Crazy”…we’ll take all the help we can get…

by gliderdawg on Jan 29, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

You just put a Crazi thought in my head . . .

is there any chance that Crazidawg = Ruth???

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 29, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I liked it better when it was Cal

I guess Tosh can come and go, but Nike is forever.

by dawgdude on Jan 29, 2012 3:45 PM PST reply actions  

Per Greg Biggins
For those asking if Shaq Thomson was at the Armstead presser, he’s on an unofficial visit to #Washington right now"

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 29, 2012 4:15 PM PST reply actions  

Shaquille at UW for second time

That can’t be bad thing.

UW Dawg Pound - SBN Seattle

by John Berkowitz on Jan 29, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I do find it very interesting

He cancelled his UCLA OV but decided to take a UV here, on the last weekend. So I have to ask, how did he have a meeting with the Armstead family yesterday? Did he just fly in last night, or has he been here since Friday I wonder/

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 29, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

let's keep this thread on track

There are other posts specifically about recruiting – let’s try to keep this one on topic.

by kirkd on Jan 29, 2012 4:33 PM PST reply actions  

define on track?

…cuz I’m not sure anyone is really ready to start talking about expectations for our D in 2012.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Jan 29, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

well...

…we now know one guy that won’t be helping us on D next year I suppose.

by kirkd on Jan 29, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Oregon

Bums me out…but I hear his dad felt UW was negative recruiting.

UW Dawg Pound - SBN Seattle

by John Berkowitz on Jan 29, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, seems like that was a big hint when Guss mentioned that a couple days ago

Here’s the thing though – what “negative recruiting” is to one person is just comparing schools to another. We have no idea what exactly Sark said that the family took as negative. Maybe Sark (and Kiffin and Tedford) mentioned the NCAA investigation of Oregon?

Thing about Oregon is they’ve earned the recruiting attention they’re getting with the success they’ve had. Time for us to start beating them on the field.

by kirkd on Jan 29, 2012 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

We came into the fold extremely late on Arik. Maybe the coaches felt a few jabs were the only chance we had to close the gap? Just speculating of course.

by SeaHuskies on Jan 30, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

we were always trying with Armstead

He was an early, early commit to USC, but the UW was always in the fringes of the picture because of the relationship Sark had built with the family from when Armond was recruited to USC. We didn’t come from out of nowhere, but obviously we weren’t in his original top five since we didn’t get an official visit.

by kirkd on Jan 30, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

doesn't really matter ...

… we were too late in the game with him.

Cal fans will blame us, nonetheless.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Jan 29, 2012 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Gecko

I am in Playa with an I Pad …can you put together a quick recruiting thread?

UW Dawg Pound - SBN Seattle

by John Berkowitz on Jan 29, 2012 4:41 PM PST reply actions  

or...

…you could front page my FanPost about Shaq visiting unofficially this weekend.

by kirkd on Jan 29, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Or...

…I could just grant you long overdue editorial powers like. I just did!

UW Dawg Pound - SBN Seattle

by John Berkowitz on Jan 29, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks John

I’ll try not to abuse them…

by kirkd on Jan 29, 2012 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Where is the fun in that??

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 29, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe . . .

Mark Emmertt will be the guy leading the invasion of all things Oregon.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 30, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I love the dramatic irony of that!

Former UW pres goes duck-hunting at the UnNikeville, with sanctions in hand? Insert funny headlines

by CanisInvictus on Jan 30, 2012 11:58 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Meant University of Nikeville*

Just to clarify my pre-typo intentions!

by CanisInvictus on Jan 30, 2012 11:59 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

we'll see

I’ve been somewhat disappointed so far with Emmert’s tenure as NCAA President. Still too little transparency in their decisions, too much seeming inconsistency.

by kirkd on Jan 30, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Honestly, I hope the inconsistency continues until the Oregon case is closed. I hope the NCAA makes an example out of Kelly and the Ducks. Cheating won’t be allowed, especially if you try and cover it up.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 30, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Back on track

My feelings on the defense… can’t be any worse, right? I would like to think not. Then i think about the LB’s, ugh. Then i think about the D-line, hopefull. I’m like most and will wait until I see some spring stuff to make any judgement. If I see the D able to slow down out O I will be a little excited. One thing for sure, I will not get my hopes up based on what’s said about them. I will judge with my eyes only.

