Another quick update
by John Berkowitz on Jan 26, 2012 8:05 AM PST
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PrintThe weather is great wish you were here...with that out of the way here is a quick update. All you guys are probably aware of this but Bellevue's Jake Eldenkramp has committed to go to Washington. He becomes the 20th known commit in the class.
Bellarmine's Michael Rector may be headed to Stanford. It is too early to call but where there is smoke there is fire and that one has been smoldering for quite some time.
Cedric Dozier will visit UW this weekend. The Huskies are now recruiting him as a WR and Sark has personally taken over his recruitment.
Arik Armstead still remains in play for Washington according to various sources out there. Tosh Lupoi is probably the biggest factor in that change of heart. Armstead is out of visits so if he does visit UW it would be on his own dime.
The Huskies continue to lead for Jordan Payton and I would be pretty surprised if he ends up anywhere else.
Shaq Thomson still has UW at the top of his list but now says that he may not decide until after signing day. Oregon is dropping out of the race for Shaq which is no big surprise after he was stood up by Kelly last weekend.
Zach Banner will announce on Monday and sad to say we keep hearing USC....but that could just be the afterglow remaining from his most recent trip...we shall see.
We keep hearing that Chip Kelly is still being pursued by the NFL and will probably move on after LOI day which would be about par for the course by Kelly and Oregon.
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Anyone know anything
about the new JC DT recruit we offered – seen him play? His name is Tenny Palepoi from Snow College Utah. He must be a Utah native as he has BYU, Utah and Utah State listed as “High” Interest with Washington listed as “Medium” Interest.
The weather is beautiful here in Texas
After the rain we got the last few days it has been really nice. But I’m not on vacation and I can’t enjoy any of it at my desk at work! Work sucks!
Thanks for the update. So far how is our recruiting class stacking up in terms of national ranking? Just curious. If we land Shaq, Arik, Brostek, or Banner I wonder how much it will go up…
Not Buying...
We keep hearing that Chip Kelly is still being pursued by the NFL and will probably move on after LOI day which would be about par for the course by Kelly and Oregon.
Unless Oregon is planning on playing hardball with recruits and not letting them out of their LOI’s I don’t see what the point in this would be. It’s pretty standard practice to release players if a coaching change is made.
The only logic I see in this is that there will be limited scholly’s available after LOI day so recruits are more likely to stay. Still, there are quite a few that go anyways.
Keep in mind
You are a guest here…and like all Duck fans who do visit here…on a very short leash.
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by John Berkowitz on Jan 26, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
By the way
If I cited all my sources I wouldn’t have any…and ya the guys at DM share stuff with me from time to time but not as much as you might think.
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by John Berkowitz on Jan 26, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
This report does not shock me
With all the rumors out there this is the one I most believe, he is obviously interested and seems to want to jump before the penalties hit. Either way it would not shock me.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 8:56 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
unless he is still negotiating with Tampa
…I don’t know that any NFL team is going to want to touch him. Given how scarce those opportunities are, NFL execs can afford to pick from the best of the best AND get the guys who are all in. I’m not sure anyone would believe that Chip was any different that Bobby Petrino given his last second change of heart with Tampa
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Chip's terms
He didn’t get them at Tampa and I think that’s why it fell apart, not his duck heart. I haven’t read about any rumors, nor do I look for them, but there are still openings. Maybe his heart will change after LOI.
His Love of Oregon
I hit the floor laughing every single time I hear that.
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by John Berkowitz on Jan 26, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever Do You Mean???
Doubting The Love? Check Out ATQ….“Whole Lotta Love”!
Honestly
Same thing with Sark…it is just a job at this point of their careers.
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by John Berkowitz on Jan 26, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, the thought that he was waiting the 15 days in his contract to jump after LOI day was wishful thinking
I never bought that rumor.
Still, if I was a high-level prospect considering signing with Oregon, I’d do the financial aid agreement rather than a letter of intent so I’d have much more flexibility in the event that Chip did leave or severe sanctions hit in the next few months.
Sure Chip is being pursued by the NFL, and he will probably eventually go;
h*ll, we all oughta be surprised if he didn’t want to test his outsize skill and ego at the highest level. Gotta give him credit; he’s brilliant.
That said, guess I’d be surprised if he jumped so soon after the recent flap. Also publicly admit n oone should rely on me to predict anything Chip Kelly does . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 26, 2012 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
Jonavaughn Williams
Wonder whats going on with him? I see he has an offer at WR, but I’ve can’t remember any discussions about him.
What is going on..
