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The Monday Morning Wash - Recruiting the recruiter

Last week started with the whirlwind of news that Washington had plucked two coaches from California. The rumor was that Washington offered the coaches everything but the kitchen sink and when they didn't budge Sark and Woody threw in the kitchen sink. (Plus a fancy speed boat.)

Everybody in California went totally ballistic. Programs lose coaches everyday but the loss of 30 year old Tosh Lupoi was different. He was one of their own. He was born and bred a Golden Bear. He didn't know anything else and he had always preached that he was old blue through and through and would never leave.

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When the unthinkable happened Cal coach Jeff Tedford and AD Sandy Barbour presented a united front to the shell shocked Bear Nation. They said they had done everything they could have done to keep Lupoi and Eric Kiesau but had run out of resources. Most Bear fans then assumed that Washington had spent over a half a million dollars a year just to lure Lupoi north.

"We are disappointed, though, in the timing of their decisions and the manner in which this has unfolded as we approach National Signing Day."

Jeff Tedford

The normally mild mannered California Golden Blog called Tosh Lupoi a traitor, backstabber, and general scumbag even though they could understand the motivation behind taking he job. ($$$ Plus a fancy speed boat)

I get being underappreciated and all the ramifications that come with it but when you clear out in the middle of the night with no warning and are immediately in contact with recruits that morning when your employers don't even know yet and start not only recruiting for your new program the guys you recruited for Cal but tell them, "DON'T GO TO CAL?"

California Golden Blog

Avinash (Cal Blog Manager) also cunningly planted a rumor that Sark hunted and clubbed baby harp seals during the off season.

Well, I say no. We refuse to believe that Sark the Serial Seal-Beater actually exists, and all of you out there reading this should make sure that if people ever let this rumor spread online, that everyone else online knows that too. You don't want people to be going searching for Steve Sarkisian and then seeing "What's this I see about seals?" Washington fans, if you ever get angry about this rumor, just remember no one saw Sark ever sucker-punch a seal pup.

Harp for Sark?

So anyone out there want to hear about the true reality of what went down last week?

When Wilcox and Sirmon were hired by Sark the first target on their list was Tosh Lupoi. Tosh was mentored by Wilcox when he was the LB coach at Cal and they have been close ever since. Wilcox offered Tosh a job at Tennessee (which Tosh turned down) and he would have been undoubtedly part of the package that would have moved on to Texas if Wilcox has accepted that job.

Tosh wasn't going to be an easy get because he does love Cal and he does bleed Old Blue. That being said there were some major cracks developing in the armor. At $164,000 per year he was one of the lowest paid coaches on the Cal coaching staff. That wasn't going to work long term.

Even though he was one of the lowest paid coaches on the staff he was the guy who was getting the most press because of his recruiting prowess. We have heard that there was some friction between the coaches because of that notoriety.

We also heard that Tosh felt under appreciated and was stagnating in an environment where there wasn't much room for growth. It wasn't like Cal DC Clancy Pendergrast was going to step aside to let Tosh take over the defense. So if he was going to achieve growth he was going to have to find it in another place.

Even though Jeff Tedford is one of the highest paid coaches ($2.8 million) in the conference his assistants are not paid nearly as well in comparison. Washington paid its assistants $2,284,024 in 2011 while Cal only distributed $1,570,000 to its assistants during the same time period.

Washington offered Lupoi $350,000 per year (three year contract) with a one time payment of an additional $100,000 as a signing bonus. He also gets another $100,000 if he stays all three years. That is a pretty sweet deal (a little more than Cozzetto money) but you would think that Cal could have matched it or at least come close.

Cal did reportedly counter with a raise of only $100,000 per year but it would take 50 or more more days to get that deal approved by the upper campus. Barbour and Tedford aren't in charge of the checkbook at Cal while Woody and Sark can pretty much do whatever they want within reason at Washington.

Lupoi made his decision, left a voice mail for Tedford (who was in the air), and did what all great assistant coaches do. He started immediately recruiting for Washington and it really hacked off everyone at Cal. We just went though this with Demetrice Martin and it is never a good thing when somebody nabs your ace recruiter.

While Cal fans are understandably upset about the way things went down...the point to be taken here is that California didn't do much to try to retain Lupoi. Tosh had no real choice other than take the better offer and move to a position with better upward mobility.

So who do you blame? Sark and Woody or Jeff and Sandy?

2012 Washington Football Coaching Salaries

Steve Sarkisian --- Head Coach, $2,250,000

Dan Cozzetto --- Offensive Line Coach & Run Game Coordinator, $300,000
Jimmie Dougherty -- Wide Receivers Coach & Pass Game Coordinator, $190,000
Keith Heyward --- Defensive Backs Coach, $150,000
Eric Kiesau --- Offensive Coordinator & Quarterbacks Coach, $375,000
Tosh Lupoi --- Defensive Line Coach & Defensive Run Game Coordinator, $350,000
Johnny Nansen --- Assistant Head Coach, Recruiting Coordinator & Special Teams Coordinator, $200,000
Peter Sirmon --- Linebackers Coach, $225,000
Joel Thomas --- Running Backs Coach & Associate Head Coach - Offense, $190,000
Justin Wilcox --- Defensive Coordinator, $750,000

Times Blue Chips

The annual Seattle Times Blue Chips were released in the Sunday paper. Zach Banner, Josh Garnett, Jeff Lindquist (UW), KeiVarae Russell (Notre Dame) and Cedric Dozier were the five in state players who were accorded the honor.

Garnett will decide between Michigan, Notre Dame, and Stanford. Dozier while committed to Cal is taking a long look at WSU and Washington State. Banner visited USC this past weekend. His finalists are UW, Oklahoma, and USC.

Recruiting Round Up

Zach Banner visited USC and rumors leaked out that he committed to the Trojans on the trip which were as usual untrue. He won't be announcing until signing day. He did have a good time while he was down there and apparently is leaning toward USC.

UW QB commit Cyler Miles also visited USC this past weekend. The Trojans don't have QB commit in this class yet so it makes sense that Kiffin is trying to work Miles whose stock went up over the last couple of weeks.

An article in one of the Island papers says that Shane Brostek is leaning toward Oregon. Shane says he doesn't have a favorite. Insiders still say that UW will close him during an in home between now and the end of the month.

Shaq Thompson has Washington in his top three now that Tosh Lupoi has moved to Washington. Oregon is the third school involved. Washington will try to close him in an in home visit on Thursday.

Chip Kelly to Tampa?

Numerous sources are saying that Oregon head coach Chip Kelly is headed to Tampa Bay. If that turns out to be true expect the Ducks to go hard and heavy after Boise head coach Chris Petersen.

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And appears one of the at home visits Chip Kelly canceled this weekend so he could play footsies with Tampa Bay was Shaq Thompson. Bet that went over really well with them.

by Regent Denali on Jan 23, 2012 6:10 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Chip can't do this again;

the “Neuheisel effect” is deep and damaging. Recruits start doubting (they’re doubting today – the smoke is out of the bong and everyone knows it) whether or not you are looking at other jobs, the school stops supporting you and before you know it, your cupboard is bare and the money is gone and Ty "Wont"ingham is hired to rescue you. F*@!

by onewoodwacker on Jan 23, 2012 6:24 AM PST up reply actions  

The Jordan Payton

tweets indicate that maybe he is looking at the UW as his new home.

While I LOVE this – I still wonder: “Where’s the beef”? Yes, there is still 8 days before LOI day, but:

1. We don’t have ONE high school DT recruit in this class. I do think that if Scout’s reporting is accurate and Malcolm Jackson is truly just 6-1, then he may very well be groomed to play inside. A 6-1 DE is not much help in PAC-12 football – the Big Sky maybe, PLU for sure, but not in the PAC-12.

2. We have commits from 1 OC and 1 OT – this HAS to change.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 23, 2012 6:33 AM PST reply actions  

I'm betting Eldrenkamp will sign.

Brostek, who knows at this point? Might be scared off by the Kelly stuff, might not be, might have been going to UW without it, might be going to start a college football program on the moon for all I know.

I’d also bet there will be a few out-of-nowhere commits – probably not the big stars, but I’m not really worried at this point about the sheer numbers.

by huskies2010 on Jan 23, 2012 6:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Crazy recruiting scene

The only thing we know is that we don’t know shi.. This is going to be a crazi finish – buckle up boys you are in for a wild roller coaster ride.

by lorenzothedog on Jan 23, 2012 7:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I watch

high school football at every opportunity. I go to summer camps, I go to football camps – I love looking for the top prospects. That said – I have thought all along that Eldrenkamp was as good as anybody and I have wondered for the past 3 months – why it took us so long to offer this kid? And, did that wait hurt our chances to land him?

by onewoodwacker on Jan 23, 2012 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

He wasn't in our top six

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 23, 2012 7:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Then

why are we offering him – are you telling me Sark would throw away tuition dollars on a kid that didn’t merit it? Personally, I think he hoped to keep the wolves at bay.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Pecking order

In a normal year he is kid who gets an offer during the Summer. WSU didn’t offer him until Christmas either.

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 24, 2012 5:48 AM PST up reply actions  

If we do get

Brostek – I wonder where he will play. I know Scout lists him as an OG but he is also a top-notch DT with enough speed that his coaches lined him up at LB a few times.

“Personally”, I hope we are looking at him to play DT. I like to though of this 6-3/300 monster taking turns with Danny Shelton and the other beasts in the middle.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 23, 2012 7:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Center

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 23, 2012 7:56 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Kelly

Boy that was fun while it last. I also agree with onewoodwacker. THis will still do damage to the ducks.

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 6:55 AM PST reply actions  

This could actually work in the Ducks' favor...

1) Chip turns down 7 million dollar contract from NFL

2) He is on the record saying that his heart is with the Ducks

3) Oregon has the chance now to announce a succession plan. Chip wants to groom a successor.

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by BisonDucks on Jan 23, 2012 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

1. He will take another offer from another NFL team. Something spooked him at the last minute about Tampa.

2. If you believe that I have some waterfront property in Haiti you might be interested in.

3. Groom a successor after only three years? You either have a candidate or you don’t.

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 23, 2012 8:11 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It wouldn't shock me to see him take a job

either TB or another opening after LOI day. Either that or he just milked the hell out of Unkey Phil. I also don’t see how reports of him not wanting to deal with Parents and/or the NCAA is going to help with recruits. Mike Riley, Sark and Lane Kiffin can all spin some version of “My heart is with school X”. Who, of recruits on the fence is going to commit 4 years of their life to a guy who changed his mind about a job offer at midnight on a Sunday after reports are that he agreed to be the coach?

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

totally agree

Ducks are to spin this back in their favor. I think it creates damage. Do you think Shaq would trust him after he cancelled his in home. No way. Shaq seems way to smart for that. And a bunch of recruits tweeted last night about the situation.

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Similarly

Why would Shaq want to come to UW to follow the recruiter who basically ditched his alma mater at the 11th hour of recruiting season?

by skyo12 on Jan 23, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Well

Because that recruiter wanted to coach with his mentor, get a FAT raise, and oh by the way that mentor recruited his brother.