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 29, 2012 4:50 PM PST reply actions  

Always better to trust your own noggin in these matters...and just think about this:

If last years Dawg Defense was just “bad”…they’d have been able to beat Oregon St. and Baylor (possibly Nebraska too) So, I’m thinking that Coaches Wilcox,Sirmon,Lupoi and Co. should at the very least coach up and prepare these guys to play somewhere between “bad” and “good”…which isn’t “bad”! Add the excitement factor of a new improved staff of energetic,talented coaches,and new improved (healed) roster (Jamora,Potoae,Sample,Cooper,Tanigawa etc) and I think we can realistically hope for truely tangible improvement on this team…Remember how close we came to beating LSU in Sarks first year? I’m thinking the same kind of start with better offensive output? “Expect To Win”? Or..Too much Kool-aid?

by gliderdawg on Jan 29, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's get back to glass half full.

Wilcox & Sirmon did a lot for TN with very young LB’s.

by HuskyInExile on Jan 29, 2012 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Commit out of the past

Chris Young committed today to ASU per DevilsDigest. We could use a Chris Young on D – oh well – Chris would rather have all those PE credits.

by lorenzothedog on Jan 29, 2012 4:54 PM PST reply actions  

From what I understand

His academics are still a problem to get him in here.

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 29, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

Word is he didn’t take the classes at his JC that he needed to in order to get admitted to the UW. Unfortunately for the Dawgs, the UW doesn’t have a PE program, which means a number of credits that many of these JC players earn to get their AA don’t transfer over to the UW and they don’t have enough transferable credits to be admitted.

Young was always regarded as a guy that didn’t take his academics seriously, so it’s no surprise if he took the easiest path to get his AA and in the process eliminated the UW as a possible destination.

by kirkd on Jan 29, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll take a few plan B guys . . . .

Banner, Brostek, Beaver . . . .

Nobody ever said you must have a plan A.

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 29, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be exstatic if we had a 60-70th defense

anything better would be great, but unreasonable to expect. Even with an average defense, we could do some real damage with our offense.

by Skeptical Dawg on Jan 29, 2012 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Exactly.

We have a very good offense that does a good job of controlling the clock. An average defense could really make a big difference for the Dawgs.

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 29, 2012 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been meaning to tell you...

that Jim Lambright is working for Turner Construction and was seen on the job couple weeks ago. My husband said, “Hi Coach”. Cool, huh?

by FanofthePolkamotive on Jan 29, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Way cool! Did a LOT for the program. Would like to see him on the sidelines

Would like to see the DawgFather in the coaches booth upstairs . . . as a guest of course . . .

by HuskyInExile on Jan 29, 2012 9:31 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Whatever it takes to help these kids be at the top of their game. I’m excited about Wilcox though. My expectations for 2012 went up a lot in the past month.

by FanofthePolkamotive on Jan 29, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Wilcox could be a coup. Share your hopes.

by HuskyInExile on Jan 29, 2012 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

(did you see how I brought an off-topic comment back?) hehehe

by FanofthePolkamotive on Jan 29, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the analysis Lear!

While we can hope or wish to be a top defense in the PAC or the nation next year, it’s not really a reasonable expectation to place on a new coaching staff or on a team that may have to “unlearn” some bad habits.

On the other hand, it is a totally reasonable expectation that we see significant improvement over last year simply because it was obvious that the system employed was not getting the most out of the talent we had on the field.

I will never be anything less than optomistic when it comes to believing that our players are capable of being great, both individually and as a team. So while it may not be entirely fair, I do place the responsibility of maximizing that talent wholly on the coaches. Great coaches do more with less and we might never be a recruiting powerhouse. Give me Cal’s last few recruiting classes and my expectations would have been higher. Sark not only had to overcome the Willingham legacy in terms of recruiting, but our out-of-sync defenses too. A prospect pays attention to that. That’s why I wasn’t very heartbroken over the loss of Demetrius Martin.

So I’m not really sure what a reasonable expectation is for next season. The nationwide rankings don’t really take into account the caliber of our oponents. Does anybody really think that the offenses in the Big East or ACC are as good as the PAC opponents we have to play? We may have been ranked 106th last year, but something like 98 of the “better” teams didn’t have to play both Oregon and Stanford.

