Eric Kiesau is leaving Cal to come to UW.
Kiesau was the Bears' wide receivers coach from 2002-05, before leaving to become the wide receivers coach and passing game coordinator in Boulder from 2006-08, and then the QB coach, assistant head coach and offensive coordinator for the Buffaloes from 2009-10, before returning to Berkeley to "get the band back together," with Tedford and offensive coordinator and offensive line coach Jim Michalczik.
I guess that the band is going to be playing a different tune and Sark is going to be leading the orchestra.
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Gooood…. gooood….
by Modrik Zutar on Jan 17, 2012 1:17 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Yes
Bringing Purple to Pullman
by Harry the Husky on Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Worthen Seems to think
That this could get us a visit by Dozier. The loss of Kiesau in addition to Lupoi might have been enough to get him thinking.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 1:25 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Dozier
Already starting to waiver. Said " I was ok with Tosh leaving but Kiesau was my WR coach"
by CODawg on Jan 17, 2012 1:26 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
So who's the QB coach?
Is it now officially Sarkisian? I’d hate to think Kiesau will be doing it. “Passing game coordinator” isn’t anything like “QB coach.”
by Sundodger on Jan 17, 2012 1:29 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
he was QB coach at CU too
I also heard Dougherty might move to QB coach or yes, Its probably Sark.
by CODawg on Jan 17, 2012 1:32 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Could be Kiesau or Dougherty . . .
both could coach the QB’s or WR’s. Either way, Sark will be involved and will be “coaching the coaches”.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
by Lear Pilot on Jan 17, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Dougherty coaching QBs
Condotta reporting latest speculation that Dougherty will coach QBs held same position at San Diego
by lorenzothedog on Jan 17, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'd much rather have a guy that's played the position. Moreso than any other position out there.
Tim Lappano was the QB coach here under Willingham, after playing running back. Unmitigated disaster.
by Sundodger on Jan 17, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
In Ty's defense
His QB’s were basically running backs.
by B Money on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Apparently I need to do my research.
Feeling better now….
by Sundodger on Jan 17, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
The Band is now playing “Bow Down To Washington!”
by NeuroDawg on Jan 17, 2012 1:40 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Can't imagine how Tedford's
feeling about now, other than pissed. Interesting to see what he does….
by hairofthedawg on Jan 17, 2012 1:49 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Don't go to Cal's blog without a spit-helmet on!
There’s the remnant rational voice….but it’s borderline bordertown! Almost “Quacklike”.
by gliderdawg on Jan 17, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I would love to see Tedford go after Peterson's staff
Their seems to be a huge trend in taking assistants out of Boise these days.
All I saw was purple
by crazidawg on Jan 17, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Cal coaching search suggestion
Doesn’t he who is not named still live in the Bay area?
by Juneautom on Jan 17, 2012 3:09 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
i was just over at the cal blog.
it’s funny to see how opposite the attitudes are at the two blogs. we seem pretty complacent but everyone over there is either depressed or incredibly hating UW. I have a feeling that next year were gonna be experiencing a lot of hate from the other schools in the PAC.
by charles188 on Jan 17, 2012 3:45 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
We'll see
We’ll get it from Cal obviously, but the others I think will depend on if the new coaches can get 4 and 5 star recruits to commit in 2013 and beyond which I hope happens
If there’s hatred so be it because that means that UW is winning on the field and in recruiting.
Will the hatred be as bad as for Oregon who knows? Oregon had to use gimmicks and Nike to gain an advantage.
UW is outspending the other colleges, but the money is not coming from the Upper Campus, it’s all coming from the Athletic Budget so if they want to be upset with UW spending money within the Athletic Budget so be it.
by MNDawgfan on Jan 17, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Did we blow up at UCLA?
Hell, Martin made more of a lateral move than either of the Cal guys, and took more of our class than we have of theirs.
by B Money on Jan 17, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
exactly...but
you’re not gonna find much in the Cal Library under “rational” today…They’re fighting off a flaming case of denial. Rubbing the rash with an abrasive called “Scapegoat”. The state with the 4th-5th largest economy on the planet can’t “find” the funds to retain 2 of their coaches…so it’s UW’s fault they tripled Tosh’s income and job description…Makes no rational
sense.
by gliderdawg on Jan 17, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I also saw a dumb*ss calling himself a Husky badmouthing Cal FB academics
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
No doubt that fool was a 'Furd fan
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jan 18, 2012 4:21 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Cal was riding pretty darn high
With a recruiting class higher than they’d seen in eons. They missed a bowl in ‘10, and returned with a 7-5 and Holiday berth this year, and felt like they were on the rise much like we were last year. Add to that all these highly coveted PSA’s, and it was an Era of Good Times over there. In a manner of 24 hours, we stole their best recruiter (possibly the best in the country) who was the driving force behind all that, and their 2nd best recruiter. With SEVERAL recruits now saying that they’re open to other programs, and possibly open to UW, the sky literally is falling for them. If the shoe was on the other foot (and it has been for us), we’d feel the same way. That being said, do I have any sympathy? Hell no.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Excellent observation.
Cal blog reaction seems a little unhinged. Looks like some of it is some kind of weird dark humor, but wow . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Husky in Exile, you have spent the last two days trolling California Golden Blogs nonstop, posting over 100 comments in that last two day, gloating and trying to provoke people. Why your life is so empty that you have to be on CGB until the small hours of the morning trying to taunt people, I cannot imagine. But your fellow Huskies fans should know that you are doing everything you can to embarrass the University of Washington.
CGB: The Strangest Blog
by CalBear81 on Jan 18, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
So tempted to buy a DM subscription right now...
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 4:09 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
CGB is not happy
Greg Biggins @GregBiggins
Hearing it’s a done deal, Eric Kiesau will be new WR coach at #Washington, another big hire
FUCKING GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 10:53 AM PST reply actions
Huskies rising quickly on my hate list. Actually, screw every other team in the conference. All of them.
“i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords” – GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Right now the Huskies are #3 on my hate list after the Furd and U$C. Texas has been knocked to 4th.
by Maxdarkfire on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Right now the Huskies are #1 on my hate list with the Furd and U$C close #2 and #3
by JustBear on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
THEY’RE #1 RIGHT NOW.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
when the official news release comes out that kiesau is gone and that Shaq and Payton are gone to U Dumb then they will 100% be the most hated… for now… I hope at least one of the three doesn’t happen, but I don’t have much hope.
by Maxdarkfire on Jan 17, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Did they not enjoy their rivalry with Oregon? Why not decimate THAT program in a weekend?
by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 4:37 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
You do have to admit
this is the sort of thing that big rivalries are made of. Might be a good start.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 17, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You guys made our rivavly better by playing MUCH better football, unfortunately for us
around the same time our program was taking a (temporary) nosedive.
> more to follow . . .
If the Cal program & fans settle down a little bit, I strongly agree this could juice up the UW/Cal game, which frankly had a red circle for awhile.
- in reading their blog you would think Tedford is in the process of shutting down . . . ?
> very strange over there
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Husky in Exile, you have spent the last two days trolling California Golden Blogs nonstop, posting over 100 comments in that last two day, gloating and trying to provoke people. Why your life is so empty that you have to be on CGB until the small hours of the morning trying to taunt people, I cannot imagine. But your fellow Huskies fans should know that you are doing everything you can to embarrass the University of Washington.
CGB: The Strangest Blog
by CalBear81 on Jan 18, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Shane Brostek
He has to be the all time recruitng enigma. Has anyone actually ever seen him? Is he the proverbial " Kilroy was here"? Is anyone sure he really was interested in Washington.
by Juneautom on Jan 17, 2012 4:43 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
why did he verbal somewhere else?
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Not that I’ve heard. Was just yacking to myself that their is nothing on this guy. Maybe he went to UCLA last weekend as a favor from his dad to an old friend?z
by Juneautom on Jan 17, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The prevailing sentiment by the experts is that he'll end up in Purple and Gold
That being said, he’s approaching his recruitment in a manner unlike any other in this day and age, and not releasing ANY information, so who the heck knows if that’s remotely true. And good for him, I find this very refreshing.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
why not visit UCLA
free trip to LA. Sign me up.
by CODawg on Jan 18, 2012 8:29 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The word is that its between Stanford and UW
by ppilot on Jan 17, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
that rumor was quashed..stanford isn't even recruiting him.
by supercanuck on Jan 17, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Stanford?
