Grading the Game
Quarterback
Keith Price was one of the biggest reasons Washington won this game. His numbers weren't all that impressive. He was 17-25 for only 102 yards but he had three TD passes. His most important stat was no turnovers even though he didn't get much or any support from his receivers or linemen. When Price needed to run he ran well. He did get a little banged up in the second quarter and finished the game wearing a knee brace. The thing I really like about Keith is he puts UW in a position to win games. He isn't the second coming of Johnny Unitas but a guy who doesn't lose games for you is...well...priceless. I would love to see him go deep but maybe he just doesn't have the arm which could end up being a long term concern. - Grade B
Running Backs
Chris Polk and Jessie Callier turned in their usual stellar performances. Chris picked up 147 needed yards on the ground only two weeks after having knee surgery. Callier picked up 47 and Sankey showed the same flash he has shown all fall. Most of these yards were picked up with little help up front from the offensive line. Jonathan Amosa picked up the first TD of the year. - Grade B Plus
Receivers
Way too many dropped balls and not nearly enough yards after the catch. Kasen Williams picked up his first TD pass but I was didn't like the cocky action immediately after the TD catch. I hate that type of showboat crap. Jermaine Kearse and Devin Aguilar were non factors. James Johnson was a definite bright spot who led UW receivers with four catches. Just a poor overall performance by this group. The EWU receivers outperformed these primadonna's all night.- Grade D
Tight Ends
This unit is green but you can really see the potential. Michael Hartvigson is the best of the group at this point because he is the best blocker. These guys are going to improve quickly and become one of the strengths of the team.- Grade B
Offensive Line
I think we all expected quite a bit more. As a group these kids were absolutely terrible. Erik Kohler has become the next Cody Habben. He spent most of the evening being pancaked by 1-AA defensive linemen. As for the rest of these guys I can't say a single positive thing because they all sucked. This is the best offensive line Sark has had at Washington? If these guys play like this the rest of the season the Huskies won't win more than three games. - Grade D Minus
Defensive Tackle
No pressure...absolutely no pressure most of the night against a 1-AA foe. Alameda Ta'amu played like a big fat pile of goo. He was dominated most of the evening by players who had no business being on the same playing field with him. No pressure from the ends which was a surprise....did anyone ever hear Everrette Thompson's name mentioned? - Grade D
Defensive End
Where were these guys all night? I thought this was going to be the debut of constant speed and pressure harassing opposing quarterbacks. Oh by the way...what was your favorite Josh Shirley moment? - Grade D
Linebacker
Thank God for Cort Dennison. I love this kid and if he hadn't been in the game Washington would have lost the game by 14.Cort looks a helluva lot more sculpted this season...pretty obvious he worked his butt off during the off season. Timu and Fui are works in progress who will only get better as time goes on. The backups are all in the same boat...great potenital players who are really green. - Grade C Plus (....but give Cort a B plus)
Secondary
Trufant saved the game with a last second interception but this was his worst overall performance as a Husky. He just didn't show up and it was obvious that his coaches have not done a good job getting him and the rest of the DB's prepared. Ducre and Gobern were probably worse if that is even possible. Fellner and Parker both stunk it up at safety. They were out of position all night. - Grade F
Special Teams
The biggest bright spot of the evening if you ask me. The return and coverage games seem to be improved.We didn't turn the ball ove rand we didn't seem to make any mistakes. Big plus compared to last season at this time. - Grade B Plus
Coaching
I really wish Sark would delegate the play calling. He isn't sharp enough to run the entire game and call all the plays with success...that being said nobody really is...it is all an ego thing. I thought he did a great of getting Price read to play and as usual Chris Polk saved his bacon by picking up nearly 150 yards on his own. I can't believe that I bought the BS that this offensive line was explosive...how about as simply very green and challenged at this point.
I love Nick Holt but he didn't have his kids prepared to play. His defenders were out of position all night not to mention that they seemed to be simply uninspired. When you give up 473 yards to Eastern Washington you have to question everything. One thing I would really question is if Nick Holt is worth all the money he is getting. It is year three and things aren't improving. I'm not saying that I can scheme better than him...but the coaches at little old Eastern owned him on Saturday...that bothers me and should bother you. - Grade D
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In my opinion
Offensively there is no identity. Are we a one back team, shotgun spread team, speard read team, 2 back team…what is the identity. Without a clear vision, you get these nonsense formations and a lot of bells and whistles with no clear focus. This offense has no continuity.
Defensively, we are bend but dont break. that leads to 5-6 win seasons. our offense isnt good enough to carry the load. 3rd and long and we dont bring any pressure is terrible game planning. If we had a monster DE who could get it done on his own, then fine, I get the idea, but we dont. WR’s of that caliber will get open if given that amount of time. The QB cannot have that kind of time to let the WR’s get to 15-20 yds. Either way, I tired of watching these UW defenses give up big play after big play. Where were all the athletes!?
Dave...
It was tough to watch this crap…this game was a complete mess…
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by John Berkowitz on Sep 3, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought our "identity"
was going to be a smashmouth, run it down your throat team. Just like the bowl game..
Why? He just got his knee scoped 2 weeks ago.
I’m still surprised he even played. Gratefully surprised…
He had 23 carries for 125 yards, 5.4 yard avg
Callier had 10 for 47
"Out of bounds you stupid guy!"
by Modrik Zutar on Sep 3, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd grade Price higher than that.
I don’t recall him missing a single throw the whole game. They weren’t all perfect but every ball he threw was catchable. As for the defense, a lot of our experienced players kept getting themselves knocked out of the game and Shirley was absolutely BLOWN UP on kickoff coverage. Ducre definitely struggled filling in at the other corner and the young linebackers were out of position often. The defense will fare a lot better against running teams and with the return of Richardson but what concerns me the most is the atrocious play of the offensive line and the fact that Hawaii is a significantly better passing team than Eastern. Fortunately for us Hawaii is coming across the Pacific a week after playing Colorado on their turf and they have to play at 12:30PM here. Hopefully they’ll forget to wake up in the morning because their passing attack will shred us if we’re out of position this badly.
Every ball was catchable...
…but 102 yards through the air doesn’t cut it.
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by John Berkowitz on Sep 3, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn't miss any throws because he didn't look downfield at all
…he got jack shit from his line, so I’ll save judgement, but I’m concerned
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
he looked downfield at least once...
…hit his target perfectly in stride, and of course it was dropped (Kevin Smith).
Jimmy Daugherty needs to be put on notice this year – still way too many drops.
No joke
That ball to Smith was a pretty pass and the entire stadium thought it was good for a td, only to have reality shattered as we watched the ball roll into the end zone. There was a collective groan like “This again?”
"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson
by Willie Mays Haze on Sep 4, 2011 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Pull'em
We have enough depth that they need to start sitting guys for a quarter or half when they miss catchable balls.
also...
…reading the reports (and I had no idea from the stands), Price banged up his knee in the 2nd quarter, and Sark didn’t want to expose him after that by running a lot of downfield pass patterns.
Which brings into question their confidence level in Montana, if they were willing to operate with Price in a restricted playbook vs. Montana in the whole playbook.
I'd chalk that up more to KP's confidence
if he can go and the doctors clear him, it could be pretty rough on a kid to put the backup in anyway.
sure
But either Sark really did feel like Price couldn’t move around enough after the injury that he wanted to call for pass plays with deeper routes and longer developing routes (meaning he was willing to play with a reduced playbook in order to keep Price in there) or it was an excuse for the OL’s inability to pass block, in which case it didn’t matter so much who was back there.
I’m going with #2 myself – the pass blocking was not very good.
There was a lot of #1 in there, too.
There were a couple of times later in the game that Price tried to move, and you could see that it just wasn’t going to happen. He looked stiff. Maybe he should’ve been pulled, but letting him try to play through it (as long as he isn’t at risk to further hurt himself) has some value.
C+ For Keith Price
Not seeing KP’s game as all that great, yesterday. For one thing – he lost the handle on the ball twice yesterday. Of course he/we recovered these fumbles, so it does not show up as a stat to worry about. Yet what frightened me was the way Price was not hit as he fumbled with the ball, but just lost the handle on in. It was scarey, as it reminded me of Dave Kraig.