For the 2012 season (and any other season), any ranking over 100th is not acceptable. We simply have too much talent and a good enough offense, that we should never be that bad. I’d be more than satisfied if most of our defensive stats were in the 75th-80th range. If I were a coach setting a goal for the defense, I’d aim for the top half of the rankings. In other words, I’d be thrilled if we could be ranked 60th or best in most stats.

I agree completely with the above analysis, but won’t care a hoot about the ranking of the defense or the offense if we finish in the top 10 or win a BCS bowl (add a serious run at the Heismann for KP to my wish list too). :)

by FanofthePolkamotive on Jan 29, 2012 8:41 PM PST reply actions  

Couldn't agree more.

Rankings are imperfect and don’t tell the whole story. Look at Oklahoma State, their defense was ranked up in the 100’s, yet they were one of the top teams in the nation.

Just give me a defense that makes tackles and gets off the field on 3rd downs!

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 29, 2012 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Just give me a defense that makes tackles and gets off the field on 3rd downs!

Let’s break the noise record at the Clink and show those Seahawk fans who’s boss!

by FanofthePolkamotive on Jan 29, 2012 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I think our Defense is really going to come down to LB play

I think our DL struggled to get a pass rush but what really killed us was horrible LB play. The UW that played in the Holiday bowl had a NFL LB in Mason Foster and a scrappy JR LB in Cort Dennison and a up and coming LB convert in Aiyewa. The same Nebraska team that torched us early in the season suddenly didn’t find those gaping holes available.

This year we were without Foster and Aiyewa and it showed. Timu and Fui simply didn’t play up to the level of the outgoing LB and thusly we were crushed.

I believe we can be a Top 80 defense but it’s going to take a couple of surprises at LB. I’m going to be looking at how well Kearse and Gilliland improve as well as new guys in Waller, Lawyer and Lyons. We need 8 solid LB that can sub in and not screw up.

I think with Shelton and Tokalahi (at 100%) and the return of Jamora our DL should be decent when the added depth kicks in.

With the defensive changes…Sark is all in at the craps table. We’ve got RS players that now need to prove they are ready to see the field.

by murchy on Jan 29, 2012 9:43 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah Mason Foster was a one-man defense

He finished second on the team in tackles at Tampa Bay with 84, just behind the leader at 92…as a rookie. The guy is a stud on the NFL level, it is zero surprise we dropped off at the LB position when he left.

by Skeptical Dawg on Jan 29, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I was gonna say that!

Foster had more intangibles than many realized too. A real leader. The level of responsibility he was awarded as a rookie attests to that.

by FanofthePolkamotive on Jan 29, 2012 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

No doubt

It’s beginning to look like we “should” run a 3-4 defensive alignment based on current personnel.

We’ve got more tweener kids that are really LB sized. So i’m thinking that run a lot more 3-4 and then switch to 4-3 when necessary.

Something like

DE – Potoa’e – Tupou
DT- Shelton – Tokalahi – Laga
DE – Jamora – Hudson – Banks

That puts 300+ pounders at Nose and 280lbs at the ends

Then our Linebacker corps look something like

OLB – Fuimaono – Waller – Lyons
ILB – Tutogi -Pelluer -Rodgers
ILB – Kearse – Gilliland -McDaniels
OLB – Shirley – Timu – Lawyer

CB – Trufant – Gobern
CB – Peters – Ducre

SS – Parker,
FS – Felder

I still think we play some 4-3 but our DE are pretty undersized to be running 4-3 a majority of the time.

by murchy on Jan 29, 2012 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Problem with that:

DE’s are supposed to be bigger in a 3-4 front than they are in a 4-3.

by huskies2010 on Jan 30, 2012 6:47 AM PST up reply actions  

280's fine.

Jamora/Hudson aren’t 280, though. Even 250 might be a little generous for Jamora.

by huskies2010 on Jan 30, 2012 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Potoa'e is 280'ish

Jamora is around 250, if not more, so it’s not that generous. He might line up at 3-4 DE in obvious passing downs, but I think it’s more like that Tokolahi also lines up at DE on some downs.

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 30, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

We're still going to run 4-3 but I think we need a solid

3-4 scheme with bigger guys like Potoa’e and Tupou at the ends and Shelton and Tokalahai in the middle.

Then we can get guys like Waller, Tutogi, Shirley and more coming from both sides of the field.

by murchy on Jan 30, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

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