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 23, 2012 9:31 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

that and said recruiter still wants to coach him...

… I don’t get how these situations are remotely close.

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by Gekko Mojo on Jan 24, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

If somebody offered to triple your paycheck . . .

would you say no? You’d part ways with your alma mater too. It was a decision that was best for TOSH and his family, how can you hold that against him?

Oh, by the way, this is the NATURAL time for assistant coaches to be moving around.

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 23, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not talking about Lupoi

I was just replying on the POV of the recruit. CODawg’s argument about Shaq not trusting Kelly applies to Tosh as well. If a guy I know will jump ship at a moment’s notice for a big pay raise, why would I follow him to a inferior school academically?

Again, I’m just trying to see this from a recruit’s POV, not arguning Tosh made the wrong move here.

by skyo12 on Jan 23, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

FYI, I'm sure Shaq will choose UW at this point

I was just trying to counter the point about Kelly.

by skyo12 on Jan 23, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I still think he goes Cal

because it’s close and his brother went there. I hope I’m wrong.

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

But...

The guy that recruited his brother (Wilcox) and the guy that recruited him (Lupoi) are all at Washington.

I think its Washington.

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

bryce treggs

bryce treggs is saying shaq thompson won’t even text him back anymore. since treggs was the kid trying to keep everyone at CAL together this has gotta look good for us.

by charles188 on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Because that guy made the jump to his bigger job

he might make another one, but to me, seems less likely than the guy who’s dabbling in bigger jobs but not taking them. There also doesn’t seem to be anything to hide with a guy who says “yeah, they paid me…a lot”. As opposed to the guy who says, “yeah I agreed to the deal, but I guess I decided at the last minute that I really like it here.”

Neither are great scenarios though.

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Definitely agree on neither scenario being ideal.

More and more I get into CFB, I find more I love and hate it at the same time.

by skyo12 on Jan 23, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

why would I follow him to a inferior school academically?

You need to get rid of your personal bias’s. UW is a GREAT school academically, not to mention most 5 star athletes aren’t all that concerned with which school has the best academics.

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 23, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not trying to stir up the pot here

But you have some Paul Bunyan sized purple glasses if you think Uw is a better school academically than Berkeley. I’ll be the first to admit UW is a better school academically than Oregon… not sure who’s personally biased here.

Shaq seems like a smart kid and I’m just making the assumption academics matter when having multiple options.

by skyo12 on Jan 23, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Cal Berkeley better than UW

I don’t think anyone is arguing that. Udub still is one of the top public Universities in the nation. That is the point.

by datboyeddiep on Jan 23, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

There is also not

as big a difference in the schools academically.

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

who said "better"

What we’re saying is that UW is among the highest-tier of public universities not just in the country, but in the world. Cal is ranked a bit higher, yes. But the difference is pretty minimal. And depending on the major, there are schools where the UW ranks higher than Cal-Berkeley.

The difference between Cal-Berkeley and UW is far less than the difference between the UW and Oregon – HTH.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly

And the fact that people from Cal think its so much better shows they arent paying attention

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I did undergrad at UW and I'm a PhD grad student at Cal

Cal is a much better school. That said, if you are looking for a standard undergrad education you’ll probably get an equally good one anywhere in the top 1/3 of the programs in the country.

Cal has a lot of intangibles that push it way past UW academically. Cal is elite in almost every way. They have a row of Nobel laureate parking spots outside my building to prove it. The talks that go on campus are pretty amazing and the Cal name pulls much more weight both here in the US and around the world. Its much harder to get into Cal than it is at UW. Everybody studies more here (= lame tailgating and parties). It really has a different culture that separates it from UW. The biggest difference is when I tell people I’m going to Cal I see a different level of recognition from people than when I said I was going to UW.

Cal is an elite school. UW is merely great.

That said, I’m so happy I went to UW instead of Cal for undergrad. Going to Cal would have been miserable and the difference really isn’t big enough to limit your options after you graduate. I don’t blame a recruit that would pick Cal or Stanford over UW if they were solely concerned about the academic reputation of a university but I think there are a lot of other factors that make UW a great place to go to school.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 23, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

good perspective

It may well be that the drop-off from the very top schools to the next tier is pretty big. When I check a variety of school rankings out there, Cal is always ahead of the UW, but not by much, but that doesn’t mean that the actual quality level is greater than the difference implied by the respective rankings.

And your characterization is what I’ve always figured – Cal is “elite”, UW is “very good”.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I'd agree with that

School rankings are pretty bogus. I like the tier approach to ranking schools and sorting schools but coming up with a 1-100 style ranking is pretty tough.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

My bad if I misunderstood

All I’m saying is if I was a recruit, I’d look at the overall picture. And If I was Shaq, my motivation to follow someone like Tosh (or Kelly) is questionable.

by skyo12 on Jan 23, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

that may be

But who’s to say that a big part of Shaq committing to Cal in the first place was Tosh himself?

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Tosh stayed open with him

and he has stated a big reason he was going to Cal was Tosh. Scott Eklund just predicted he picks Uw

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Shocking.....a husky analyst saying that a recruit will pick UW

Not saying he is wrong it’s just from everything I’ve read, that is waaay premature.

by ppilot on Jan 23, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

It was a prediction

Not a fact. I predict NE will the super bowl.

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I predict New York does.

AND that Eli outplays Brady statistically.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 24, 2012 8:04 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

He's right though

all things even with football, Cal is a better school, unless there is a major UW offers that Cal doesn’t. It is kind of a pithy argument since the difference isn’t huge.

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

it's true

since i presently go to UW i would love to argue that we are a better school academicly, but CAL is better it’s just a fact we have to live with.

by charles188 on Jan 23, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Why Does it Matter?

California has a higher ranking overall, but depending on your particular area of interest, UW could be a better choice. For example, we all know WSU is NOT a good academic insitution. Despite this, its Communication program is ranked very highly and its Veterinary Medicine program is also top notch.

That aside, I doubt Shaq cares because they’re both great schools. If he were a regular kid (and not the top safety in the country), I would understand choosing the more highly ranked university. The reality is, he’s probably going to play professional football (if rankings, genetics, and past performances are any indicator of his future). I have a feeling Shaq and Jordan Payton will be dawgs!

by UWDawgyDawg on Jan 23, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Recruiting ratings > university academic ratings.

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by kelly20210 on Jan 24, 2012 12:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Difference

In my opinion is that Tosh kept in touch with Shaq the whole time. Kelly cancelled to flirt with the NFL. I think anyone can see that Kelly’s time in Oregon will over before too long.

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

And I think Tosh will bolt after 2 or 3 seasons

If he can translate his Cal success to Washington.

by skyo12 on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

and maybe he should

I never knock someone’s hustle. When he leaves I suspect UW fans will thank him for the ride and let him move on without sounding like the babies that Cal fans currently sound like.

by murchy on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

if he can't repeat his Cal success

then he’s overpaid and won’t be missed. He got the raise because of his prior success and future potential………..not regression.

by dawgdude on Jan 23, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

If the D improves enough

after 2 or 3 seasons, Wilcox will likely leave for a head coach position and Tosh might be promoted to our DC. Or he might just leave with Wilcox and become his DC. Either way, it will mean a greatly improved UW defense, which is fine by me.

by SeaHuskies on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I dont

If they have success on D its probably Wilcox that leaves with Sirmon and Tosh becomes UW D coordinator

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Because he made the jump to the promotion

if he accepted (or at the very least, publicly dabbled) and then pulled back at the last second, it’d be harder to convince somebody you’re going to be around for a long time, no? I don’t think it’s going to cripple your class, but I think it’s worse than if he left and you promoted from within. The staff stays mostly in tact at that point through LOI day and recruits see stability and familiar faces.

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

because

That recruiter was always honest with Shaq. Plus there is the Wilcox factor. Shaq and his family have known wilcox for awhile. Futhermore, They all just got to Washington. Not likely to leave right away.

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

John...

1. At some point he will go to the NFL. Most coaches are lifers. A PSA looking at Cal or WA will also see the fluidity in their staffs. Remember, WA just fired their entire defensive staff. That doesn’t really smack of continuity. Most of Oregon’s staff are lifers (20+ years).

2. I don’t believe Chip is in it for the money. He doesn’t have time to enjoy it. He will try the NFL but it will be because he is a competitor.

3. good coaches flirt with other offers. Kelly was offered 7 million big ones and can say he choose to follow his heart. That speaks volumes. He was also asking for assurance that the new hire be within the program. He obviously believes there is an heir apparent. My guess is his name is Aliotti. Coach Neal has been in the running for HC at other programs as well.

Chip was groomed in two seasons, after being a coordinator in the FCS for his entire career.

"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday

by BisonDucks on Jan 23, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

*most coaches aren't lifers

"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday

by BisonDucks on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

there's a big difference between the head guy leaving and assistants leaving

You can believe it or not, but Chip’s major flirtation with the NFL – and the leaks that came out about his desire to coach there and leave behind the non-coaching duties of college football – will impact Oregon recruiting.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It's pretty funny to listen to you guys talk about this.

You’ve managed to perfectly crystallize both ends of the opinion spectrum on what to make of the event.

by Drew_D on Jan 23, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say...

it is affected if we don’t land a top 15 class. With the success we’ve had, top 15 should be the norm. That, and we are high on several PSAs that should easily land us there.

"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday

by BisonDucks on Jan 23, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt Oregon will lose any PSA's this recruiting class

It’s late enough in the cycle that I doubt it will be enough to flip any current Oregon commits. Had Kelly left, I think Balducci and Bafaro would have seriously considered flipping to UW.

For next year though, it will affect Oregon recruiting. It’d be highly naive to think otherwise. Whether it will have a major impact – probably not. But it could be the difference for some kids, not feeling certain that Kelly will stick around for long.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I see your point Kirkd...

but I also see this helping with some PSAs. Kelly’s coach prestige is very high – in fact, he’s worth 7 million. Think about the splash this made in Florida. Kelly is all over the newspapers. With some, it will hurt. With others, it will be a blessing. Kelly is a hot commodity. To some 18 years olds that matters.

He also came out and said he has unfinished business with Oregon. That means one thing: win a NC.

Kelly is gone at some point. However, Oregon has become a destination spot. Bellotti set up a succession plan. Kelly will do the same.

"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday

by BisonDucks on Jan 23, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

do you really believe

He stayed because of unfinished business? come on. He decided Tampa wasnt the NFL job he wanted.

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know and doubt very many do...

there is a lot of rumor and innuendo going on right now.

"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday

by BisonDucks on Jan 23, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally,

I believe Chip is high motivated by a challenge. I do believe he wants to win an NCG.

"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday

by BisonDucks on Jan 23, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

So, why do you think he came back?

by Sundodger on Jan 23, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

LIke any decision of this magnitude, there are probably were a bunch of different factors

I thinks it’s somewhere between his love for Oregon and that he didn’t quite like something about the situation with Tampa Bay.

by ppilot on Jan 23, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I just LOVE how the Oregon fans keep mentioning his LOVE for Oregon . . .

