Keith Heyward Hired As Defensive Backs Coach
Sarkisian was able to lure the Beaver away from his alma mater where he served in the same capacity.
"Keith is a bright, young coach and a terrific recruiter," Sarkisian said. "I think he'll be a great fit with our new defensive staff, in particular Justin Wilcox, our new coordinator."
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CODawg posted this 4 hours ago :O
Roast Duck is a delicacy.
Can you front page the rumors about Tosh to get everyone turgid on this grey winter day?
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
Yeah
I’m just giving you crap for being slow on the trigger during dead week
Roast Duck is a delicacy.
Yay, rumours!!!
Julio Nievas is a ATQ thread:
Heard this:
UW has offered Tosh Lupoi a shload of money. The story is Wilcox is recruiting him to join the staff. UW has offered
Lupoi a deal that Cal cannot match.
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@JulioNievas"
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I believe it
There’s no good reason for the UW to not throw a lot of money at Lupoi. Chances are he’ll leverage that interest into a big raise so he can stay at his alma mater, but why not make a run at him and see if he has the ability to say no? At worst, Sark would cause Cal some pain in having to bump Lupoi’s salary, and then probably have to bump other staff salaries too so that the rest of the coaches don’t bitch too much.
Said Wilcox offered asst. DC as well....
This tells me all I need to know about Sark’s commitment, he REALLY wants to win here…
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 12, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Say a lot about Sark
that he can pull guys from their alma mater to do the same job. I know money is involved here but I think that’s pretty impressive. It says a lot about Sark and how outside opinions are about our program. People are understanding that the Dawgs are an upward trend. Go Huskies!
by datboyeddiep on Jan 13, 2012 6:20 AM PST up reply actions
maybe maybe
I like thinking of it my way better.
by datboyeddiep on Jan 15, 2012 6:07 AM PST up reply actions
here's what it is IMO
Nuss doesn’t call plays here, and he’s viewed in much the same way as Nick Holt at USC under Pete Carroll – a coordinator in name only.
Going to Alabama does a number of things for him:
- Likely a significant raise
- More than likely far more control over play-calling and running the offense
- Even more exposure at Alabama than he gets here
All of which in combination should give him a better shot at getting decent head coach job offers down the line.
On another note...
Does it shock anyone at how young all these guys are so far? I guess i’m not to shocked, young guys bring fresh ideas as to how to attack some of these new offensive philosophies. But I guess I was expecting someone maybe a little more experienced at one of the positions, anyone concerned?
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 12, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think Sark
Saw for 3 years that the older coaches could not recruit up to the level that Sark wanted. Holt, Mills, and Cox were probably our weakest recruiters. I think that Sarks experience has been that he prefers younger coaches because of the recruiting factor as well as the vibe of the program. We are not an established enough of a program where kids are going to just want to come here so we have to spend more time recruiting and selling UW. I think that is reason for a younger coaching staff.
I also think that because Sark is a young guy he wants to surround himself with other people like him. It creates a more fun work environment.
Well, i'm all for it on the recruiting angle
I guess in Wilcox and Sark we trust then. I want to be really excited for this move and all the rumors!!!
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 12, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I'm not worried about it
I agree with Dawgfan. Younger guys bring energy and excitement. Some older guys do to but we were weak at recruiting on defense, now it is a strength. If we can get Tosh Lupoi here too, wow just wow.
by datboyeddiep on Jan 13, 2012 6:24 AM PST up reply actions
How much is too much?
Biggins tweeting it might take “1 mil” for Lupoi to leave Cal and come north. With new TV money coming I see us having an open check book. It would be ahead of the curve the way football salaries are going. Wouldnt mind being the Jone’s instead if truing to keep up with them.
by CgHawk360 on Jan 12, 2012 9:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I just read this and...
WOW, 1 mil for an assistant? That’s crazy talk right? How would that go over with all the rest of the assistants? I love that Sark is really wanting this guy but man, I dunno. Saw a comment saying “So this is what it must be like to be a Yankee fan”. For sure..