Never heard Stanford in connection with Brostek. Though to be fair, the family has almost completely shut the media out of his recruitment, so who knows.
All I know is that the guys at DM.com have insisted he’s basically a lock for the UW. Are they getting bad info? I guess we’ll see on Signing Day…
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Off topic but not worth fan shot or fan post...
Did anyone see that the NCAA is increasing the severity of their sanctions just in time for the case of a certain school to the south which shall remain nameless?
As far as the coaches go, I hope we continue to throw gobs and gobs of money at assistants and facilities. This program has always been one of the most profitable in the country and is completely self sustained so the influx of 12-20 million a year from TV contracts should give us so much money to play with that it’s just silly.
by JoeinFW on Jan 17, 2012 5:13 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I'm sure you'll has a sad
because this won’t affect ongoing investigations, just new ones.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 17, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Wow you sure knew the legal details of that quickly.
Are you paying close attention to NCAA bylaws these days for any particular reason?
And now, for my very elaborate and college-educated plan!'
by StuHamm on Jan 17, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
...Yes?
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 17, 2012 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
maybe when the go on probation
you will change your avatar
by CODawg on Jan 18, 2012 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'll be the contrarian around here and hope that Ducks are not whacked for the common
practice of using informal scouting services.
I’m rired of seeing Pac schools singled out for more severe sanctions for smaller violations.I very much hope the Emmert reform makes penalties more consistent.
Now if NCAA can prove, not just at Oregon but also all the other schools playing this game, that funds were funneled to players or family this way . . . well then NCAA: bang away.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
most schools actually get valid recruiting info for their money
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
And for less
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jan 18, 2012 4:22 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
difference
between USC and Oregon is the school paid the money. At USC it paid by agents. I think that looks worse in the eyes of the NCAA
by CODawg on Jan 18, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
In my opinion what oregon did is far worse than what USC did. Not sure how they wouldn’t get hammered for it.
by Snostrebla on Jan 18, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Uh, why?
I guess the worst absolute case is that Willie Lyles was paid and was the sole reason that LMJ and Seastrunk went to Oregon, and even gave LMJ and Seastrunk some of that money.
In which case it is still about $100,000 less than what Reggie Bush got, was done through the school in public and not hidden, was not a Heisman winner, etc. I guess if you look at it that way it’s close to being as bad – but that assumes a lot of things that don’t seem to be provable.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 18, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
no proof that Bush got paid by the school
or that anyone at the school knew about it. Chipper absolutely paid for those players and out of university funds.
by CODawg on Jan 18, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
there's a ton of differences
The biggest one being that while there was extremely little evidence that any USC staffers were involved (highly questionable “evidence” against Todd McNair) and the people that actually paid the Bush family were not USC boosters, Oregon staff – and Chip Kelly himself – were directly involved and approved.
You (and your fowl brethren) seem to think that because this was technically public that it must mean it was OK. Take a step back from the groupthink for a minute and realize that, no, they were simply hoping nobody would bother making FOI requests that would lead to that info becoming public.
The actions of Kelly after he found out Yahoo! was investigating speak volumes. His were not the actions of a man who thought that everything was fine, nothing to worry about.
Not to mention the obvious attempt at a cover up
by Chip which clearly shows that he new what he was doing was wrong.
If you are a fan of Husky FB...
You’d be a fool not to hope the ducks get hit with sanctions.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
by Steen on Jan 18, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm old enough bto personally remember the bitterness over what I thought were
inappropriate sanctions against Don James, imposed by Pac-10; not even NCAA, and the terrible lack of support from the administration (Hedges).
I very much want to beat the Ducks . . . by hiring better coaches, building better (equivalent) facilities, recruiting better players & taking it all to the field.
I just don’t care for the idea of using whatever NCAA charge is available to slap down whoever is hot. That said, and it’s horribly difficult to know the underlying truth in these investigations . . . If the Ducks ‘sinned,’ they should get the going rate punishment. Nothing more, and nothing less.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 18, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
what IS the going rate?
That’s the problem with the NCAA – the wildly inconsistent penalties. I’m no fan of USC, but their punishment relative to other recent sins was waaaaaaaay over the line.
I concur.
After reading some of the rules that they have about recruiting, especially in today’s day and age, they are so vague that I’m not surprised that the punishments that they have leveled out have been inconsistent. Granted, the crimes are not all equal, the but severity of the punishments fitting the crime have been rather inconsistent, in my opinion.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 18, 2012 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely Dead Spot On
and I guess that’s everybody’s complaint; why us?
NCAA would be doing us all a favor with a little more transparency, at least in the final reporting of violations, sanctions, and the rationale for the severity of sanctions.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 18, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
transparency would reveal their capriciousness
Imagine if we had transparency when the USC stuff went down:
“That Mike Garrett is such a pompous ass!”
“Yeah, but we don’t have any good proof anyone at USC knew what was going on, and the guys paying the Bush family weren’t USC boosters – they were street agents looking out for themselves.”
“I don’t care – Garrett has been stiff-arming us. Doesn’t he know who we are? We’re going to hammer them!”
“…but that’s not really justified by the facts at ha…”
“I DON”T CARE! THEY’RE GETTING HAMMERED!"
“…”
Maybe you're right
you have a lot more experience with sanctions than us.
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
by Old Ducker on Jan 17, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
oh really?
Over the last 50 years Oregon football has just as many major violations as Washington football: 2. And Oregon’s came more recently.
For someone claiming to be “Old Ducker”, your memory sucks.
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Haha. Respect your elders, Kirk!
Alzheimers is a tragedy
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jan 18, 2012 4:23 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
in other news
AhSomeVO8 KevinCarlosSmithII @
@JordanPayton yeeeeaaah Boi #UDuB #DawgLife #BleedPurple&Gold
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 5:21 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
He has an in-home with UW tonight.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Fingers crossed it goes well..
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Updated
JordanPayton Jordan Payton
Solid.. Official to Washington this weekend
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
hopefully we show him a good time and wrap up a commitment
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Would like to see many woofs soon!
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That could be one of the
three woofs last night
by CODawg on Jan 18, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Twitter-read is confusing
Can you put it in the quote box so I know what he’s saying, rather than deciphering what’s being said?
I would really appreciate that.
(I don’t have a twitter account – probably one of the rare under-30 guys who does not have a twitter account).
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 17, 2012 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Solid.. Official to Washington this weekend
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
the one day I wasn't on twitter for most of the day..
…we signed Tosh…go figure!
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Real Dawg reporting
Just talked to Jordan Payton, he is definitely visiting UW this weekend and says the Huskies have a “real good shot”, story coming up.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Do recruits shower twice after talking to ruth?
Or just go straight to the broad spectrum antibiotics?
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
by Steen on Jan 17, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
can someone give me the one paragraph cliff's notes...
on Ruth at RealDawg? I read her name all over dawgman, and dawgpound, like she is some sort of legendary monster, but I have no idea what she did….
by jacobcda on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Was going to ask the same question
Pleading ignorance on this one…
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
me too.
I’ve been lurking at Dawgpound and Dawgman and Condotta’s blog for 4-5 years now, and never have learned why everyone hates her so much.
by jacobcda on Jan 17, 2012 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Crickets...
I’m interested in this as well
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
cliff's notes
Keep in mind this is the info I hear about her from DM.com:
- She doesn’t act like a reporter, i.e. she makes no attempt at being impartial and simply asking questions; she does her best to become “buddies” with the recruits; she doesn’t get the idea that a reporter reports the story and doesn’t become part of the story
- She doesn’t come across as impartial – many recruits have mentioned they thought she was acting on behalf of the UW
- In her zeal to be “first” with every story, she’s had some notable mistakes, some of which have ended up hurting the recruiting efforts of the UW because those recruits felt burned
- She tolerates no dissension on her message boards; bans, deleting accounts, harassing phone calls – I’ve seen a number of people defect to the DM.com boards complaining about crazy interactions with her and her husband
- She acts like a crazed woman when it comes to other sites, claiming persecution and spewing venom left and right with immature name-calling on Facebook, Condotta’s blog comments, etc.
I’m sure some fan of her site will come on here and say that no, all those things don’t apply to her but do apply to Kim Grinolds, Chris Fetters, etc.
