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Grading the Game - California

SEATTLE, WA - SEPTEMBER 24:  Chris Polk #1 of the Washington Huskies celebrates his touchdown for a 7-7 score against the California Golden Bears during the first quarter at Husky Stadium on September 24, 2011 in Seattle, Washington.  (Photo by Harry How/Getty Images)

Quarterback - Keith Price made a couple of costly mistakes but those type of things are going to happen now and then. That being said I think he is going to be one of the best quarterbacks in Washington history. All this kid does is lead and make plays. He is really fun to watch and he willed his team to victory today. Who leads the country in TD passes? I guess that would be Keith Price. Grade - A Minus

Running Backs - Chris Polk failed to go over the century mark in rushing but his 70 yard TD reception won the game for the Dawgs. Cal's defensive front is one of the best we will see this season. I loved the way Bishop Sankey looked when Sark featured him for a series. Sankey is going to be real good! Callier as usual was solid in every role that was given to him. Amosa made some great blocks. Grade - B

Wide Receivers - Chris Polk was actually the leading receiver for UW with four catches. ASJ had a great game with two TD grabs but had a costly fumble which nearly cost UW the game in the fourth quarter. Jermaine Kearse was knocked out of a game for the second time this season. I only saw one obvious drop so it was a pretty solid performance. Grade - A Minus

Offensive Line - Chris Polk only gained 60 yards on twenty carries so these guys had a tough time with the Cal defensive front. Kohler was exposed at times but he seems to have a knack for learning from the experience and getting better. I guess you can say that about the entire unit. Grade - B Minus

Defensive Line - These guys aren't getting enough pressure on the quarterback and a lot of it has to do with how conservative Holt is calling the game. I'm not sure if Holt has the confidence to go for the QB early. Holt should call Jim Lambright up on the phone and ask if he can borrow some hair. Ta'amu still isn't playing at all conference level. He only had one assist to his credit which is ridiculous. I did think that Everrette Thompson had his best game of the season. The ends seemed more active and we definitely had a Josh Shirley sighting. Josh picked up his first sack as a Husky. Grade - B Minus

Linebacker - Cort Dennison was the defensive player of the game. He was everywhere and made some incredible plays. I just love this guy and he knocked the snot out of people at times. Jamaal Kearse gets mention because he knocked the snot out of people on special teams and did a great of subbing for Timu. He definitely opened some eyes. Grade - B Plus

Secondary - Hard to imagine that Quinton Richardson could be worse than he was last week but he was. Sometimes you scratch your head with "Q" and wonder what he is thinking or not thinking. His mental lapses are worth 7-14 points per game for the opposition. Trufant can be shut down at times but he was clearly challenged by the bigger Cal receivers. Have to say that Cal has an excellent group of receivers and at least three of those kids will play on Sunday. Gobern came in and gave us some good reps. Grade - C Plus

Special Teams - The punting and kicking was fine as usual. We had some nice returns and the coverage was pretty decent. Smith and Callier are developing into serious return threats. Kasen Williams seems to be more comfortable each week returning punts. Grade - A

Coaching - I thought Sark called one of his better games. Some of his calls really brought a smile to my face because they were absolutely brilliant. Polks TD reception was one of those moments. That was just a brilliant play call. The ground game wasn't working but Sark played it well and kept his team from becoming one dimensional. Holt's defense gave up 457 yards which just isn't acceptable, but how many of those yards are directly attributable to Quinton Richardson? Gee I don't know...150 or more? You can't argue with the outcome which was a 31-23 win but the defense is holding back the rest of the team...and a lot of it is on him based on the way he calls the game. He need to get the pressure on the opposing QB earlier in the game. All that being said a goal line stand did win today's game and they get plus points for that. The UW defense held Cal to only 3 points in the second half. Grade - B Plus

Offensive Player of the Week - QB Keith Price - He was 19-25 for 292 yards and three touchdowns. He has 14 TD's in four games to lead the country.

Defensive Player of the Week - MLB Cort Dennison - He led the team with 11 tackles and had a number of key stops which rallied the team to victory.

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It's the offset lower half.

If it were lined up it’d probably be fine.

by huskies2010 on Sep 24, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow, it looks much worse on a different computer

funny, on my home computer the lower half aligns near perfectly

by Will Kier on Sep 24, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe It Is Appropriate?

The pic is off a little bit, and so is defense. Perhaps when Ta’amu looks like more than a sumo wrestler out there, and Fellner gets back, then both the D and Caoch Sark’s picture will be lined up right.

by The Dude 4 Real on Sep 25, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

this quote about Keith Price
That being said I think he is going to be one of the best quarterbacks in Washington history. All this kid does is lead and make plays. He is really fun to watch and he willed his team to victory today. Who leads the country in TD passes? I guess that would be Keith Price.

there’s a surprisingly good chance of that- Keith just looks so comfortable back there.

btw- here’s a link to the ESPN touchdown leaders. Once it updates for today, I’d be surprised if Keith isn’t #1

by Will Kier on Sep 24, 2011 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I can’t wait till his knees are better.

by Bugs Dodger on Sep 24, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

My worry with Keith is, how can he possibly get better?

He’s so polished already, it’s hard to imagine much upside.

by Hawnk on Sep 24, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can always get better at reads and field awareness.

Arguably accuracy too, although there’s some disagreement on that.

Honestly, though, even if Price stays exactly where he is right now I would still consider him one of the three or four best QBs in the conference. Luck’s ahead of him, Barkley and Thomas probably are too, but you could make a strong case for Price as legitimately better than any other QB in the conference, and I’m pretty damn happy with that.

by huskies2010 on Sep 24, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

The way he get's better is:

Opponents will now really start to fear him. Safeties drop deeper. Linebackers worry about crossing routes. The running game suddenly opens up for the one guy everyone already was stoked about before the season even started, Chris Polk. Polk goes for 50 yards in a first quarter against some near-future opponent. They start stacking the box because they have to. Price goes nuts downfield. Sark has the opposition off-balance all afternoon. The O-line looks better because opposing D-lines are constantly guessing.

That’s the stuff top-5 offenses are made of.

by nucleard on Sep 24, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

stop staring down receivers

Price has shown really good accuracy, great poise, scrambling ability while keeping his eyes downfield, really nice touch. But he does have a bad habit of staring down receivers. Hasn’t been a big issue so far, so it’s not a big knock, but he does have room to grow (which should keep Pac-12 defensive coordinators up at night with worry).

by kirkd on Sep 24, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, if you watch his head on replays he locks on to his reciever right at the snap. They went over the one go route he threw to Kearse who was double covered while Aguilar had no one on him. Seems like Price had it in his head that he was going to throw to Kearse no matter what. That was something Jake would do often. Not good.

by Snostrebla on Sep 25, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Quinton needs to watch some film of Quinton.

If sees what everybody else is seeing, he’ll become an entirely different player next week. He keeps turning guys loose for no discernible reason. It’s bizarre.

by Hawnk on Sep 24, 2011 5:18 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think we should bench him

When you come out flat the way he has, you hve to do something about it. I say take his job away from him and make him earn it back.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 24, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That is the huge problem...

…who plays in place of Richardson? Ducre has a concussion and is questionable for next week.

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by John Berkowitz on Sep 24, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

We could really use some solid CB recruits

Beaver, Marsh, Dozier, Adams, Seymour: You guys here me?

Bringing Purple to Pullman

by Harry the Husky on Sep 25, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Beaver is/was

but it was so early, and he’s not said anything since. I’m not holding out any hope.

by B Money on Sep 25, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

he tweeted a picture of himself & Marsh wearing Husky caps a couple days ago

And he’s been tweeting and re-tweeting a lot of Husky-related things. Nothing has changed IMO – for whatever reason he’s being silent about his commitment. Maybe Sark wants to keep it on the down low so he has a better shot at landing Seymour?

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about some more DT's???

I see Shittu and McCarthy, any reason we aren’t offering on more?

Last PAC-10 Rose Bowl winner not named USC....Washington

by DAWGFATHER91 on Sep 25, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not a lot of good ones out there. We’ve offered all the top ones on the west coast and are in most of their top 5 schools.

by Snostrebla on Sep 26, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Q has his issues....

but in my amateur viewing of the game, Parker is a huge problem. Parker is showing Taylor Mays like coverage skills back there. He wants to take everyone’s head off but bites on everything.

by PLU Tim on Sep 25, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Better effort up front

I thought our LBs turned it up a notch and our D line played well in spurts. One thing that caught my eye was the idea of bringing in bigger LBs for our base sets and went with the sleeker LBs in longer situations.

FINALLY! Josh Shirley has arrived. If Ta’amu isn’t celebrating after Shirley’s hit on the QB, Ta’amu woudl’ve gotten that fumble recovery.