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
D-coordinator
You have to imagine for a million he will have some fancy title. Oklahoma has 3 defensive coordinators, so us having 2 wouldn’t be a big deal. As for the money, like I said with the way money is flowing around college football, hoe long until this becomes the norm and were behind the proverbial 8 ball and mid level coaching talent costs this much. Seems to me spend the money now on the best talent. Coach O down at U$C makes $650k to be a d-line coach and recruit with the best of them.
by CgHawk360 on Jan 12, 2012 10:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting..
http://www.bearinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54266
Along with a confirmation on Softy’s FB page of 650k.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 12, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
there's a limit to how much they should spend on him
While there is disparity among the paychecks that assistants get on a staff, there is generally a hierarchy, with the coordinators/“assistant head coaches” getting the biggest paychecks and the position coaches lesser salaries.
Keep in mind Nussmeier makes in the mid $300K range. He’s due a big raise anyway (though it would be a moot point if he leaves for Alabama), but you’re not going to pay a position coach – regardless of how good of a recruiter he is – more than a coordinator.
You also have to factor in ruffled feathers among the rest of the staff. Let’s say Lupoi accepted an offer of $650K to come here – you think that might not bother a guy like Heyward if he’s only making, say, $200K?
I’m not saying to not make a big play for Lupoi, but just know that a big salary offer to him likely means you’d have to shell out big raises all around the rest of the staff in order to keep everyone happy, or at least not grumbling too loudly.
If Hayward agreed to $200k, he can be as pissed as he wants
the salaries of other coaches should hold no bearing on what it takes to get Lupoi.
you live in a dreamworld
You really think that paying Lupoi significantly more than the other position coaches won’t result in some dissension amongst the staff?
Maybe, but
I don’t see why it would now? Holt doubled up Nuss’s salary previously. He tripled almost all the other coaches. If none of them can understand the value in bringing in one of the 5 best recruiters in the country and how that helps keep them gainfully employed, tough titties. Next time don’t sign a contract, or just grow the F up and play it out and get a new deal.
I’m not saying it’s not a possibility, I just don’t get why it’s a big deal. All of our coaches are paid at least market value, its’ not like they can just take off for more money.
I'm sure it bugged Nuss what Holt was making
Nuss has proven to be better at his job than Holt was. Nuss almost certainly is going to get a big raise if he elects not to take the Alabama job, both because he’s earned it and to reset the pay hierarchy within the coaching staff (especially since Wilcox is likely going to make somewhere between $700K-$1M).
That said, the bigger issue to me is the hierarchy within a staff. If you pay Lupoi $600K, you’d damn well better be paying your coordinators even more than that. And you’d better be mindful that other position coaches could feel put off about making far less than Lupoi.
Using Heyward again as an example – when he’s busting his butt, recruiting his tail off and coaching up his kids, you think there won’t come times that he’s thinking “why the hell is this other guy making 3x what I am – he’s not doing 3x the job I am…”
It’s human nature to grumble about pay if you think someone else is doing a similar job and getting paid far more for it.
You're right, I guess
If the biggest concern is a pissed off position coach, I suppose I’m willing to take that gamble to land Lupoi. The hierarchy proposal you threw out seems nice and all. But in the internet age, with Scout/Rivals/Crazy Ruth getting the fans in a frenzy about recruits, the power shift may have already happened. The fact that we’re even discussing paying a position coach 3/4 of a million dollars shows me that recruiting might be as valuable as a DC or OC and that the hierarchy might have shifted.
Also
why the hell is this other guy making 3x what I am – he’s not doing 3x the job I am…
It’s because he made him self though negotiations or resume 3x more valuable than you. Either that or you shorted yourself the same ways. It shouldn’t be human nature to blame people because you have a shortcoming in demonstrating your value in a contract negotiation < /rant >
If you pay Lupoi $600K, you’d damn well better be paying your coordinators even more than that.
If the rumor about Wilcox being willing to have Lupoi as a co-coordinator is true, then all you’d really have to do is have Lupoi and Wilcox fairly close to the same level. Especially since Tosh would be the d-line coach as well.
As far as Nussmeier goes, yes, he should (and most likely will) get a raise if he stays. But if Sarkisian chooses to maintain the status quo with regard to how he handles the defense, then the defensive coordinator(s) could justifiably make a fair amount more than he is.