Brostek to Nike U? WTF, 2 legacies going elsewhere and possibly 3 with Banner, the next 6 days are going to be filled with anxiety. I still want to believe my gut feeling that Banner stays, I think over the next 5 days he will realize the following, U$C was a great trip but it’s not close to his family, UW trip was a “12”, “FOE”, Basketball UW>>>U$C, After next year who is set up better, the relationships with Sark & LoRo, how many games will the family and friends be able to go to if he’s at U$C. With that said, I rest my case.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 9:02 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I Like Your Case
I just hope Banner does as well.
Is Banner...
really D1 BBall material? He’s a large man and not in a KM type of way. Looks like Josh Smith without the hands and length.
He is a D1 PF/C
he might not be a Pac-12 PF/C, but he’s a big banger with some good offensive moves and rebounding ability.
Yes He is...
“Big Banger”? “Zach Banner”? would be a welcome role player in the “Lo Ro Express”…(see:ASJ/Brockman!) Boards,Boards,and more boards! A few blocks…some offensive boards,put backs,some nice minutes of rest and change of pace? throw in some “free throws”! (remember those thingy’s?) I think he could be a real help if plugged in properly!
Oh ya
Big body that can rebound and play defense….If he does end up at UW Romar is a big reason.
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by John Berkowitz on Jan 26, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Nike U
doesn’t list an offer to Brostek – where did you hear that? Thanks
by onewoodwacker on Jan 26, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
He had an in home with Kelly
So I would imagine he has an offer.
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by John Berkowitz on Jan 26, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
I think Oregon has a very good chance to land him.
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by John Berkowitz on Jan 26, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah that's the chatter right now....otherwise flying all the way to hawaii during this last week would seem like an odd choice
The Brostek recruitment in general has been really really weird. Due to his complete silence only recruiting diehards are aware of him and how good he is.
Especially with the instability . . .
around the Oregon program due to the coaching situation and possible sanctions.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Kelley visits Brostek:
Interested, how do you find that stuff out?
by onewoodwacker on Jan 26, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
It's The "Love"...
Chip brings “the love”…you bring the chips…
I saw it yesterday, I think in the Hawaii paper
Here, doesn’t say they offered him, just assuming
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
My father went to Cal
I have no particular loyalty to Cal…He became a big Husky fan.
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by John Berkowitz on Jan 26, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Good point...Are U A Big Fan Of Mexico?
I speak plenty english! Where B U at? (approx.?)
Cancun
I love the Yucatan for a lot of reasons….numero one would be non stop service between here and Chicago….three and a half hours and you are literally on the beach.
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by John Berkowitz on Jan 26, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Ahhh..."Beach" good.
Fresh Seafood and sun…tasty fun!
Legacies
How well do you think that UW has treated former players between now and 1995? Like Scott Garnett says…it isn’t the same program that he was a part of.
If Emtman had kid who was a prospect I would say the chance of that kid going to UW would be less than 50%.
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by John Berkowitz on Jan 26, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
i'm interested in this
I’m aware there is a disconnect with Scott and UW.
It’s obvious it’s not the same, DJ and M Lude are gone, as are Ty and Turner.
But it seems Sark And Woodward understand the tradition and mentality that we are trying to emulate. Is it because the 20 year reunion seemed an afterthought rather than a significant component of the whole day?
Or is it because there as still boosters involved that helped facilitate Babs removing Lambright?
I’m not trying to dredge up the past but really understand how we got here and more importantly how do we fix it.
on the ties with former players
I sure hope Woodward & Sark are noting the reception they got from Scott Garnett and the grumblings from the ’91 team about the reunion for the last Husky Stadium game and taking a long hard look at what has gone wrong.
Last thing you want to do at a school with a long history of football success is piss away that goodwill by upsetting the former players – they should be your best ambassadors.
Did I miss something at that game?
I sure hope Woodward & Sark are noting the reception they got from Scott Garnett and the grumblings from the ’91 team about the reunion for the last Husky Stadium game and taking a long hard look at what has gone wrong.
What were the rumblings? As far as I have heard Sark wants to bring back the old players and refresh the history to his kids on husky football, is this wrong?
Last thing you want to do at a school with a long history of football success is piss away that goodwill by upsetting the former players – they should be your best ambassadors.
Who’s upsetting the former players? These comments make me feel like i’ve been under a rock..
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
there were grumblings from the '91 team
Felt like they were brought back on the cheap. I don’t remember the exact complaints, but the gist was there was a very minimal amount of work done in terms of a celebration and what they did to facilitate them gathering. I’m sure some will say “waaaah, spoiled athletes”, but as I said above – you want your former players to be your biggest boosters. If that sometimes means you stroke egos to keep them happy, then that’s what you do. You can be sure that’s what athletic departments at Ohio State, Texas, Alabama etc. do…
The other thing I’m alluding to is just general grumblings over the recent years about former players not feeling appreciated by the athletic department and program. I think a lot of that got fixed by firing Willingham, but the damage done during those years can cut deep and be hard to mend, though I think Sark & Woodward are making attempts.