If he LOVES Oregon so much, how come he was so close to leaving?

My bet is it was something to do with the situation in Tampa Bay. From what I’ve read, they don’t have the best facilites, and tend to do things on the cheap (in NFL standards).

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 23, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The final staw...

…was when they asked if Chip would mind if they were a couple of days late paying him every now and then.

by Sundodger on Jan 23, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

This is what I'm thinking.

If I had to take a shot in the dark, I’d guess that it could have something to do with roster control. If Kelly wants to run a certian style of offense, he might want to go somewhere that gives him the power to pick the pieces he needs.

by Mind of no mind on Jan 23, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Feb. 1

The unfinished business could simply be this recruiting class. Then its off to Tampa for a 3-year vacation before he returns to college as coach of the Florida Gators.

by Tunnelrat on Jan 23, 2012 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

It also effects guys that were on the fence. Guys the Shaq and Armstead

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Chip was on the phone with Gus...

Armsteads Dad like 20 minutes ago. Chip is a closer.

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by BisonDucks on Jan 23, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Gus seems to be a smart guy

He may buy the BS, but I dont think so. Just because they talk…

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

So, my personal feelings aside.

You’re drifting dangerously from “respect and admiration” to “hero worship/creepy stalker obsession”. Even if you’re trying to troll, I’m thinking about calling Chip and giving him the Antoine Dodson spiel.

by Drew_D on Jan 23, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

OK

"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday

by BisonDucks on Jan 23, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I will consider not reading

message board forums so that I don’t drift to stalker obsession status. Everyone reading premium chat boards must be in that category.

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by BisonDucks on Jan 23, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

that's true

paying for message board access is creepy.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Jan 24, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I pay for recruiting news, and I'm creepy

but which came first? It’s a chicken/egg argument. Did I get creepy because I’m a recruitnik or did I become a recruitnik because I’m creepy.

by B Money on Jan 24, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

We will see...

watch CK wrap up very nice class. He will also announce an heir apparent. Most PSAs develop relationships with position coaches and want reassurance that continuity will remain.

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by BisonDucks on Jan 23, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Who would hire him?

He’s a spread option master. That doesn’t translate to the NFL.

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by dawgfan22 on Jan 24, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

the spread option is starting gain traction in the NFL...

…and Chip isn’t strictly about the spread option. His offense keeps adapting and evolving each year – I think he’s got a sharp enough mind to figure out what works in the NFL.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Don’t know that I would call him mature, but he is for d*mn sure a brilliant X’s & O’s coach. Will be very interesting to see how he eventually does in the NFL.

by HuskyInExile on Jan 24, 2012 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Contract or control problem?

This was way past the Slickster/49er stage. It would appear Chippie agreed to leave OR and the Bucs agreed to a certain dollar amount. While they said his heart was in OR, it looks more like a control problem to me. With all of the NFL openings (Pete is probably in the upper half of seniority with 3 years) each year, there will be plenty more opportunities in the future, even this year. We now know where he wants to go, we just don’t know the price or terms.

by dawgdude on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I suspect this is closest to the truth

CK has a big ego, and the balls & brains to deserve it. I’me quite sure he intends to test his skills in the NFL, and wants to make sure he will get a situation in which he has enough control to achieve his goals.
- I’ll be impressed, but only modestly surprised, if he does well in the NFL

Hope he also wants to help OR get that Championship, but I’d be very surprised if he turned down an NFL position with a situation he likes.

by HuskyInExile on Jan 23, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Speculation on the truth...

is futile at this point. We will know if he bolts sooner rather than later. As a Duck fan, I want a public succession plan a la Bellotti in 2008. Aliotti, Frost, Neal and Helfrich are names being mentioned in staff. Aliotti has a lot of personality and tenure but I am not sure how he’d run the program (he has the most rank and tenure). Anyway, I believe that Kelly doesn’t want to leave the program in a lurch. Who know though?

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by BisonDucks on Jan 24, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

if Shaq comes to us and Brostek doesn't

along with Josh. Then “Legacy” is an anachronism.

by PandG on Jan 23, 2012 7:32 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Chip backs out

According to sources in Eugene and Tampa, Phil has bscked out of the negotiations.

by 61Dawg on Jan 23, 2012 7:39 AM PST reply actions  

Make up your mind Chip

Still has to hurt recruiting should help the dawgs

by lorenzothedog on Jan 23, 2012 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Doubt it hurts much

It may sway a borderline guy but that is about it.

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 23, 2012 8:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

That's what I was explaining in the fanshot thread last night

The Ducks came over to gloat when the reversal news broke. I think they were expecting us to be crushed. Instead, I reason that the only thing that changed from yesterday at noon is that they canceled a visit with the #1 DB in the nation and now Chip has a PR issue.

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Good thing we troll proofed last week

Interesting …. Matt “Troll” Mommy over at ATQ seems more interested in our reaction than what is going on with their program…what a putz.

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 23, 2012 8:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Honestly…do we even care about Oregon? To me they are a program that has had its 30 minutes of fame prior to the coming NCAA directed implosion.

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 23, 2012 8:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by Carne Guisada on Jan 23, 2012 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I really don't see anything major on the horizon

I certainly hope I’m wrong, and I hope there is a smoking gun that ties Knight and Nike directly to paying for recruits…but I’m not holding out much hope.

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Good.

Then you will be very pleasantly surprised when they get hammered. I just can’t see them not getting nailed by the NCAA. They paid a street agent OVER the table and then Chip Kelly tried to cover it up. He really should have taken the Tampa Bay deal.

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 23, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Street agents are a grey area though

and one major violation does not make for bowl bans and scholly reductions…at least not major ones.

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

But cover ups do!

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 23, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

True

but was it really a cover up or are we all reaching? I feel like they tried at first, then once they knew they couldn’t do so they just opened up. My mind keeps saying “Destroy them!”, but I know it’s not going to be quite that bad.

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

It was a cover up.

…not sure how anyone could say otherwise without a real streeeeeeeeeetch of the imagination.

by Snostrebla on Jan 23, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd have to agree with this

I’ve been swayed to the thinking they completely overreacted on USC, and Oregon’s going to be the beneficiary of the pendulum swing. I doubt they’ll get anything like the Trojans got, but hopefully there will be some cracking down on that sort of ridiculousness.

by Drew_D on Jan 23, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

NCAA definitely overreacted to USC

But I think Oregon gets a similar penalty, as they should.

by datboyeddiep on Jan 23, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

You're crazy.

Oregon will slide.

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by RabbitSC on Jan 24, 2012 1:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Your crazi

…what oregon did is waaaaay worse than what USC did and the obvious attempt to cover it up shows that they knew what they were doing was wrong. If they don’t get hammered it will be a major travesty of justice.

by Snostrebla on Jan 23, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe. But what Auburn did was waaaaaay worse than all of them.

They out and out bought a player for big money. And they skated.

What Ohio State did (the blatant coverup) was worse, and they got next to nothing.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens to UNC and to Miami.

At this point, all we can really say is that there doesn’t seem to be much rhyme or reason behind the NCAA’s rulings. Absolutely no transparency.

by Sundodger on Jan 23, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

no proof

That Auburn paid anything though

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

There’s about as much proof that Auburn bought Newton as there was that USC knew anything about the Bush situation.

by Sundodger on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

True

…but there’s a lot more proof that oregon new exactly what they were doing – all involving the head coach. Which just proves my original point oregon is waaaaaaaay worse.

by Snostrebla on Jan 23, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I generally agree with your point.

The problem is that it isn’t necessarily “proof.” All we’ve really heard is half of the story, and it comes from a guy that doesn’t have the highest level of credibility due to his story changing so much.

I think that Kelly is guilty of doing it, but it’s very possible to put a nice, pleasant spin on just about everything he did. It all comes down to what the NCAA wants to believe in regards to a coverup taking place.

by Sundodger on Jan 23, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

What proof did the NCAA really have with USC?

A picture, and a short phone call. And no one knows what was said in that phone call.

by Sundodger on Jan 23, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that Mike Garrett's

“screw you, we’re USC” attitude sure didn’t help their case…

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

that's exactly what did them in

The NCAA didn’t have much of a case against USC – it was agents paying the Bush family, agents that had no booster connection to the school. Yeah, the way Carroll ran practices was probably too loosey-goosey in terms of who was allowed to watch and who had access to the locker rooms, and yeah, the coaching staff should have (and probably did) noticed that Bush appeared to be well taken-care-of.

But to hammer them the way they were? That was pure spite by the NCAA, and I’d bet a lot of it was due to their reaction to how much of an arrogant ass Mike Garrett was.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Hammer?

USC is a sexy preseason #1 pick next year. So far the “hammer” has hit nothing but Pete Carroll’s thumb, and he’s gotten over it.
Sanctions may very well catch up to the Trojans, but if the NCAA is viewing SC as a benchmark for future punishment, and they want NCAA sanctions to actually mean something, that does not bode well for those under investigation currently.

by Tunnelrat on Jan 23, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

most people dont get this

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

perhaps

I’d have to take a really close look at their roster situation again, but I did a quick crunch last year and concluded that Kiffin has set things up such that he should always be at 75 for the duration of the sanctions and should be able to jump immediately back to 85 when they come off.

Their depth will take a hit by missing those 10 guys, but they’re unlikely to fall into the low 60’s and high 50’s that some people mistakenly think will happen.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

The thing is they won't have any margin for error

If a few guys don’t turn out to be quality players or leave the program quickly, they won’t have another plan. Only being able to bring in 15 handcuffs them that way. They really can’t miss on guys.

by thecassino on Jan 24, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

yep, agreed

They’re going to need a bit more luck than the other NC contenders in avoiding injuries, busts and washouts.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

they got hammered

Kiffin has done a terrific job of working the numbers (it certainly helped that USC appealed which gave them another year to prepare), but being down 10 initial scholarship offers per year for 3 years running and down 10 total scholarships over that same 3 year period is a significant penalty.

USC may be a sexy pick for #1 next year, but they have less margin for error than other top programs – they are more vulnerable to injury and unexpected attrition than Alabama, LSU, etc.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless there is a rash of losses at a given position,

which would wreck the season for any program, next year won’t be a problem. The 10 guys they don’t have will be their last 10, who would have been redshirted or on the scout team if they were there.

It will be when those 10 would have been in their third year, and would have worked their way into the rotation, that the impact will really be seen, when 10 other new guys who should be redshirting are playing in place of them.

Typically, teams only play 50 or so players significantly, and their top 65 will still be more than enough to cover that. But once there are several of those sets of 10 or so that are missing, then both the experience and quality of depth issues creep deep into their top 50.

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by AndyPanda on Jan 23, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

yes and no

USC has run off some kids that might have turned out to be significant contributors next season in the interests of structuring their roster numbers to withstand the sanctions.

But yeah, I get your point, though I still think they are more vulnerable than other top programs. Look at their projected RB depth for next year – top level talent, but not deep at all.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

there were other things

than just reggie bush. didnt they get them for lack of control. i dont think Auburn had any of that

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

like the constant

celebs on the USC sideline and at practices.