I've heard that too
But in terms of addressing and quashing any potential grumbling within a staff – these guys know who does the work, so if Tosh were given a title of assistant DC, if he’s not actually doing that level of work, the rest of the guys will know.
This is all speculative of course – for all I know, the rest of the guys on the staff feel that Tosh is a good coach and a fantastic recruiter and worth paying whatever it takes to get him here.
I’m just pointing out potential reasons why throwing a dumptruck full of money at him might have collateral repercussions within the existing staff. And who’s to say that Woodward isn’t willing to bump the assistant salary pool to keep grumbling to a minimum?
Experience comes into play as well
I think you have way oversimplified this. There is an opening at my office right now. My boss NEEDS someone with experience to may his goals this year. I know for a fact that if he finds someone with experience from another bank he will pay that person much more than me. Does it suck a little? sure but I understand its part of business and you have to overpay people sometimes. I wouldnt cause dissension over it.
On issues like this
I take the opinions of folks like Biggins with a grain of salt.
Before you consider his information, you HAVE to ask yourself; how does a high school football recruiting analyst get information on the inner circle workings of the sacredly guarded coaching brotherhood; a fraternity that is so closed that even news reporters don’t have access to it?
I submit that Biggins is merely making conjectures.
by onewoodwacker on Jan 13, 2012 4:09 AM PST up reply actions
Biggins is HIGHLY connected
He talks to college coaches all the time. I think you’d be surprised how much of the info on recruiting sites comes from coaches speaking off the record (because public comments would be recruiting violations).
Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Biggins is basing his speculation on what it would take to get Lupoi directly from Lupoi himself.
Some connected booster would be a better option
They did the same thing for Holt before the TV contract, so getting somebody to put up half (or all) of that ransom to get Lupoi up here is another option.
Most of that TV money is going to go into coffers for leaner years.
Lupoi deserves the money, but I'm
not sure Cal can support that big payday – Tedford is taking all the cash there.
by onewoodwacker on Jan 13, 2012 3:56 AM PST up reply actions
Destiny Vaeao
Is this kid the poster child for sleeper recruit? Anybody from Samoa know anything about him?
Jake down to 2
ESPN insider link
Between UW and the cougs:
"I’m looking at both of these schools objectively," Eldrenkamp said. "I’m really looking forward to this visit to Washington State, this will be my first time ever visiting Pullman. Coach [Eric] Russell from Washington State came for a home visit last week and that went well.
"I’m also looking forward to meeting Coach [Mike] Leach. I’ve only talked to him on the phone so far but he seems like a really good coach and it will be interesting to see what he can do with the program. I know he’ll have a very exciting offense so I’m looking forward to this visit."
Before Eldrenkamp heads to Washington next weekend, he’ll have some very important visitors in his home.
"Coach [Steve] Sarkisian and Coach [Dan] Cozzetto will be coming over from Washington and Coach Leach will be over as well next week," Eldrenkamp said. "My relationship with the coaching staff as well as the players on the team is a big factor for me in making my decision.
"I know it’s cliché but of course the academics are very big as well. These next two visits will be very important to me and will tell me a lot about both schools and where the best fit for me really is."
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having a hard time imagining we lose this battle
I guess it’ll help to know what Eldrenkamp is interested in studying. WSU is legitimately a better school in certain disciplines, but in general academic considerations would have to favor the UW.
Also said his parents are UW grads
But the way this year has gone, nothing would shock me at this point…
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 12, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
Not that I know how either school's compare in this.
But I think a lot of times when players refer to academics they mean what sort of resources the AD provides in order to help them succeed as opposed to the academic reputation of the school.
Of course when it’s Stanford vs WSU and they say academics is important that is a bit different, but I think a large majority just want a school that will help them graduate in 4 years.
He has two Ivy League offers
and is close to a 4.0 student. I don’t see him opting for WSU.
Expect to Win!!!
bingo
This isn’t the typical kid who, when talking about academics, means what kind of support he gets to help him stay eligible; he’s a legit high-level student who appears to really care about his education.