Otherwise he did seem to keep his head and lead them team okay. Yet his obvious lack of arm strength (as JB has noticed and mentioned too) realy shuts down a lot of possibilites on offence. Not only can KP not go long, but it just fsr too long for his tossed to get over to the sideline. And as the offense basicaly failed yesterday, I can not give the quarterback better than a C+.
by The Dude 4 Real on Sep 4, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Price can go long
His one downfield attempt was right on the money. Can he hit long out patterns or deep posts? Well, he needs to anticipate and/or have more open receivers than Jake did since his arm isn’t nearly as strong. But he can throw the ball deep.
This is the second season opener under Sark we have come out flat
I don’t know what the deal is but he is not getting the kids to play on saturday the way the play the rest of the week. I’m shocked and disgusted with both our lines. The O-line couldn’t pick up the hard yards when they needed them, and this was against a physically inferior d. Our d failed to get any pressure on Bo Levi all day, I was expecting Big Meda and the rest of his cohorts to use and abuse the EWU line, instead they were stonewalled. We need to get our act together or we are in for a long season.
"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson
by Willie Mays Haze on Sep 3, 2011 9:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Meda
I saw Meda get tossed to the ground on several occasions. The effort on both lines was pathetic at best.
Hence...
…His comparison to a fat tub of goo!
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by John Berkowitz on Sep 3, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
How do you let Keith Price get sacked and beat up far worse than Bo Levi Mitchell? No offense to Eastern but that seems crazy to me.
"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson
by Willie Mays Haze on Sep 4, 2011 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I like to try and grade the game before I read yours, John.
We matched up 100% today. Generally I’m a bit harsher but it’s hard to disagree today. Pathetic effort on the lines. 0 turnovers pleased me but that’s about it. Yuck. This win tastes worse that eating an orange after brushing.
by I'mSureI'veSeenWorse on Sep 3, 2011 9:24 PM PDT reply actions
Preseason Hype
I didn’t want to say anything before the game, I know a few people who will call me negative, but I wasn’t buying the preseason hype. I learned my lesson last season.
Before the kickoff, it was extremely obvious that we had an enormous size advantage over EWU. There players looked like high school players next to us. They were shorter, smaller and their linemen were just plain fat. Yet they played right with us and put up double the yards that we did. Pathetic.
Nick Holt can NOT stop a spread offense, end of story. Constantly running zone ALL night long and getting ripped apart making BLM look like he could win the Heisman. Giving up 500 yards of offense to a FCS team is absolutely pathetic and grounds for termination. Does he know we are allowed to play man coverage? If we can’t play man coverage against these guys, we just flat out suck. If he tries to use this “scheme” again next week, Hawaii is going to break some very big NCAA records. It’s time to catch up to modern day football, the spread offense has his number.
Pathetic performance. I better see drastic improvement next week or it’s going to be a very, very long season.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Being at the game and watching this I felt scammed again
Our D was horribad against this team, what, did we get doubled up on the yardage by Eastern? I knew we would give up some points but that was embarrassing, we aren’t physical enough to press them or get some pressure on the QB? Again, i’m left feeling like the car salesman swindled me into a lemon with all the hype on this D. The offense wasn’t able to do much with all the dropped balls and I gotta say I expected our o-line to do MUCH more, again, swindled by the hype. Who knows maybe this was a wake up call, or maybe we really aren’t that close at all…
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First game blues
I wonder how much of this is just them coming out flat and looking past EWU, which is a huge problem in itself, rather than actually being not very good. Hopefully next week we will see a little fire under the asses of the guys on this team and witness for ourselves what everyone was raving about all preseason. At least that’s my hope, that like many teams (OrSt, UCLA, Oregon) we just did not come out to play the first week of the season.
"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson
by Willie Mays Haze on Sep 3, 2011 9:47 PM PDT reply actions
flat
When I first started going to Husky games with my grandfather starting in the late ’70’s, he’d always take special note of how the players looked coming out of the tunnel. As I got older, I didn’t put a huge amount of stock in that as who can really know what’s going on in the player’s heads based off of your perception from the stands of their enthusiasm entering the stadium.
That said, both times the Huskies came out of the tunnel tonight they didn’t show any energy – they looked like they were jogging out to a practice.
doesn’t explain the coaching or playcalling on D though Kirk
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absolutely
Nick Holt got his ass handed to him tonight by Eastern. I wasn’t thrilled with Sark’s playcalling, but the failures there were more about execution IMO.
Nick Holt seems to have all the young talent in world in these players
but minimizes their effectiveness but calling a very vanilla defense. I saw a lot of lazy zones out there today and very little in the way of blitzing, let alone anything creative
"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson
by Willie Mays Haze on Sep 4, 2011 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
The D was going to be vanilla no matter what.
A bunch of guys were getting their first playing time ever. I think the hope was that vanilla was going to be good enough to dominate, but the game plan was going to be built around keeping things simple for some young guys at key positions.
Vanilla, and rather off-tasting
There were a lot of guys wandering around with no apparent clue as to what they were supposed to be doing, or how they might actually step up make a contribution. Lots of folks ragging on the corners, but at least they were in the vicinity. Where did the safeties disappear to?
I'd say the linebackers might've been the bigger issue.
Those guys didn’t do well in covering the hook zones or redirecting receivers all day. Yeah, safety play was disappointing, too.
let me add that the coaching was flat as well, not just the players
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Sep 3, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
safety blitzes and bell ringers
Anyone remember any that penetrated the Eastern line? Any tackles or hits that would make you go ewww? Shouldn’t Meda be going through blockers and not around them? Its a head scratcher.
JBs grades...
You were a little harsh on the WRs and a little soft on the TEs, but I’m on board. I thought the corners were especially bad tonight.
Still very glad we won. This one will fade from memory soon
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
I would like to fill out a mission persons report: Alameda Ta'amu
He was last seen getting manhandled by offensive linemen much smaller than him. Word on the street is that he might show up in Husky Stadium next week. That is an unconfirmed report.
what about josh shirley
did he play? i missed the beginning of the game and watched through a choppy online feed, but i don’t think i heard his name or saw him out there
He played, never quite got to the QB because they had the ball out so quickly.
Then he got demolished on a kickoff and didn’t really play after that. It was pretty brutal someone stopped him dead in his tracks and put him 3 yards backwards.
I'm watching Hawaii...
And they are in a good battle with Colorado. Their receivers struggle to get open. Moniz is running a lot. They are almost exclusively Pistol formation with four wides.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
we’re doomed
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Sep 3, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I was really impressed with how their d-line kept getting after Hansen...
… Their engine is always revved.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Nick Holt
At what point to you just say Nick Holt is not getting the job done. This defense is only slightly better than when he took over and they were pathetic.
by MatthewTHawkins on Sep 3, 2011 10:07 PM PDT reply actions
well...
…what sucks is that we always seem to start seasons poorly on defense. Last year things got better – latter portion of the season last year, we were actually pretty good.
But yeah, one really has to start wondering if Holt is worth the money.
That's what I kept thinking
Where is the fire and inventiveness that this dawgs d displayed in the Holliday Bowl where they destroyed Nebraska in the trenches? How are they getting manhandled by EWU? I love the Eagles as much as the next graduate but I never dreamed(or hoped) they would be able to push the Huskies around in their own house.
"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson
by Willie Mays Haze on Sep 4, 2011 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions
They didn't really push us around
We never brought extra guys, and often times rushed 3. They still managed to get pressure a few times. The coaches should be ashamed of themselves for letting little Bo Levi put up those big numbers.
way too conservative
You’re right, I’m not sure I saw a blitz of more than one extra guy the whole game. There was one sequence where we showed an overload on the weakside of their line and Mitchell called TO, but that was about it for creative pressure.
I was disgusted that we played so much of the game in a conservative zone. And the insistence on playing most of the game with our standard lineup and no extra DBs when they spent the vast majority of the game with 4+ wideouts reminded me of the latter days under Lambo when he stubbornly refused to substitute and play any nickel or dime packages.
And for all the talk about Shirley as a pass rush terror, he wasn’t all that great from what I saw of him. He could generally get around the OT, but not without being routed well outside of the QB to where he became a non-factor.
I’ll be more worried about the lack of blitzing if we’re having this conversation next week. A lot of guys just got their first significant PT Saturday. There were a complete lack of corners available with Long and Richardson out. The lack of depth makes playing a lot of press very, very difficult.
I’m actually fine with the defensive game plan, for game one against a team that the Dawgs should’ve been able to physically dominate. The execution, however, was terrible.
With all of the young guys that played, we should see a ton of improvement between games one and two.