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, they did get LOIC.

But the other sports in question (basketball and women’s tennis) received no punishment from the NCAA (they accepted what USC self-imposed). There was nothing outside of football other than Bush.

The NCAA concluded that Newton’s dad did in fact solicit money for Cam, and Auburn also had four former players state on HBO that they received cash from boosters.

The NCAA didn’t spend much time investigating Auburn, They spent four freakin’ years going after USC. And all they got was that phone call and picture. USC’s attitude had a lot do with it, I’d guess. But that investigation was a vendetta.

by Sundodger on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

But that investigation was a vendetta.

I agree with this. I couldn’t believe how the NCAA could think the whole Scam thing was open and shut within just a few months. It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Miami…

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

No proof that Auburn did anything

..and Ohio State wasn’t trying to gain an advantage on the field. Totally different in my opinion

by Snostrebla on Jan 23, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Ohio State knowingly played

ineligble players, 4 of which were starters…that kind of is trying to gain an advantage on the field.

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

True

but they didn’t gain those players by paying them or others to get them into the program to begin with. Not really the same to me.

by Snostrebla on Jan 23, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

That is a good point,

but which is worse? Lying to the NCAA on multiple occasions and knowingly playing players that are not eligible under NCAA regs; or paying $$ to gain influence with a player, a player that never played a down for Oregon no less?

Not to mention that while WIllie-gate is definitely shady and in the gray, no NCAA rules were outright broken, and no evidence exists that Oregon hasn’t cooperated with the NCAA.

I’d say that if any program were to get the hammer, it’d be OSU due to the embarrasment caused to the NCAA with the whole Sugar Bowl fiasco, but they didn’t get it as bad as you would have thought.

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget . . .

Willie Lyles also has connections to Darron Thomas, LMJ and others. It would be an awful shame if the ONLY Rose Bowl win Oregon has in the last 90+ years would be rendered null in void by having to vacate wins.

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

no NCAA rules were outright broken

This isn’t really true. It’s a matter of interpretation by the NCAA. They could very well decide that several rules were broken, and broken very frequently. As far as Oregon’s cooperation goes, nobody but the NCAA and the UO have complete knowledge of that. And again, it’s up to the whims of the NCAA to determine.

As it stands right now, I’m shocked that USC got what they did, and that OSU got off as light as they did. And if the NCAA was going to make an example of a program, I thought it would’ve been Auburn. I really don’t think it will be Oregon, but the NCAA is really only consistent in its inconsistency.

by Sundodger on Jan 23, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

What Oregon did

is much worse in my opinion. And you are wrong the broke a clear NCAA rule by paying more for a service than the market rate. I dont care if he ever played.

I do agree that the what tOSU got was too small.

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Please state the NCAA rule

where you are required to have to pay market rate for a service. How could you even enforce this?

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Oregon likely...

gets limited schollie reductions and probation. I would expect fewer OV. It’s not going to be the crippling sanctions suggested here nor the wrist slap some suggest on the other extreme.

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by BisonDucks on Jan 23, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

There's also.

“NCAA bylaw 12.3.3.1, which states a student-athlete may allow a scouting service or agent to distribute personal information to a school — provided a fee is not based on placing the player at a school.” (via ESPN)

If the NCAA determines the fee discrepancy is because Lyles steered players to Oregon the penalties could be much harsher. Remember this isn’t a jury trial either, there’s no burden of proof on the prosecution so to speak.

by Drew_D on Jan 23, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

But there is one clear thing I think might need to be looked at

Where do most of the uniforms come from for the NCAA? Who’s promoted all over ESPN? Nike U is promoted evereywhere so who knows what’s going to happen. I’m not trying to say that these things are going to eliminate any sanctions but I just think that this isn’t a U$C deal where they are out to hit em hard. I would be surprised if nothing was done but if it isn’t more than a slap on the wrist it wouldn’t shock me. Now that NCAA is putting rules in for this kind of thing makes me wonder how they go about punishment or if they end up with a verbal warning. This sort of thing really hasn’t been seen before, wouldn’t shock me if nothing happens I guess.

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 23, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the Nike deal is waaaaaaaay overblown

You don’t think Addidas, Under Armor, etc. wouldn’t LOVE to fill in any voids if Nike got butt-hurt and withdrew from uniform & shoe sponsorships in college football?

Which is a moot point anyway, because I just don’t see Knight being so irrational is to do that – cutting off his nose to spite his face and all that.

Duck fans would love to believe that Phil Knight and Nike will shield them from severe sanctions, but if anything, I think the NCAA would do the opposite.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope so

Just adding that angle to the subject, not to start any conspiracy theories but who knows what Phil is prepared to do, does the NCAA have a number that lets them off the hook? I’m sure Phil can hit that number without blinking an eye, if said number exists…

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 23, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure Phil Knight has the power to do that anyways.

I don’t know exactly what the power structure is at Nike, but I don’t think all the shareholders and board members would sit by if Phil did something damaging to the company to get back at the NCAA for messing up his toy.

by Mind of no mind on Jan 23, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Good info guys.

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

"...required to have to pay market rate for a service"

I presume the clause that is being assumed to be the hook with Oregon’s overpayment is:

(a) Is made available to all institutions desiring to subscribe and at the same fee rate for all subscribers;

Trouble is, Willy Lyles would have been happy to charge anyone else who asked $25K, so his rate was in fact available for all potential subscribers.

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by AndyPanda on Jan 23, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Not to mention

There were several other schools who bought information from him, it’s just that the information they got was valid..

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 23, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

that's not what happened though

Cal paid much less – $8K if I’m not mistaken – for what was also termed a “national recruiting package”, same as Oregon. Only Cal actually got valid info.

LSU got worthless recruiting info (just like Oregon), but only paid ~30% what Oregon paid.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Lying to the NCAA is bad but the ultimate sin in college sports is giving money or benefits to persuade athletes to chose your school over other schools.

by Snostrebla on Jan 23, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

But I don't believe that is the case here

at worst, UO paid Lyles for influence with player(s). That’s where we’re in the gray area—-I don’t believe the NCAA anticipated the whole “runner” phenomenon that has cropped up lately. I’m sure that there will be some rules changes, though/

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

they absolutely anticipated it

They in fact made a point of talking about this very phenomenon to schools – they are trying to keep the runner thing from taking hold in football the way it has in basketball.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

What I meant

is that when the NCAA wrote the rulebook however many years ago, they didn’t anticipate the whole runner thing. Sure, now obviously they are taking notice, and that’s why they are going to put definite black and white rules in, if they haven’t already.

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

If somebody has that NCAA FAQ handy...

…now would be a good time to link it.

It’s pretty clear that this sort of thing was absolutely anticipated, and covered with the schools.

by Sundodger on Jan 23, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

you have to admit

your feelings are skewed based on your allegiances. as mine probably are too.

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Very true.

Really, the NCAA has to be one of the most bizare entities around.

by Sundodger on Jan 23, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

@ CODawg

You’re correct, I see things through green/yellow/black/carbon/anthracite/mirror/
carbon glasses. If it was UW’s balls on the chopping block, I’d be cheering on the NCAA.

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

“UO paid Lyles for influence with player(s).”

That says it all right there.

by Snostrebla on Jan 23, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

"At worst"

RIC, my friend, RIC

Neither I nor you know exactly what happened. I was just thinking worst case scenario.

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that's the BEST case scenario . . .

The question is when did that influence begin? IF the NCAA believes it started earlier, say Darron Thomas or LMJ, then Oregon is in deep ____.

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 23, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

That is the only scenario. Only question now is how long it’s been going on.

by Snostrebla on Jan 23, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

The ATQ people have issues

I’m concerned about us, I don’t give two cents about oregon or their coach. I think sanctions will be brought down on them sooner or later, but beyond that, I don’t care about Oregon.

by datboyeddiep on Jan 23, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly…do we even care about Oregon? To me they are a program that has had its 30 minutes of fame prior to the coming NCAA directed implosion.

No offense, but I haven’t ever seen an UWDP article with as many comments as the one last night with the tweet that Chip was going to TB. It was 95% UW fans as well.

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok

But put the shoe on the other foot. If the report was that Sark was negotiating an NFL contract, what would you expect the traffic to look like over at ATQ?

by TualatinDawg on Jan 23, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

ATQ would light up, that would be a big topic. But if the main manager of ATQ made a comment like “Honestly, do we even care about Washington”? after having a huge amount of Oregon fans, including the main manager, commenting on the issue just hours prior, it would sound kinda funny, no?

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly…do we even care about Oregon?
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by John Berkowitz on Jan 23, 2012 8:38 AM PST

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

also

this is in no way a personal attack on anyone. I was just pointing out what I thought was an inconsistency.

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

My point is...

This a Husky blog and we are spending too much time talking about Oregon.

No offense also to the Duck posters we have left…as always thanks for the contribution.

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 23, 2012 12:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Fair enough

It is enjoyable having a reasonable discussion/debate with your rival though.

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Which you can NOT find at ATQ.

Too many immature idiots.

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 23, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know--

if a Husky fan goes on there, is reasonable and doesn’t spout off, generally they’re treated pretty well. Heck, Gekko was on there during Chipocalypse last night and everyone seemed pretty civil. There’s always going to be a few exceptions, though.

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

ATQ

Is a bunch of immature little twits, you can’t even has a grown up discussion amongst Oregon fans, let alone opposing fans.

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 23, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

There are some turds from our group who've gone and trolled over there

I’d like to think I’ve been above it when I’ve posted over there. I’ve had debates, but it’s never devolved into madness. Some of the guys over there are great, some aren’t…at all. I don’t like the direction they’ve gone in the past year or so. Most of you are awesome when you’re around here, even if you’re spewing some 8 in a row nonsense.

FWIW, if the community members say terrible things about me over there, so be it. I’d expect that from the general population. I do, however, hold the mods to a higher standard.

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I definitely wasn't above it after the Wave.

But I won’t be doing that again. Even though I did get a few of them to admit that if they were gonna run over here and shout 0-12 that I could shout 0-95 it’s still totally pointless.

And now, for my very elaborate and college-educated plan!'

by StuHamm on Jan 23, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

true
It is enjoyable having a reasonable discussion/debate with your rival though.

Unfortunately, the number of Duck fans with this interest is dwindling. We now deal with a community full of diaper dandies who are more interest in zings, barbs, snarks, and repeating tired memes. Unfortunately, me and other the old-timers over here just don’t get it.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
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by Gekko Mojo on Jan 24, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the root of the problem . . .

bq.me and other the old-timers over here just don’t get it.

The Husky Program has been successful for decades, we have a very wide range of age groups among our fans. Due to our recent dark decade, I’d say we are probably a bit “mature” for a fan base.

The complete opposite is true of Oregon. Zero history, zero long term success has created an exceptionally young and immature fan base. It’s no wonder they are considered the worst fans in the country.

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"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 24, 2012 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

ok

thought you were refering to a different comment

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Dont read that often eh?

And there was a lot of back and forth between very few people. It was pretty late mind you.