In particular I was struck by some comments Scott Garnett made in a recent interview when he was asked about Josh’s recruitment and how the UW fit into the picture, and Scott wasn’t particularly complimentary about his alma mater. That’s not the message you want coming from your past players.
Interesting..
First I had heard of this, well that’s very concerning to hear. Makes more sense now why Josh never really seemed interested in coming here. Well I hope Sark will try to do more for the coming years to change that perception of the fromer Dawgs. Lord knows it would be a great thing for them to be involved.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Same thing
Happened at CU at under Hawkins. And since I live and work close to Boulder I hear some first hand accounts. It was very damaging and was a big reason Embree was hired.
It is definitely better...
But you can’t make it all go away after twenty years of bad management and it still isn’t where it needs to be.
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by John Berkowitz on Jan 26, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
I am of the younger generation and was a toddler for the 91 team
but it is time for everyone to stop re living the glory years. That was 20 years ago.. a lot has changed in 20 years including the UW. I get sick and tired of hearing about past players from the mid 90’s were turned off from the University of Washington. Then you know what? Forget them. We want people invloved at the UW who want to help out. If they cannot get past what happened 15 years ago then we do not need them. If Brostek son or Garnett’s son are not coming hear because of how former players were treated by people who DO NOT work for the University then forget them. I trust that Sark and Tosh and Wilcox will find better players who want to be Dawgs. These former Dawgs act the University owes them something. I just don’t understand this thinking. Sark is great for UW and 99% of fans agree.
Couldn't disagree more.
These guys are Husky legends, I for one, want their kids playing here at the UW. Garnett and Banner are 5 star prospects, and Brostek is a 4 star prospect. We could really use all three of them. It really sucks to know that the UW has pissed off their parents so much that they might not even want their kids to attend the same school they did.
The way Steve Emtman was treated by Tyrone Willingham and Todd Turner is just horrendous. The fact that a former player who wanted to contribute to the program, both on the field and off the field, yet was told to get lost, is incomprehensible.
I highly recommend doing more research before you make a blanket statement based on feelings and not on facts.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
I'm not sure I could disagree more.
You absolutely honor your past. It’s not about “reliving your glory years” at all. The guys in question are the ones that made the UW what it was up until the horror show of the last decade. They ARE the tradition of the UW.
And you’ve got it backwards. In a lot of instances, these ARE the people that want to help. And in a lot of cases, they’ve been told to go away. Steve Emtman wanted to donate a large amount of money to build a football-only weight room (I think it was something like $3 million). Todd Turner basically told him to piss off. In 2007, when the UW was honoring the 1977 Rose Bowl team, some of the players from that team asked Willingham if they could address the current team in some way. Willingham said there wasn’t enough time to organize anything. That’s BS. If Nesby Glasgow shows up to the lockerroom a half hour before kickoff, all it should take is one look at his Rose Bowl ring to get him inside. There have been instances of former players wanting to use the weightroom to keep in shape and hang out with the team. Cam Cleeland was told he wasn’t welcome. Meanwhile, Shawn Alexander was…
The UW spent half a century building a past to be proud of. And to create ambassadors (and breeding stock) for the sports programs. Barbara Hedges, Todd Turner, Willingham, and upper campus crapped all over it, and drove a wedge between not just former players and the program, but fans and the program. It’s sad. Really, really sad. If you were a toddler in 1991, you really don’t understand Husky football. I don’t mean that as an insult. But you just haven’t seen it. Hopefully, you just haven’t seen it yet.
by Sundodger on Jan 26, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Perfectly said.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
we are in the wheelhouse of the players from the mid-80's-mid-90's
having their own kids graduating from high school.
they should be automatics to come to the Dub.
i knew it was bad but didn’t know until this year how bad it was.
+1
"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis
by Carne Guisada on Jan 26, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
I don't understand husky football?
This is the attitude that people my age can’t stand. The guys who still think it is 1990, where recruiting classes were unlimited, where steroids were used heavily. After going to school through the Ty days I have a better understanding then most of how bad football is. But after witnessing that terrible football and what we have now is progress. In my opinion bringing back ex players and making sure their ego’s are properly patted is pretty low on my list of priorities in bringing back Husky Football.
How about we win 10 games first and that will bring back everyone in itself. Do you know that the Huskies have had one 10 win season since 92 which is least in the old Pac 10.
I'm your age (I think, I'm 26)
I agree with them 100%. Nobody thinks it’s still 1990, but alienating your alumni is stupid, not only for recruiting, but morally. These guys gave you years of their life and made you untold amounts of money. They love the school and just want to be involved. There is zero reason to run them off.