I sure hope he picks UW.
He is very impressive, especially as a run blocker.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 12, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Brandon Beaver on Heyward hire via twitter
“Coach Heyward(udub new coach) told David Ross “You will never play for me, you might as well transfer” when he was at OregonState"
“David Ross was a All American corner that came from my high school”
Bringing Purple to Pullman
by Harry the Husky on Jan 12, 2012 7:55 PM PST reply actions
Ouch..
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Jan 12, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Poop
That doesn’t sound like a ringing endorsement.
by CgHawk360 on Jan 12, 2012 8:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Remember...There's At Least 2 Sides To Every Poop!
I heard he transferred to Portland State? I’m having a really hard time imagining a 4 star all american not getting a lot more in the way of options to transfer to unless…? Like I said, there’s more to the story I’m guessing…like he didn’t want to work that hard or other maturity issues…But this too is speculative…just wondering what the truth is? I hope Brandon Beaver realizes that if he is good enough he will shine in a big way here as a Dawg! Don’t be shy!
Yes
Brandon,
I would like you to join our football team.
Sincerely,
ME
Bringing Purple to Pullman
by Harry the Husky on Jan 12, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Kenny Stills did
it’s a lot easier to adjust when you’re getting unreported benefits. I work with a guy who’s daughter knows/dates a member of the ASU BB team. He’s specifically said that “Athletes are very well taken care of” in regards to how he affords things without working.
My point, since I can't seem to actually spit it out
is that location isn’t really as big of a factor, outside of being close to home. To an 18 year old, Seattle and Norman aren’t that different when you’re having your ego stroked and getting playing time.
[obvious statement alert]depends on the kid[/obvious statement alert]
Sure, you can imagine all kinds of shady reasons why a kid from L.A. might like Norman ($$$ under the table); in general though, I would bet you that most urban kids would prefer to stay in an urban location where they don’t feel like a fish out of water.
There are exceptions of course – not everyone that grows up in an urban environment finds it preferable – some enjoy going someplace more laid-back and rural.
My guess is that Beaver is intrigued by Oklahoma because of their success, but he probably will prefer Seattle as a location to Norman.
Of course, if he has a grudge against Heyward, location probably won’t matter much.
I don't know
I was so eager to get out of Seattle when I was 18 that I moved to Oregon before almost taking a job in South Carolina. It didn’t matter where I was going, and Spartanburg, SC looked exactly the same as LA. I might not have adjusted, but I was too stupid then to figure it out before I left. I think you’re overestimating just how sheltered and oblivious kids these days are (having been that age myself only 9 years ago).
These kids have all the social skills of a Howler monkey.
…some of them have an IQ to match. There is nothing to be gained by listening to anything they say. They are cogs for the machine, nothing more. They need to earn the right for anyone to give a damn what they think. Better yet, score a TD or make a tackle, and then pop off.
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by Steen on Jan 12, 2012 8:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
"Howard Cosell"....Is That You?
However,excluding the unfortunate referrence… I totally agree with you about the TD’s and Tackles!
Coach Heyward
Welcome to the University of Washington. We look forward to watching your body of work be put to the test.
Hasty offer?
Now that we have Heyward as DB coach and the UW has great need for DBs and OSU had offered Hasty do you think Hasty gets offer from UW?
Looked at OSU commit list not much to pouch – However I see Smith TE has reopened his recruitment he would be a nice get for the Dawgs. Also OSU commit CB Wallace may open his recruitment now per tweeter.
"Come...Bring Your Best To The Land Of The Dawgs...
Where the air is fresher…The Stadiums Are Newer…And The Coaches And Dawgpound Love You!
Did Sark, in his conference call, just say we will run a 3-4?
Anyone else hear that?
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Being reported, yes.
But also will run multiple looks
by TualatinDawg on Jan 13, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Was more of a conference call with media. Sark's on now with Softy if anyone's interested.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 13, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting tidbit just now...
Sark stating that he’s already finding out that Wilcox and Sirmon are excellent recruiters.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 13, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
The flexibility of a hybrid standup guy is pretty important, I think.