These last couple threads have been power houses of hyperbole and exaggeration. Everyone needs to dial back the rhetoric.

by Drew_D on Jan 23, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

I do peruse UWDP on a regular basis, kind of like how many on UWDP browse ATQ. Not counting game threads, I haven’t seen a thread with that many comments. (I wasn’t online for the whole greenout thing so I don’t know how many comments there were on that). Just thought it was interesting, that’s all.

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

What happens at Oregon

affects UW. I think you would agree that it goes both ways.

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely

I just took a little exception to some UW fans blowing it off like its no big deal, when it seemed to be big news and the source of a lot of discussion last night, thats all. Carry on!

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by quack785 on Jan 23, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes Hohn, I care about Oregon, inasmuch that they are still the team to beat win the North Division.

Until we push them off that perch, we should be paying attention.

Maybe I’m out of step, but unless they were using these faux recruiting services to make payments under the table, I’d rather see minor sanctions as these ‘rules’ seem a LOT less clear than mud.
- I could be wrong about situation for Ducks; if so please correct me
- would dearly love to be able to beat them on the field straight up. Again & again and again . . .

by HuskyInExile on Jan 23, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

He's like a 5 year old

he can’t sack up and apologize. Even if he feels he did no wrong, he pissed off people and crossed a line with them. If he could so much as say “I’m not really sorry for what I did but I’m sorry it upset you” instead of acting like an infant, I’d find him much more tolerable.

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Seriously, I was trying to read ATQ overnight

since they know more than I do, obviously. I couldn’t even read their stupid celebration thread without him constantly bitching. When I said goodbye to my 11 month old son this morning, he was smashing his toys on the coffee table. I took it away and he flung himself on the ground and threw a tantrum. The major difference is that he forgot about it 5 minutes later. Matt Daddy is going on 3 days of solid rectal trauma over the matter.

It goes back to the theme that their site has been overrun by a high school mentality. They’re all children, except the children. Axemen23 and QRSouther (I’ll leave Benzduck out of this since I kinda like him) present a more reasoned and adult argument than most of the other posters who aren’t regulars on this site. I used to love heading over there for a spirited debate, and most times it would remain just that. Lately it seems like they’ve devolved into a mess of crappy memes and CGB ripoffs. I shouldn’t lump them all together, because it’s really just Matt Daddy and a couple of the guys who have it out for all Huskies, but they ruin the blog for people who’d even just like to lurk.

/rant

Sorry for threadjack JB.

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Very well said.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 23, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Chip

Obviously, I meant Chip not Phil, although the two of them are so tied together it is hard to differentiate.

by 61Dawg on Jan 23, 2012 7:54 AM PST reply actions  

Hmmmm

Would it shock anyone if the Ducks decided to do all this to bring the attention back to them after the week or two of amazing Huskies news?

I know it’s really super far fetched, but with all the love the Huskies have been getting for getting Tosh and Keisau and Wilcox and Sirmon, seems like it’s a nice way to put the Ducks back on the frontpage.

As they say any publicity is good publicity.

by MNDawgfan on Jan 23, 2012 8:36 AM PST reply actions  

Nah

They came oh so close to losing Kelly..and they still will…he will jump at the right job.

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 23, 2012 8:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Have the Colts hired a coach yet?

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 23, 2012 9:36 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

No.

Doesn’t apply to the NFL.

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 23, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope.

They hired him as a consultant last year, and made him wait 7 games before beginning his job. So that gets them around the whole being hypocritcal compared with how Pryor was handled by the NFL, even if it shouldn’t.

by Mind of no mind on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

BEST GIF EVER

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by JLee2025 on Jan 23, 2012 9:52 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks!

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 23, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Love to stay and chat

but I’m off to work on the new Baseball Clubhouse at the Ball field today!

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 10:10 AM PST reply actions  

Work?

What is that??

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 23, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

So just curious about 2012 from UW fans

With all the personnel moves, what do you think would be a good season for 2012? Do you think the moves will have immediate impact (if at all)?

I mentioned before but I’m a Duck in Seattle so I have a lot of respect for Husky fans and the program in general and have seen just about every Husky game for the past 5 years.

by skyo12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:22 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

Its a tough schedule, but I want to see at least a 1 game improvement over last year. I’m really hoping for 9+, but 8 would be considered a success in my eyes.

by SeaHuskies on Jan 23, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds about right

2013 seems like the year to make a run. KP, Kasen, ASJ, Cascade front, Timu, Fui, Shelton, Jamora, Parker, Sample and the list goes on will all be upper classmen. This year, I’m hoping for an (mostly) injury free 7-5 year with a bowl win and an marked improvement on defense.

by B Money on Jan 23, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Tough question...

With the defense taking a leave-of-absence for the year, still managed 7 wins and could have had an 8th if KP was healthy for OSU. Pending ANY increase in defensive effectiveness, I think 8 with an option on a 9th would fit the bill.

by TualatinDawg on Jan 23, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

schedule is a tough one

And I really have no idea what a realistic expectation of improvement under the new defensive staff is.

I know that replacing Chris Polk is going to be tough. Stanford did fine after Gerhart left, but I also think their OL was a lot more established than ours.

Without knowing exactly what our roster situation will be next year (i.e. what instant-impact frosh may sign with us), I’d venture a very rough expectation of 7-8 wins.

I do expect that 2013 should be a 10+ win year – the way the roster is shaping up points to that being the year that the Huskies make their big push for a Pac-12 title.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I completeley agree.

7-9 wins next year, and a run at the conference title in 2013.

by UW11Bowdown on Jan 23, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Love the hope here

but I still have to see the D-Line and LB’s come to life and where our LT will come from:

PORTLAND STATE – W
NEVADA – W
at LSU – L
at California – L
UTAH – W? (Much depends on the health of Jordan Wynn)
at Colorado – Toss-up (Col is MUCH better at home)
STANFORD – Toss-up (Is Luck/DeCastro/Martin and Co worth 63 pts?)
at Arizona – Toss-up (Another team that is always tough at home)
at Oregon – L
USC – L
OREGON STATE – W
at Washington State – Toss-up (A healthy Jeff Tuel makes this team completely different)

If we win the “Toss-up” games – then I think we win 7

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 4:19 AM PST up reply actions  

WOW

At Cal? I see a very winnable game
at CU toss up? No way they lose there QB and have serious depth problems still. They are not much better at home. THey are just terrible
At Arizona. Maybe thats a toss up
at WSU – we will be ready.

I am not concerned about the D line. I think we will be better, i am a little worried about MLB but we have knew coaches, and i have only a small concern at LT

by CODawg on Jan 24, 2012 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m a little more optimistic than onewoodwacker.

Portland State: W
Nevada: W
LSU: L
California: W
Utah: W
Colorado: W
Stanford: L
Arizona: W
Oregon: L
USC: L
Oregon State: W
Washington State: W

All things considered, an 8-win season would be respectable.

by UWDawgyDawg on Jan 24, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

"expect that 2013 should be a 10+ win year"

What if KP lights it up, and goes to the NFL a year early?

New QBs in the Pac-x have very rarely produced 10 wins, and especially at schools not named USC.

What happens to expectations then?

(Serious question; I realize there is probably still seriously raw nerves after the actions of our two sets of neighbors to the south.)

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by AndyPanda on Jan 23, 2012 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Valid point

I think Sark put’s KP in the Basement until after January 15th (I think that’s the date they need to file for the NFL).

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 23, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Hypothetically?

I think that would temper expectations. However, let’s see how 2012 goes first.

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 23, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

as much as I love KP...

…I don’t see that happening. He doesn’t have the size and arm strength that makes NFL scouts drool. I don’t see him as an early-entry risk, no matter how much he lights up the stat sheets.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Possibly,

but 1 year ago today, the list of people who had RG III as a first round pick and probably the 2nd qb taken, and Darron Thomas out of Quack town, with degree in hand, was a very short list.

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by AndyPanda on Jan 23, 2012 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

with all due respect to KP...

…RG3 is a better physical specimen. Stronger arm, better/faster runner, more solidly built, taller.

I suppose if KP is able to put on a good 15-20 pounds of solid weight and his arm strength improves, he may get some early entry consideration, but I don’t see it.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think there's a chance.

Price is listed at 6’ 1", and 195 lbs. He might be 6’ tall, and I bet he doesn’t weigh much more than 180. When you see him without pads, you’d never guess that he was a D1 football player, much less a very successful one.

He was hurt virtually the entire 2011 season. To his credit, he played through it for the most part. But at his size, that injury history (if you want to call it that) would be a factor in a team drafting him even if he was healthy all of 2012.

I think the only way Price goes pro early is if he gets bad advice. I’d love for him to have a great enough season to make the decision tough, though.

by Sundodger on Jan 24, 2012 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

The NFL isn’t as impressed by gaudy college stats as some fans. Let’s keep an eye on where Kellen Moore is drafted, because that will tell us a lot about how the NFL might view Price. Price is maybe a touch bigger than Moore, and might have a bit stronger arm, and the NFL probably likes right-handed QB’s more than lefties, but Moore also has had a phenomenal career that Price would be fortunate to match.

Hopefully Ivan can help Price get to a more solidly built 200 lbs or so, but you’re right – KP is a slender kid that doesn’t look like you’re prototypical QB.

Sark (and others) have compared KP to Charlie Ward, and I think that’s a really good comp. And while the NFL has become a bit less narrow in their view on what a QB should look like since Ward was a player, they still like them a lot bigger (and stronger-armed) than where KP is now.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

lol!

Definitely worth a green rec!

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by AndyPanda on Jan 23, 2012 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

If Price were to leave early those expectations would obviously change.

Having an outstanding senior QB in Keith Price is a huge reason why we all expect 2013 to be a great year. I’m not sure why you’re even questioning whether expectations would change if he left, of course they would!

by UW11Bowdown on Jan 23, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

also

if he is that good this coming year. I would guess we win 10 in 2012 so…

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure KP looks like a stud QB prospect ...

… and I think he has a few more brain cells left than does Darron Thomas.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
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by Gekko Mojo on Jan 24, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

8 wins

plus bowl win should be the minimum

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

If general consensus is >=8 wins

What if they fall short? Would give the new coaching staff a pass for the transition period, or will it be a failure? And looking at the schedule, it’s definitely a possibility for less than 8 wins.

by skyo12 on Jan 23, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It's certianly not good.

But it sort of depends on how they get there. If they go 7-5 or 6-6 with some key injuries but are competitive in every game, then it’s a minor failure. If they continue to get blown out and look disjointed, then it’s a failure.

by Sundodger on Jan 23, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I think everyone wants to see us play better defense overall, and not have any blowout losses. If the schedule is more difficult and we can still only pull out 7 wins, but play better overall, losing a few close games, I think the vast majority would be happy, as long as it looks like all three phases are doing their parts towards winning.
I think the general expectation is a better defense with the new staff and offense continuing to score often, and 8+ wins this year.

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by Carne Guisada on Jan 23, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be very disappointed

in less than 7 unless we have some injuries. Like KP for example. If he misses signifcant time we could be screwed.