It has nothing to do with your age
All succesful football programs need their alumni. It has been proven this year when all there kids are 4 and 5 stars and their dads are saying go anywhere but UDUB. These former players if treated right. would not only send their kids to UDUB, but talk publically about the program, and be its greatest ammbassador. The Entmann case is also and example. We all no its not 1990 but we all want those days back. And you need alumni to do that.
Classes were unlimited in 1990?
No, the scholarship limits dropped to 95 in 1978 (I believe). And the Pac 10 actually had their own limit of 90 for a few years in there between 1978 and 1994.
This is the attitude that people my age can’t stand.
You can call it an attitude if you want, but it’s also a fact. You’ve been a fan during a time that there’s been next to no support for football from the athletic department. And when upper campus intentionally submarined the program because it had gotten to big. If Mike Lude hadn’t been forced out, and if Hedges hadn’t been hired even though she wasn’t qualified (UW’s president admitted that he was going to hire a woman no matter what), things never would’ve gotten to this point. Husky Stadium probably would’ve been remodeled a decade ago, and the cast of characters that have put their dirty stamp in Montlake never would’ve been hired.
Even though Woodward botched the ‘91 thing, I definitely think he’s a friend of the football program. That’s a good thing. It’s paramount in rebuilding the program. It remains to be seen what Sarkisian’s ceiling is. But if he doesn’t work out, I’m fairly confident that Woodward will pull the plug.
Assuaging the egos of former players really doesn’t have much to do with rebuilding the team on the field other than donations they might make and the prodigal son they might produce. But it just doesn’t take much effort to make those guys feel good about what they did for the University of Washington.
For starters, how about letting the letter winners onto the field as the team runs out of the tunnel, like they used to? That was a pretty cool thing. Got all of those guys to be a (very small) part of the program again, gave them a chance to wear those jackets and hold the blankets, etc.
you couldn't be more wrong
Lear and Sundodger nailed it. You honor the past and the guys who built the UW into a power. For the most part they want to help and feel connected to their alma mater. And if some of them want their ego stroked – so what? Do it. Because you can bet your competition is. You think past Oregon greats are getting turned away by the current administration? I doubt it…
Not exactly what I meant
I will be the first to tell you that I do not have any insider knowledge of Husky Athletics, just what I see and read. What I am saying and what you missed was that Woodward and Sark are new to UW. They were not around during the years from 95-08 (Woodward not in an Athletic role during those years) It is not there fault for the disconnect that prior administrations did to these former husky legends. That is what I mean. Former players need to be smart enough and realize that things have changed around here. Hedges is not the AD, Ty is not the coach. If past players cannot get passed what took place in the past, then not much you can do. Look at what Lambright has to say about Sark, look what many past players have to say about this new staff. All I have heard is great things..
Sark and Woodward have made great attempts to reach out and honor the past and honor the tradition. No doubt in my mind.
Sorry if I do not have sympathy for a ex player whose ego was bruised from Hedges ( an AD who does not work here) or guys like Emtman who were turned away by Turner and Ty. THEY DO NOT WORK FOR UW ANYMORE.
I stand by what i said that it is selfish of players who fall in this group who still feel hurt/ disrespected/ and have some distain for UW because of what a select few did in the past. Get over it and accept that change is here and we are not going back to the days of Ty and Turner.
you can call them selfish all you want...
…but that doesn’t do any good getting them back in the fold. That’s the point you’re missing.
Yes, previous administrations screwed-up the relationship between the program and former players. But Woodward isn’t immune from criticism – the way the ’91 team was brought together and honored this year was done on the cheap and was noticed by many of those guys who harped afterward. And not only does he need to do better, he needs to go above and beyond to attempt to repair the damage done in past years.
You may think it’s bruised egos on the parts of players, and that’s true – but that’s the nature of the game. As I said, other big-time programs feed the egos and keep their former players happy and acting as huge ambassadors for their programs. The less we do that, the more we fall behind.
Woodward is still considered a youngster
I’m sure he’ll figure it out that orgainizing reunions should always be operated in first class style.
All I saw was purple
It is not all of them
I am saying for those select few players who feel disrespected.. yes forget them. Nothing you can do. I remember seeing countless players from the 91 team at the Oregon game having a great time. Afterwords many said what a great time it was coming back and what a great job Sark is doing and how UW is on its way back. Those are the players I want to be involved in the UW program. Those are the players I want talking with the players. Those are the players that I want on the sideline.
I do not want the few players who complained that a stretch hummer did not pick them up from the airport or that they only served a T Bone steak instead of Filet’s the night before or that the ceremony was not long enough. Those are the players that you can never please and those are the players i do not want on the sideline talking to our players.