Defense played better as I hoped and I think they gained trust in each other. We need to shore up some little things and I think we could be a pretty good defense. Let’s hope.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 24, 2011 6:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Defense played better as I hoped

456 yards of offense by Cal is playing better?

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 24, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

23 points allowed is definitely better

You’re getting a little too caught up in yards allowed. The only thing that matters is points allowed.

This defense still has a long ways to go to be considered “good”, but c’mon – the defense held Cal to 23 points, and just 3 in the 2nd half. If we don’t turn the ball over twice, this game isn’t even close.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

It’s pretty clear that we are challenged in generating a pass rush and we are still sloppy in coverage, but the guys are laying lumber out there and Dennison is playing out of his mind.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Sep 25, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of “Bend but don’t break” D going on. Redzone D was pretty solid yesterday.

by Snostrebla on Sep 25, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

104th in the nation for scoring defense.

Impressive!

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you really think the defense played half way descent?

The second half was an improvement, but we were 3 yards away from giving up 31 points and going into overtime.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

points are the most important stat

Of course I’m not thrilled that we gave up another 457 yards. But give credit where credit is due – they only gave up 23 points. And none after Cal’s first drive of the 2nd half. They got the job done when they had to. And they didn’t give up those 2 yards (it was first and goal on the 2).

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Points are more important, but yards (and yards/play) are more predictive for future success

As an example, Colorado torched my bears for a ton of yards, but because Cal stopped them in the red zone a few times they scored less than they could have and Cal won.

We could have argued that the defensive performance was OK because we stopped them in the red zone. But two weeks later we had a similar defensive performance against Washington but without the red zone stops. And UW deservedly won.

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by norcalnick on Sep 25, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

sure

Both points allowed and yards allowed – by themselves – are rather simplistic measures. You need to drill down if you want a more predictive measure.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lear the defense won the game for us! It was our offense that gave Cal a chance to win [see ASJ’s late fumble]. Statisctically we bent but didn’t break and the defensive gameplan was good enough to get the win. Our defensive effort turned many Cal drives into FGs. And if you discount Richardson’s inability to cover, our defense only gave up one TD on a Cal drive. Yes, without a doubt I think we improved on defense. The only thing that matters is winning the game.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

BS

We won despite our defense. How ‘bout that final drive? Let Cal march down the field, give up first downs on 3 and long, or 4th and 3, and the only reason they didn’t score was due to THEIR QB overthrowing his WR by a country mile.

The defense did play better in the second half, but by no means did they win the game. We are 117th in pass defense, 108th in total defense and 104th in scoring defense. Put that on a resume and see how many jobs you get!

You want the bad news?? The schedule is only going to get harder. It scares me to think what USC, Arizona, Oregon, Utah and WSU’s offenses will probably do to us.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paraylsis by over analysis

You are over analyizing the stats my friend. Eastern was a pass happy offense. Hawaii is a pass happy offense, Nebraska is a Big Red Machine at home, and Cal has arguably the best receiving corps in the country, where they will have at least 3 of the receivers playing on sundays.

Facing that much offensive explosiveness that early on is going to inflate the stat sheet and not in our favor. To be quite honest, I think we are fortunate to come away being 3-1. Almost anybody would have a difficult time covering 3 programs (Eastern, Hawaii, and Cal) with multiple receiver sets and throwing the ball 50+ times an outing. When you face three programs who pass that often, it’s going to wear down your coverage. I thought we handled it decently.

Looking towards the futre we are going to see more run oriented offenses, or mixed blend offenses between run and pass. At this point, our inexperienced secondary has seen just about every formation and route their is to see, where it should pay off down the road. Time to chill a little on Holt and the defense. If it’s a dumpster fire at the end of the season then we all should be questioning coach Holt. But for now we need to support the effort so that our defensive team can focus on what they need to do to get better.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 26, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're full of it . . .

Cal didn’t throw is more of a balanced offense, yet they had 350 yards of passing offense. Your entire first paragraph is one excuse after another. I’m tired of excuses.

Oh, by the way, that great EWU team is 0-4, having now lost to 3 FCS teams and the UW.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did they not show the Pike Place fish-throwers at all?

I think that might’ve been the only sports broadcast of a home game in Seattle that hasn’t done that.

by huskies2010 on Sep 24, 2011 6:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Solid game, UW was definitely the better team today and Price looks pretty damn comfortable at QB

The Duck game in Seattle is definitely going to be interesting. Still think your D is too much of a liability, though your offense can definitely hold its own.

by ppilot on Sep 24, 2011 6:35 PM PDT reply actions  

And Oregon's D is impressing you so far?

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Sep 24, 2011 7:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

You really want to try to outscore them?

When they’ve been beat in the last 3 years, it hasn’t been from the other team outscoring them. Unless your just assuming we can’t slow them down, which I’d understand.

by Steen on Sep 24, 2011 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hang on a second

“When they’ve been beat in the last 3 years, it hasn’t been from the other team outscoring them.”

Something doesn’t sound right about that.

by huskies2010 on Sep 24, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wondered if I'd need to clarify that...oh well.

‘Outscore’ as in beat them 45-41. Did I really need to spell it out?

by Steen on Sep 24, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was refreshing to not get outcoached

I was fully expecting to get outcoached in the Third quarter, and not just Holt but Sark, also. It was good to see neither get outflanked at halftime.

by Steen on Sep 24, 2011 7:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Some takeaways..

Things i liked:

1. How about the special teams on coverage and laying the wood on that Bigelow kidTrufant. Man, they hit him hard.
2. Justin Glenn – Man what a player this guy is turning into. Just all over the ball.
3. Trufant is playing lights out. He has really come on strong.
4. Love Sarks play calling. He always puts the offense in positions to win.
5. ASJ. – nuff said… the fumble, meh, he’ll figure it out

Thing I didn’t

1. Hopefully Ducre comes back soon, because Q is a a space cadet out there…
2. One of these days our D-line will figure it out, but even my wife (a football newb) turned to me and asked why Cal was getting 15 seconds per pass attempt and Keith Price was getting like 3 or so before he had to bail the pocket.

by NewHuskyBeliever on Sep 24, 2011 7:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Keith Price.

Also, Chris Polk. Then, ASJ. Aguilar, Kasen and Johnson showed some, too. Cort Dennison is pretty much our defense at the moment.

"Out of bounds you stupid guy!"

by Modrik Zutar on Sep 24, 2011 7:14 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Dennison is a stud!!!! Dude is a complete warrior!

by Snostrebla on Sep 25, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m left to think Cort might be our best cover guy :)

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

As a Cal fan, I don't think our pass defense ahs gotten that much worse from last year (though I might be deluding myself)

Which leads me to the conclusion that Price is really good. He really stood firm in the pocket and took some hits while still making accurate throws, which I think is really impressive for a player that is (supposedly) hurt. Not thrilling news for me, but he looks like the real deal.

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by norcalnick on Sep 24, 2011 7:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Interesting

Last PAC-10 Rose Bowl winner not named USC....Washington

by DAWGFATHER91 on Sep 24, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

so, eyeballing the schedule after a quarter of the way into the season....

let me take a stab at a premature evaluation of the remaining games:

clearly favored:

Colorado
@ Oregon State

favored:

WSU

toss up/I’m not sure:

@ USC
Arizona
@ Utah

unfavored:

@ Stanford
Oregon

a path to 6 wins looks pretty clear: take Colorado and OSU, and pick one of the six other teams. A lucky bounce/continued defensive improvement and we might be staring at 7 or even 8 wins. The outcome of this Utah game is going to do an awful lot towards clarifying the ceiling of this 2011 Huskies team.

by Will Kier on Sep 24, 2011 11:32 PM PDT reply actions  

"I'm not sure" meant to encompass teams I haven't seen enough from to be sure on

But the Arizona game- Foles vs. Price, that should be pretty interesting

by Will Kier on Sep 25, 2011 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Point Spread

If one considers the Vegas spread, the I think we are favored in the CO, OSU, WSU & AZ games, and not for USC (close), Utah (real close), Stanford & OR.
 
If the D ever shows up as it can and should, and our player remain healthy, I see 5 more wins, at least, as we upset USC and/or Utah. And who knows were this team may go? Beating Stanford or OR is not out of the question.

by The Dude 4 Real on Sep 25, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

My guess

My guess is our D really improves after the bye week. Let some guys that have been dinged up heal – like Ta’amu.

by Snostrebla on Sep 25, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good Win.

Offense – Very Solid Playcalling by Sark, looks like he’s finally settled into a balanced approach while keeping his creativity. Attacking with the TE was perfect and Sefarian-Jenkins looked like Tony Gonzales when he was at Cal and the HB post to Polk was a great call. Our entire receiver corps is Awesome and so is our RB depth.