Lackof blitzing?
Lack of execution while blitzing was the actual problem.
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by John Berkowitz on Sep 5, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
We blitzed some...
but every time we did, Bo did a great job of throwing to the guy in the vacated spot before our guy got to him. Like Sark said in the post game, these young guys didn’t go at the qb with quickness and intensity so they gave him extra milliseconds to throw a good pass.
But more blitzing would have just made more big plays, until our young kids can watch the film and see where they were a step slow and correct it, because they obviously didn’t figure it out during the game.
by Carne Guisada on Sep 4, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Warm day + 3 healthy corners = Tough to play man.
Once Ducre started cramping, there just weren’t enough bodies to line up and chase receivers around all day.
game thoughts... not excited
Price has a slower, lower delivery than Tebow… yikes. He was poised, but seemed to lock on to his first read about 90% of the time and doesn’t have nearly the get away that Jake did from a sack (does anyone not think Jake was incredible now?).
The o-line was heinous… Kohler was atrocious.
Receivers were okay, but the problem I have is that our best receiver is not as good as their best receiver. Worrisome.
Our kicking game on special teams… why can’t we get the ball into the end zone regularly? We give up 10 yards most of the time (they start on their own 30 too often).
Defense was really, really, really, really scary. I think we’re screwed when we play Stanford, Oregon, USC and probably Cal and Utah too. Trufant was clownstomped by #1. if I was coaching EWU I’d have simply thrown every single pass towards Trufant and they would have won the game.
Overall, I think our play selection was decent to warm up Price, but after the first 8 minutes of the first quarter I thought our play calling wasn’t good enough.
Final analysis: We are in for a long year.
Not that I am going to sit here and defend UW at all for their awful performance...
The 2 lines in your response don’t really make sense. Price’s mobility was affected by his banged up knee, so of course he isn’t going to look like Jake Locker on the move, and we shouldn’t even be comparing the two. Also, our best receiver was hardly on the field because of a sprained ankle.
Price on the move
I thought Price completed some real good passes with a lot of zip on them(one even threaded the needle between two eagles for a first down) while on the move today and I felt like in general he did a good job of keeping his eyes down field as he scrambled.
"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson
by Willie Mays Haze on Sep 4, 2011 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Mostly agree, but not on Keith's delivery ....
… He actually has three or four different motions depending on arm angle and if he’s moving. He actually seems to get it out really quick once he decides to throw. Arm strength is an issue. You can really tell when he throws the receiver screens and anything horizontal to a wideout.
We are going to learn a lot about him next week. Hawaii is going to be a litlle stiffer vs the run and we are going to need a little more of a downfield threat to keep space.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
I’m not sure arm strength is that big of an issue as much as we’re all used to Locker who had a canon. Price has average college arm strength which will be good enogh in most cases.
you say that ... as do others ... but I haven't even seen an "average" college arm.
Bo Levi Mitchell has an average college arm. Kellen Moore has an average college arm. Darron Thomas has an average college arm. Bryant Moniz has an average college arm. We haven’t seen any signs from Keith that he can make the throws that they can. I was hoping we’d see a little of that against Eastern. We better see it against Hawaii.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
+1
Could not have made a better reply than Gekko Mojo
by The Dude 4 Real on Sep 4, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
you saw it once ...
… and it was incomplete. Compare and contrast that to about a dozen different Mitchell throws that went more than 10 yds in the air including that last drive that started from the 5.
I’m not ripping the kid – I’m just saying we haven’t seen him throw yet and I’m not sure that he can.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
The incompletion was on Smith, he’s got to catch that. True that there wasn’t a lot of deep throws but the way our OL was blocking KP would have gotten killed. I think it was more a product of the game plan than KP can’t make the throws. If he couldn’t make the throws he wouldn’t be on the roster as a QB for a BCS team.
incompletion on the long pass was all Smith
You can’t throw that pass any better than Price did – that was a catch any FBS WR has to make. He simply flubbed a really good pass, nothing else to say about that one.
Price doesn’t have a gun, that’s absolutely correct. But he’s got enough arm for most throws – we’ve just been spoiled by watching Jake for 4 years.
No we haven't seen it in games.
I’ve seen him in practice, though. His arm strength is probably in the low range of “average.” He can make the throws, but he really needs to set his feet to do it.
The Big Sky is falling.
"Out of bounds you stupid guy!"
by Modrik Zutar on Sep 3, 2011 10:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
All jokes aside
I agree with the general sentiment, which I think is “This game shouldn’t have been even close.” Certainly some things will need to be addressed quickly if we want to beat Hawaii next week, and I think they will be. I don’t believe this was the finished product.
Could have been worse…. should have been worse, but we escaped. On to the next one.
"Out of bounds you stupid guy!"
One of the worrisome things was
That it seemed like Sark had little confidence in having Keith send the ball down field, except for that one route to Kevin Smith which he should have caught for a TD. The rest of the intermediate passes were all dropped by our supposed deep receiving unit. I hope he takes the training wheels off next week and makes ASJ and Hartvigson a little more involved. If anything, he should be passing to them as a safety blanket.
lack of confidence in Price?
Or maybe a lack of confidence in the pass being caught because of a lack of confidence in his receivers?
by sdhuskyfan on Sep 4, 2011 7:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Some of that is scoreboard related
We spent a lot of this game sitting on a ten point lead. When you have a ten point lead, you want a 17-point lead, yes. But you’re not going to throw the ball all over the yard to get it. Not when you have any sort of running game, a rookie QB, and your opponent is throwing the hell out of it. You want to play ball possession, and starve the beast.
This is pretty obvious to everybody, including the opposing defense. I think (or at least, hope) there were plays to be had deep. The seam throw to Smith was certainly wide open, and beautifully thrown.
I also wish they would have tried a few more deep routes, just to keep the D honest.
But I can see why they didn’t…
A few things
FCS teams can often either beat or give a good game to more than a few FBS teams every year. Remember V. Tech last year? It happens, and we were facing the very best that the FCS has to offer. The fact that it was a game was not all that shocking.
Does it absolve them of their poor performance? No. But neither is this a signal that this team is doomed. We have seen this sort of stuff before. Worse FCS teams win games against better modern teams, and superior FCS teams such as eastern would do competently well in the lower rungs of the FBS.
Grade for the game? F. But I’m not going to overreact and suddenly declare the season olver and this a team destined to not go to a bowl and to eat the feces of other teams all year long.
by Fanfman on Sep 4, 2011 12:43 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I don't recall anyone declaring the season over...
…but I do see a lot of frustration based on expectations vs performance
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Three win
O-Line grading mentions worry about three wins. Of course, they won’t play that way every week and we know it, so it wasn’t a full-on panic session. It was late for me.XD
I’m just saying that while the performance wasn’t great, it isn’t like I(and a few others) were caught royally off guard. EWU could solidly beat a lot of lower rung FBS schools. In this game, a good team played poorly and a ‘lesser’ team played well. Washington was always a solid 7-win team fthis year in my book, maybe an 8, and this game didn’t do much to dampen that for me..
How do we know they won't suddenly play like it is the Holiday Bowl every Saturday?
We don’t. But the fact is we have seen this from the team before so it shouldn’t come as a shock. They don’t start well. I expect them to play much, much better next week because dodging a bullet is, well, one of the better wake-up calls. I don’t think what we saw in the Holiday Bowl- domination against a foe who was superior on paper- or here- poor play against an inferior foe- is indicative of the team.
It would be convenient if it were true ...
EWU could solidly beat a lot of lower rung FBS schools.
…but it is most assuredly not.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Actually it's fairly accurate.
Their QB came from an FBS school and they have Demetrius Bronson at RB (I’m sure we all remember him). They pick up a lot of D-1 talent that falls by the wayside due to grades, etc. and their winning the FCS Championship was no fluke. Should we have played better? Definitely. But if you were to rank them among all the FBS teams out there they’d fit solidly into the 70-90 range. The quick passing system that they run neutralized our defensive line. We still demolished them in the running game so they threw 5-10 yard passes the entire game.
Sagarin rates all teams this way...
EWU finished last season as the 58th best team in college football, and was ranked 92nd coming into the season.
Washington finished last season ranked 28th, and was rated 52nd entering this season.
Very nice stats and discussion
Some people just assume that any and all FCS schools are patently inferior to every FBS school without exception. That is silly.
Sagarin ratings aside ...