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You see her convo with Softy. Geeesh.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Has me rolling right now
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It's actually pretty comical.
He just rips her to shreds.
by wyte_lightning on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
And then he tweets this:
http://Dawgman.com saying theyve confirmed it. Beaver to UW. Stick with them for all your recruiting needs bit.ly/AFjgoR
by wyte_lightning on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Bahahahaha, then...
btw, that loud pounding u heard the last 15 minutes was me banging my head against the wall. Sorry to disturb you all.
by wyte_lightning on Jan 17, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
More than just name calling
She called Kim Grinolds a “little faggot”. Quite a bit past the line for anyone who expects to be taken seriously as a professional.
by thecassino on Jan 17, 2012 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
my favorite of hers is "peckerwood"
She was throwing that one around a lot.
But yeah, the “little faggot” thing was over the line.
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Cuckoo.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jan 18, 2012 4:25 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
thanks for filling us in.
sounds like a real nut job. Exactly the kind of person we’d like to gift to the ducks.
by jacobcda on Jan 18, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
She calls recruits 100 times a day. She does far more harm than good for the UW.
by Snostrebla on Jan 18, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
sheesh.
You can’t just start being a recruiting reporter. You’ve got to have the connections and the ability to build relationships with kids. There is a reason Biggins does what he does, and Fetters and Huffman do what they do.
by jacobcda on Jan 18, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
she did start off with the Dawgman folks a loooong time ago
They just didn’t approve of the way she operated.
don't know anything about kiesau
but i would be hesitant to touch anyone affiliated with colorado over the past few years
by CAHusky on Jan 17, 2012 7:23 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I've heard reported...
that he is Cal’s 2nd best recruiter. And the thought that he was one of Tedford’s right hand men when Tedford turned the program around in the early 2000s is a big accomplishment.
All I saw was purple
by crazidawg on Jan 17, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
recruiters
that’s what we’ve heard about lupoi, wilcox, sirmon, and heyward, that these are great recruiters who can relate well to 17 year old kids, and it hink that is important. but can the coach em up? the results from cal, tennessee and oregon st over the past few years in terms of wins and losses have been a little underwhelming
by CAHusky on Jan 17, 2012 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
all those guys seem to have done reasonably well in putting their kids into the NFL
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
so was Holt, sadly
And come to think of it, Ty as well.
Not the best overall gauge of a team’s performance.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 17, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Putting kids in the NFL is a lot easier . . .
when you are at USC (Holt). Doing it at Oregon State, Cal and Tennessee (post Kiffin) isn’t as easy.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
by Lear Pilot on Jan 17, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I was actually talking about Holt doing it at UW
But you’ve made my point for me – getting kids to go to the NFL as high picks but not actually getting a lot of gain for the team is my whole point. For all of Cal’s recruiting success it hadn’t shown up on the actual results, just in the NFL draft.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
we're talking about Lupoi, right?
Defense has not been the problem at Cal lately…
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Of course a Duck would take this argument given the relative lack of NFL players coming out of UO (relative to their strong record)
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jan 18, 2012 4:26 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
not sure my affiliation matters here
Put it another way, Gekko – would you rather have recruiting success but game inconsistency or recruiting mediocrity but game success? Cal has had a lot of the former. Washington has placed quite a few guys in the NFL in the last few years and it hasn’t demonstrated game success either. Stanford was famous for it until very recently. There are plenty of coaches who are great at recruiting who frankly suck at coaching – Orgeron is an example.
Now, ideally you get someone like Saban who is great at both. Sans that, it’s a fair concern that despite their recruiting prowess in the last few years Cal has not had much to show for it.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 18, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Oregon has produced 6 NFL Hall of Famers
How many from Washington?
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
HOF argument doesn't correlate
Gekko’s not talking about Dan Fouts from the 70’s for Oregon, or Hugh McElhenny from UW in the 50’s.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 18, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
How do you measure that?
Hope you’re not just using yards.
By S&P, Cal was ranked #28 in the nation last year, behind Arizona, Stanford and Oregon. By FEI they ranked 43rd, behind Oregon, Stanford and USC. Looking at the results you can see why – they played an easy schedule and still gave up significantly more points to teams like Oregon this year than last year.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 18, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
just read that they had the number 1 d
I think it was in the huskies official announcement.
by CODawg on Jan 18, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Ah
Take it with some grain of salt, then. They did lead the league in total yards given up, but were 4th in scoring defense. They were also 4th in rushing yards, which you’d think would be more with what Lupoi was coaching.
They don’t look bad, mind you, and it was certainly a strength of the team. it’s very reasonable to state that a lot of Cal’s failure this year was entirely due to their horrible offense and turning it over so many times (as we saw in the Cal/Texas game). At the same time, they weren’t worldbeaters.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 18, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not so sure about Ty.
Roy Lewis ripped Ty on the radio a few years back specifically for not helping get players into the NFL. At that time, he said that there was something like 6 or 7 undrafted Huskies on NFL rosters, a sign that the talent was there, but said that Ty did nothing at all to help promote those players and help them get drafted.
So yes, technically Ty had a number of players talented enough to get into the NFL, but some of them did it despite him, not because of him.
by Mind of no mind on Jan 18, 2012 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That's fair
I was thinking more of the talent he had, but you’re right – he did very little to get it NFL-ready (or at least showcase it). Even with Locker he pretty well wasted it.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 18, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If the play of the kids is an indicator, we do know that Lupoi can coach.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 17, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
We know he can teach
Whether he can gameplan, make adjustments, read film well or do any of those other things that make coaching difficult is a bit much. It also helps that at Cal he had serious amounts of talent. That being said, it’s not like he won’t have that talent soon at UW, so perhaps it won’t matter.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 17, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Gameplanning and in-game adjustments are the responsibilities of the coordinators.
So it’s irrelevant in Lupoi’s case, really, not that it’s not handy for him to be able to do that.
That said, film study is a must. I can’t speak for Lupoi’s film study skills or abilities, but I’m inclined to think he can do that, provided that he’s been doing that for at least the last five years, probably more as a player, too.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 17, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
they had the number 1 d
in the pac. they were doing something right
by CODawg on Jan 18, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
See above post
If you’re just using yards, that’s a pretty silly metric of defensive ability.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 18, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Nick Holt agrees with you!
Yards is a very silly metric. We played GREAT defense, even though we gave up 777 yards to Baylor!!!
It’s not perfect, but it’s a good starting point.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
by Lear Pilot on Jan 18, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
yes, that's what I said
Because if you can’t use yards, you can’t use anything. Not points, not points per drive, not S&P and FEI.
Sigh.
I guess I should just ask this now: should I bother posting? The antagonism I get for posting things like ‘yards aren’t a good gauge of a defense’s prowess’ or ‘Lupoi is not shown himself to be a stellar coach so far’ is pretty depressing. This is the sort of thing I do at ATQ as well – I try and temper my fandom with realism and facts – but it seems like the avatar is the only thing looked at.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 18, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I LOVE his Avatar! Everytime I see it it reminds me Disney
can’t copyright everything!
Besides, what other image would work as well for angry ‘fighting’ Ducks? It’s a classic.
IMHO SunDodger is even better . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 18, 2012 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
What do you expect?
You are a duck fan on a Husky blog. It’s not too late, you can still turn from the darkside . . . .
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
by Lear Pilot on Jan 18, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No.
I’m a husky fan on a husky blog talking significantly about husky things. I live in Seattle, graduated from UW and my kids like the Huskies.
My avatar is to my first loyalty as a fan – where I grew up.
I’d hope folks would read the comments for the content of the comments. But yes, this pretty much proves what i thought, so I’ll bow out.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 18, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This rivalry is sort of like Yankees/Red Sox
Liking both schools is not an option and claims otherwise are classified as insane.
by JoeinFW on Jan 18, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with JoeinFW
to quote a movie:
You can’t ride two horses with one ass, sugarbean.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
by Lear Pilot on Jan 18, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
We like your posts
…but you often confuse your opinion for facts. Sometimes there is correlation and sometimes not. Your avatar is also somewhat unfortunate
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
I grew up in Oregon too...but I would never put anything resembling a duck on anything of mine.
I even had a hard time with my 2 year old getting a rubber duck for the bathtub.
It’s time to move on from your childhood Kalon, especially if you went to UW.