Defense – Average. Holt finally played some of his young talent. Jaamal Kearse proved we need his athleticism on the field. Shirley should be playing more. Justin Glenn is the permanent free safety so maybe move Fellner to a LB-Rover type position closer to the line. But still a work in progress.

Special Teams- Mahan needs to be the punter. Much more reliable than Rasp.

GO HUSKIES!! IT’S TIME TO BUY A #17 JERSEY!!

by 206 on Sep 24, 2011 11:33 PM PDT reply actions  

on Ta'amu

I’ve been defending him (somewhat) so far this season, pointing out how he’s constantly double-teamed and that he’s doing a good job occupying defenders, and that his injured hand is hampering his ability to disengage from blocks. But he made a bone-headed play today – after he and (I think) Shirley knocked Maynard down, Ta’amu got up and roared towards his own sideline.

Problem was, the play wasn’t over – Maynard had fumbled. Play to the whistle Alameda. The coaches damn-well noticed, as Ta’amu was yanked immediately and didn’t play the rest of that series.

I continue to think that our 3T guys have been huge disappointments. With all the attention Ta’amu gets, the 3T should have every opportunity to beat his man and make a play, but it just isn’t happening. One guy caught my eye though – a couple times they put Danny Shelton in next to Ta’amu, and while Shelton didn’t make any great plays himself, the defense played a lot better when he was out there alongside Alameda. I’d like to see them do that a little more. And I really didn’t get why, on goal line situations, Shelton and Lagafuaina weren’t out there.

by kirkd on Sep 24, 2011 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I fault Ta'amu for a lot of stuff but I can't fault him for thinking that the play was over

It was a sack and it looked like the play was 100% over from his vantage. I do wish he would get more sacks and tackles. That would be great.

by Edgar for Pres on Sep 25, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Was Watching T Closely

Was at the game yesterday and had my binoculars locked in on Ta’aum for a lot of defensive plays. Missed out on the wider action, but I wanted to see what our Big Guy was doing down there in the trenches. And what I came away with, in a short version, is that T is seeming to wrestle sumo style, and just trying to push his man out of the ring. Not only is he not getting off his blocker, moving lateraly and making plays, but he does not even seem to want to.

Seems that someone needs to light a fire under Alemada’s butt. He is a great young man, who loves his freinds and family a lot, and he likes to have his fun. But out there on the field – he needs to get pissed off!!

by The Dude 4 Real on Sep 25, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree....

I spent a lot of time watching him as well. He is outstanding at just bull rushing directly at his guy, which is fine for a specific run-stopping style of play, but he rarely even attempts a lateral move, or any type of arm movement to get around a blocker. He seems content to engage, and stay engaged.

by jacobcda on Sep 25, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grading the Game

Offense = AWESOME!!! Keith Price, ASJ, Polk, Kearse, Johnson, talk about fun! Sark really has the offense rolling!

Defense = 456 yards of offense by Cal, in other words, I told you so. The worst part is that we have a good offense that is moving the ball and isn’t putting the defense right back out on the field. If our defense was as good as our offense, we’d be in the Rose Bowl . . . . .THIS YEAR.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 24, 2011 11:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Touche!

I am very happy with the win, don’t get me wrong.

I was once called super-hyper-competitive, my dislike of our defense is actually driven by my desire to win . . . . all the time! I have this overwhelming desire for the Huskies to win 14 games each year, not just 6 or 7!

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about 0?

Remember that win total prior to Sark and Holt’s arrival? Even in the Don James years we didn’t win as much as you want us to. And the fact that our roster isn’t as loaded as those James rosters is just you being so out of touch with reality. You can’t go from 0-12 to 12-0 without some growing pains and building blocks. Sure the defense allowed some big numbers, but the glaring number starring me right in the face is 23 total points allowed to a Cal team that could be one of the more dangerous teams in the Pac 12 North Division.

Story Problem: It took us a 8 years and 3 head coaches to go from 8 and 9 wins to 0 wins. So if it takes 8 years do that that, how many years do you suppose it will require to flip it back up to 10 to 12 wins?

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Youre wrong if you think it takes a better part of a decade to fix things.

I don’t know what to say to apologist thiningk like this, but just because we took X years to murder the program does not mean it takes an equal amount of time to fix it.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better part of a decade?

Sarkisian has only been here a little more than two seasons, and has only had two full recruiting classes.

Why the need to project Willingham’s failures on this staff?

by Sundodger on Sep 25, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

rebuilding quality depth takes time

Sark has been playing a lot of true freshmen because there was no quality depth. It’s going to take a while to climb out of that vicious cycle and get back to the days when the majority of the 2-deep is upper class men. This is not to say that the coaching staff is exempt from criticism for the play of the defense, but it is also intellectually dishonest to not acknowledge the roster situation this staff inherited and what that meant moving forward.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be happy if we just saw some improvement on defense.

I see the offense is getting better every year, can we honestly say that about the defense?

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

there's a lot of things I'm unappy with about the defense

I think our zone coverage has been awful. I think our pass rush has been awful. But I do actually see improvement happening over the course of this season – that was a better effort yesterday than the previous 3 weeks.

And most importantly, this team is 3-1.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

On paper it should take a lot more time then Sark mentioned

When Stoops won, when Carrol won, and when Saben won, those programs before those coach arrived never hit rock bottom. They had some difficult seasons prior to the coaches arrival, but the programs stayed in the national spotlight. After almost a decade of losing, a program as rich at Washington fell out of the national spotlight and in some situations still is.

An entire generation of kids have grown up since Washinton was dominant. I’m sure most kids we recruited and are recruiting today can’t remember when Washington was once the most feared football program on the West Coast. You are kidding yourself if you thougth we had some quality players on our roster before Sark arrived. Not one all-conference player on the roster including Locker. I say the 5 wins in Sark’s first year was a phenonal effort and I’d also suggest those 5 victories were all due to Sark and the staff. Ty wasn’t winning anymore game are you kidding? Many of the kids Ty recruited have left the program because this staff knew those kids were either not good enough at this level or they were uncoachable. Example: Middleton comes to mind. Moving forward we’ve had to play a lot of freshmen. However playing freshmen and sophomores in my opinion is better then playing upper classmen who didn’t know how to win due to playing in a losing culture or didn’t want to win by working their ass off during the offseason, preparing both mentally and physically. I think Sark, Holt, and the rest of the staff deserves tons of credit for getting this program 7 quality wins last season, which included a Holiday Bowl victory. We got off to a slow start this season. Let’s always remember, it’s not how you start but how you finish. If our defense finishes the season as a dumpster fire then we should consider calling out coach Holt. Judge him after the body of work. then end.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why don't you go look up what Tedford did his first season at Cal?

Your premise is false, it just isn’t that hard or unlikely as you assume it to be. Raise your standards, stop settling.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have very high standards

Cal had some quality talent prior to Tedford taking over. That was one of the reasons the job was looked attractive. Surely the stadium and the foundation of the program wasn’ great, but he had players who had talent. All he had to do was find a QB. He found one in the juco ranks named Aaron Rodgers. And it helped Tedford tremendously that the California pipeline Washington had was destroyed by some very bad head coaches (Rick, Gilby, and Ty). Those players who were coming up to Washington had to play somewhere. We were losing California kids to Cal, Oregon, and Oregon State. Don’t kids yourself, Tedford had some good talent on the roster and he needed a QB to bring out all that talent. I’d wager that when Sark arrived, that if our players were on a differnt roster in the Pac 10, not one would be a starter at his position. My god, USC was recruiting Locker as a safety. I doubt he would’ve taken Mark Sanchez’s job and I’m confident that he wouldn’t have unseated any of their safeties.

But the future is right around the corner. We are rebuilding a network for California kids and we are keeping kids home. Player development is on the rise. The offense is becoming a juggernaut. The special teams are playing a full speed. The only thing not a finished product the way I see it, is getting the defensive kids to believe they can be as good as they want to be. I’ve heard reports that our defensive kids aren’t trusting the defensive calls. To me that tells me that they don’t trust each other. Yesterday was a clear cut sign that we are close to believeing in the calls and in our teammates. To me the goal is always Pasadena. Not just getting there, but winning the damn thing. Offensively and on special teams we are there, but unfortunately the defense is not quite there. But I do see a lot of growth going on. In the end Tedford is a poor example because he had really good talent when he arrived.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

They had 1 win the year before Tedford.

And 3 the year before that. Don’t give sone bullshit that Cal had so much more talent on those teams than we did in 2007 and 2008. It rings convenient and hollow.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Take away the broken 90 yard TD pass and ask yourself if you still feel that way

…there are gaps and weaknesses, but yesterday was a huge improvement

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Sep 25, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

You cant take away the 90 yarder!

Along with just being shitty, that type of breakdown has been a hallmark of Holt’s defense since he’s arrived. You can’t pretend it didn’t happen as if it was an isolated outlier.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't?