I remember seeing countless players from the 91 team at the Oregon game having a great time. Afterwords many said what a great time it was coming back and what a great job Sark is doing and how UW is on its way back.
Being pleased with the direction of the team and being upset about the way the athletic department has alienated former players aren’t mutually exclusive. Several players have gone on record in praise of Sarkisian and what he’s been able to do so far, but were also disappointed that the actual ceremony at the game was as abbreviated and cut rate as it was. And there’s no doubt it was.
I do not want the few players who complained that a stretch hummer did not pick them up from the airport or that they only served a T Bone steak instead of Filet’s the night before or that the ceremony was not long enough. Those are the players that you can never please and those are the players i do not want on the sideline talking to our players.
I get that you’re exaggerating to make a point, but you’re largely mischaracterizing the issues most of the players had. The ceremony was bush league. It never should’ve been done pre-game. The entire half time should’ve been devoted to it. A video montage of the season. Introducing the players individually, and listing stats, awards, post-UW successes, etc. With the hype that the athletic department put out for the event, it should’ve been much, much more. Yes, some of the players reacted a little petulantly. But there is literally no reason for the athletic department to NOT stroke their egos a little. Not in that situation (honoring the best team in school history at the final game to be played in the old stadium).
And really, this is about far more than the 1991. The legacy kids in question (Banner, Garnett, Brostek) – only Banner’s dad played on that team. The rest were before that. The disconnect goes much, much deeper than that one event.
What we have to remember is that the Ty era is over
We have new administrators in the athletic department and we have a new and exciting head football coach and an energized football staff. I sort of get what you are saying Dawgfan87 and I am even old enough to tell you that I witnessed the 91 team in action. But like the others, I have to side with them. We have the luxury of traditonal excellence on the gridiron and it is to our advantage to restore that part of the Husky family. The ex players feel disconnected. Sure they are a bunch of grey haired-gimpy knee guys like all the rest of us old timers. I would love to see us have a few old timers on the sidelines now and then. Carroll did this at USC with Marcus Allen and Ronnie Lott. I would love to see Emtman, Hoffman, and Bailey on the sideline for games.
The bottom line is we are here to win games and championships. We’re here to get the decibel level back to where it was in 91. This is the Pacific NW Jewel, unfortunately, it’s been on a staycation for a decade.
All I saw was purple
Have to respectfully disagree. While it's quite true the coaching staff needs to focus on the present & future,
the Athletic Dept should devote adequate resources to cultivate ALL former Huskies, and not just the football guys.
Not a lot of scholls can claim ANY national championships!
and the sport w/ the greatest winning tradition is actually the crew team . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 26, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
not the AD's responsibility
The UW does do that, that is why they have Elliot Silvers in charge of the Big W club.
by DAWGFAN87 on Jan 27, 2012 8:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
and he was perhaps the most dominant player in his position as any Husky ever.
and an incredible attitude. Heckuva problem when guiys like him are not a primary recruiting asset. Hope Sark makes an effort to patch up relationships with alumni players
by HuskyInExile on Jan 26, 2012 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
I think...
…he’s more just bemoaning the fact that Oregon appears to be a major player for Brostek. He certainly hasn’t made any public declarations about where he’s favoring. That said, apparently talk on the Big Island is people think Oregon may be leading for him.
People reading too much into two practices.
I remember how last year nearly every major “draftnik” said that Locker severely hurt his stock because of a subpar performance in the Senior Bowl. He ended up going 8th overall. Somehow I doubt that most NFL teams weigh performances in the Senior Bowl more than actual game film.
by Coach Owens on Jan 26, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
All Chris needs is one team that loves him...
Plus, we’re in the stage of the pre-draft season when the frontrunners are nitpicked for everything, which explains how guys like Gabbert suddenly come from nowhere and get drafted high.
Gabbert didn't really come from nowhere
he was a top 5 QB. He moved from a 2nd round project on most boards to the 2nd best QB and a Mid-1st rounder.
Top 5 QB - out of the 11 that were drafted?
So, definitely in the top 50%
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
disappointing to hear about his build
Apparently that 220 lbs wasn’t built just from hard work in the weight room. Hopefully part of that is a result of his shoulder surgeries and not being able to fully work out his upper body, but he’d better get serious about his conditioning.
I've obviously missed something.
Can you expand a little, or point me in the right direction to check it out for myself?
Here's a link
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/day-3-at-senior-bowl-risers-and-fallers/
Formerly the fan known as Denvdawg.