I think you’ll gain some credibility just by changing your avatar.
"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis
by Carne Guisada on Jan 19, 2012 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
no you just argue everything
How about point out something positive. Many people think Tosh can absolutely coach as good as he can recruit
by CODawg on Jan 18, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Out of curiosity...
how many of our recruits did Cal flip last year? I can’t remember.
I in no way think or want to imply that Sark would do this out of spite; he’s got bigger things to worry about. But I do wonder if it doesn’t add a little gravy to the whole experience for him.
And now, for my very elaborate and college-educated plan!'
by StuHamm on Jan 17, 2012 7:27 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
That's the nature of the beast these days
All I saw was purple
by crazidawg on Jan 17, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I think there was some strategy as well as a bit of payback
I certainly don’t think Sark raided Cal simply out of spite for recruits they flipped on us in the last few years.
On the other hand, I don’t think it was entirely coincidental that Sark went after Cal coaches. Cal is a strategic rival in the North; yes, Oregon is the team to beat, and Stanford is ahead of us (for now). But Cal has been landing a lot of the kind of kids that the UW used to get regularly in the glory days under DJ. While DJ rarely beat USC & UCLA for a SoCal kid, he did frequently win recruiting battles with Cal for kids out of Central & North California.
Lupoi was obviously a target because of the prior relationship he had with Wilcox and because he’s widely considered the best recruiter in the conference (along with Ed Orgeron) and was killing it in recruiting for Cal. Taking him away not just strengthens UW’s recruiting, it weakens Cal’s.
Targeting Kiesau may also be partly a result of a prior association with Wilcox, and I’m sure Sark must feel good about Kiesau as a recruiter and coach, but I’d bet there was a part of Sark that relished putting the screws to Tedford by further gutting his staff. Not so much for vendetta reasons, but in so raiding Cal, he may be precipitating a significant decline for the Cal program – we might look back at this off-season as the turning point leading to Cal slipping back to the bottom half of the conference and Tedford losing his job. That helps Washington, not just on the field but on the recruiting trail.
It’s a very SEC series of moves. Maybe it’s all a product of major fortune in the stars lining up just right – Derek Dooley failing in Tennessee, Wilcox amenable to moving back closer to home, Wilcox then having enough of a relationship with Lupoi to convince him to leave his alma mater, etc. But it’s also a big-time power play with the UW flexing their financial muscles and unafraid to piss off their conference brethren in the process.
I love what this says about President Young, Scott Woodward and Sark in terms of their commitment towards demanding excellence in the football program and their willingness to do what it takes to get there.
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Now that I think about it...
It’s really not the first time Sarkisian has made hires to piss off another school? Didn’t he sort of raid the USC staff after being hired by UW?
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 17, 2012 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
with regards to USC staff...
…that seemed more about a 1st time Head Coach without much of a coaching tree reaching out to guys he knew.
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
that said...
…he also poached Cal of their arguably their best coach back then too in Jim Michalczik.
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Almost immediately quit said job.
Ok, ok, “reconsidered”…
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Gotta love the guy
He goes after who he wants, and doesn’t take no for an answer..
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Big boy football.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jan 17, 2012 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
you would fit in well as a dark knight over at CGB.
reading them you would think Sark is a genius demon . . . gunning for them.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Husky in Exile, you have spent the last two days trolling California Golden Blogs nonstop, posting over 100 comments in that last two days, gloating and trying to provoke people. Why your life is so empty that you have to be on CGB until the small hours of the morning trying to taunt people, I cannot imagine. But your fellow Huskies fans should know that you are doing everything you can to embarrass the University of Washington.
CGB: The Strangest Blog
by CalBear81 on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
and I have gone away, never to return
Actually didn’t intend to be awful; I genuinely do not understand you guys.
You have regulars that say terrible things about your own program or team, and for the life of me I can’t tell where the sarc begins and ends.
I will cheerfully leave you to stew in your own juices.
and BTW, I really do hope you guys find good replacement coaches, I very much wish for the North Division to continue to overmatch the South.
Best Regards,
by HuskyInExile on Jan 18, 2012 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Watching this
Here..S.O.N.
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 7:53 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Cal Golden Blogs is worth a visit right now just for the gifs
hilarious!
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Jan 17, 2012 7:54 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
That was quite comical actually.
I feel bad for them but when it comes to College Football it’s all about money no matter where you look. Unfortunately for Cal their athletic department doesn’t quite have the football budget that UW does and we’re making it rain right now with all of our new TV money that will be coming in. Couldn’t be happier with the direction of the program, we’re shelling out SEC level pay to get the assistants we want and pumping $200 million into a stadium upgrade!!
by JoeinFW on Jan 17, 2012 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Don't sell us short . . .
It’s currently $260 million for the stadium!!
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
by Lear Pilot on Jan 17, 2012 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
we may not be able to pay top dollar for coaches
BUT BOY CAN WE MAKE FUNNY GIFS
by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 18, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
so does Rattlehead for the UW
Check out this one – had me rolling (might not be quite as funny to Cal fans though):
by kirkd on Jan 18, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I love it!
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
The volume of 'stuff' on your blog astounds me. I obviously didn't get it,
and apologize for any offense, but wow there are a LOT of moving parts in your production.
Best Regards,
by HuskyInExile on Jan 18, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
Here's my take
California (the state) is bankrupt and it will only get worse. Over the next few years there will be increasing pressure on their university system to cut budgets. Enrollment will decline as will the quality of education. Blame the global financial meltdown, which despite proceeding at a relative snail pace due to massive central bank manipulation and 0% interest rates, is proceeding. Anyone who thinks we are going to come out of this without massive changes of the type advocated by Ron Paul are stupid or deluded. Maybe both.
Washington isn’t far behind (nor is Oregon), or anyone else but for now it’s in a lot better shape. Football wise, my beloved Ducks are in a better position than most due to Uncle Phil. The school on the other hand… Ask Dr. Lariviere.
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
by Old Ducker on Jan 17, 2012 10:20 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
All true
The other big challenge that UCLA and UC face is the bureaucracy of the BoR.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Jan 18, 2012 4:28 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Sark just triple Woof'd
New commit?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by cdlewey on Jan 17, 2012 10:36 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Probably
I’m curious if it’s a former Cal commit, but given where Sark is suppose to be, it could be a surprise out of left field.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
by Lear Pilot on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
PleasebeShaq!PleasebeShaq!PleasebeShaq!PleasebeShaq!PleasebeShaq!
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by cdlewey on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I second that!!
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
by Lear Pilot on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
speculation it's Brandon Beaver
http://twitter.com/JetLife_Brandon
JetLife_Brandon Brandon Beaver
I dont even know why I aint been did this….i knew where my heart was a while back..
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
And then
@phonzooo text me bro..
(phonzoooooooooooooooooooo is Alphonso March’s twitter account)
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by cdlewey on Jan 17, 2012 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
WOW
This coming right after his trip to Utah…
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
not sure if we're still recruiting Marsh
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
OK, soo...
WTF, Beaver be leading others on or we are way off in our assumptions
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
maybe he just wants to share the good news?
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
He's trying to keep it hush...
Aparantly Ruth didn’t know and spilled it out, speaking of which, we were trying to figure out what she did to make everyone so angry at here, i’ll assume it’s antics like this?
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
yep, exactly
She has done this many, many times in the past. And in some cases it’s backfired and cost the UW that recruit.
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
GEEEESHHHHHH!!!!!
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Brandon Beaver just tweeted this a couple minutes pryor
dont even know why I aint been did this….i knew where my heart was a while back..
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'll take it!
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by cdlewey on Jan 17, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
It's like a double rainbow
What does this mean?!
by thecassino on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
TRIPLE WOOF FROM SARK!!!!
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Coach Sark
WOOF, WOOF, WOOF!!!!
Today at 10:34 PM
by johnnieday on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Brand X stating it is indeed Beaver
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 10:48 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Brandon Huffman confirms, so I believe it
I never trust what the crazy lady says.
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
lol
Now she’s getting into an argument with Softy on twitter… Social media is out of control.
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
WOW...
Ok folks, I asked the question earlier about RD and now I get it.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
this is classic Ruth
Beaver wanted to announce on Signing Day. I’d bet that Sark was cool with that plan – he was peeved last year that people thought his recruiting class lost momentum because all his big commitments happened in late Summer/early Fall and he didn’t have any big “splash” commitments on or close to Signing Day.