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I do hope UW beats the hell out of LSU

I doubt they see a better offense than UW the rest of the season.

by skyo12 on Jan 23, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

i donno.

georgia has a pretty amazing offense. and we still would need to vastly improve our defense before that game because they might not see many defenses worse then us all year either.

by charles188 on Jan 23, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

It's wishful thinking obviously on behalf of the Pac-12

Their offense last year was pretty bad (their D and special teams had more say in how the game goes) and I don’t think they even averaged more than 400 yds/game. They probably had the most misleading 35pts/game output of any teams in the country.

Georgia has a pretty darn good D to support their offense which helps sure, but I don’t think their offense as a whole is that much better than UW if at all.

by skyo12 on Jan 23, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, you no longer have QRich @ DB.. that's a start

I couldn’t tell which player was worse during the Alamo bowl, QRich or #8 from Baylor (Morton I think?).

by skyo12 on Jan 23, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't think about it

Get flashbacks…start seizing…

by TualatinDawg on Jan 23, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Q-Rich

I just wish the kid had been exposed to better coaching. He had enough talent to be a good CB. Although I suspect there were personal issues that were affecting his ability to focus on football…

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I think his injury to start the year really set him back as well.

He was getting some good reviews during fall camp but then was forced to sit for a while and I don’t think he ever got it back.

by UW11Bowdown on Jan 23, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Although I suspect there were personal issues that were affecting his ability to focus on football…

Just a guess, or was there something going on with him?

by Sundodger on Jan 25, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I've seen hints at this from DM.com staffers

I hesitate to state that publicly as I have no idea if it’s true, but I already put it out there.

by kirkd on Jan 25, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard somewhere (I think it was Hugh on KJR) that D. Martin had our DB’s doing a bunch of reads at the snap of the ball and that it looked lie itreally slowed and confused the CB’s especially. That was one of the “dumb things down” that Holt kept alluding to in interviews. It never happened though as that’s justthe way D. Martin did things and it may have caused some tension between the D staff.

by Snostrebla on Jan 26, 2012 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

If we do

manage to somehow pull that off, expectations will be through the roof here the following Monday.

by SeaHuskies on Jan 23, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

if we beat LSU...

i think it’s possible just because our offense is so good and theirs is so bad. but i still don’t think it’s likely, sure they got shut out in the nati but they were playing one of the best defenses in the nation we’ll see how chris polk is feeling with these new receivers and running backs next year. having KW and ASJ back
doesn’t hurt though.

by charles188 on Jan 23, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree

1. Trap game, we have nothing to lose and everything to gain, they have a lot to lose and nothing much to gain
2. Scouting. We’ll have a completely new defense.

by Skeptical Dawg on Jan 23, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

NFL side of story

Reports from the NFL press side mentioned something very interesting. They said that because the last hire by TB was the youngest coach in the league, an important condition of the Kelly deal would be the Glazers (TB ownership) would have control over who were initially brought in to be the cordinators and assistants. If this is the case, I believe this had to be a big reason Kelly turned it down late in the hour.

by Regent Denali on Jan 23, 2012 4:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

shaq thompson

anyone else notice that he took down all his calgang stuff from his twitter page.

by charles188 on Jan 23, 2012 4:25 PM PST reply actions  

Fully agree

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 23, 2012 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

it's great on so many levels

First, it’s riffing off of one of the best bits ever on the Simpsons;
Second, it’s a damn clever bit of riffing given what went down;
Third, the expressions he used for Chip are awesome – as an animator myself, I tip my cap to LSUfreek’s sense of timing

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I chuckle at the expressions alone

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 23, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

A lot?

Which ones can I credit you with?

by B Money on Jan 24, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

worked at MS for a while

Pretty much all of the MS sports games for Xbox, including all of the NFL Fever games. Current project is unannounced, but the most recent release I worked on was Lord of the Rings: War In the North.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm

I’m not hardcore so I mostly stick to the big titles. Is Forza an MS game? I played PGR back in the day too.

by B Money on Jan 24, 2012 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Cool. I had no idea. Beats my job

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
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by Gekko Mojo on Jan 24, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

best part of the MS sports experience...

…was getting to meet so many cool folks. Did motion capture work with a bunch of former Huskies – Tim Cowan (really good guy), Pete Kaligis (who has great Emtman stories), Lynn Johnson, Willie Hurst (Willie was awesome – got him to recreate his spin move from the Arizona game), Mario Bailey (really good guy, very soft-spoken). Also got to meet Peyton Manning a couple times (he was our cover-guy) – total pro, no entitlement attitude whatsoever, very much like his dad.

We also had some coaches come in and give our team chalk-talks. Best one was Jim Zorn: “Defenses are evil” (Jim is a funny guy).

Fun times. But once EA decided to support Xbox Live, MS had no more use for our group and shut us down.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds cool

My kids got to meet Peyton in Breckenridge one year. They were 11 or 12 and they talked about how cool he was. My daughter has been a huge Manning fan ever since.

by CODawg on Jan 25, 2012 7:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't know you were in the creative business.

I am looking to get into the comic book business as an illustrator.

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 24, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

rec rec rec ...

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by AndyPanda on Jan 23, 2012 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

moot point now

I think he meant “WSU and Washington”, but Rivals is reporting he’s down to Cal & WSU.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Thought Cedric was going to take an official here, no?

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 23, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

he just said he was considering it

by CODawg on Jan 23, 2012 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

doesn't sound like it now

Just going off of info that Condotta linked to, but according to Rivals we appear to be out of it for him. Not a big surprise – he wants to play WR, he doesn’t appear to believe that Sark really wants him there, and there are reportedly personal reasons why Dozier wants to (and would probably be wise to) get away from home.

by kirkd on Jan 23, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Recruiting updates

Shaq Thompson – Hasn’t re-confirmed anything. Kelly obviously hurt his chances by cancelling their athome this weekend. Appears to be rescheduled for this coming weekend. Analysts are saying Huskies have a stronger chance of landing him. Ducks are trying to sell him that not only will he play S, but would be brought in for wildcat snaps.

Jordan Payton – From all his tweats, had a great time at UW this weekend. Keith Price helped show him around the facilities. Analysts seem to be more confident he’s going to commit to UW now.

Jake Eldrenkamp – Visited by Sark tonight at home. No woof tweat tonight :( but we could still be in the lead.

Zach Banner – Lots of talk of him set to pick USC. Bummer….

Damariay Drew – commited to Cal today.

Erik Armstead – Many home visits this week and next. UW on Thurs.

Kenny Walker – Says nearly committed to UCLA last week, but still to visit UW this week.

Cedric Dozier – Visited WSU and liked it. Will choose between WSU and Cal right now.

Brandon Beaver – Claims Arizona has filled all their CB spots so one less school to worrry about for Sark. Still wants to visit Okla.

Cyler Miles – Kiffen pushing hard to flip him from UW commit to come to USC. Looks like USC is planning to use the Alabama system to sign as many recruits as they want, even with the NCAA sanctions. Big shocker……….

by Regent Denali on Jan 24, 2012 2:19 AM PST reply actions  

Regent Denali

While I love your list, the thing that blows me away is that you only list 2 OL players and one DL (Armstead) player.

I can’t imagine in my wildest dreams that this class could be considered a success with 2 OL commits and not one high school DT commit.

We both (all) know, you do NOT win games when you don’t control the LOS. We had VERY low recruiting numbers on the O&D Line last season; we can NOT go through another recruiting class with the same type numbers or we are in for a “disaster” year somewhere down the road.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 4:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks...

But these are only the big names that we’re still trying to land.

For the lines, we’ve already landed commits from:

OT Nathan Dean and C Cory English

DE’s Malcolm Jackson, Kalei Auelua, Cory Littleton, Damion Turpin, and DT Josh Banks.

It’s not looking so bleak, especially if we land EldrenKamp. I really, really, really wish Banner would still commit to us.

by Regent Denali on Jan 24, 2012 5:16 AM PST up reply actions  

he's missing Shane Brostek on that list

Still a pretty good chance the Dawgs land Brostek.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Good catch

Yes, forgot to put Shane Brostek on that list as well. Haven’t heard anything more about him recently. I know Norm Chow is pursuing him hard to stay home and commit to UofH now that he’s the new HC there.

by Regent Denali on Jan 24, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Kelly has an in home with Shaq...

on Friday.

"I love Oregon's obsolete recruiting report on an unhealthy level. Just more proof how balla Chip Kelly really is." Dr. Saturday

by BisonDucks on Jan 24, 2012 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Eldrenkamp

Is announcing tomorrow on Softy’s show.

by TualatinDawg on Jan 24, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

that he's doing it on Softy's show...

…would seem to be a good omen.

However enough weirdness has happened this year in recruiting that I’m not assuming anything. That KeiVarae Russell was announcing at his school on the same day as the Huskies’ bowl game, and yet picked Notre Dame – and dissed the UW in the process with the way he made his selection – means that conventional wisdom can’t be counted on.

Softy is a Bellevue alum, so it might be about doing a favor to him rather than knowing that, as a Husky Honk, people would expect he’ll pick the Dawgs.

All that said, I’ll still be surprised if he picks WSU over UW.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Softy probably

tried to get the inside scoop already

by CODawg on Jan 24, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure he has

He was trading messages via Twitter with the Bellevue HS Football account last night (not sure if Goncharoff runs that feed or not).

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

yes

Doesn’t make it any less of a slap in the face to the UW though, when you take everything into account.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think so.

I think people just take stuff like that way too personally.

The stuff about his mom hating UW or whatever afterwards was different, but announcing that day didn’t mean anything special.

by UW11Bowdown on Jan 24, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

it's not just the day

It’s the way he did it – reaching for the UW hat, then the lights go off and the Notre Dame fight song plays. Really? You’re really going to pull that in your hometown gym where most of the people there are probably UW fans?

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

The fact that he canceled due to people speculating he was going to UW, and “backlash” he received makes me think he might be going to WSU after all.

by SeaHuskies on Jan 24, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't panic.

The Jake Eldrenkamp situation is unique because he’a a major academic and been offered financial packages to Ivy League schools like Yale.

Both his parents are UW grads and he grew up cheering for Huskies.

WSU doesn’t even rank in the Top 100 of Div1 schools when it comes to academics. I don’t think WSU is the problem here folks.

It’s a good sign that he was ready to announce a commit after meeting with Sark. It’s possible he realized he’d still have to make a lot of other phone calls and contacts first before he makes his intentions public.

Michael Kneip, who plays with Jake at Bellevue, was also offered by Yale, and turned them down to walk-on at UW. This could also help with his final decision.

by Regent Denali on Jan 24, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Good Point

Honestly, I’m done speculating about recruits (this year at least) until all the LOI’s are signed, sealed, and delivered.

by SeaHuskies on Jan 24, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s rumored that once Jake announced that he was going to make his decision known on the Softy show a bunch of Cougars jumped all over him. So much so that he re considered doing this publically. If I were him or any other recruit, at this point, I’d call the coach I want to commit to and tell him and then unplug my phone until Feb. 2.

by Snostrebla on Jan 24, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly..