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by Randall Floyd on Jan 26, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Rob Rang also was underwhelmed
http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/34539714
With some prospects impressing with their athletic frames, there will naturally be some disappointments. It is worth repeating that the NFL is full of prospects who appeared too small, too heavy or too thin in shorts only to prove Pro-Bowlers on the field. Still, the relatively soft builds for Washington running back Chris Polk, Alabama center William Vlachos, Boise State defensive lineman Billy Winn and Marshall defensive end Vinny Curry were a bit surprising.
MJD had a "soft build". It's a stupid observation.
If the power / speed / balance and skills are present, then the prospect is legit. It’s not like he’s Prince Fielder.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
it's nit-picking for sure
But then again, given the short shelf-life of NFL RB’s, I don’t blame teams from putting some stock into such things.
I still think Polk will be a 2nd rounder.
The good thing...
…is it’s something he can do a lot about in the next few months if appearance is really that big an issue. I know this may shock some people, but college students don’t always have the best diets. A few months of eating well and working out to develop tone could go a long way.
I don’t watch the NFL all that often, but when I do, it seems like there are more than a few running backs that should maybe skip the next jelly doughnut.
Keep in mind
that a couple of days of practices don’t mean a whole lot in the big scheme of things. Especially for a guy like Polk who seems to get better the more snaps he gets, and will benefit from having the rust shaken off a bit. Remember earlier this year when he was coming back from minor surgery. Even when his health was 100% he said it took a week or two to get his vision and feel back so that he was making the right cuts at the right time, etc.
Polk in action...
…has generally gotten good reviews at the Senior Bowl practices. His pass-pro has been criticized, though some thought he showed improvement over the course of practices, some have noted he doesn’t show a lot of shiftiness (we all know that from watching him), but his speed has generally been regarded as pretty good and that he’s a tough runner.
But his weigh-in has pretty widely been regarded as underwhelming. Apparently he looked a bit soft (relatively speaking).
But his weigh-in has pretty widely been regarded as underwhelming. Apparently he looked a bit soft (relatively speaking).
I’m sure there are several of us dawgpounders here that look a lot worse. He should’ve had one of us go right before him. Woulda made him look like Adonis.
Softy would have taken the bullet
Polk would have looked like Schwarzenegger in his prime, in comparison.
Good point..."history"...isn't always pretty
But it’s real. Good news is it’s a new era about to produce “fruit” and …I must admit frustration at the NCAA/Pac hypocrisy (present and past) when I…like Coach James feel the biggest “wrong” was buying "a Camaro Lol! "Not taking a loan…Ohio State,Not A Dame,Texas, U$C,$EC,etc.can keep being big teflon Icon$… BS!
Package Deal?
According to Bob Condotta Banner and Dozier may announce together Monday – possibly a package deal for UW? Fingers crossed.
one can hope...
…but I wouldn’t put too much stock in that idea. I think it’s just that, since Banner will be announcing publicly then, Dozier may jump on board and also announce at the same event.
I Know
I"m just trying to be a glass half full guy so I can make it to signing day.
What's Tosh doing
From Twitter:
@adamgorney
2013 DE Vanderdoes: I just talked to Lupoi and Wilcox at they both told me I’m the top recruit for #Washington in the 2013 class.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
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Feeding kids lines
They might not be lying though since DE is going to be a huge position of need in this class. Espesically with Kaumatule getting into Stanford.
Kind of a dangerous statement though
You think this gets seen by a Max Browne and hurts the ego a little?
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe
but they’ll tell that to all the kids. If this kid is the #1 priority, then tell him until he changes his phone number. If he’s not, do it anyway. All the coaches do it, as long as they’re not making promises they can’t keep, I don’t care. It’s on the kid to not fall for it.
You just have offensive coaches tell him that he's their top defensive recruit,
and that he’s their top offinsive recuit.
by Mind of no mind on Jan 26, 2012 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
they are
Though some of the people that just a few days ago were saying he was definitely heading to Stanford are reversing course and saying they’ve been told he’s still solid to Washington.
Crazy year for recruiting – it’ll be good to get it done with next Wednesday.
To tell the truth
…I honestly can’t wait until this crazy ride is over. I can’t afford this kind of non-work, non-school related stress! Whew-ie!
by CanisInvictus on Jan 26, 2012 4:37 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Rector
I got to meet Rector last night. He was MC of an event I attended. What a great kid! Any program would be thrilled to have him around.
One thing to keep in mind with him is that he is a VERY serious student. He wants to be a surgeon after his football career is over, and he has excellent grades at Bellarmine. With this in mind, I can see why Stanford is high on his list and – even though I didn’t bring it up with him in person – I have to guess that is where he will end up. While UW has a lot to be proud of as far as education goes, it really can’t match up with Stanford.
If its true and he goes to Stanford I wish him the absolute best. He is a great kid.