But Ruth couldn’t let an opportunity for a “scoop” go by and she publicized it. I think Beaver will stick with his commitment, but it’s exactly this kind of thing that she’s done in the past that has pissed-off recruits and coaches, and in some cases caused the kid to withdraw his commitment.
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
And now she won't let it go...
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
of course she won't
It’s part of her persecution complex. What she doesn’t get is she’s persecuted for a reason – not because she’s a woman, but because she’s crazy and pulls stunts like this over and over and over and over…
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
That's what she seems to be railing & ranting about on twitter now.
by wyte_lightning on Jan 17, 2012 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
her logic is impeccable
I love the exchange she had with Biggins – when she attempts to back up her assertion that Beaver did go public with it, she cites his twitter account. Never mind that Beaver’s tweet says nothing about committing, nor does it mention the UW.
She really, truly does not get that she’s crazy.
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
And there's this from Beaver himself
Ruth is something else , smh….sad to say.
Agreed Brandon. Agreed.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 11:40 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Biggins agrees
is it really that important to ‘break’ a commitment before a kid is ready to go public with it?
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
From @JakeWorthen
Hearing all barking related noise is for Brandon Beaver…
by wyte_lightning on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
From @JakeWorthen again --
Always mine. But Beaver already denying it. Recruiting is fun… RT @UDubb_huskies: @JakeWorthen Per your sources or RealDawg
by wyte_lightning on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Eww....From Brandon
JetLife_Brandon
I DID NOT COMMITT NOWHERE !..
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
That's a double negative
Thus, he’s a shoo-in for UW now.
If I could kiss Nick Holt, I would. Though, with him, I’m sure it would end in deep penetration and a score
by kalon on Jan 17, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Tweet of the night
Adam Gorney
It’s 11 p.m., I’m text messaging kids to see if they committed to #Washington because a coach is WOOFing on Twitter. I feel odd.
Rosebowl titles last 90 years, UW 8, UO 1...
Twitter @DAWGFATHER91
by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 17, 2012 11:03 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Biggins
“I’m not committed anywhere, I have a visit to #Oklahoma this weekend and I’m taking it” Brandon Beaver
by thecassino on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Also being reported
That we’re getting an OV from Luke Kaumatule this weekend. Guy is a flat out BEAST.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 11:22 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
he'll go to Stanford if he's accepted academically
We’re battling to be his backup plan.
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I have no idea who this Ruth lady is...
Add in the fact that I don’t follow Twitter, so all this is a little confusing for me.. so someone help me understand this…
Sark “Woof’s” three times tonight, which usually means a commit. Yes?
Ruth breaks the news that it is Brandon Beaver, citing his tweet from earlier, which in fact does not mention a committment to any school.
Brandon Beaver denies it, but it’s because he wanted to announce it on signing day.
Ruth has ruined his surprise. Is that what the fuss is about?
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 17, 2012 11:41 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
She does this a lot
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by cdlewey on Jan 17, 2012 11:43 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That's the general gist, yes.
She “reported” that he committed, despite the fact that she didn’t confirm it with him. Softy called her on it, and it devolved into chaos quite rapidly with subsequent admonishings from Biggins and others. It’s unfortunate for Brandon, as he wanted to do it on LOI day, and she stole his thunder.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
yep
Really too bad she feels the need to ruin these things for kids. She’s done this repeatedly, because it’s more important to her to have a “scoop” than for the kid to get the chance to announce the way he wants to.
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
And she's gloating about it
Obviously does NOT get it.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
And then every other recruiting service has to jump on it or risk perception of being behind.
by thecassino on Jan 17, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
What. A. Fucking. Bitch.
A kid only gets to announce his school of choice just once. Once. That’s it.
Man I feel terrible for him.
(John, I know you have a policy here about foul language, and if you feel like disciplining me for that, I’ll accept the consequences because it was worth it)
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Not true.
Gunner Kiel did it 3 times.
by thecassino on Jan 17, 2012 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
i don't mind calling her crazy and criticizing her actions....
but calling her what you called her in the title is in bad taste.
by supercanuck on Jan 17, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm forgetting, did someone call her a c*nt or something really vile?
I would be pissed if someone beat me to it.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
by Steen on Jan 18, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
The policy is loosely enforced...thankfully.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
by Steen on Jan 18, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
nailed it.
apparently there is bad blood between the Dawgman and Realdawg.com too.
by supercanuck on Jan 17, 2012 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
way back in the day I think she worked for them
Since RealDawg is her business, she takes any criticism extremely personally and feels like it’s a threat to her livelihood. Never mind that she shouldn’t be in the business in the first place because she has no concept of journalistic integrity…
by kirkd on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I have a sneaking suspicion...
That “Ruth” and “journalistic integrity” don’t often collide in the same sentence.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
She never ever worked for Dawgman period....
…they did publish an article that she wrote one time at her request back in the early early days.
UW Dawg Pound - SBN Seattle
by John Berkowitz on Jan 18, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
Bad blood?
She’s a self important stalker. what’s not to like?
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
by Steen on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
on the band getting back together
I’d have liked it even more if Sark had stolen Michalczik a 2nd time…
by kirkd on Jan 18, 2012 12:36 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Hire is now official
Tons of new titles being thrown around for all the other offensive coaches + Nansen.
by JoeinFW on Jan 18, 2012 9:39 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Apparently everything we say is fucking amazing.
by Modrik Zutar on Jan 18, 2012 10:36 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
That's just part of being a Husky fan.
Being AWESOME!
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
by Lear Pilot on Jan 18, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Haha haven't recced me yet bioches!!!
by redwolf75 on Jan 18, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Is this some CGB prank? Cause I want myself some recs.
by UW11Bowdown on Jan 18, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Read the fucking comments.
Jesus….
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
by Steen on Jan 18, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Screw you too.
There are no comments on this thread about who was doing it, when I read the comments on the other post I of course figured it out.
Just an FYI, CGB posters couldn’t post here for over 24 hours due to UWDawgpound having a 24 hour period where you had to wait. Probably a good idea based on the fact that for a good 40+ hours most of those who pay attention to the Cal football program were not in a good state of mind.
We certainly wish Kiesau the best, completely understandable to take a promotion and a pay increase, especially when you have ties to the northwest anyways (Portland State graduate ’96).
However Tosh is going to be subject of much vitriol for a long time. The main reason for this is what we are hearing from insiders who have generally had good intel on the inner workings of Cal’s football staff.
From what we’ve been hearing, the departure was much worse than this narrative, but this is what we’ve been hearing on how Tosh’s departure actually went down (and correlates to public record timing)
– BearInsider.comTosh was offered a job at Wash and he came to JT with the “my heart is here speech”. JT went and fought for Tosh to get the offer matched. JT and Tosh have a meeting where JT tells Tosh how much he wants to keep him, how he is an integral part of what they are doing, etc. He says that he went and got the offer matched and that he wanted him to stay, but that he won’t/can’t get into a bidding war for Tosh and that he (JT) needs his (Tosh’s) word that this is done and that he (Tosh) isn’t going anywhere. Tosh assures JT this is over. Tosh breaks his word, continues talking to UW and gets another offer which he doesn’t present to JT, as he has already been told and committed to no bidding war.
JT didn’t find out Tosh was gone (by voicemail) until he got off the plane for a recruiting trip Tosh was supposed to meet JT on. They were supposed to meet yesterday to recruit and Tosh didn’t show.
Combine that with the fact that Tosh is breaking the unwritten coaches code of only recruiting for one school and he is dead to me and I suspect Cal and JT as well. If you are recruiting and switch schools, you stop recruiting those guys… pass them off to another on staff.
It’ll be interesting to see if Tosh can do well or fails. His huge draw was that Cal was family. Due to the fact that he was a student, played for Cal, and had coached for Cal all of the recruits could see that he was selling what he lived. How is he going to be able to translate that to a school he has been to for games, but not as a resident?
by Maxdarkfire on Jan 18, 2012 12:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to hear Tosh's side of the story before drawing conclusions....
but that is still insightful. Thanks for the post
Agreed.
I’m curious how somebody at bearinsider.com has such incredible inside information. I hate to say it, but it sounds like a scorned lover.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Wow.
I did not know that. If that is true, it doesn’t reflect well on Lupoi’s character.