DO you really think he is a lock be wise he is announcing on Softy’s show? I think it still 50/50.

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 24, 2012 4:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

not a lock...

…but I’d be surprised if he picked WSU. His folks are UW people, he’s smart and values his education, it’d be a big reach to think that WSU is in better shape moving forward as a program than the UW, and if he went to WSU, he’d be going from mostly run-blocking at Bellevue to mostly pass-blocking with the Cougs – not necessarily the best fit for him.

I guess we’ll see.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I honestly think Banner stays

He preaches about FOE and wants to play basketball. Those 2 points right there says UW, I believe Danny Shelton last year had his greatest trip to *regon and still came here. Just a gut feeling on him and my 2 cents.

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 24, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

FOE

I had hoped that family would be the reason Zach would end up with the UW, but the comments he made after his USC visit regarding his parents:

"I think what stuck out the most was how comfortable my parents were," said Banner. "They loved it. It’s going to be a hard one."

…gives me pause.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Kiffen

most likely promised him he’ll be fast tracked into the LT position with Matt Kalil heading to the NFL draft. Banner appears to have made up his mind. He annouced that he will say where he is going this coming Monday and will sign on LOI day with Lakes teammates.

by Regent Denali on Jan 24, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

it's not that much of a stretch either

If you look at USC’s roster, they’re not really any more stocked at T than the UW is.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm still holding onto hope!

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 24, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Love the hope here

but I still have to see the D-Line and LB’s come to life and where our LT will come from:

PORTLAND STATE – W
NEVADA – W
at LSU – L
at California – L
UTAH – W? (Much depends on the health of Jordan Wynn)
at Colorado – Toss-up (Col is MUCH better at home)
STANFORD – Toss-up (Is Luck/DeCastro/Martin and Co worth 63 pts?)
at Arizona – Toss-up (Another team that is always tough at home)
at Oregon – L
USC – L
OREGON STATE – W
at Washington State – Toss-up (A healthy Jeff Tuel makes this team completely different)

If we win the "Toss-up" games – then I think we win 7

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 4:21 AM PST reply actions  

Nevada?

That game has been rescheduled for a couple years down the road now. We play San Diego State instead 2012.

San Diego State
@ LSU
Portland State

by Regent Denali on Jan 24, 2012 5:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks -

I forgot that Scout didn’t update the schedule yet. I knew that change but completely forgot.

That said, I still think we beat SDSU.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

L to Cal?

and a toss up to Col?

I am with the thinking that UW will be 5-1 again next season heading into the “tough” part of the schedule. I think they go 8-4 next year with Stanford being the big toss up game due to their massive losses to the NFL 1st round. Again, this is all based on KP staying healthy and our defense taking at least one step forward (top 80 def too much to ask for??).

This is all speculation obviously and I love thinking about this teams future!!

Side Note – Anyone going to the LSU game? I am looking at flights and hotels already…finding flight and hotel prices around $400 round trip with 2 nights. Anyone have any good sites they use or travel agents? I am flying from Philadelphia but my dad will be leaving from Seattle.

by bigdave967 on Jan 24, 2012 7:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah,

unfortunately, I see a loss coming at Cal. IMO – we just have so many questions along the lines. We can only speculate that Hatchie will win the LT spot (I know, most think the job is Kohler’s to lose – I don’). We (Cozzetto) had plenty of opportunities to get Eric snaps at the LT spot last season, but when they replaced Kelemete – it was Hatchie who got those reps. For me, that says a ton.

There are those who will make the argument: “why switch two (Kohler to LT – Riva/Hatchie to RT) when you can keep consistency by only replacing Kelemete with Hatchie?” But, LT is such an important position – maybe one of the top two in football – and the person who will be taking over that spot needs as many reps as he can get. When the opportunity presented itself, the shot went to Hatchie.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Kohler

Is a guard. Like would prefer him inside

by CODawg on Jan 24, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree CODawg

I would be VERY surprised to see Kohler go to LT and mildly surprised if he stays at RT. LG, right next to Hatchie, is where I too think he will end up. I aslo the Ben Riva is going to be REAL tough to beat out at RT.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure Cozzetto would put him at G if he had better options at T

Clearly last year Cozz thought Kohler was better at T than Hatchie, Riva & Fancher. And now we have to replace Kelemete, so that means Riva or Charles would have to beat out Kohler. Might happen, partially because Tanigawa probably won’t be ready to return to starting at LG, and Riva/Charles might be better options at RT than Atoe/Criste/Tufunga are at LG.

The issue is we have more interior linemen than true tackles.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

not enough tackles

thats a good point. Also, why i have been surprised that we havent landed Banner yet. He could probably start as a freshman.

by CODawg on Jan 24, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

he could get early playing time here

But he could also get early playing time at USC with Kalil leaving.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I kinda doubt that...

Though it’s certainly within the realm of possiblity with injuries and the funny way the football bounces…He will hopefully think about the differences of “having a good time” when visiting Cali. and “living” there? Also, getting coached up here “on the job”..and: “hoops”? Seattle is where it’s all at…I hope.

by gliderdawg on Jan 24, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont know USC depth chart

But I would assume they have a left tackle ready that is better than Banner is today.

by CODawg on Jan 24, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

not necessarily

With Kalil leaving early, they have 4 guys on their roster currently listed as tackles – one of which is a former walk-on.

Banner probably has nearly as good a shot to start right away at USC as he does here.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

That schedule is way off

San Diego State
@LSU
Portland State
BYE
Stanford
@Oregon
USC
@Arizona
OSU
@Cal
Utah
@Colorado
@WSU

Tough sledding in the first 6 games

by zifnab32 on Jan 24, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Thank you.

I was certain that UW schedule was much tougher early than the one posted above. We’ll probably be 2-4 heading into the game @Arizona. I really hope we can steal one of those 3 games after the bye.

by Mind of no mind on Jan 24, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I think we win

at least one against USC or Stanford. Both… I can only dream

by CODawg on Jan 24, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Think we

got a very good chance of beating Stanford at Clink next year. I like our chances in that game. Stanford is losing Luck, 2 Olineman who should be picked in the 1st round of NFL draft too, and a bunch of other key players.

by Regent Denali on Jan 24, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly

I dont think people realize how much Luck and the OL did for that team. Yeah they were a good team without them but I bet they were only an 8 win team at best without them

by CODawg on Jan 25, 2012 7:28 AM PST up reply actions  

True

But they often play with 7 OL on the field at once in their “Jumbo” package. The backups, while not as hyped as the 2 guys they lost, have plenty of experience. You could almost argue that Kelemete will be a bigger loss for us in terms of the experience level that will replace him.

by SeaHuskies on Jan 25, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a good point,

although we don’t necessarily know if the two guys that came in in that package are the guys that replace DeCastro and Martin.

Even if they were, it’s probably more about talent than experience, though. Stanford is losing two first-round draft picks. And really, as far as experience goes, if Hatchie becomes the fifth starter next season, he’s got as much or more experience as anybody that Stanford has as a replacement, and in real game situations as opposed to just a situational personnel package.

by Sundodger on Jan 25, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

next year...

…is the year we really start finding out how well Harbaugh stocked the cupboards and how good of a coach Shaw is.

My guess is a pretty significant drop-off, like down to 7-8 wins. Maybe I’m underestimating the returning defense, and maybe the new QB will be damn good, but I’d put good money they come down off their BCS Bowl perch and fall back to the pack a bit.

by kirkd on Jan 25, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

But there sure hasn’t been much of a dropoff in recruiting for them so far. Could still be the back-to-back BCS afterglow, but if Garnett ends up there, they might have the best o-line class in the nation.

But, as you said, it’s going to come down to how good a coach Shaw is moving forward.

by Sundodger on Jan 26, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

they should be quite good for a while

Given the way recruiting is going for them this year, and in general since Harbaugh got there, I don’t expect to see them slide back to an under-.500 program unless Shaw is a complete train-wreck.

But the immediate departures of Luck, DeCastro, Martin, Fleener & Masifilo to me point to a drop back to 7-8 win territory next year. It’s certainly possible the OL development has continued to be outstanding and Nottingham will be a really good QB, and they are more like a 9-10 win team, but I’m guessing they’ll fall back a bit more than that this year.

Long term though, seems like Stanford is poised to be a consistent Pac-12 North contender.

by kirkd on Jan 26, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

9-3 is a good possibility

with losses to LSU, Oregon, and U$C. Finish second in the north and be ready for a rose bowl push in 2013. Other than the Oregon loss I’d be extremely happy with that.

by rabidDAWGfan82 on Jan 24, 2012 11:54 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Why Does Dawgman ...

Show Cyler Miles without an offer from USC? I was under the impression he’s going to consider his options…leaning towards being a Dawg? I really want him to bring it here where he’ll get better/more personalized coaching for a possible NFL future…and fewer bodies to fight through for PT!

by gliderdawg on Jan 24, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe they didnt offer

Just because he visited doesnt mean they offered. That would surprise me though.

by CODawg on Jan 24, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Scout.com

has updated his status from commit to soft verbal on the UW list. Most likely because of USC renewed interest and his recent visit. I hope he sticks to his commit with us. From his language, it appears USC pushing very hard, but he’s still leaning to UW.

USC doesn’t have a real QB commit this year. But they are already loaded with qbs on their roster, even when Barkley leaves next year. That logjam might keep him away.

by Regent Denali on Jan 24, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Just when

I thought that the Josh Garnett sting was healing, I hear that he has decided to set up a public announcement at Puyallup High School – wth? This may sound a bit like sour grapes, I’m sorry, but I don’t like the fact that he’s going to announce at Puyallup HS.

Puyallup High School has been a “pipeline” to the University of Washington for decades. 80% of this town/high school are UW fans and the other 20% are WSU fans. Josh has already publically taken UW off the list and that was bad enough, now he’s going to rub it in with this forum?

I live in Puyallup and have watched him play for many years. This decision was/is a HUGE blow around these parts. IMHO – he needs to do this privately and be on his way.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 3:42 PM PST reply actions  

That's ridiculous.

He can announce wherever he wants

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 24, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

He is a big time recruit that deserves his moment in the sun if he wants it. Why wouldn’t he announce it at the school he has played ball at for the past 4 years?

by SeaHuskies on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

It is for him

Moment in the sun is relative. For some kids, it’s a hat dance on ESPNU. For others, it’s a ceremony at a gym full of friends, family and peers. Personally I find the latter to be much more satisfying.

by B Money on Jan 24, 2012 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe in your community,

but in ours – right here in Puyallup – this isn’t being greeted with much hoop-la.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I get what you're saying. And I'm from that area.

But it isn’t about you, and it isn’t about Puyallup. It’s about Garnett. Don’t follow it if it bothers you so much. I’d love to have him move from the purple and gold into the purple and gold. It isn’t going to happen. I’m as disappointed as the next Husky fan. Probably moreso. But there’s no point in booing a kid that’s making a great decision both football and academic-wise. I’ll never cheer for him, but I certainly don’t root for him to fail.

by Sundodger on Jan 24, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I NEVER said

I was going to boo him and I NEVER would, nor would I EVER root for him to fail. Those two things are not in my DNA.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

So what?