… FCS schools lose to FBS schools 81% of the time throughout history. That is pretty damn dominant.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Yeah, but look at how many of those games...
…involve top-tier SEC or Big 10 teams. Of course the FCS teams are going to lose to Ohio State, Auburn, Florida, Alabama, etc.
Except it is
how much better than OSU are we? How much better is EWU than Sac State? Off the top of my head, Vandy, WSU, L’Ville, Kansas and Iowa State are teams that EWU could likely beat 4 times or more, out of 10 games.
EWU
Is much, much better than Sac. State. There are plenty of WAC teams that EWU could probably beat as well.
I know, it was rhetorical
EWU could walk out on the field and beat the bottom feeders from each BCS conference at least 50% of the time. It just so happens that we may be closer to being a bottom feeder than everyone wants to believe. The talent gap still exists, but styles make games, and there style is our kryptonite.
I would like to introduce a new rule, no more meltdowns until we actually lose a game. Since when did we earn the right to be pissed about wins? It took a 4 game winning streak to finally get to a winning season, then we lost our best guy on both sides. Perspective people, perspective.
paper or plastic
Comparing experienced teams starting Jrs and Srs to a rebuilding UW team of freshmen and sophmores doesn’t make sense.
They have no upside with the Huskies the sky is the limit.
Still two years away from a contender. We will have a better feel after they have six games under their belt.
GO DAWGS!!!
Support our student athletes, have faith in the coaches! "...it's how you play the game!"
Stupid question but I was not able to watch most of the game (stupid feeds cutting out...)
Maybe that is a good thing but if I were to try to find footage of the game what is the best spot to find it?
It was pretty bad. Really stomach churning to watch from the stands.
But I think you’re giving a bit too little credit to EWU. Their quarterback was very good at exploiting a bad secondary, minus a few obvious miscues with his receivers. He got rid of the ball quick when he had to, and when pressure did develop he’d pitch it out of bounds. Price could take a lesson from that, as basically all his sacks were of the “held too long” variety.
Scheme wise, they had Ta’amu doubled just about every down, which is something Holt was not adjusting for and should have been. TE in on basically every down, double on the nose, someone should be getting free on the edge and they were not. I can’t imagine film study is going to be much fun tomorrow. In defense of Everette Thompson he had 2 tipped passes and was the only guy I actually did notice getting any pressure, although mostly too late.
The receivers… got in to Kearse’s private Crisco stash before the game. Jesus that guy loves his bacon and butter sandwiches.
Bo Levi
I think he is a damn good quarterback, and I had a feeling he might be able to do ok against us but I never imagined 400+ yards passing, just turrible. That said I can definitely see why he is considered to be a quasi-mid round pick, he showed a lot of poise and control of that offense and had a real good feeling of when to get rid of the ball.
Having watched their spread a couple times last year (the semi-final game in Cheney and the Nat’l Championship game on tv) and seeing buzzsaw us today I can say, EWU really runs it near perfection. They have big sure handed possession receivers that manage to achieve solid separation with diligent route running and quality body control, and Bo Levi gets it to them on time and always locates it so they can easily make a move or run after the catch.
Much credit to EW, their coaching staff and their team, they came across the state and bullied the big dawgs on the block at Husky Stadium, good on them, but I am still upset that they pushed around to the extent they did and mostly that we pushed back so little. If it somehow turned into a shootout and they racked up all those yards against our d, I would be fine with that but this doubling us up in yardage and an inability to consistently move the ball just doesn’t sit well. That said, we won and onto showing up next Saturday and beating Hawaii
"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson
by Willie Mays Haze on Sep 4, 2011 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions
We played the role of the lucky bitches...
…winning a game we should have lost and that just posses me off
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Kicking
Our kicking game on special teams… why can’t we get the ball into the end zone regularly? We give up 10 yards most of the time (they start on their own 30 too often).
I recall a couple kickoffs well into the end zone, and considering we only kick off after a score, I think that is pretty good of Folk since he scored 3 times on a school record 53 yarder, then a 47 yarder, then a 40 yarder! You kick a 53 yard field goal then 30 seconds later have to kick off, I’d say he did just fine.
Rasp also did great, 5 punts (too many) for a 47 yard average with a long of 55.
Only One Kick Off....
….. made to the end zone, and that was when he wind was blowing strongly from our backs.
by The Dude 4 Real on Sep 4, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I heard that too....
…. but that is about all that ET did, all game long yesterday. Jamora finaly made a few nice plays in the second half, Cort held things together for us, and Trufant managed to save a liitle face on the last defensive play of the game. Other than these, too-few good plays, it was a most hideous day on defense.
by The Dude 4 Real on Sep 4, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
if there's something positive to take out of today
its that the pac 12 overall looked fairly weak. oregon lost yet another marquee non conference game, usc squeaked by minnesota at home, ucla lost at houston, colorado wasn’t really competitive against hawaii, wsu lost tuel for the year, and oregon state embarrassed themselves against an fcs opponent. the only team that really beat expectations was cal soundly beating fresno state, but cal typically starts strong and fresno hasn’t been quite as good the past few seasons. a lot of other fans around the conference are feeling the same way as us
For selfish reasons I want this to catch on.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
Mr. Jeff Tuel Jr. is actually only going to be out 4-6 weeks.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
by kelly20210 on Sep 4, 2011 4:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know you guys think that,
But that is a timeline that is CougCenter driven. Maybe 4 weeks, but maybe 10 weeks. It depends not just how big the fracture is but where it is (can they stabilize it with a plate? How much movement will it be exposed to?). The thing is, they can’t protect that injury from contact (like you could a broken rib or a broken hand), so you pretty much need it to fully heal before you come back. Saying 4-6 weeks is a best case scenario, I would think. If I’m the Cougs, I’m starting to think about whether or not I redshirt him if he’s out 8 weeks
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
You're right that I don't know the exact timeline, but I'm going with best case for now
because worst case is depressing.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
4-6 is from Wulff his self.
Plus Tuel threw a pass after he broke the bone. He fell out of bounds after a 0 yd gain, on a scramble, on 2nd and 10. He thank threw a pass to Ricky Galvin that went for four yards.
He got to the side line and something felt “funny”, the training staff took his pads off and discovered a bump on his left (non-throwing) shoulder.
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Sep 4, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure he threw a pass ...
… and I’m sure he could tolerate the pain enough to play tomorrow if he wanted. The thing is that you can’t protect that injury from a hit. It has to heal fully before he can play again otherwise it can easily become a much more serious situation.
My question, though, is how many weeks does he have to miss before you cash in on his redshirt year?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
wulff is coaching for his job
the smart thing is probably to redshirt, as wsu probably can’t reach bowl eligibility if tuel misses a few games. but if wulff is really feeling the heat, he may bring tuel back to try to eek out a win or two and save his job
if he does that...
… that would be two times he unnecessarily burned a redshirt on the same guy
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Sad
I want the Cougars to lose to the Huskies, but I liked Tuel. He seemed solid as a player and a person. I hope he is healthy for the Apple Cup.
I will say this, for whatever its worth...
I do think we match up against Nebraska better than EWU or Hawaii. Watching the highlights from their win last night, they obviously like to run the ball with Martinez and I do believe that a solid run defense is going to be one of our lone strengths. Please, lets just get past Hawaii first with a W but I am optimistic about that match up.
(God this post may come back to haunt me…….)
I hope you’re right, and, while it concerns me about Hawaii, my delusional fantasy is that we overlooked Eastern because we have our eyes and minds and hearts on those fecal-gobbling rubes fom the plains so that we might better mount their empty pointy heads on posts when we go to visit that pathetic excuse for a city.
Not that I hate Nebraska or anthing . . . .
Clock struck 12 hours past end of game.
I’m over it now. Looking forward to next week. I think our boys will have caught up to the speed of the fame by then.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Sep 4, 2011 7:46 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Husky offense: Polk and Folk
I am really hoping all the vanilla schemes on offense and defense were an attempt to avoid letting future opponents prepare for us. But I have to laugh at that even as I type it. Maybe it was arrogance or maybe it was overconfidence, but this was hard to watch.