That said, I believe that when he changed his mind to go to UW happened in a 24-36 hour window, so he had to focus his energies on contract detail and possibly contacting recruits
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 18, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Appreciate your opinions
I havent been over to your blog out of respect. I can only imagine how mad I would be. I have heard that people are mad at UW in general. Which they shouldnt be in my opinion. Us fans didnt do it. Tosh left period. It sounds like you agree with me on that.
However, I do not believe that a coach should stop recruiting these kids. They were also kids that Sark and Holt had been recruiting too. These kids need to make up their own minds. I imagine some will follow Tosh to Washington. Some like McCarthy will go somewhere and some will stay at Cal
Ok Cal fans... The reccing of all the comments is very bitch of you
…we get your anger and may even be able to empathize. But please keep in mind thhe following:
A) no UW fan is apt to believe the conspiracy theories floating around
B) given the defection of a few of our own coaches and the impact on recruits, no UW fan is likely to feel sorry for you
C) no UW fan here had anything to do with the hiring of either coach
We are pleased to have you here and don’t mind hearing your complaints or observations. In fact, we welcome it But, please, don’t be bitchy. Thanks.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Yes, I just realized it
Nice to see that Duck fans still suffer from inferiority complex
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
which is really weird, given the quality of thier program of late
by HuskyInExile on Jan 18, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Might be a case of some habits dying hard, perhaps.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 18, 2012 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
my take
For a little while I thought that Duck fans were legitimately starting to grow up a bit as they got used to success, but this little bout of immaturity tells me that they are starting to get rather concerned about the developments in Montlake…
Refer to the comments above. The reccing was most likely something brought about by members of Addicted to Quack.
Please keep in mind that we aren’t upset with the fact that two of our coaches were hired away. It stings a little bit, but all coaching staffs have turnover (There are reports that Cal has already hired a WR coach).
We ARE upset with how Tosh Lupoi handled how he left our program (Did not tell his current DLine. Did not tell many of the guys he had already recruited. Left while his HC was on a plane, just leaving a voicemail.)
We ARE upset that he was recruiting for UW while on a CAL in home visit. (You can refer to tweets sent from Shaq Thomson which says that during the Cal in home visit, Tosh straight up asked if Shaq would want to play for him at UW).
Yes, I know it is frustrating
I get that. Of course, there was no way he was going to be allowed to address his players, so that is a moot point. As to recruiting “commits”, I would guess each situation is different. But, think about the player. The man who he has a relationship all of a sudden stops talking to him? Is it ethical to abandon the mentoring relationship that may exist? I don’t think so.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
not exactly what Shaq Tweeted.
Shaq said to a couple different reports that:
1. Tosh told him on the visit that yes, washington had made him an offer, and he didnt know what to do.
2. That Tosh called him on Monday after excepting the Washington job that and asked him to come to Washington.
Fair enough, I’ll post the actual tweet. Apologize for that.
“He came in for a home visit last night and told me he was thinking about taking the UW job and wasn’t sure what he was going to do. I had heard the rumors for the last week but thought there was no way he was going to leave. Then he called me this morning and said UW gave him an offer that he couldn’t refuse and he was leaving. He asked if I would be interested in looking at Washington and said he wants to come back and visit me next week.”
- Shaq Thompson from ESPN interview.
Doesn’t mean we still aren’t upset with it. Not arguing either way, just pointing out the prevailing opinion on multiple Cal message boards. (It seemed like several UWDawgpound members were interested in our reactions.
Very interested in your reactions and your dialogue.
It is a big ole sausage making factory. I’m most interested in seeing that absolutely nobody on CGB has shown appreciation for all that he as done in the past. I get that you are frustrated and dissappointed. But, the vitriolic response to his being in contact with a couple of recruits seems way out of proportion to all the recruits he delivered for you. I didn’t see anyone melting down when he converted Bigelow last year. Seems pretty hypocritical.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
yes i am interested in your reaction
But what you stated was false, I thought it would be fair to defend by DL coach and run coordinator. As well as Shaq Thompson. Furthermore, You also stated on your blog that Washington is the #1 hated now. I would like to know again are you mad at Tosh or are you bad at UW?
From a fan perspective dealing with rivalries, yes.
If you actually read what I said, I mentioned that currently you are #3 on my hated list. #1 and 2 are Cal’s real in state rivals.
I further stated that if both our coaches+Shaq+Payton go to UW then for at least this year, the Cal-Washington then in my perspective UW becomes the most hated. As a result the Cal-Washington game has more significance than it has in the past.
you left out
the best part of your quote. Calling us U-dumb. That is not rivalry to me that is attacking. I love the rival part of college football.
You also now ignored my comment about you getting upset that I corrected you over misquoting Shaq. Ultimately that is the only reason I responded to you.
I admit I called UW Udumb. During the course of that day several things happened on many message boards that incensed my fan fervor for Cal. At games, do fans not boo the other team? Do they not make up semi offensive names for their opponents (especially the ones they care about more)? [i.e. Stanfurd (the rest are not appropriate for a web forum), U$C (also University of Spoiled Children, …), fUCLA (also little bears, mascot thieves, …), the most common ones used at Cal sporting events] The fact that UW has started to become important to us has been something of new circumstance. After the 2009 season when Polk was able to push through Tosh’s DLine and won you the game (and took us out of bowl contention), our dislike of the UW program began. Losing last year hurt a bit more because it was supposed to be a bit of a revenge game, but we didn’t finish. The circumstances of the past 72 hours have pushed us past the point of dislike. It is not as if this has come out of nowhere.
On another note,
I would ask you to please show me where I was upset that I was corrected over the misquoting? Unfortunately I had misread the original tweet and accepted being corrected. I did not make derogatory remarks towards you, nor towards UW at that point. I also apologized for the original misquote. I had been mistaken on the timeline. I will respond to your comment about this timeline in your post further down.
I went even further and posted the original message so that any further arguments made could be backed up by the original message (which you did not, but have further referenced in a post below).
I guess saying getting upset is not the right word
Sorry if i came off attacking but I was just trying to gage where you stood
cmon CoDawg - that's no big deal
Mr. Maxdarkfire is being courteous over here. You can cut him a little slack on a little emotion in the heat of things.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
well said
and again I apologize for rubbing salt in the wound at Cal’s blog
by HuskyInExile on Jan 20, 2012 3:59 AM PST up reply actions
Cal fan here
Obviously there’s bias on both sides of the argument. Understandably so… I don’t get why some dawg fans “can’t understand” why Cal fans are pissed when they don’t even bother trying to understand the whole story.
But ponder this: Did Tosh visit Shaq as a Cal employee or UW?
If Cal, then he essentially used Cal’s in-house visit to sell UW. Shaq himself has said that he brought up that he was “thinking about joining UW.” If it was UW, then that should go against the limit of in-house visits that UW is allowed.
It sounds more like the former case.
Now imagine the roles are reversed and a UW coach was using UW in-house visits with 5* recruits right before switching to another school (let’s say Oregon). Wouldn’t you find that reprehensible?
Or that this coach was supposed to meet Sark to visit a recruit and never bothered showing up (he did this to Tedford)?
I don’t blame Dawg fans. I wish Kiesau good luck as he didn’t f*ck us on the way out. Heck, even Heyward, your own DB coach, said it’s unethical to recruit players to the new team (). And while Tosh is a dawg now, I’d really watch your backs. He f*cked us on the way out.. there’s no saying he doesn’t do the same to you in years to come.
Jim Mora whisked away one of UW's best recruiters and inthe process
Took some of UW’s commits with him. We by and large didn’t have nearly the same meltdown. That’s one reason we we cannot understand completely the severity of the Cal reaction.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 18, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
This is the point. The meltdown over there over him being in contact with a couple of kids that he has personal relationships with...
… Is completely out of whack relative to all those recruits that he delivered and the PSAs he isn’t in contact with.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
I must say that I do have some empathy for their situation.
I’m probably in the minority though
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 18, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
What's your point?
That you’ve been the victim of unethical behavior in the past and, therefore, it’s OK to perpetrate this on other teams? Your own DB coach call this “unethical” behavior.
I also don’t know the specific circumstances per Mora.
Tosh left without a word. Nothing to the coaches who gave him his first coaching job or his kids on the DL. I guess if you’re OK with being scummy that’s on you.