I keep refreshing.
And each time I’ve been disappointed.
Chip Kelly Interview if anyone's interested
Normally I wouldn’t post this here but I’m sure some folks are curious since the whole NFL fling just happened.
Doesn't matter
I don’t believe a word he says now since the “my heart is in Oregon” comment.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
What did Oregon fans expect him to say?
“I really have no love for Oregon, but they pay me well, so I wasn’t going to leave unless the situation was just right. Unfortunately Tampa Bay didn’t want to meet my demands, I’ll stay put for another season and see what positions open up next year.”
That would go over great, huh!!
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Do you actually believe any coaches these days?
Except maybe on occasions where a coach returns to their alma mater, all College Coaches are just out for themselves.
the intention of posting this was just for fun, not to try to convince anyone Chip’s in LOVE with Oregon.I just posted it since it’s one of the few interviews Chip actually talks extensively. I do think the guy is an interesting interview when he’s engaged in the subject.
The only reason
I believe he does an interview now is to repair the PR disaster this was a week before LOI.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
Chip speaks....truth?
Refreshing Chip Kelly told Armstead he cldn’t promise he’d be coaching Oregon in 4-5 years;coaches tend to lie through facemasks otherwise
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
That is very refreshing.
Of course he can’t. I don’t think ANY coach can promise that.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 26, 2012 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
Still kind of BS.
He told him he couldn’t promise he’d be coaching Oregon in 4-5 years, implying that the next 2-3 years he will be coaching there, which many players probably don’t think matters because they plan to be in the NFL after that. But the truth is, if the right offer comes along, the’ll be out of Oregon tomorrow.
by Mind of no mind on Jan 26, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I consider it all BS, when it comes from him
He can’t really say he’s not interested in the NFL, since his almost departure, the sanction talk has been brought up again. He is basically working really hard right now to disprove the belief he isn’t going to be there long and sanctions aren’t coming. We’ll see if it works.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
All the big name recruits that Stanford needs get accepted
Through “magic” according to Eklund
Shocker!!
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
well, they don't use lower standards than we do...
…so it’s not like we have a right to get hacked-off about it.
No, but people have often been impressed with Stanford players because they're thought to be really smart.
But that’s a thing of the past, now they’re not really any more intelligent than any other Pac 12 player.
by Mind of no mind on Jan 26, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
so here's the thing...
…does anyone here actually know what kind of grades these kids are getting? Does someone have some inside knowledge that Luke K. is just an average student?
Yes, I believe that Stanford isn’t using the same high standards they did prior to Harbaugh, but I’m not convinced they aren’t still using higher standards than most schools which just use the NCAA minimums.
I think most peoples problems is that it's selective
they just turned down 4.0 student who was a 2* recruit. There aren’t a whole lot of guys (Colby Cyburt was a name brought up) who get turned down at the 3* and above levels, but there are some back up plan guys who haven’t gotten in. They certainly don’t use looser standards than any other school because the NCAA mandates those, but they do seem to adjust them for the higher end prospects.
Did you notice...
Stanford’s admission policies for athletes have gotten a lot easier over the last five-six years.
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by John Berkowitz on Jan 26, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
They call it
The Harbough affect
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
Just seen this
Washington hosted Armstead in Sac-area hotel,renting conference room with 7 coaches – 7! – and Armstead jersey displayed everywhere
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That's how you recruit
I’m loving the snippets we are hearing about how Sark and the new coaches are going after these kids.
This just in
Fresh from keyboard:Armstead done with visits,trips;down to some real heavies. Will NOT trip 2 USC/UCLA as they wanted.
And I hear we signed a JC kicker from Mt. San Antonio, K Travis Coons
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And more updates via twitter from Joe Davidson
Washinton coaching crew headed to Shaq Thompson,out-numbering Jeff Tedfor of Cal,who is with Shaq now
Armstead jerseys displayed during power-point presentation at hotel by Washington staff of 7 had No. 9,in honor of his late uncle Buggy.
Armstead admitted he really wanted to take a jersey home, but….recruiting violation. Dad couldn’t take one either. Not even mom. Tease!
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 8:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Just out of curiosity, where are you hearing those things from?
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 26, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
via twitter from Joe Davidson
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
... I have a bad habit skimming sometimes lol
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 26, 2012 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
I know some people hate this time of year
But this stuff, to me, is gripping. I love college recruiting, not so much the big time announcements on tv but more the battles over these guys and the rumors of who’s going where. I play NCAA just so i can recruit the players in Dynasty mode, lol. And with all the social media around, it’s like a daytime soap for sports fanatics like me who enjoy this stuff. This year has been insane, I doubt it will be like this next year with all the coaching turnover and swaps of assistants, so I will enjoy this last 6 days as much as I can!