"You can sum up this sport in two words: ‘You never know.’" -Lou Duva
by wishfulthinking on Sep 4, 2011 8:31 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Eastern Eliminated our pass rush
You cannot get off a pass rush when the ball is gone in less then 3 seconds. Eastern’s game plan was to eliminate our pass rush. Secondly Eastern had really no intention of throwing deep. 90% of their passing game was within 10 yards of the L.O.S. That plan left our safeties looking more like spectators and kept our cornerbacks in man coverage up near the L.O.S. I give a lot of credit to Eastern’s performace on their game planning. Hell guys they threw the ball 68 freakin’ times. Our defense is designed to shut down the running game and get pressure ont the QB. Eastern made our strengths a washout all day. Not everybody is going to pass 68 times and hardly ever go deep in the process. A win is a win and I’m just excited with got the W and Whoregon got the L.
All I saw was purple
by crazidawg on Sep 4, 2011 9:08 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Do you realize what you are saying?
I give a lot of credit to Eastern’s performace on their game planning. Hell guys they threw the ball 68 freakin’ times. Our defense is designed to shut down the running game and get pressure ont the QB. Eastern made our strengths a washout all day. Not everybody is going to pass 68 times and hardly ever go deep in the process.
Let me translate that for you: Holt got horribly schooled, and out coached, by FCS coaches making 1/10th of his salary. Sound about right?
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
by Lear Pilot on Sep 4, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Best Case – Worst Case Explanations
Well that wasn’t much fun to watch, was it? I usually scare my family out of the room during most UW football broadcasts, but this was brutal. In a rip-off of the Ted Miller and ESPN approach to each team’s season prospects, I’ll offer up two possible, brief, and general explanations of what happened at Husky Stadium against the Eagles.
Best Case: Eastern is a really good and experienced team. 2010 FCS National Champions, and ranked #1 coming in to this year, they played with confidence, and played inspired football. Their skill players are in fact quite good, and the team overall played above their heads. During the course of the rest of this year, we will see them continue to win, and dominate Division 1-AA opponents. They would have beat Oregon at Autzen yesterday.
UW, on the other hand, did not get up for this game, and came out over-confident, with little emotion. Believing in a relatively easy victory, and wanting to give the team this opportunity to develop chemistry, the coaches kept the game plan simple on both sides of the ball, with conservative play calling and defensive schemes. By the time players and coaches realized they were in a real game, it was too late, and neither was able to rally their bodies and minds to overcome the Eagle’s confidence and skill. The much-improved play of the special teams, and turnovers at key points in the game helped the Dawgs pull this one out.
Worst Case: Despite the stated strategy to return to a power running game, and tough defense, Sark keeps returning to slinging the ball around and relying on the passing game. He is unable to conceive and implement a coherent offensive strategy based on the opponent. This last point goes double for Holt – except he doesn’t have the excuse of being distracted by head-coaching duties. He is overrated as a DC, having succeeded at USC only because of NFL-level talent, and Pete Carroll’s behind-the-scenes control of the defensive strategy. Holt’s fiery persona and intensity are nothing more than a mask for his incompetence. Both Sark and Holt cannot make adjustments on the fly, and continually react to game situations instead of developing and adjusting game plans in any innovative way. They couldn’t out-maneuver my son’s Middle School team.
As for the players, the OL and DL are over-sold. With few exceptions, they’re just not that big, strong, and fast. Polk is our only skill player we can rely on, with Price playing adequately for his experience level. The receiving corps are just OK – nothing special. On defense, with the exception of Dennison, our LB’s are inexperienced, with little speed, and consistently out of position. The defensive backfield continues to be over-matched, unable to play strong, physical man coverage.
Special teams, even in the worst case, showed good development, and helped save this game through Folk’s accuracy, punt coverage turnovers, and decent return yardage.
So which is it? As is often the case, I think it’s a mix of both. As much as my heart wants to believe more in the best-case scenario, my head tells me what happened yesterday is closer to the worst case. I give Eastern credit – I think they’re a good team, and will likely be a contender again for the FCS National Championship. I also think UW has the talent level, properly employed, to compete at the National level with most FBS teams. I fear our OL is not as strong as I hoped, and I’ll leave the jury out on the DL. In my opinion, the success or failure of those two groups will drive the performance of the team this year, subject to strategy. Our RB’s are solid, Price looked fine, and I think the pass-catching will get there. As for the LB’s and DB’s, I believe and hope it’s the coaching, and not the talent that had them appear over-matched against Eastern. Lastly, I like what I saw on special teams yesterday – definitely improved play across the board.
I lay most of the blame on the coaches. On offense, I was looking for a pounding running game, with a few screens, throws to the tight-end, and an occasional shot down field. Isn’t that consistent with the strategy we’ve been hearing all off-season? We should have been able to wear down Eastern’s front line, and control the tempo and clock. There was too much passing yesterday, when a run was the right call. I still believe in Sark as the HC, but he absolutely must give up the OC duty.
On Defense, I just can’t believe what I saw yesterday. Eastern’s spread offense is more of a run-and-shoot strategy, based mostly on timing. We never made an effective effort to disrupt the timing, either through well-conceived blitz packages, or jamming the receivers at the line of scrimmage. Our corners gave far too much cushion to their WR’s. Watching the TV at the start of each play coming down the stretch, my head was about to explode seeing us line up 10+ yard off the wide-outs. The same goes for a 3-man rush on 3rd and 26. Disrupt the timing – adjust the strategy! Take a chance with the talent you have.
I’ve always been suspect of Holt’s ability. Most people who carry themselves like he does are compensating for a lack of knowledge and skill. Over the last two years, his defensive schemes and rationalizations supported my suspicion. I wanted to believe I was wrong after the Holiday Bowl last year. I think he’s clearly over-paid, and has to go. Unfortunately, he’s going to be here at least through the remainder of this season. Are there any 2012 HC openings in Idaho for a raging, bald defensive tough guy?
At the end of last season...
We couldn’t praise our coaches enough. We have one ugly football game to start this season and all hell breaks lose. Eastern is a champion. Maybe not at this level, but a champion is still a champion. They had everything to gain and we had everything to lose. They game planned this game like it was a national championship. We game planned it as a tune up.
I would suspect that we went vanilla in game planning for Eastern so that we could escape with a victory and not have any major injuries. We did just enough to win the game. It wasn’t pretty on our end. But I’ll take that over throwing everything at em’ accept the kitchen sink, only to lose a key player or two mildly interesting Eastern Washington. At the end of the season when we’ve accumulated 8+ wins, the only thing anybody will remember is we won the game.
All I saw was purple
Don't you see the trend?
We SUCK the first few games and it’s not until we get desperate that the coaching staff finally gets these guys playing well. I seem to remember looking HORRIBLE against BYU last year and getting whipped by Nebraska. It’s time we stop making opposing QB’s look like Heisman candidates.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
You guys are over anylizing this game
We are on a 5 game winning streak. Sure it was ugly, but hell I’m just glad we got the win and we didn’t come away with a major injury. Eastern is a champion, maybe not at this level, but a champion is still a champion. And I’d argue that Eastern has a splash of div.1 players on it’s roster that was overlooked during the recruiting process. Eastern kept it close because they game planned this game to WIN. Our game plan was to keep it vanilla. Afterall why show all our cards for Eastern Washington? Just be glad we won and no one got seriously injured.
All I saw was purple
Huskies
Defense: Major Blame is on Nick Holt for being be under prepared. I swear it was dejuva on UW’s pass defense of TW years. 3 Man lines no pressure, 4 man lines no pressure, Corners failing to see opponents running by them and or running straight to the sidelines and waiting for a pass. Traditional Defenses don’t work against spread offense’s. Auburn and LSU know how to do it. I saw alot of Bear D and 46 D used by those teams.
Special Teams were absolutely awesome:
Offense Line and Receivers gave me a headache.
The Tunnel is Hallowed and Sacred Ground
Before I Move On
- Nick Holt should be fined $100,000 every time a team can pass for over 400 yards against us.
- The EWU Eagles have a solid program, and a very good team. They came to play, and they played very well.
- We did not lose. This is the best that I can say about the dissaster I watched yesterday. And now, it is time to move on…….
Polk A+- Player of the game.
Field goals of 53, 47, and 40 yards. That’s the way to start a season off hot.
You were right the first time.
Polk is why we won this game. Folk did his job, well. But Polk set him up.
It could be worse!
Oregon State lost to Sacramento State, who are in the same Big Sky as Eastern. You guys are acting as if we lost this game. We are starting a new QB, it’s the very first game of the season and things are going be as crisp as we hope. Eastern had a game plan to win a championship with. Our game plan was to play vanilla and to minimize injuries. Put that altogether and the score is a reflection of that. For the last time, I am glad we got the win and nobody was seriously injured.