I find it ironic that you are arguing about Holt’s “hallmarks” and selectively choosing to ignore his defenses at USC and the last four games of last year while calling me out for pulling out the outlier play from yesterday…but, whatever.

My point is that the 75 other plays that Cal ran yesterday resulted in about 370 total yards which is a not horrible 5 yds per play. UW also held Cal to 9 of 21 on third and fourth downs…again, not disastrous. If you add in the extra plays Cal generated based on some questionable sideline plays and two turnovers, it’s hard to say that this level of Defensive effort is not a big step forward from what we’ve seen to date.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Sep 25, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

His defenses at USC couldnt be more irrelevant to this.

How do you parse his contribution to that juggernaut, when you have blue chip guys 3 deep and PC coordinating the defense? Holt might be good,but u can’t isolate that from his SC days.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

That might be true.

But it’s a lot like you saying that Holt sucks because Baer sucked.

by Sundodger on Sep 25, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You link this staff to Willingham and Gilbertson all the time.

Anytime you talk about the defense in terms longer than the last 2+ seasons, you’re doing it.

It’s one of a couple of ongoing themes with you.

by Sundodger on Sep 25, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think youre confused about the point I was making.

My reply to Crazi about the Better part of a decade, was not doing that at all. I think you need to read it again.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I understood your point.

And it wasn’t really related.

But you’ve got a penchant for tying the last 2+ years in with the entirety of the last decade, particularly when someone mentions rebuilding the defensive roster. It sort of fits with your whole “expectations” mantra.

by Sundodger on Sep 25, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, the defense wasn't as ridiculously bad as it had been.

I’d feel a lot better about that hint of competency by Holt if the first 3 games this year weren’t so bad. But they were, so I don’t make as much of it.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's all about improvement

Hey let’s put down the Holt bashing for awhile. We are 3-1 and if you watched the game yesterday, all signs point to our defense getting better. Sure they served up some chunks of yards. Bottom line though is we only allowed 3 points to Cal in the 2nd half. What does that say about what our coach and defensive players? It tells me that our defensive coordinator can make some very good half time adjustments. Plus it tells me that over time our defense gets better and stingier.

The defense isn’t a finished product right now. For all those in favor say I [imagine the collective I’s from fans at Husky Stadium]. I said it before and I have to rehash it “it’s not how you start … but how you finish that counts”. We started slow, but the defense looks to be improving. Actually I didn’t think our defense looked all that bad at Nebraska. We lost our heads in the 3rd quarter, but we did some good things to build on.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, if we show the same improvement

on the defensive side of the ball this year as we did over the course of last year, and the offense stays as productive as it has been… we should be a very strong team come November.

by SeaHuskies on Sep 26, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Relevant

But look at the context of the wins, those were the weakest teams we played all year (with the exception of Nebraksa).

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we were lucky and I think we were at home

This wasn’t close to being a complete or satisfactory performance even though it was a win.

We play this way next week at Utah and we lose to a team that isn’t as good as Cal.

UW Dawg Pound - SBN Seattle

by John Berkowitz on Sep 25, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The team needs to put this game to rest and gear up for a huge challenge on the road. You can bet it’s going to be loud at Utah and the Utes are going to be fired up for this one- their Pac 12 home opener.

Defenisvely I think we turned a few pages and I think the kids got a sense of how they can be successful. Moreover I think the kids responded better to the defensive calls and began to trust one another, which is what coach Holt had been saying for awhile. I think the Utah game is winnable, but we need to build on the success we had last week.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

you could also say Cal was lucky

Three fumbles by Cal, all recovered by them. Two fumbles by the Huskies, both recovered by Cal.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cal was lucky . . .

lucky that Holt called a Cover 2 Zone on 3rd and 17, WR breaks for the middle of the field and 90 yards later we are down 0-7.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

that wasn't scheme

That was simply a coverage breakdown and a poor job by Trufant in trying to make a tackle on the play.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you watch the replay of that play,

the problem wasn’t Richardson at all. They were in a 3-deep, and Richardson had the shallow portion on that side of the field. He passed the receiver off, expecting their to be middle help.

The biggest issue was that the linebackers didn’t drop deep enough to take away the crossing pattern, and had no idea where the receiver was.

by Sundodger on Sep 26, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

23 points allowed. Only 3 in the second half.

Cal’s last four possessions resulted in turning it over on downs twice, and two punts.

Cal had the ball in the redzone 5 times, and ended up with 1 TD and 3 field goals.

Yards are absolutely meaningless. The defense in the fourth quarter was good enough for this team to, at worst, be considered “average.”

Just as importantly, a few freshmen got some big boy playing time (Hudson, Shelton, Shirley, Kearse) and held their own.

by Sundodger on Sep 25, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still have no faith in them

They allowed Cal to get in the red zone 5 times and only gave up 16 points. That’s not a complete indicator of ability. Sure they did a decent job of preventing touchdowns yesterday but I still don’t think they are good enough to do that routinely. Plus they have not shown any ability to make big plays, shut down an offense or take control of a game. Our defensive strategy relies on hoping the other team messes up. The last play of the game is a good symbol of this. If that throw would have been halfway decent they probably would have gotten a touchdown. It doesn’t mean our defense was good. We didn’t make Cal throw the ball 5 yrs out of the endzone.

by Edgar for Pres on Sep 25, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

They allowed Cal to get in the red zone 5 times and only gave up 16 points. That’s not a complete indicator of ability.

Okay, then what was it?

The last play of the game is a good symbol of this. If that throw would have been halfway decent they probably would have gotten a touchdown. It doesn’t mean our defense was good.

What about the three plays prior to that? Three shots from the two netted zero yards. And it wasn’t like Richardson was out of position on that last play. A more catchable throw also gives him a chance to make a play on the ball. Would he have? Who knows.

by Sundodger on Sep 25, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

let's keep in mind the turnover situation yesterday

The Huskies fumbled twice and lost both of them; Cal fumbled 3 times and recovered all three. Fumbles are usually a toss-up as to which team recovers, and yesterday was one of those days where the ball bounced Cal’s way. Recover one or two of those forced fumbles against Cal and that game wouldn’t have been nearly as close, and our defense would have looked a lot better.

We’re a ways away from where I feel comfortable with them, but I do see some improvement taking place.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Amen Brotha!

Stat nerds only see what they want to see. We gave up only 3 points in the 2nd half of the game. That is phenomenal!

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you sure about that?

The team quit on their coach almost as soon as the season got underway. I’m not sure where you think we were all that good. WSU was suppose to be the worst BCS college football team ever. But even we lost to them.

And the 0-12 thing wasn’t what put us in this position. A lot of lame duck coaches came and went before the 0fer season came. I’m beginning to question how old you are, because honestly your timelines aren’t very accurate.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

It wasn't just 2008.

Willingham and Baer had fielded terrible defenses for close to a decade together.

by Sundodger on Sep 25, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I'm sure about that.

I highly doubt we bottom out the way we did if would’ve acted early, instead of after the fact with Ty. It was obvious to a minority that he was a fraud by year 2, the whispers were there to hear but not enough Tyres wanted to listen. And, don’t equate the damage done by Rick and Gumby to that of Ty. Ty and Turner murdered this program. All this being said, you don’t need 10, or even 5 years to turn a program around. It can and is done much quicker than that.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean like a bowl win and 3rd place in the Pac-10 in two years?

No coach in the country could have turned this program in to a title contender in less than 5 years. The fact that Sark might even approach that is reason enough to applaud him.

We were in the basement, the worst season in Pac-10 history. Don’t even try to tell me that this is a 2-3 year job.

by B Money on Sep 25, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then what is?

23 points allowed in a victory seems like a pretty solid expectation.

by B Money on Sep 25, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

By year 3 I think a conference average defense should be expected.

So far they’ve severely underwhelmed. Utah on the road should be an interesting test for this team, I’d like to see us dominate on both sides of the ball. That would be a sign of a real improvement, it wouldnt have the smell of a back handed compliment like most of things that have pointed to so far as proof of improvement by this defense.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only it was that simple.

I’m tired of this “we only gave up 23 points” argument. If you watched the game you saw our defense give up huge chunks of yards. A better team will score 50+ points on us if we continue to play this way.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

It can...

but it isn’t the norm. I’d say 4 to 5 years is the norm. That being said, it’s really all relative to what the problem is. Not all “down” programs are down for the same reason(s). UW was down for pretty much every reason accross the board – coaching, talent, developement, recruiting….even an NCAA investigation. Considering that, I don’t think there are many, if any, coaches that could do a better job than Sark has done so far.

by Snostrebla on Sep 25, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no complaint with Sark and the offense.

The defense however… It’s year 3, I don’t want to see half measures and sad rationalizations pointed to as improvement.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about wins?