The point is it happens to everybody. It's a cutthroat business.
And at the end of the day, as a coach, you are your own business, and someone has to go down for you to move up. It’s a zero sum game.
I guess whatever it takes
to justify it to yourself.
Fans are gonna be pissed regardless. To be surprised when fans are pissed is like you’ve never visited the internet/sports forum before.
none of us
have said we are surprised your pissed. At least the ones interacting with you know. I think we are questioning your level of madness and who it has been directed towards. Some has been to the coaches but some comments have directed at UW.
This
learned at CGB, which I will never visit again.
Understand the negative sentiment over hiring away coaches, just not the level of emotion, vitriol and languange.
I misbehaved over there, for which I am sorry, but I did NOT / do not understand the context over there. I used no bad languange, and several times praised Cal academics & wished them well, but needled about $$$.
My bad.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 18, 2012 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
No, that's not what I said.
Re-read my statement. I’m sure you’ll arrive at the point that I was making.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 18, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
I think you need to re-read it.
Also consider the manner in which the recruits leave. Did they follow someone? That is all fine if they did it on their own volition. Were they poached? That’s “unethical” according to your own DB coach. Were they poached while he was still officially a UW coach? Well, I’ll let you answer that.
Your statements are borderline irrelevant to what I've said.
Which leads me to wonder: What is it do you think my point was?
If you don’t know or understand my point, which you clearly appear not to, I will go over it, point-for-point, for you.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 18, 2012 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
Typically when one uses the word "also" it indicates
they are speaking on a separate, but related, topic.
Is there a difference between "poached" and "on their own volition"?
I don’t think so – the recruits still have the power to decide which scholarship they want to accept.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Heyward
said one thing and did another so… And the way Tosh left is unconfirmed. If you dont think this is a business your also wrong. It sucks and be mad at Tosh not at Washington.
Cal's recruits are of slightly higher profile than UW's which is why this is getting so much media attention
Martin leaving was barely a blip on the national radar
Martin is a very good recruiter in his own right.
Even if he doesn’t have the prestige as Lupoi does.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 18, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
your assumptions seem faulty
maxdarkfire’s ESPN quote establishes that the next day, via phone, after Tosh had already accepted the UW job, there was a reasonably official offer to Shaq to take a look at Washington. I have no problem with that.
The thing is the night before, all we know is that Lupoi “told [Shaq] he was thinking about taking the UW job and wasn’t sure what he was going to do”. Did Lupoi say that because Shaq asked about all the rumors swirling around Lupoi’s employment? Or did Lupoi just bring that up out of the blue? The second option is more of a wink-nudge-nod-not-asking-but-you-know sort of questionable activity, but I have yet to see any evidence for that over the “well, I was just answering the recruit’s questions honestly” option.
Let's also keep in mind that UW was already heavily in the mix for Shaq
…based on the Wilcox connection. Tosh asking him if he’s still interested in UW hardly seems like a “fucking of Cal fans”
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
He was 100% Cal and then used a Cal in-house visit to recruit for UW.
Those in-house visits are limited per NCAA rules.
You are making false accusations
Without in basis, when the opposite has been stated by the player involved.
Thompson may have liked Wilcox but he was still a Cal lock until Lupoi left
And Tosh asking a recruit to go to UW while on Cal’s dime is pretty low…which is saying something in the world of recruiting.
well, ok
Then he called me this morning and said UW gave him an offer that he couldn’t refuse and he was leaving. He asked if I would be interested in looking at Washington
As I said earlier, where is the evidence that Tosh used his Cal in-home trip the night before to recruit for UW?
The first part of the quote you conveniently left out.
"He came in for a home visit last night and told me he was thinking about taking the UW job and wasn’t sure what he was going to do. I had heard the rumors for the last week but thought there was no way he was going to leave."
If you don’t think he sold UW on his home visit (Cal’s home visit) the night before he asked him to come with him then you’re either stupid, ignorant or both. If the only level of proof that will satisfy you is a direct transcript of the situation, then I have nothing else more to say.
the level of proof that would satisfy *me*?
this is you:
Tosh asked Shaq that night if he would come to UW.
That is a clear statement of fact. It’s also contradicted by the only available evidence about what happened: Shaq’s own ESPN interview saying it didn’t happen until the next morning.
Would I find it believable if it came out Lupoi DID bring up the UW the night before? Yeah. Has anyone presented evidence that was the case? No. Does that give you license to invent solid, confident truths out of thin air? No.
a possibly more interesting point here is how far in advance the in-house trip was scheduled
I’m not familiar with that aspect. If it was planned just a few days in advance, that seems a whole lot sketchier than the timing simply being a particularly awful coincidence, already being planned weeks in advance.
I'm sorry but that's just naive.
Coincidence? Are you serious?
I at least give credit that Sark had intentions of getting 5* safety Shaq considering how bad your DEF is. You can’t be that naive.
Are you saying
That Sark would hire Tosh just to get Shaq Thompson? If so that is quite naive. The rumors about Tosh leaving had been going since Wilcox was hired. And you can bet the first thing Wilcox told Sark was that he thought he could get Tosh. So they negotiations started then. Cal tried to match it but couldnt.
Again, Tosh did not offer Shaq to washington on Sunday. Shaq was offered to Washington along time ago. Shaq has not signed a LOI. From what we have been told from our sources and yours that on SUnday night Tosh was still hoping he would be a Bear. Things changed either late sunday or early Monday. Do you think Tosh would be recruiting for Washington when he was still hoping that Cal would increase the offer? Come on man.
I get your mad. And I would be too. I would be damn mad my best coach left. I dont not find what he did out of the ordinary in any business setting. and certainly not unethical
OK so Shaq says he asked in the morning
I misremembered and it was no attempt at fabrication of details.
But I think you’re missing the main (and original) point which was that he used the Cal’s in-house visit the night before he asked Shaq to come to UW and during that visit he, in the least, mentioned he was thinking about taking the UW job.
I’m saying it’s naive to think that that’s ALL he did and the extent to which he used the Cal in-house for UW purposes is likely more than just mentioning he was interested. I’m also calling this unethical.
that's a good idea, let's take a step back and restate our main points
in principle, I think if Lupoi knew he was in serious negotiations with the UW, he should have had someone else take point on the in-home trip to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest.
without drawing final conclusions, knowing only what we know at the moment, the way he did it looks sketchy. Not awful, but sketchy. you’ll call it sleazy. fine.
that still doesn’t give you license to make declarative statements about how “he used a Cal in-house trip to recruit for UW”, or “Tosh asked Shaq that night if he would come to UW”.
The whole quote
was posted above by one of your fellow bears after I called him out for misquoting Shaq. You also took this part of the quote out of context. To me it sounds like Shaq asked him and Tosh was honest in his answer. Everything else you guys have said paints the picture that Tosh was still trying to decide and that it wasnt until the next day that Sark up’ed his offer. So at the time Tosh didnt even know if he was leaving.
Try Again
Believe what you will
but if you think the timing is all coincidence then I have some property I’d like to sell you.
all make you an offer
Because its obvious you don’t understand how a business is ran let alone how to not out words in peoples mouths
by CODawg on Jan 19, 2012 12:12 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
you're making a major leap
To suggest that’s obvious that Tosh was selling the UW to Shaq on his home visit representing Cal is a major leap given the evidence at hand.
I get that you guys are upset, but you’re acting like petulant, spurned ex-girlfriends looking to invent any reason to be pissed.
Is it considering it was the night he skipped town and joined Sark?
I think you have to give these guys more credit. He was smart enough to play Cal and UW for huge bump in salary.
Sark is smart enough with his timing and getting all the best recruiters.
Yet somehow the visit to Shaq is simply a coincidence.
????
that's a possible explanation
Another is that he really was genuinely conflicted. I’ve seen nothing to indicate that Tosh was looking to leave; sure seems like he wanted to give Cal every opportunity to retain him. In his head, he was still a Cal Bear, and he expected to stay that way. But when Tedford told him there were limits to how far Cal could go in terms of pay, and Sark blew away that figure, he suddenly had to re-evaluate everything.