All I saw was purple
I expected this game to be close
In the First Half. We should have been able make adjustments and overpower them in the second half. We didnt. Your right it could be worse, and we are very lucky we didnt lose. I hope they look different next week and use this game for motivation. Otherwise we will be 1-1.
As long as we held the lead, I didn’t think we needed to make adjustments. When you make adjustments, you provide a better game plan for future opponents. We held the lead, keeping it vanilla was enough to get it done. Believe me, I was very apprehensive on Eastern’s last drive and the game was very ugly for my liking. But at the end of the day, we won the game, we didn’t lose a single player to injury, and our future opponents are still scratching their heads because we were able to keep it vanilla. I’ll take it with the win!
Our offense isn’t crisp and sure we dropped a few balls and sure our O line was very inconsistent. These things happen all to often during the first game of the season. Price hit every receiver except for the waterboy in this game, but no one really got comfortible in the passing game, the ball went to every receiver on the roster. This could be good. Getting a ball thrown to you early in the season get’s the nerves out faster, rather then later. We have a lot of receivers and I liked the fact that Price sprayed the ball to every receiver, rather then just one guy getting all the action. Next week our receivers should settle down more and we should see more catches then drops due to everybody getting a ball thrown their way.
All I saw was purple
We gave up 473 yards passing . . .
and you don’t think we should have made some adjustments???
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Hell no!
We won the game. Do any of you know anything about game planning? This was an inferior team. Yes it was an ugly performance on our part. But usually an ugly performace is the result of playing vanilla. We won the game and we didn’t expose any of our adjustment packages (schemes). We have Nebraska in a few weeks and it’s wise not to offer them something to prepare for.
All I saw was purple
Glad to see you've returned to your old self.
Do you realize how close we were to losing that game? One yard, that’s it!!!!! If Trufant hesitates, stumbles, or trips, we lose. If Trufant is just one yard out of position, WE LOSE THE GAME. That’s an extremely piss poor game plan.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Correct
And like I said I was biting my nails as much as the next fan. But I would like to believe that our coaches did a great job in two key areas:
1) we got the win
2) we were able to win with a vanilla defense and future opponenets as of now, still don’t know what to expect from our adjustment schemes. All they got is one defensive look and it was so bland that it would taste even blander then vanilla :)
Hey Lear, counting the last four games of 2010, we are 5-0 buddy. If we take care of Hawaii next weekend we’ll be 6-0 going into Nebraska. Try to find the positives and quit worrying about the negatives. We played ugly, but won!
All I saw was purple
Thanks for bringing some sanity back into this blog crazidawg!
Lear, step away from the ledge…save it for a loss.
by Carne Guisada on Sep 4, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
we won a game that we had no business winning...
… it took the longest FG in Husky history and four turnovers for us to hold on to a slim margin of victory. We didn’t “pull it out”. We got it handed to us. The coaching staff did not put in a winning gameplan and that is the bottom line. Everything else you say here is just noise.
We have to be better than we were. Period.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
We got it handed to us ???
How does Eastern expect to win, when you have terrible Special Team play. You throw two (2) interceptions and have two (2) fumbles. Your defense can’t force any fumbles and poor playing calling by the Head Coach. In my books, it doesn’t matter if you lose by 1 or 40. A loss is loss. WIn is Win no matter how spin it. It’s been long time since we were 1 – 0 and I’ll take it.
The Tunnel is Hallowed and Sacred Ground
by bigdawgdaddy999 on Sep 4, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
The Sky is Falling
LMAO
The Tunnel is Hallowed and Sacred Ground
by bigdawgdaddy999 on Sep 5, 2011 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
why in the hell would we dial up a vanilla defense in a game like this??? you make no sense – we are what we are…. again. Hawaii is a passing team that now scares me to death. Nebraska has a running QB and that scares me to death. Cal has a running QB and that scares me to death. I’m really scared about our D now.
Because we're playing a D2 team that we can beat on talent
It makes sense to me to hide some of the blitz packages and defensive stuff for Hawaii, who runs a similar offense with much more talent.
even when they are knocking on the door of beating us?
I can get the concept of playing vanilla (at least to a certain extent), but the following two issues stand out:
- Even if the coaches wanted to play vanilla and not reveal too much to the following teams on our schedule, why stick with vanilla when the opposing team has a chance to win the game? Did anyone watching that game have much confidence that we could keep them from driving down the field and at least tying the game, if not outright winning it?
- Wouldn’t it make more sense, with Hawaii coming to town next week, to actually play the defense you think you’ll need to play in order to slow them down? You know, actually practice in a real game against a team that runs a similar scheme?
I’m not sure I’m buying the “vanilla” argument so much as this is what this coaching staff feels this group can handle right now.
And if Kevin Smith hangs on to a ball
we still win even in Tru trips and falls. It’s easy to play this game.
oh boy.
here we go.
Do any of you know anything about game planning?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Results based analysis.
This should be looked at as a loss, no matter the score. Overall, the team played horribly. At the risk of angering the mods, any positive spin on this feels uncomfortably familliar to the hope being perpetually sold during the Willingham years. What happened to the high standards of Husky Football?
that's a touch harsh
Yes, it felt like a very empty win because the way we played gives us no confidence we can beat Hawaii, let alone Nebraska.
But it’s still 1-0 in the record books.
And besides, what about this post by John looks positive? He absolutely skewered both lines, the secondary and called out Holt and requested Sark give up play-calling. How is that “positive”?
Strong opinions
taking some of this a little personal.
Learn JiuJitsu.
"These are great days we're livin' bros. We are jolly green giants walking the earth, with guns."
by RolloTomasi on Sep 4, 2011 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Game plan for Eastern in a nutshell:
Sark is going to run the football this season, their’s no denying that. Why didn’ we see that vs. Eastern?
Well we already know our running game is pretty good, so why risk injury? How about we use the Eastern game in order to give Keith Price more game reps as a passer? Sounds like a good time to give him reps as a passer rather then waiting for someone say like Nebraska. We know the running game will be there by the time we face the Huskers. But if we don’t get Price prepared as a passer before the Husker game then we as coaches are essentially crippling our offense for a big game.
Defensively, some have questioned our corners giving too big a cushion on the Eastern receivers. The idea coming in was to not serve up the homerun ball. Playing more of a vanilla defense vs. an inferior program (on paper) will ensure us that we won’t get beaten deep over the top. Secondly the cushion keeps all the action in front of our defensve backs, where our youngsters can see the developement of the play, and kill it quickly and safely. In essence we played a vanilla pass coverage simply to minimize injuries. Did we know they were going to throw the ball 69 times in the contest? Answer: No. But were we going to change up our coverage? As long as we held the lead, I didnt’ think their was any reason to change up the coverage. In the end we won the game, our secondary along with the rest of the team escaped all injuries, and Keith Price got in some quality game reps as a passer. Last but not least, future opponents saw a lot of vanilla and we provided them with more or less a clean slate. Everybody and their mother thinks they have to stop Chris Polk and Nebraska is already penciling in to stack the box with eight defenders when we meet up with them. Knowing that, is it not in our best interest to get Price ready as a passer in these more or less tune up games? Our coaches aren’t stupid, they see the big picture. To Eastern this game meant everythign to them and played to win. Our coaches looked at this game as a tune up to prepare for bigger things to come. It was closer then expected, but a win is a win. Moving on …
All I saw was purple
Those were my thoughts as the game was going on
It looked like giving Price a lot of easy completions was more of a priority than moving the ball down the field at times. We also gave Callier a ton of carries that in a more important game probably would have gone to Polk.
We ran the ball
38 times compared to 25 pass attempts! Why do people keep saying we didn’t run the ball? Polk said himself after the game he was 70-80% and only knew he’d play about 3 hours before kick off. He was never going to run it 35 times this game!
First game blues
I was pumped up during the preseason. Then the early games really got me jacked up. U$C ( or is it USB) limped past MN at home. ND looked like Irish Mickey was playing, Michagan not much better. UCLA had a pulse in the second half, but no defense. These teams weren’t ready…..UW would look great.