That’s a half-measure that counts more than anything the naysayers can point to. I just don’t get why, in a victory, we as a fan base have turned to nit-picking. We aren’t a super-power anymore, we don’t have the right to expect excellence. Take the victory, move on, and root the next week.

by B Money on Sep 25, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wins don't mean the defense is improving.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

but they mean the team won. Call me crazy, but I like to win.

by B Money on Sep 25, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I like to win too.

Right now we are winning despite our defense.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

A rational person could argue

that we won because of our defense. They did in fact, make the goal line stand in the final moments. Why the hell didn’t the offense score more? In fact, I would argue that the offense should be scoring 40 points a game, and if they don’t, we’re winning despite our offense.

by B Money on Sep 27, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

That rational person

would be totally wrong.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 28, 2011 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's all a matter of perspective Lear

We held Cal below their season average for scoring, and held them below the average scoring for all FBS teams.

by kirkd on Sep 28, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you can be a super power in Boise freaking Idaho...

Not to mention that inbred, meth house, shit hole to the south of us, you can be a super power in Seattle…again. Everyone needs to raise their expectations, and stop letting all the losses this decade change how they view the program.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if Steen understands how difficult it is to recruit for defense

Lock down corners don’t grow on trees and it takes years to cultivate a platform for the highest profile cornerbacks. Good cornerbacks are a premium and they will go where they know they will receive the best coaching. They will go to the school they think will showcase their talents and will go to a program that will get them to the NFL as quick as possible. Under Holt we are on the verge of cultivating that platform. We’ve had high profile corners interested in UDub, but we are still waiting for the first high profile CB commit. Unitl then we have to continue to coach up our kids. I honestly think Trufant is playing out of position. I think he plays more like a safety then a corner, but because he is our best cover guy, we have to play him at corner.

Holt is trying to build up a USC/SEC type defense. That is his style of defense. You have to have big bemouth tackles and ends to be able to run that defense. You also have to have some seriously talented corners. If you’ve noticed we’ve been loading up on defensive linemen and defensive backs through recruiting. He’s not building this defense based on speed alone [see Oklahoma and Oregon defenses]. Holt is attempting to build a defense comparable to USCs under Carroll and some of the bigger SEC defenses. Knowing that, I am willing to offer him tremendous support and I have time to be patient. You don’t build a defense like that coming out of obscurity- it just doesn’t happen. We are use to a Steve Emtman type defense. Holt is use to a Sean Cody type defense. But to get that level of defense means you show these recruits not only what you are doing now, but where the program is heading in the future.

Winning games goes a long way in getting commits from recruits. If it means we have to deploy a bend but don’t break defense to achieve that then I’m all for it. Playing aggressive and getting killed on big plays has resulted in a lot of losses. It’s time to clean that stuff up. It’s time to force the opposition to put together long drives to beat us, rather then beat us easily with the big play. The down side to that is less sexy, but if it leads to a win then I’m on board. Winning gets recruits attention, they want to go to a school where they can play and win.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, it's all so very difficult.

In fact so much so that no one has ever done any better, so where do we get off expecting more?
Save me the apologia, its not appropriate, nor do I think the coaches would appreciate it. Or have any of them thrown the payers under the bus recently?

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, if Holt is actually planning on replicating what he did at SC...

He should be fired now. That’s entirely ridiculous to plan for, we are never getting that athlete. In those numbers here. If his scheme require that s we should fire him right now, and I’m not kidding.
Your novellas are getting less lucid over time tonight, Crazi.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You just made a speech about how we shouldn't lower expecations

and now Holt needs to aim low because he can’t get athletes? I lowered my expectations because this team went 0-12 three years ago and it had to be built from the ground up. The Defense was completely ignored. There are, by my count, 4 players left from the Ty regime who are playing on defense right now. All but Cort were local guys who would have come to UW if I was coaching. So yes, my expectations are not where they were during our last RB run…please forgive me for being realistic.

by B Money on Sep 26, 2011 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

The majority is with you...

That Ty was a bad hire. Furthermore I’m sure the UDub would’ve felt a lot of political pressure had they not given Ty the fourth year. That’s what that was about. Nobody thought Ty Willingham was a world beater or the next Bill Walsh. We knew his offfense was lame, we knew he hired a lousy staff. Under Gilby we went 1-11. That’s not too far off from being 0-12. The California pipleine was destroyed before Ty set foot on Montlake, the in-state kids were already being poached by other programs before Ty set foot on campus. Ty didn’t destroy this program, because it was already destroyed. What Ty did was set the alltime low- going winless and it was a wake up call to everybody that we neeeded to fix this thing and spend a little money to repair the foundational cracks. We went 1-11 under Gilby and 0-12 with Ty. The only thing left from the legendary Don James era was the constant reminder of historic Husky Stadium that was crumbling beneath us. The program was on life support from the end of the Neuheisel era to the Sarkisian era. Note: I am not a Ty apologist. But this program was destroyed well before he arrived.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

The local HS Football coaches might think differently.

The ex-players certainly did. As bad as Gilby was, and he was pretty horrible, we never had the constant negative vibe on all levels around the program. Ty was an ass, on top of being incompetent at his profession.

You’re underestimating the damage he did.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re underestimating the damage he did.

Correct. And every time you rant away on Holt without acknowledging the state of the roster on defense, you’re doing the same thing.

by Sundodger on Sep 26, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

What a derisively ignorant and unnecessary thing to say.

“Stat nerds,” contrary to popular belief, do not all live in their mothers’ basements, nor do they (we) simply warp data to fit their own conclusions, which is ironically what you seem to be doing.

Yards do matter. You can’t score points (outside of a bizarre field position situation and awful special teams play) without accruing yardage. Obviously, points are the more important thing, and I’m just as happy to say that we played “bend-but-don’t-break” defense as you are.

There’s some degree of randomness as to where on the field a team gives up yardage (note: I said “some”); if it’s on the other team’s ten, fine, but if it’s in the red zone, shit gets ugly. It’s a good indicator/predictor of how effective a defense is being/will be which is all any of us “stat nerds” are trying to evaluate. I’ll happily admit, though, that if we keep seeing the stinginess and the ability to coalesce close to our own end zone, we may have a different beast on our hands. Tough to say just yet.

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by THolt on Sep 25, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

best stat of the day

3 points allowed in the 2nd half.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

or 104th in the nation in scoring defense.

We can play this game all day. Open your eyes, the defense isn’t stopping anybody.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

So what are our odds of beating Utah with the defense we’ve been seeing? How about Oregon, Arizona, or Stanford?

I’m sorry that I’m not a fan of our defense, but where is the signs of improvement? This is year 3, and statistically we aren’t getting any better, we are actually regressing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

A good offense destroys that idiocy we have out there on defense.

So the Stanford’s and, Oregon’s of the world will choose their score…just like all the good offenses have in the last decade. I’m so tired of watching this type of football…it’s not Husky football on top of the fact getting run on defense makes me feel like we’re always the other team’s bitch. the lack of improvement in the last 3 year’s doesn’t give me much hope for the future until a change is made.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

did you see the improvement last year coming?

Look, I get being frustrated by how our defense has performed. But that doesn’t mean they won’t get better. Did anyone see the improvement that happened down the stretch last year coming? How can you be certain that won’t be the case again this year?

As much as anyone I want our defense to be a consistent strength again like it was under DJ. We’re a looooong ways from that now. But we’re also in the process of rebuilding this program, and the damage done to it is not something that is easily fixed.

Let’s let the season play out before we fit nooses for Holt’s neck.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Improvement last year

Why didn’t ANY of it continue to this year? Why are we always starting back at step 1? I propose to you that the “improvement” was inflated by inferior opponents and was flushed down the drain when we started from scratch again this year.

All I’m asking for is minor improvements that stick, and continually build on each other. I’m tired of the same excuses and starting each season like it’s the first in this system.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

it was legitimate improvement

The improvement last year was legit. It wasn’t just that we were playing some lousy offenses either – we did better against those lousy offenses than most defenses did (and that includes looking at how UCLA and Cal did exclusively after their original starting QBs went down for the season).

Why did that not carry over this season? Well, a few potential reasons:

Mason Foster graduated
Victor Aiyewa graduated
Nate Williams graduated
Semisi Tokolahi suffered a severe lower leg injury vs. WSU
Alameda Ta’amu broke his hand prior to the season

I’m not happy about the big step back our defense took to start the season. I’m not happy that we have almost no pass rush. I’m not happy that Quinton Richardson has taken a big step backwards.

But that doesn’t mean that we might not see significant improvement over the course of this season. When you consider the youth in the 2-deeps – Jamora, Hudson, Shirley, Timu, Fuimaono, Kearse, Gilliland, Parker, Ducre – significant improvement is entirely possible as those kids get more experience, stop thinking so much out there and start playing.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Couldn't have said it better Kirk

Going into the season I felt the biggest loss from graduation was Foster…not Locker…Foster is tough to replace.