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
I deplore it...but I expect my coaches to do it well.
… I look at what is happening to Shaq and I feel bad for the young man – he is confronted with a very serious decision and he seems to be having a hard time navigating it. I feel for the young man.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Yea, he is in a tough spot
I assume you read the article today about his anxiety over everything. Sounds like a great kid and whoever gets him will have a terrific young man. He’s the type that tries to make everyone happy and by doing that is driving himself crazy. Hopefully he picks tonight and ends the dilemma for himself.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
I don't feel too bad.
I don’t doubt that there is a lot of anxiety, but honestly, with the schools in the mix, I don’t think he can really make a bad choice that will haunt him for life, assuming he’s going to take his education seriously (especially now that Oregon seems to be out of the mix). I’m sure he’ll feel bad calling up the coaches he’s turning down, but once school starts, he’s in for the best 4-5 years of his life.
by Mind of no mind on Jan 26, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Well...
Someone with that type of personality will feel bad for all the schools he doesn’t pick, because he honestly feels like they are his friends and doesn’t want to disappoint any of them. Here’s an article about him today on what he’s going through
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
I'm getting a migrane
just imaging what that kid is going through. Reminds me of the Terrance Jones announcement fiasco. I honestly think he flipped because of that infamous phone call from calapari. It was the last call and I think he was mentally and emotionally done when he took it
Funny
I’m with you DF on the recruiting feature of NCAA football game! My step daughter used to walk in the room and roll her eyes. “ugh….playing the nothing game again huh”?
It feels like 10 mins and it's been 4 hours in that game
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
It is indeed a time sucker!
It’s probably the biggest single reason I am obsessed with the recruiting process now. ESPN should do a reality show on recruiting! I’d watch the hell out of that.
yea, i'm sure i'd get hooked
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta wonder...
Did Armstead decide he’s leaning the dawgs way if he’s cancelling his visits to USC/UCLA. I would love nothing more than to hear Mora/Kiffen a collective DOH on this one!
Armstead
Boy we’d forget all about the Garnett story if we got this kid. Sure they play different positons, but currently we need tackles more the guards.
All I saw was purple
In some ways....
I feel like the program needs a couple of these big name Cali kids just to be able to say Yah BUT after losing the big name in state kids.
I've heard multiple stories
I’ve heard that some of our in state kids are miffed because we seeem to be more interested in Cali kids than Washington kids. Then their is the ex player disconnect debacle going around.
If we have in state kids that feel we have a strong interest in Cali kids, well I say “hell yea we do”. We can’t fill our roster with all in state kids. Nobody from the Pacific NW can. James got the best in state kids and his share from Oregon, and the rest were from Cali. But times have changed. Back then you didn’t have an 85 scholarship limit and you could bring in as many kids as you wanted to bring in. Back then we could bring in more in state kids. Nowadays, you have to be more selective because of the limit. The way I see it, you have to sign you best in state kids and then fill the roster with Cali kids. First and second tiers need only to apply. We don’t have room for 3rd tier Ty players.
All I saw was purple
Pretty sure he wants to play DL
Pretty sure i saw that on an interview he gave. We’ll see though.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed..
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
not necessarily
He’s still strongly considering Cal, Oregon, Washington & Auburn (and potentially UCLA & USC still). Keep in mind he never took an official visit to the UW, so that’s potentially a major hurdle to overcome.
In the end, the safe bet is that he picks Cal.
UW was playing catchup because they weren't even in the picture until Tosh was hired
It’s been pretty much an Oregon/Cal battle since Tosh left.
I guess we'll find out soon won't we
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Per Bob Condotta
Both Dawgman, RealDawg reporting UW commit Jason Thompson, brother of Everrette, decomming and now going to Wyoming. …
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He's headed to Wyoming to play QB
Good luck to him!
by TualatinDawg on Jan 26, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Am I loosing my mind?
Either our class is slipping away or we are making room. Nick Montana left so that opens up another scholie.
All I saw was purple
Could be
Or he wants to play QB.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 26, 2012 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't say it's slipping away
Certainly in flux, but show me a school where kids aren’t waffling and wondering if they made the right decision. We aren’t uniquely blessed with this problem (sarcasm).
No Offense...
but where was a 2 * Safety going to play on this team? Safety might be our deepest position. Personally I would rather save this spot for next year and let Tosh get after it. My opinion.
None taken
I think I’ll make waffles in the morning just so I can say I’m waffling.
All I saw was purple
This was not him waffling or spurning the Huskies
He wanted to play QB, but only at the D1 level. He got the chance now, and he can do it under Christensen. Good on em’. I hope he has a tremendous career.
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