I’m seeing some inconsideration from you. Respect his wishes to announce his decision wherever he wants to announce it, whether at school or behind the dumpster.

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 24, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

He is going to Stanford

That has been the reality for the past two years… Good for him..,I never jump on a kid for choosing academics.

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 24, 2012 4:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Neither do I

didn’t say a word about him going to Stanford or Michigan.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Why should he care what you think?

Why are you taking this personally? It’s his choice and the community of Puyallup should be ecstatic that he has been succesful enough to earn a scholarship to any school in the country.

He doesn’t owe you anything.

by UW11Bowdown on Jan 24, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, never said he did -

I know it may be hard for some here to understand this but picture John Brockman getting his entire tight-nit Snohomish community together and saying to them: Love ya, thanks for the years of support, I’m going to UCLA.

Sorry, it has an effect down here.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude, you are WAY overblowing this. Big time.

Puyallup as a school, and Puyallup as a town will NOT turn there backs on him. Like I said above, I’m from that area. They’re going to celebrate a local kid making good, even if it’s not at the college of their choice.

I’d love to see Josh become a Husky. Really, really love it. But there is simply no logical way that you can say he’s making a bad choice. It’s not the choice you (or I) would like to see him make. But it’s one that’s going to lead him on to success. Just not your success. Or my success.

by Sundodger on Jan 24, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

doesn't bug me

Josh already eliminated the UW from consideration, so I don’t really care where he announces. I’d feel completely different if the UW were still in it but he was announcing for elsewhere, but he’s already ruled us out.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Sundodger, I ONLY said:

I do not agree with his decision to hold his press conference at Puyallup High School. Just make his decision privately and go on his way about his business.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 4:25 PM PST reply actions  

Why?

He’s a Viking. He played football there. It was at Puyallup that he gained the respect and noteriety that’s going to get him into Michigan or Stanford. This isn’t a slap in the face to the UW, or the UW fans in Puyallup. While I hate the whole “announcement” thing in general, Josh has been about as low-key as one of the top recruits in the country has ever been. He’s been INCREDIBLY straightforward with his recruitment, and where the UW sat in it.

Like I said, I hate the publicity that announcements like this generate. But it exists, and it ain’t going away. So, given that, should only kids that are attending their local school get to announce at their high school (in front of coaches, friends, and family)?

by Sundodger on Jan 24, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

WTH??

Sundodger, I ONLY said that I don’t agree with his decision to announce at Puyallup High School.

Never said ANYONE in this community was turning their backs on him – only said his choice of forum isn’t getting a whole lot of hoop-la.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 4:27 PM PST reply actions  

Here's what you said.
Josh has already publically taken UW off the list and that was bad enough, now he’s going to rub it in with this forum

The fact that you think his choice to announce at his high school is “rubbing it in” shows how personally you are taking this.

by UW11Bowdown on Jan 24, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do you think it's ok just because he already eliminated UW?

There would be nothing wrong with him choosing Stanford over UW at Puyallup either.

by UW11Bowdown on Jan 24, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

that would be a little more of a slap in the face

Up until this year, it was quite unusual for a local recruit to do an announcement ceremony, with the decision not yet publicly known, and not pick the UW. Used to be if a recruit was going to go somewhere else, he’d just make an announcement without the big ceremony, or he’d do it elsewhere (like Heaps did, announcing it in Utah).

When you have the local team still in the mix and you are having a big hoopla ceremony and you don’t pick the local team – that comes across as a bit disrespectful.

Since Josh has already eliminated the UW, there’s no feelings to be hurt by finding out his ultimate decision – that band-aid was already pulled off and Husky fans don’t have their hopes up.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Cedric Dozier

annouced that he’s sticking to his Cal commit today.

by Regent Denali on Jan 24, 2012 4:29 PM PST reply actions  

Good for him

Pick the school…not the coach…good job Cedric.

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 24, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Sark

was up at Skyline H.S. yesterday, along with Leach, and reps from Cal meeting with QB Max Browne.

This is the kid who took over when Jake Heaps left. And he’s very, very good. He’s already got offers from Oklahoma, USC, Stanford, Washington, Colorado, Utah, Clemson, and Wisconsin, and that was a few months ago. WSU has to be added to list now that Leach is visiting.

But Sark may have work cut out to get the first three I listed who he claims are his early favorities. He’s mentioned his unease with Lindquist and Miles coming to UW this class and what it would mean for his chances.

by Regent Denali on Jan 24, 2012 4:46 PM PST reply actions  

I'm not too worried about losing Browne outside of the precedent of all good Skyline QB's leaving the state.

If someone isn’t interested in competing for playing time than they probably shouldn’t come to UW. (or OU or USC for that matter)

by UW11Bowdown on Jan 24, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+7

Any QB that wants to play at one of the colleges that have been prominent in sending QB’s to the NFL simply has to want to compete. Part of the deal.

by HuskyInExile on Jan 24, 2012 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not like any top school is going to be any better

USC brought in Kessler and Wittek last year, Scroggins the year before. Cal has Hinder, Boehm, Kline. Hell even Mannion is locked in at OSU (I said that about Katz last year though). Point is that everyone has an heir apparent right now and you’re going to have to compete no matter where you go.

by B Money on Jan 24, 2012 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It's encouraging to see Sarkisian personally involved in Browne's recruitment.

I trust Sarkisian’s ability to recruit, especially when it comes to quarterbacks.

However, I’m not optimistic that UW’s current QB situation (which is very good) and the amount of competition that UW will have to land Browne is going to work in their favor.

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 24, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't think of a school that's about anywhere close to competing for titles

that doesn’t have at least 2 QB’s that are underclassmen who he’d have to compete with. If you don’t bring in a top QB prospect at least 2 out of 3 years, you’ve failed as a recruiter, which should tell Brown more than the depth chart.

by B Money on Jan 24, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

The Dawgs' depth at QB could change really quickly if Miles goes elsewhere.

And no matter where he goes, there’s going to be competition in front of him.

by Sundodger on Jan 25, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

All right -

I have respectfully been put in my place – my expression of not liking Josh’s public announcement at high school has been thoroughly thrashed. My deepest apologies to all who I may have been offended with my perception.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 5:16 PM PST reply actions  

It's not like that, man. I can totally understand your take on it.

Your opinion is welcomed, and has exactly as much value as anybody else’s does. I’d much rather he just make a phone call to the coach of the school to which he’s committing, and we all be on our way. None of this is personal whatsoever.

by Sundodger on Jan 24, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks you for -

excepting my apology. Honestly, I have always appreciated your inputs/insight and I sincerely hope I did not offend you or anyone here.

by onewoodwacker on Jan 24, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody is offended

I think most of us just think that you have it twisted in regards to his obligations. He could announce in Red Square and say “I’m going to WSU and then transfering to Oregon”. You don’t have to like it, but it’s his moment, and I think that I speak for a few people when I say, just let him have it.

by B Money on Jan 24, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Trust me

It stings all of us that Garnett is not becoming a Husky, BIG TIME. We understand the hurt, your views are welcome. I think with the WA recruits as a whole we tend to take it as an insult because they aren’t choosing the school we all love. What we have to understand is that they are all REALLY excited to tell all their friends and family about the decision, some people don’t like the public announcements and such, me, I don’t mind them so much because honestly this may be the biggest moment of their lives. Let them enjoy it.

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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 24, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

for me...

…he’s already done the damage I’m going to feel as a Husky fan. He’s already made it known he’s not picking the UW, so whatever he announces at his ceremony, it’s not a big deal to me either way.

I think he’s handled things well. I’m very disappointed he didn’t see the UW as his best option, and I’m disappointed that our staff didn’t convince him the Huskies were his best option, and I’m quite disappointed in how disconnected his dad seems to be from the program and how easy it is for him to say things publicly that can easily be construed as disrespectful of his alma mater, but Josh did the right thing by eliminating us before his final cut-downs – pull that band-aid off quickly and get it over with. He appears to be a great player and an intelligent kid, and I wish he’d picked the UW, but that ship has sailed.

So let him have his ceremony and enjoy it.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

To be totally honest...

I respect the decision…but this point going forward I could really care less….time to move one…he will never be one of us an that was his decision.

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by John Berkowitz on Jan 24, 2012 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

Josh's choice

no problem with that or how he handles it.
but when he went on a public forum and calls out Tosh Lupoi as having less ability to recruit and coach at UW than he could at Cal, my opinion of him as an intelligent young man was lowered significantly. especially since he was considered a legacy.

if all this plays out like it seems it will i will hope there will be an honest conversation that there is at least a perception by athletes and there parents that something is not quite right on Montlake. not to re-hash the past but to figure out how we repair this problem. seems like the 900lb gorilla no one wants to talk about.

by PandG on Jan 24, 2012 9:36 PM PST reply actions  

that's a distorted view of what Josh said

As far as the in-state whiffs this year, best guess is a perfect storm combination of kids looking to get away anyway and coaches that just weren’t getting it done in recruiting. One would have to think, looking at the recruiting reps of our new defensive coaches, that we’ve upgraded in that regard. Firing all of the remaining defensive coaches (with the exception of our ace Hawai’i recruiter) probably wasn’t 100% about the defensive performance…

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

he said Tosh used his relationship with Cal as a family as the reason to come to Cal

and could not do that at UW.
it came across as a dis to UW. how did you take it? you mentioned earlier that Scott has issues with UDub.
KR made an issue not picking UW.
Caleb Smith said he didn’t like our attitude.
ok, we can blame some of this on Cox being in charge of south sound.
i’m just saying there is a perception out there and more than a couple recruits have spoken negatively about their local school.

by PandG on Jan 24, 2012 11:10 PM PST reply actions  

I'm not saying there isn't/wasn't an issue with our staff with regards to recruiting

I think the purge of coaches was at least in some small part due to recruiting failures as well.

As for Josh – here was what he said about Tosh leaving Cal for UW:

I thought it was weird at first, just because Tosh was one of the guys who I never thought would move schools, because he would always preach the Cal-Berkeley pride and how he would never leave there and how he just loves Cal and how he wished I could be a part of Cal’s family. I saw him at the Under-Armour game and he was still preaching that stuff. He moves, all of a sudden, up to Washington and I thought it was just strange for his character. A job opportunity came about. It’s a business, so he had to make a business decision.

I don’t see anything in that quote about how he would do as a recruiter at UW. He makes the point about how Tosh sold Cal, and the logical conclusion that given how Tosh sold Cal and talked about it that it’s a bit odd that he left, though he acknowledges it was a business decision.

I think you’re reading things into that quote that aren’t there, unless you’ve seen additional statements that go beyond what I quoted above.

by kirkd on Jan 24, 2012 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I think so too...

sounds like an exeptionally articulate high schooler to me? That said…He Should Change His Mind! Woof…and such!

by gliderdawg on Jan 25, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

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