UW Dawg Pound - SBN Seattle

by John Berkowitz on Sep 26, 2011 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Funny thing . . .

last year we had Foster, Aiyewa, Williams and a healthy Tokolahi, yet statistically the defense wasn’t any better than the year before (Holt’s first season). But thank you for acknowledge that the defense is in fact not improving.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

it improved over the course of last year...

…and it could improve over the course of this year.

by kirkd on Sep 26, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

and if we are back at square one next year?

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

that would suck

But let’s get there first, and let’s see what the personnel situation is for next year.

by kirkd on Sep 26, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

When do we start blaming the "personnel situation" on the coaches?

I truly understand that we are still young, but soon it won’t be an excuse, it will be the coaches fault.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

injuries aren't the fault of coaches

And you can’t always blame coaches for off the field stuff either. How much do you blame Sark for Andrew Pulu?

And yes, the youth explanation will be far less valid next year, and far less the year after that. Holt & co. will very likely have few reasonable explanations for poor performance next year. Can we agree on that?

by kirkd on Sep 26, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most definitely!!!

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, to be honest

based on the last decade, that is exactly what Husky football is. This isn’t the early 90’s we don’t have a juggernaut defense. Get used to winning with the offense in the interim.

Here is what I see: An offense that is extremely balanced in both the run and the pass, you can’t easily scheme against it because we have so many ways of hurting you. It is capable of hanging a solid 30 points on anyone we play this year. As a result, our defense can afford to play a bend-but-don’t-break style. Trade our 7’s for their 3’s and we will win a majority of the games. I will be the first to admit that this isn’t the most attractive way to win a game, but it has worked thus far.

by SeaHuskies on Sep 26, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s what college football has become. VERY few great defenses, it’s become more about being able to outscore the other team. That’s why the average score keeps going up year after year. I think Kirk posted a while back that it has gone up about 7 points in the last 10 years.

by Snostrebla on Sep 27, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

you're scared by Utah's offense?

Jordan Wynn is a gamer, but he’s got a pop-gun arm and the Utes’ passing game has been well below-average. Their running game has been pretty good, but if our defense has anything that they might be OK at, it’s stopping a conventional running attack.

Utah only put up 27 on Montana State and14 on USC. Yeah, they scored 54 against BYU, but they also were gifted 6 fumble recoveries.

Utah will be a really interesting test – they don’t have a very good offense, so it’ll be instructive to see if our defense can play well. At the same time, Utah plays really good defense – can our offense continue to be productive?

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Implicit in that statement is that we are better than Montana.

Not saying our defense isn’t better, but that’s where we are, I’m not confident saying we’re better than anyone. This sucks.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've got a deal for you . . .

If Utah puts up 400+ yards or 28+ points, will you then agree with us that our defense isn’t getting it done??

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

context is everything Lear

You can put out numbers like that and call it a litmus test, but what if our offense and/or special teams throw up all over themselves with a ton of turnovers and inability by the offense to sustain any drives?

If Utah gets those numbers, chances are it’s because the defense didn’t play well, but it’s not a certainty.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

what if our offense gives it away 6 times and they score 45 points while only gaining 200 yards? Then you’ll be pissed that they couldn’t stop them in the red zone. If you’re mad that we’re not improving on YPG than that’s fine, but the defense as a whole can show progress while not statistically improving. I’m so tired of people calling for Holt’s head, like he blew the coverage on the Allen TD, or he chose to break off his coverage and try to make a play.

The bottom line is that we’re winning, and it’s not just because of the offense.

by B Money on Sep 26, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

No

not at all. Who made the stop to win the game? It sure as hell wasn’t Keith Price. It’s a goddamned team game. The offense could put up 100 points, and if the defense holds the other guys to 99, that’s a victory. I want to win, style points are for the turds with wings on their unis.

by B Money on Sep 26, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

This program could use some style points.

And I’d trade places with those idiots down south in a new York minute. They decided to really try to win this last decade, and theyve done very very well. There is no shame in that.

by Steen on Sep 26, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Give me a break! Who made the stop?

We won because their QB couldn’t make the throw. You’ll tel me, “but we stopped them twice on the goal line”. I’d then tell you that was only because our defense let them march right down the field to that very goal line.

The facts are simple: three years into Holt’s reign and the defense is not improving. Please tell me I’m wrong and show me proof of how they are improving, because even the stats prove my point.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

no matter how you say it...

…the defense did stop Cal. And they did hold them to just 3 points in the 2nd half, and they did hold them to 23 points total.

Did Maynard over throw Allen on the last play? Yep. How do you know the defense didn’t have anything to do with that over throw? And just to be clear, even on the ‘91 defense there were times the offense made a bad play that didn’t seem on the surface to be directly affected by the actions of the defense. But the Huskies still got the credit.

That was a hell of a goal-line stand, no matter how much you want to minimize it. And the defense did manage to keep Cal from scoring on their last 4 possessions of the game.

Was it ugly that they let Cal march down the field? Yep. But if you want to play the blame game, why not complain about the fact the offense had a chance to put the game away with 6.5 minutes left, but instead went 3 and out?

by kirkd on Sep 26, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Did Maynard over throw Allen on the last play? Yep. How do you know the defense didn’t have anything to do with that over throw?

Just to add to that – Richardson wasn’t out of position on that play. He actually had pretty decent coverage. If Maynard throws a catchable ball, Richardson has a good shot to make a play. It would’ve had to have been a damn fine pass.

Oh, and rec’d.

by Sundodger on Sep 26, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

3 and out

Sark gets too conservative, I’d like to see him be more creative to keep the ball in our hands. I’m willing to forgive mistakes on the offensive side because the offense is showing improvement. Each year under Sark the offense has continually shown improvement, it might not be perfect, but it’s steadily getting better. The opposite is my problem with the defense, it’s the same old crap 3 years later, all I want to see is continual, steady, improvement. I don’t care if it’s slow, just show me we are making progress.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't we go around last year

about how Jake and the offense was regressing. There are some parallels between the offense of last year, and the defense of this year.

  • Old regime guys (Jake and QRich) can’t seem to get out of their own way at times, regardless of what they were coached to do.
  • Both were underwhelming statistically, but made plays to win games when it mattered.

I think people have had it out for Holt from the get-go, and ever since we gave Ty an extra year to nose dive the program, we’re afraid to give the same courtesy to Holt.

by B Money on Sep 27, 2011 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Funny thing

I don’t see the offensive coaches blaming the youth of the players, which by the way, we do have a very young QB and offensive line.

All I’m asking for from the defense is signs of improvement and I haven’t seen it. I did see signs of improvement from the offense last year, we were finally able to run the ball consistently. Jake’s only problem was playing with a broken rib for the majority of the season.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 28, 2011 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t see the offensive coaches blaming the youth of the players

The quality of recruiting on the offensive side of the ball has far outpaced that on the defensive side.

by Sundodger on Sep 28, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyteam with an average offense is going to score on us.

So the Stanford’s and, Oregon’s of the world will choose their score…just like all the good offenses have in the last decade. I’m so tired of watching this type of football…it’s not Husky football on top of the fact getting run on defense makes me feel like we’re always the other team’s bitch. the lack of improvement in the last 3 year’s doesn’t give me much hope for the future until a change is made.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously I agree with you.

I’m tired of all the excuses, tired of reasoning away why we suck. If we are just going to accept an under performing defense and make excuses year after year, we should move to Pullman.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

We're sucked our way to 3-1

with our only loss against a top 10 team. I just don’t understand the panic over this until we actually play Oregon and Stanford. If we get to 5-1 but the next two are nail-biters that the D gives up 30+ points, are you still going to be mad? 5-1 trumps all, and expecting to win dominantly every single game is just not realistic.

by B Money on Sep 26, 2011 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

No

but that’s not a typical FCS team. Those are guys who played with our guys and got overlooked. They could beat close to half of the FBS teams on a normal day and wanted nothing more than to march into HS and show the big boys that they made a mistake. There was a lot of variables going on in that game that helped them out.

That said, we should have beat them by more…but a win is a win is a win.

by B Money on Sep 26, 2011 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Steen

Every week is a new week in college football….why dwell on the past when we are 3-1?

Last time i looked style points didn’t count in the standings.

UW Dawg Pound - SBN Seattle

by John Berkowitz on Sep 26, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because he feels like somebody owes him something.

After all, he’s put up with a bad decade of defense. And he’s got expectations. And he knows a thing or two. Just ask him.

by Sundodger on Sep 26, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you can't see how bad our defense is . . .

then you are blind. Steen has every right to be upset with the lack luster performance of the defense.