…what we trade off in terms of control of the LOS, we make up for in our ability to get more bodies into the zones where the read option teams are trying to make plays in. It definitely puts more pressure on our linebackers and guys like Josh Shirley. It’s a tall order.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
can Shirley cover receivers?
The issue with Shirley is it appears his best trait – by far – is pinning his ears back to rush the passer. Not sure if he has the ability to cover receivers which would be a bigger part of his responsibilities as a 3-4 OLB.
The decision with Shirley could pivot on the negative,
Instead of what’s he best at, what is he least bad at? Coverage or against the run? You’ll get the pass rush with both.
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true
I guess we’ll see. The previous staff obviously felt better about Shirley vs. the run than Shirley covering receivers. Maybe Sirmon can coach him up to be functional in coverage?
Shirley can be very similar to Demarcus Ware in a 3-4 base.
He doesn’t have to be great in coverage to do so but his upside is huge. I can’t wait to see how he develops next year.
The weak end position in a 4-3...
It’s pretty much the same as the WOLB is a 3-4. More like than unlike, anyway.
They definitely appeared to scale back how much coverage responsiblity Shirley had as opposed to what Jamora had before getting hurt (and probably went nickel a little more than they might’ve otherwise). It seems like Jamora did more in coverage this year than last year. Could be a shift in scheme, or him being more comfortable doing it.
You have to think that Shirley has just scratched the surface of what he’ll be able to do as either an end or a linebacker.
The way I took it:
It sounded like he meant we’d run a 3-4 more often, but the 4-3 would still be our base formation.
I honestly believe you have to have dual bases in this league
And it might be wise to have dual coordinators who specialize in those 2 base formations. Versus the spread your best base is the 3-4, vs. pro the 4-3. It would certainly be an innovative approach to defensive philosophy, which Lambo commented about. But to use dual base defenses, would require interchangable parts.
All I saw was purple
Because some here think Nick Montana is dreamy and will care about this:
TexasHSFootball.com is reporting:
Breaking: QB Nick Montana will most likely transfer to Blinn JC and play for the Bucs next season, per a source close to THSF
https://twitter.com/#!/texashsfootball
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yes, that's exactly how we've described Nick Montana
Good thing you never wildly distort what any of us say.
I'm just having fun.
If you’re really worried I don’t think you see his blond mane, granite chin, rakish smile and blue eyes as dreamy.
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Twitter is like a gangbang, things get passed along quite easily.
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by Steen on Jan 13, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't write it...
And, no, I don’t think it makes sense, either.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
Yeah, I figured.
Just making sure everyone else knows that my integrity is unassailable. I don’t just make things up, I post things other people have made up.
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I'm with
CAHusky as this does not surprise me in the least. In all honesty, I’m surprised it went this long. I don’t question Nick’s heart or his willingness to compete – he wants playing time, he wants the chance to get out on the field and prove his worth. I think he looks at his current situation and says: unless Keith Price seriously injures something, I will not get the playing time I want. And I, for one, can’t blame him for wanting that.
by onewoodwacker on Jan 14, 2012 3:40 AM PST up reply actions
doesn't surprise me at all
i figured he would transfer with price firmly entrenched as the starter the next 2 years as long as he’s healthy. with lindquist and miles coming in, it’s unlikely he would start after price is gone.
blinn is a jc powerhouse. it makes sense to get some good coaching and playing time for a year before finishing up at another school. worked pretty well for cam newton
One of these shapes is not like the other, one of these shapes is not the same!
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by Steen on Jan 13, 2012 7:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
How in the hell did Mora
know that Shane Brostek even existed? I would bet a sizable amount; that before he took the UCLA job, Mora was pretty involved with his ESPN announcing position and spent no time on high school recruiting. Yet, in two weeks, he has engineered a Brostek visit to UCLA? A month ago, NO one on the UCLA staff was even recruiting Shane Brostek. Hmmm.
oh, come on
Of course Mora wasn’t going to come into his job with a deep understanding of the recruiting pool out there – that’s why he hired assistants with college experience. You think that guys like Martin, Klemm, Yarber, Broussard, McClure, etc. wouldn’t know all about Brostek?
I guess I’m not understanding your point.
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