Then EW kicked off and we soon learned that the teams ready to play were EW, LSU, and Boise State. Hopefully we suffered from playing a veteran team with a bunch of extra playoff games the prior year. We need to sharpen up and remove the vanilla plays this week. We didn’t see the smash mouth yesterday, I hope we see it next week
The vanilla seemed like BYU all over again
Last season we played vanilla to open the seaosn vs. BYU. We lost. This season we started the season vanilla vs. Eastern and won. Ugly as it was, we still won. Do you expect a football team to be playing championship level football in week 1? Nobody is really playing championshiip football in week 1 other then Boise State. Why Boise State? Because those guys have to spend all summmer making sure they get their offense all in before week 1. To them it’s a one game season. They will break the rules during the summer to make sure the offense is a finished product prior to the season kicking off. Other then Boise State, nobody has their entire offense established and typically 1 games are full of mistakes. I think if anything we should feel priveledged to even have won the game. We played vanilla, but our offense will expand from week 1 to week 2 and so forth. Many of you guys are pushing the panic button way too early. What does it say about blowing out Eastern? Honestly? Nothing. Just get the win anyway you can w/out injury and move on to next week. Hawaii just kicked Colorado to the curb, so we had better be more consistent on offense and our defensive coaches are going to have to install their A game game plans.
All I saw was purple
eastern washington game
years ago I sat in Husky stadium and watched Arizons State pass the ball for about about 500 yards against UW. It could have been more had they wanted to run up the score. The following week Don James and Jim Limbright created the “attack defense”and a new era was born. They made a decision to rush the quarterback and play the wide recievers one on one. They decided that their defense was not going to sit back, play soft and let some guy throw the ball all over the field on them. They decided that the quarterback was going to pay a price for his completions, and they did. Just ask Sark about that. It appears that UW has gone back to the pass defense they used againt ASU years ago. A big mistake in my opinion. Perhaps Nick Holt should call Jim Lambright.
Amen.
Dear God,
Please let the Dawgs out.
Signed,
Your Minions
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
This is a young team.
We all hate to use this excuse, year after year, but it’s still true. And young teams generally have ragged starts.
It’s almost impossible (or at least highly imprudent) to try to duplicate game intensity and exhaustion levels in a practice environment. Coaches can yell and scream and throw things around all they want, but there’s still no substitute for actual game film as a teaching tool. And this EWU film should be worth its weight in solid gold.
Once you’re been in a game, and seen yourself wandering around aimlessly on the film, giving up plays and hurting your team, you come out the other side as a different, and presumably far more coachable player. Nothing focuses the mind nearly so well as the fear of failure.
this is criticism...
…negativity is a different beast. Without criticism, we are just Oregon fans trying to brush things under the rug.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
WTF Secondary?
the secondary kept leaving assignments and chasing after the QB after he got out of the pocket leaving receivers wide open. i wouldnt be as hard on the D line, Mitchell got rid of the ball incredibly fast leaving the pass rush useless. what im really liking this season is how many receivers will be involved each game. i think 10 different players had receptions yesterday as opposed to pretty much just Kearse and a couple others last season.
on the D-line
Yes, Mitchell was using short drops and throwing quickly most of the time. That said, how often did you see a guy on our defense totally beat his man and come virtually unblocked? Pretty much never. Against an FCS O-line, and our D-line was supposed to potentially be a strength, and yet none of our guys could get there in time to disrupt his timing?
And that right there is my biggest concern, with what we have at the D-line we couldn’t manage much pressure or a sack. At this point i’m concerned about how the coaches are going to improve the play up front, if we can’t get pressure on Eastern what’s it going to look like against Nebraska and the PAC-12. If we go with the theory that Holt went Vanilla for future games and we almost lost, is this guy really willing to take a loss before changing the game plan? I’m worn out with watching the defense look like a mediocre highschool defense.
Last PAC-10 Rose Bowl winner not named USC....Washington
This was a rare but real coaching issue
The office never stretched the field side to side to help the supposed new tight end position, no screens to low there rush. The defense never stop trying to get to a qb that was throwing the ball on 3 step drops, Pete carroll approach would have been the best answer dropping to 2 d line men and adding speed to get in the passing lanes provoking them to run. That was reactive coaching not a normal sark performance I have to say holt on the other hand is in need of some help getting hit in the mouth and making adjustments that will stop the bleeding in the game not by year end. To find a positive we found a way to win, we have been losing them.
But don't you think that it's worthy to save that for a much more worthy opponent?
I think I’d hold onto that scheme. Why waste it on Eastern? We have everything still available for the bigger games to come. We played a vanilla base defense and won. If we showed that scheme vs. Eastern then surely Nebraska would see it and prepare for it. Duh? Someone mentioned that the Eastern game film would be worth it’s weight in gold. Is it? Because the only thing I saw that we gave away is a basic “vanilla” defense. We have more still to unveil. I think we unveil another wrinkle new weekend vs. Hawaii. Even still Nebraska won’t have the entire package to prepare for. Everything is still under wraps for the bigger games- is it me that only sees the beauty of playing vanilla vs. an inferior opponent?
All I saw was purple
A more dynamic scheme doesnt fix everything.
Even if we chose to stay in zone all day long, the opposing QB shouldn’t throw for 500 yards. They obviously weren’t playing it very well. And this is just one example. When does the discussion start about how Sarks teams start slow, and Holt should be replaced?
yep
Really poor execution of our zones. I’m also puzzled as to why Holt insisted on playing most of the game in our standard lineup rather than playing nickel or dime packages.
Holt’s slow starts with our defense are aggravating, and criticism of him is warranted. At what point do we stop using the youth excuse and actually start expecting our players to execute? Especially against an FCS team.
After 1 game at UW Dawg Pound apparently
When does the discussion start about how Sarks teams start slow, and Holt should be replaced?
and why not?
We damn near lost a game in which we were 18 point favorites against a team that has 22 fewer scholarship players than us, most of which never got an offer from an FBS program. And we were doubled up in yardage and looked helpless to stop their passing game.
At what point do we start demanding better from our highly paid defensive coordinator? At what point do we start having high expectations for our program again?
let me get this straight...
…our coaches were playing vanilla schemes and stuck with those even though it became clear we weren’t able to stop their passing attack? They were willing to gamble the game away just to keep from showing more complex schemes? Because it required an interception on that last drive to preserve the win – anything less and they at least tie it with a field goal (and would you have liked our chances in OT? Not me…) and at worst beat us with a TD.
And you mean to tell me that with a wide open spread offense that’s even better than Eastern coming to town next week, it was better to play vanilla schemes than to actually, you know, get some game experience using more complex defensive schemes?
breaking news
Crazi is sanest person commenting on this blog.
Sure we were all over blown and delusional but
this is a very young team.
I said weeks ago it would take at least six weeks to come together and grow into themselves. We have freshmen, sophmores playing 23 year old seniors.
EWU’s best receiver was over looked as he missed his whole senior year in HS.
Support our student athletes, have faith in the coaches! "...it's how you play the game!"
This is sarcasm, right?
Beyond the comment about Crazi, 6 games to come together? You have got to be kidding. This fanbase is like a abused girl that when she finally meets someone halfway decent they’re loathe to criticize because, hey, atleast he’s not punching me in the mouth!
the youth argument
…please. Sure we are young – but we are not that young. The unit we are collectively the most surprised by, the D-Line is really not that young at all.
I find your assessment that we are “freaking out” untrue. Leveling criticism and stating the obvious about how we definitively got outplayed by a FCS team is hardly freaking it out.
Freaking out is calling out that the season is over. Freaking out is returning your season tickets. Freaking out is saying WSU is better than us. The only people who have done that are over at ATQ. That hasn’t happened here.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
We know if the sky was falling theres a large portion of the fanbase...
…that just keeps smiling and says everything is fine. Lowered expectations are just insidious. At the very least doesn’t Sark and especially Holts salaries compared to their peers make you wonder WTF going on?
The game is over and Hawaii is next.
Dawgs are 3 point favorites. I “EXPECT TO WIN”
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by bigdawgdaddy999 on Sep 4, 2011 10:00 PM PDT reply actions
A solid, mostly mistake free game from the offense
and a defense that, when pressuring, made the other QB look pretty bad. It’s not like Bo Levi had a good game, he just racked up a ton of yards because he threw almost 70 times. What makes you think that we can’t beat them next week? If you’re going to have a mental breakdown, at least say something useful.
Its not a mental breakdown to have high expectations.
Actually my expectations in regard to Holt and the defense aren’t even high considering his salary. The Oline is part of the offense last I checked, what about its play did you think was solid? Also, if we get as much pressure against Moniz, I doubt our offense will be able to keep up with the number of points they score.