My guess is that many of us are so thrilled to be actually winning games that we’ll turn a blind eye to the piss poor defense. Unfortunately, tougher games are ahead and unless the defense improves in a hurry, wins won’t be coming nearly as often. Nick Holt owes Keith Price, if it wants for Keith’s awesome performances, everybody would be upset at our piss poor defense.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You simply don't get it, Lear.

You’re just saying the same thing over and over.

There’s a difference between pissing down your leg about the defense and ranting about Nick Holt while making untennable demands, and being upset about the defense while acknowledging some unpleasant realities, and realizing that the process is far more important than the results right now.

It’s not about yesterday versus last year, or yesterday versus 10 seasons ago. Right now, today, it’s about yesterday versus four games from now. That’s it.

by Sundodger on Sep 26, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I am saying the same thing over and over.

All I want is to see signs of improvement from the defense. I don’t see it. Holt has been here for 3 years and the defense looks the same as the first season he was here.

All I am asking for is improvement. I’m tired of starting every season with a piss poor defense. Holt is getting paid way too much to have an average, at best, defense that isn’t improving.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

what does his salary matter?

If Holt were getting $300K/year, would you be any less upset with the defense? And if the defense was giving up just 300 ypg and 18 ppg, would you care if he was making $1.2M?

by kirkd on Sep 26, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Salary

It tells you what sort of a market we could/should be in for a defensive coordinator. Then you can compare it to other coaches and the caliber of coach we should be getting for that much money.

For instance, if you paid $50,000 for a Ford Pinto, you’d be pissed. But if you got a brand new Lamborghini, you’d be thrilled. Are we getting what we are paying for, or should we be getting more for our money?

P.S. – Yes it is OUR money, especially as ticket prices increase!

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

his salary has nothing to do with ticket prices

Ticket prices are set by the market – we pay as much as the athletic department thinks we’ll pay to bring the right balance of revenue as well as butts in the seats. Holt’s salary has absolutely nothing to do with what we pay, other than how his performance as a coach affects the demand for people to buy tickets. So actually, the better coach he is, the more money there is in the department to pay him.

But like I said earlier, would you be any less upset with the performance of the defense if he were paid $300K? No, you’d still want him replaced. And if he were paid $1.2M (twice as much) but our defense looked like Alabama’s, you wouldn’t care about what we were spending for him.

by kirkd on Sep 26, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

let's talk about the Eastern game

If, after the conclusion of the Eastern game, I had told you that Eastern would start this season 0-4, what would you have expected out of the Huskies? You probably would have said we’d start the season 1-3, right?

Eastern clearly played well above their heads in that game, and the Huskies clearly played way down to Eastern’s level. Just as clearly, Washington has been playing a lot better since then.

Teams don’t stay static during the course of a season. Relative to everyone else, some regress; some stay roughly the same; and some improve. Let’s not assume that our defense is going to suck for the remainder of the season – as we saw last year, that’s not always the case.

by kirkd on Sep 26, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Correct!!! Eastern is not a typical FCS team!

They are 0-4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

so what?

What’s your point? That the UW had a bad game vs. Eastern? Nobody is disputing that.

I’ve got a point for you (and everyone else projecting forward) – if I’d told you immediately after the Eastern game that Eastern would start the season off 0-4, you’d probably think the Huskies would lose their next 3 games, right?

Didn’t happen. The team improved.

And as much as we’re frustrated with the defense currently, that doesn’t mean the defense can’t improve. So how about we see what actually happens over the rest of the season before we freak out about it?

by kirkd on Sep 26, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

So how about we see what actually happens over the rest of the season before we freak out about it?

Exactly.

by Sundodger on Sep 26, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

More fun with numbers, Lear.

14. What’s that, you ask?

The total number of guys on the roster in the three oldest classes (redshirt seniors down through true juniors) that play defense.

14. Total. 2 are still hurt.

14. Not starters, or regular contributors. That’s total.

Explain how coaching overcomes that.

by Sundodger on Sep 26, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

More excuses.

Great argument, let’s bring back Kent Baer! It wasn’t his fault that we were always young and inexperienced.

Would somebody please answer my damn question: When do we stop making excuses for why our defense isn’t getting it done? One more year, two more years? How many years does Holt need before we stop making excuses?

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

look again at the numbers Sundodger posted

Sark & Holt inherited a situation without much in the way of defensive playmakers. And to top it off, they mostly whiffed on their first recruiting class (though it’s somewhat understandable given the state of recruiting for the program when they were hired).

Most of those play-makers they inherited have graduated. So part of the reason the defense seems to keep re-setting each of these three seasons is they keep losing some of the best players on defense with very little quality upper class depth to back them up.

Next year’s defense will tell us a lot about Holt as a coordinator, the defensive staff as coaches and Sark as a recruiter of defensive players, because nearly all of the players on defense will be guys they recruited and have developed, and there shouldn’t be any positions that are extremely green in terms of experience.

by kirkd on Sep 26, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can live with that

but the first time I hear: “the defense is missing some big playmakers, we lost Ta’amu, Dennison and Richardson”, I’m going on a rant worthy of Norm! This is college football, every team loses seniors every year!

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

sure...

…but established programs with good coaches also have experienced depth waiting to be plugged-in behind the play-makers that graduate.

You can certainly be upset with how our players on defense have (or have not) developed, but you can’t deny that there simply isn’t much in the way of experienced numbers that was available on this defense to form quality depth. A significant portion of the depth on this defense is inexperienced first or second year guys.

by kirkd on Sep 26, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

And you can’t even really begin to talk about the staff’s ability to develop players until those guys are on the roster long enough to be developed.

The ratings for this year’s defense are sunk already. It really doesn’t matter what they do the rest of the year. The key is going to be to objectively look at their performance at game 9 versus game 4 and see if the guys that aren’t old enough to have to shave every day are playing better than they are now.

by Sundodger on Sep 27, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I say he gets 4 complete years

Just like we all seemed to be willing to give Sark and our rebuilding offense. At the end of year 4 I will be ready to really take an objective look at what I have seen out of the defense in all phases: recruiting, player development, and play calling. After that, the results will have spoken and if we are still looking as bad as this after 22 more games he deserves the axe. Until then I am willing to hang in there for the sake of continuity.

by SeaHuskies on Sep 26, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just for the record . . .

I have not said that we should fire Holt (at least not yet this year). But I have said that the defense is holding us back, not showing enough improvement, and from what I see Holt is at the heart of the problem.

Just a thought, but I think Holt’s excessively cautious play calling is hurting the psyche of our defensive players. Think about it from a players point of view, Holt has said in the media that he doesn’t have enough “bullets”, he calls a lot of man coverage because we don’t have the talent to play man more often, and he continually calls a bend, don’t break defense. If I am a player, I’ve heard a lot of the players aren’t good enough, the players don’t have the talent, the players are too young, yada yada yada! If the coaches want the players to play faster and trust in the coaches, then start showing some trust in the players! Stop telling them they aren’t good enough!!!

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

edit

he calls a lot of ZONE coverage because . . . .

There’s a reason I fly planes and am not a sports writer!

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 26, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya . . . .

that’s when you end up over flying the airport by 100 miles!!

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 28, 2011 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I was just trying to give a definitive answer to your question:

Would somebody please answer my damn question: When do we stop making excuses for why our defense isn’t getting it done? One more year, two more years? How many years does Holt need before we stop making excuses?
Four years is what I feel is fair. I don’t agree with all of the excuses being thrown around, and I certainly expected more out of the defense than I have seen thus far this year (and Holt may very well the cause). However, the team is winning and Sark has faith in him so I am willing to let the excuses quiet my unrest until the end of next season.

by SeaHuskies on Sep 28, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha thats right

I keep forgetting we are in a conference with a championship game now!

by SeaHuskies on Sep 28, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was your favorite over Polk's catch for 70 yards and a TD?

I loved that play so much; when he made the catch and I saw the 1 on his back my jaw hit the floor.

by Drew_D on Sep 25, 2011 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Both of those plays were brilliant.

And both were critical at the times they happened too. But seeing the mismatch on Polk and exploiting it was genius, both in theory and execution.

by Hopefulmsfan on Sep 25, 2011 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

also...

…the screen play to ASJ was a thing of beauty. Reminded me of that old reverse field screen play to John L. Williams the Seahawks used to great effect in the late ’80’s.

Plays and calls like those are what remind me how much I like Sark as an offensive coach.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

One of his better, if not his best, day calling plays at UW. Still would like to see a bit more play action on first down. That simple dive play right into the strength of Cal’s defense got a bit old.

by Snostrebla on Sep 25, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep

I kept thinking Sark was setting up the Cal defense for play-action with the Polk dive plays. I’m not going to complain too much though – this offense has been clicking for the last 3 games.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

10th in the nation in pass efficiency!!!

Bow Down to Keith Price!!