I have no idea how far in advance coaches schedule in-home visits, but I’d guess it’s at least a few days. I really doubt at the time his visit with Shaq was scheduled that he figured Washington’s offer would even be an issue. Let’s say Sark’s last offer came the day of his visit with Shaq – you realistically think Tosh should’ve called Tedford and said “Hey, I got a crazy big offer from Sark, and to be honest, I’m starting to wonder if I shouldn’t take it?” Because if you do, I’ll use your line right back atcha – I’ve got some property I’d like to sell you.
I find it pretty amusing that the qualities that everyone extolled Tosh for as a recruiter – his honesty, his ability to relate to these kids and be a true sounding board for them are now all thrown out the window now that he’s left; now he’s a scumbag two-timing deceiver.
Whatever. I know it stings to lose him, but to any objective observer you guys come across like a jilted ex looking for any molehill to turn into a mountain of hate to rationalize the abandonment.
My Thoughts
To me the Shaq thing appears to be. Shaq asked him and he was honest about. Can you blame him for that. To me it would be worse if he denied the whole thing. I think that is why Shaq is now considering UW again.
Heyward can say what he wants but if his new employer told him to go recruit the same kids he would. And he has talked to Beaver. So….
I think its naive to expect a coach not to recruit kids to there new school when they leave. Ones that tell you they dont are just plain liars. I would be mad at the coach yes. But not at the school as a whole
To me, the fact that Shaq said, “[he] told me he was thinking about taking the UW job and wasn’t sure what he was going to do” seems to imply that Tosh brought the subject up. The active verb that Shaq was “told” has a connotation that it did not come from Shaq
But then again, this is just assumptions of both us. We will really just have to see how it pans out.
Given that it is pure speculation
Aren’t Cal fans going way overboard with their accusations. No one knows. Most Cal fans that post on these blogs aren’t willing to consider the alternative.
Fact is
We’ll likely never know exactly what was said and when. It’s pure speculation on both sides of the argument.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 18, 2012 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe it is part of the healing process
It is easier for them to consider Tosh a jerk and move on rather than look at the facts. To me it is very telling that he sat in the house of Ellis McCarthy on Sunday night and was adamant about staying at Cal and denied that he was going to Washington. I think he really wasn’t at the time and got an offer he couldn’t turn down.
His own DL players said
that he didn’t even say goodbye and found out about everything through the UW press release.
The guy didn’t show up to a different recruits house where he was supposed to meet our HC.
He skipped town while our HC was on a plane.
So far that seems pretty jerk-ish to me.
how he left is how pretty mush every coaching departure works
It’s extremely rare for a coach to address his players he’s leaving behind. And pretty much every departure happens with an extremely rapid pace that rarely leaves time for formal good-byes and notifications to their former bosses.
It’s just the nature of the beast.
So if he’s now a jerk, does that mean you all take back all the glowing praise you had for him when he was a Bear, how honest and earnest and great he was at relating to players as people and not just prospects?
This is plain wrong.
There are many documented instances of coaches addressing players before they leave, coaches giving advance notice so HC’s can fill their roles and coaches NOT poaching recruits.
But if that’s what you need to justify what your coach has done then so be it. Put your blinders on.
what you are describing
is the exception not the rule. Nuss cleaned his office out 3 days before Alabama announced it.
Lupoi apparently tried reaching Tedford while Tedford was on the plane.
Unable to reach him, he left a message.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 18, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Are you that naive?
Those schedules are predetermined beforehand.
To$h was supposed to meet him to visit a recuit.
But suddenly he’s too dumb to realize where Tedford would be?
I'm just going off of the information that's available to us. Naivety has nothing to do with it.
When Tedford got off the plane, he got had a voice message on his cell phone from Tosh, which suggests that while he was on the plane, Tosh tried calling him. Unable to reach him, Tosh left a message.
As for the rest of your statements, it has nothing to do with what I’ve said, not only did you miss my point, you’ve put words into my mouth. That’s the second or third time now. I’m beginning to wonder about your reading and comprehension skills.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 19, 2012 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
You need to step back on this.
If you make the decision to quit a job you don’t stick around to get flamed for it. You’re upset over him visiting one recruit the night before leaving, and then you’re pissed off he doesn’t show up at another, even though you’re already calling the in-house before he quit sleazy? At that point, he would be an employ of the UW, and did not have an in-home visit scheduled. Given the uproar over it, once you made the decision would stick around to get crucified by the Berkeley media just because your HC was elsewhere?
You feel betrayed, frustrated, but nothing you’ve brought up sounds like he intentionally flipped you the bird on the way out.
This just happened to us with Demetrius Martin
It was reported that he was hired by Jim Mora while on a recruiting trip in Cali. He was down there on UW’s dime. It is said that when he got the call from Mora he took off the UW jacket he was wearing, threw it in a dumpster and went to go buy a UCLA jacket so he could begin recruiting for UCLA…..while down in Cali on UW’s dime. He has taken 5 or 6 players that had been commited to us away and they are now commited to UCLA.
It wasn't about him actually being there on Cal's dime
It was him using Cal’s in-home visit (NCAA only allows one) to sell UW. Cal has no opportunity to use it’s in-home visit with a coach that actually is selling Cal.
give me one fact of evidence that this happens
You are making what i would call libelous accusations about a coach.
Martin was using UW’s in-homes as well. Bottom line is Tosh, if true, isn’t doing anything out of the ordinary. Until the NCAA steps in and sets guide lines this is just the way the game is played unfortunately. It’s only going to get worse as salaries and the over all amount of money involved increases.
It's not overboard.
Perhaps many of you are not familiar with the history of Tosh.
1. Tosh grew up several miles from Cal. His grandfather opened a store in a nearby city.
2. Tosh went to De La Salle, a high school football factory also near Cal.
3. He joined the Cal football team and played for us.
4. He was brought on as a graduate assistant.
5. He was promoted to coach, one of the youngest in America at the time. People said we were stupid to give this guy a chance.
6. Turns out he’s a good recruiter. etc. etc.
So it’s not like he’s just a normal coach passing through. The guy has been a fabric of Cal football. You could say that our standards were higher for him. We thought he was dedicated to Cal football and the kids he recruited. We didn’t not consider him like he was just another assistant coach passing through doing 2 year stints here and there.
So given that, the timing (2 weeks before LOI signing day), the poaching (Shaq, Jordan Payton, Michael Barton), the lack of notice and the stories that have been corroborated by multiple sources and vouched for by respected people in the Bear journalism community (people who have no angle or bias to slander Tosh unnecessarily) then maybe you’ll understand why people think he is a dishonorable as$hat and that it’s not just an overreaction by the bear community.
Maybe this isn’t too obvious but consider that you’re wrong and our anger is justified.
Anyway..
my time is up here.
I have nothing against Dawg fans except maybe the naivete and the odd users who come over to our boards to scold us (what gives?).
Our anger is against Tosh.
Watch your back. The dude will stick a knife in it when you least expect it.
Thanks fresh
We’ve got nothing against you guys either, save for one Saturday every fall.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 18, 2012 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
You sound like a scorned lover . . . .
The dude will stick a knife in it when you least expect it.
He obviously loves Cal, we just offered too much money for him to say no. Welcome to capitalism.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
If the SEC steals him in a year or two by offering him $1 million a year and an airplane,
I’ll be disappointed, but I doubt I’ll consider it a stab in the back.
by Mind of no mind on Jan 19, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
all you Cal fans angry at how Lupoi left need to watch this
Ted Miller has no allegiances when it comes to Pac-12 football. It’s worth listening to an objective, outside perspective. Oddly enough, he makes the same points I do, and also points good reasons to be skeptical about these “insider allegations” against Lupoi:
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/33463/video-on-tosh-lupoi
Take those insider allegations with a grain of salt – if the sources are from within the Cal AD (and that’s the suggestion), it’s hard to take them seriously given the fact that it’s in their best interests to make Lupoi’s departure look as bad as possible in order to deflect anger away from the AD for not being able to retain him.
That was a very good video to watch
Thanks for sharing that.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 19, 2012 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
They all left
The basically came and tried to crap on our parade and then split. You need to post this over on there board.
I'm sure it got linked there...
…and I’m sure they don’t want to hear it and think Ted doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
So, again, Cal fans...
… does an innuendo left behind during an in-house on Cal’s dime override all of the recruits that he has delivered and players he has developed over his tenure at Cal? Your hatred for the man now is so out of balance – no wonder he left.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Hell hath no fury like a lover scorned
And they obviously loved the guy.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 19, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
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