No, but it's highly illogical to try and establish a trend based on a single data point.
Get over the lack of style points. The Dawgs played like crap, but they’re still 1-0.
Man, you would’ve hated the 1984 team.
Exactly
I thought it was also well known that passing teams give UW fits. Bend but don’t break is a legitimate strategy when it comes to teams that throw 70 times a game. If you force them underneath and come up with big plays, I don’t personally care if we allow 1000 yards of offense…in a victory.
I think all of you who are upset are the same guys who’ve lost all hope over the Seahawk’s preseason.
I lost hope in the Seahawks . . . .
long before the preseason started. Signing T-Jak instead of Hasselbeck didn’t help either.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Biggest factor will be the focus...
… I know that this is overused hyperbole. However, focus, in my mind, is the discipline to apply your attention and effort to both preparation (and, now, we have some game tape of our selves) and execution (playing assignments, playing fast) without allowing yourselves to be distracted. Getting embarrassed at the hands of EWU ought to be a big wake up call and should help to deliver that kind of focus.
I’m looking for speed, intensity and assignment execution on Sat.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Knowing how much better they can play, because we've seen it.
A healthier Polk. Richardson returning. Price healthier. A bunch of young guys just got their first game out of the way, and the result was a win.
But most of all, what happened last Saturday is completely irrelevant to what happens next Saturday.
1-0. Win next week, and the Dawgs are 2-0.
If your reply is about “expectations,” save the keystrokes. It just doesn’t apply.
Oh, as an added thought,
you should look at the first two games of the 1990 season. A 20-17 “trouncing” of San Jose State, and a 20-14 “drubbing” of a Purdue team that ended up 2-9.
Fans were absolutely ready to hit the panic button then, too. The situations aren’t that dissimilar.
Ewu played like it was madden. 69! passes. 4 4th down attempts.
They were going for broke. All out, and it almost paid off for them. Beau Baldwin is a good coach. Still i feel good about the huskies. i think we’ll see some more variety and the depth will start to shine.
6 4th down attempts
They completed 4 of them
I wish we would have played better
I hope we look better in the future. If we play like that against other teams the rest of the season it is gonna be ugly.
I think we can all agree on that.
Look at the box score
and it is clear, Eastern owned UW. Over twice as much total offense and a -4 turnover margin means it is a miracle that UW “won” this game. I hear a lot of “well, we won”, but you can’t honestly tell me that feels like a win. EWU spotted UW 14 points in Husky Stadium and still almost won.
UW didn’t play bad, they played very well. They just played a better team who had never played in front of 60,000 people before. UW won based on that and a few missed pass interference calls on UW’s corners. Polk’s longest run was sprung by a hold as well…
I was at this game, and I must say that most UW fans were very courteous before (and especially after the game) which made it a great experience.
However, to everyone that said EWU is Division 2, look ’em up. They are the best college football team in Washington right now.
And John, where did you get those numbers? Poik had 125 yards according to every write up I’ve seen, but you have him with 147.
Welcome to the Sound Pound...
Please.
Setting: Husky Stadium, Sept. 5, 2009:
LSU fan base goes into full panic mode after barely beating an 0-12 Washington team in the season opener, giving up 478 yards and 23 points.
After that, the sky fell and LSU wallowed through a miserable 9-3 regular season and a #17 ranking from a matador defense that gave up a shellacking of 15 points per game!
The better team wins, by definition. Now run away, little troll.
You know what?
I’m not thrilled either.
But we’re 1-0.
This means absolutely nothing, of course, but Ted Miller reminded me this morning that the 2000 Oregon State team almost lost their opener to Eastern Washington (who was not, then, the defending FCS champ), and they went on to go 11-1.
The point has been made that Willingham’s abuse has left us willing to swallow anything that’s not crap, and that could be. But we might be so used to that crap that we have forgotten that one off game does not necessarily a season make.
We won an ugly game. Criticism is fine. Worry is fine. But we won. We’re 1-0, Dawgs. That’s something.
by Bugs Dodger on Sep 5, 2011 7:34 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
absolutely
I think what concerns me is we know this team should be able to play better. They should have won that game comfortably. That they didn’t – that Eastern passed for nearly 500 yards against us – leads one to wonder what will happen next week against Hawaii.
Now, as has been pointed out, things can change dramatically from week to week. I remember well the start of the 1990 season and the lackluster wins to start the season before things really came together against Marinovich and USC when all he saw was purple.
We have to hope that this game was a case of some young players getting their first action and thinking too much, of a team that collectively took this game for granted, and of key players playing hurt or not playing at all due to injury.
I think we all know this – we’ll need to play a LOT better next week against Hawaii to win.
Once again, I couldn't agree more.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
I don't even know how I did!
Work has been kicking my butt. Multiple nights in a row of flying all night long, my body clock couldn’t be more screwed up. I’m really hoping to total them up tomorrow.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
I think what concerns me is we know this team should be able to play better.
I can understand the concern. Virtually nobody played as well as they can and should.
But moving forward, last Saturday is meaningless. It’s just not relevant anymore. That we know how much better everyone can play is a positive, not a reason to be concerned. In my mind, anyway.
A lot of young guys on defense learned some tough lessons about playing against a credible quick passing attack, and other than fan angst, it didn’t cost anything.
Hhmm . . . .
But moving forward, last Saturday is meaningless
I disagree. You also said:
No, but it’s highly illogical to try and establish a trend based on a single data point.
Last year we sucked against BYU, this year we sucked against EWU. Last year we got off to a 3-6 start, this year ??? Last year we continually got schooled by any offense that used a spread offense. Sorry to be negative nelly, but I see a definite trend of slow start and piss poor defense against spread offenses. This concerns me.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Speaking of trends
Last year, we were trending to an 0-12 year, this year we’re trending to a 12-0 season. Since everything is exactly the same, we should end up at 6-6 again and lose our bowl game right? The bottom line is a 1 in the W column. I don’t know when we, as a fanbase, earned back the right to be pissed about victories. Not a sort-of victory, or a moral victory…but a real and tangible victory.
Last year we sucked against BYU, this year we sucked against EWU. Last year we got off to a 3-6 start, this year ???
And the year before that, they played really well against LSU. What’s your point?
Last year they started out 0-1, even though the defense limited BYU to 21 points at home. This year, the entire team played bad and they’re 1-0.
What does last year have to do with this year? Why is last year’s record after 9 games even being brought up in the conversation with this year’s team, that has only played a single game?
Last year we continually got schooled by any offense that used a spread offense.
And many of those (Oregon, Arizona, Nebraska, Stanford) were among the most productive in the entire nation. Nobody stopped them. Does the UW need to do better? Obviously.
There’s no trend yet. There just isn’t.
Got a few of your schools mixed up.
Stanford is not a spread team. WSU, a spread team, moved the ball pretty darn well against us. The trend is easy to see, if you are looking for it, Holt defense isn’t much better than Kent Baer’s.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Baer vs. Holt
Kent Baer’s defenses at the UW – how they ranked in yardage allowed and points allowed:
2005: 94th yardage, 89th points
2006: 95th yardage, 85th points
2007: 103rd yardage, 92nd points
Ed Donatell’s defense at the UW:
2008: 110th yardage, 116th points
Holt’s defenses at the UW:
2009: 79th yardage, 70th points
2010: 70th yardage, 80th points
We’re not where we want to be, but the trend is moderately positive. I expect better this season, and I expect even better in 2012 as the team is nearly all Sark & Holt’s recruits, and the overall experience level of the starters should be higher too.
I wasn't trying to imply all were spread teams.
I should’ve been more clear.
Look at 3rd down conversion against, red zone scoring against, and takeaways. Oh, and wins. Holt’s defenses far exceed Baer’s. It’s not close.
The upper class talent is few and far between. There’s a class that’s mostly gone (2008) and a small transition class that was thrown together at the 11th hour.
The young guys are more athletic, probably more talented, but inexperienced and not strong enoug yet. That’s just the way it goes when you have a true freshman and true sophomore starting at linebacker. Those guys are both good athletes, and look like they’re going to be good football players down the road, but they’re going to have ups and downs.
All of the people that call for more aggressive coverage (press, man, etc.) fail to address the lack of bodies and talent at corner. Losing Long really hurt for this year. Missing out on some recruits the last couple of years really hurts. By the end of the game on Saturday, the Dawgs were playing the only two corners they had. And one of those has had next to no playing time even though the position is so thin.

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