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

With Kease lined up as the tailback, the defense was probably keying the fullback in that situation. No one accounted for Kearse. It was a beutiful call!

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

my only complaint about the playcalling ...

… was the rather uninspired series Sark called just before we punted it back to Cal setting up their game closing drive

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Sep 25, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lesson that we need to learn. Was it a lousy series of playcalling or did the players not execute on 1st down very well, thus pinning us to throw the ball in an attempt to get the first down so we could run out the clock. We should get better at closing out games in the future. I wasn’t happy with that series either and at this point I’m not sure who to blame.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sark and staff need to sit down and evaluate what our offense is doing on final drives where we need to run the clock. Also if there is some common way the defenses have been playing us. My impression is that Sark goes very conservative on first down and always ends up in 2nd and long. I’d like to see play action to use the defenses aggression against them. Once we’re in field goal position Sark can get as conservative as he wants.

by Snostrebla on Sep 25, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need to be GOOD on 1st down.

I’d like to see our offensive coaching staff design a “kill the clock” series of plays. Draw them up, practice them, and perfect them. Key to killing the clock with the lead is a good push on 1st down. To do that you have to get half the distance and make it 2nd and five. Our chance of killing the clock was almost stopped short on first down because we didn’t gain a single yard on 1st down.

Got to have a kill the clock series. We have to realize as the season progresses that we aren’t going to be the most talented team we face. In the event we have a slight lead with a chance to win, it would be a huge advantage to have this type of series to lean on.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Something I noticed this game.

When Holt did call for a blitz, it seemed like the blitzers just ran right into a blocker and took themselves out of the play. Is that the greatness of the Cal O-Line, bad execution by young players that will get better, bad coaching, or a mix of all three?

by Hopefulmsfan on Sep 25, 2011 3:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Saw That Too.....

….. and I think it was a combination of Cal’s excellent pass protection – primarily, and that blitzing is something we have not been doing. Our blitzers will see the film from this game, and get better.

by The Dude 4 Real on Sep 25, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's execution

Usually when a blitz is called the down D linemen are suppose to knife away from the blitzing gap. Knifing away opens the gap for a bigger hole to blitz thru. We are not getting penetration when blitzing because we aren’t opening that gap wide enough to get thru it cleanly. The blitzing gaps are closed quickly because an opposing O linmen can scrape off and pick them up. But if our D linemen knifes it hard enough and takes his guy with him, the gap is wide enough where they can’t close it fast enough. We have to work on this to be more effective blitzers.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Make No Mistake.....

Cal is a very good team this year. Given the 2 lost fumbles, no turnovers for Cal, and some really questionable ref calls that went against us (with one, obvious make-up call to ciover for one ref’s mistake), winning this game is a Really Big F’ing Deal!

The D was making me nervous for all of first half, and then Cort took over and lead a much better D effort in the second half, and that goal line stand to lock in the win – awesome! Perhaps we will look back at this as the turning point for our D?

by The Dude 4 Real on Sep 25, 2011 8:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Now "THATS" the attitude I'm looking for...

I think you hit it….young guys looking for their identity,young team..looking for their identity.The big moments like that goaline stand? ASJ’s fumble? etc. “IF” they use it properly…..those are massive opportunities to learn from and form a solid fundamental character and identity from…so close to really exploding the opponent! Yes,some real tweaking is needed! (“Q” needs a new set of glasses?) They got a huge stop to seal the win….“defense wins championships”….Im “hoping” this turns out the be THE defining moment for this young teams coming together and finding their defensive identity! Here’s to “HOPE”!

by gliderdawg on Sep 25, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Winning was a big deal but I'm still skeptical that Cal is good

Being in Berkeley, I have watched their other games and they have not been impressive. That said, this was probably one of Cal’s best played games and we won. Most of their earlier games showed a lot of stupid mistakes but they cut down turnovers and boneheaded plays which made it hard for our defense to do much. Somehow our defense bent but didn’t break allowing a ton of yards and field goals but limited the touchdowns. It will be interesting to see how Cal does this year. I’d assume they will finish right behind us in the Pac12 north.

by Edgar for Pres on Sep 25, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cal looked very good on both lines, LB & WR. They looked average at RB, QB & DB. To me their offense looks very limited with just the two WR’s and RB. They really need a quality TE and FB to offer up more of a threat on offense.

by Snostrebla on Sep 25, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shaquille Thompson on official visit for the Cal game

It’s no secret that Cal and Washington are choice no. 1a and 1b for Thompson. Does the UDub win over Cal convince Shaq to come up North? I liked the reception we gave Brandon Bigalow on special teams, who was in Shaq Thompsons’s postion a year ago.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd love to think we get him...

…but I have a hard time imagining he doesn’t pick Cal, his older brother’s old school and the local school for him.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

on Sankey

I’ll echo John’s praise. Bishop only got two carries, but you can see what he brings to the table. That 2nd carry especially – it showed off the burst and speed he has. I love Polk, and Callier provides a useful dimension, but outside of a healthy Deontae Cooper, nobody in that running back rotation has the burst that Sankey does. Give him a crease and he can explode through and into the 2nd level and beyond. I expect to see some big gains from him in the future.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Sankey looked good.

I was glad to see him finally get the ball.

How beautiful was that little toss sweep? USC student body right, student body left, and they did a great job of running it wide and between the tackles. It was good to see some plays with the running backs getting the ball with a head of steam.

by Sundodger on Sep 25, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't see everything you saw

I saw the O line open up the left side of that defense where the average RB could run through for big yards. Nobody is taking away reps from Polk. Mabye we give more reps to Sankey from Callier, or maybe we simply run more. Sankey had a nice run, but that hole was open for him to run through. I want to see him get about 5 carries a game for the rest of the season. Next season the starting job is up for graps if Polk goes pro.

Sankey had a very nice game. He did some productive things and is growing into a very good college football player. He will be a stud player along with Kasen, ASJ, Shirley, and Hudson. His time is coming.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes he got a good hole

My point is that he exploded through that hole faster than any other back on our team can do.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Looked like he’s at full speed by his third step. Good looking RB for sure.

by Snostrebla on Sep 25, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I like our depth at RB and if Cooper comes back fully recovered, we are going to be loaded at that position. I want to bring Sankey into the mix slowly. When he muffed the kickoff at Nebraska you could just sense the kid felt terribly bad. Then when you saw him explode thru that hole yesterday, you could almost see a huge smile on the kid’s face as he looked over at the sidelines with much joy. He’s going to be a good one, but we’ve seen first hand what happens to young RBs who are pushed into action before they are physically able to withstand the constant pounding they receive. By the time this kid’s body is fully matured and with the amount of confidence the coaching staff is going to give him, this kid will probably take off when Polk goes pro. No reason to rush him into a bigger role just yet. I want to see him get 5 carries per game for the rest of the season. Groom him to take over for Polk. Getting him injured this season only sets us back.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seeing Bishop makes me feel good about our RB depth, even with the loss of Cooper for the season.

by ToddWilliams206 on Sep 25, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the exact same thing. WTF? Get that kid in the endzone. He’s worked his tail off and still hasn’t kissed the endzone.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crowd noise?

I was at the game so hard to tell but how loud was it? Seemed at times to be pretty damn loud! Good Win, they continue to find ways to win. Seems a lot like the 2000 rose bowl team to me.

by DAWGFAN87 on Sep 25, 2011 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

seemed decent, but not great

I have high expectations on crowd noise, having gone to games since 1978. Yesterday was decent, but our crowd still has a ways to go. Still too many people arriving late, too many people taking off at halftime and either returning really late or not all, not enough people getting jacked-up when we’re on defense.

It’s going to take a while to rebuild the damage that was done to this fanbase and create a new generation of Dawg Fans that will carry the torch for the next quarter century.

by kirkd on Sep 25, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

1978? man, you are old...

… but I have to be careful here. I don’t want to be called out for ageism. I’ve got too many other flaws to be concerned about.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Sep 25, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like crowd noise really feeds off a defense that is generating huge hits, sacks and tackles for losses.

Its hard to be motivated to yell or get excited when you watch at 8 minute drive where Cal moves methodically down the field.

by Edgar for Pres on Sep 25, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

The crowd and the team feed off each other. Fans get going, players get going. Or the players make big plays/hits and the crowd gets loud. The better they play the louder we are, and vice versa.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"

by Lear Pilot on Sep 25, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Replay?

Will Root be showing a replay at some point?

Bringing Purple to Pullman

by Harry the Husky on Sep 25, 2011 2:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Harry - I've got three letters for you: DVR

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Sep 25, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

And I've got two for you... MD

I’m a nomad this year for medical school and am all over the place for my rotations. Buffalo, WY, Anchorage, AK, Great Falls, MT and recently Sheridan, WY (with some Seattle sprinkled in). I work with what they give me. Just glad that Sheridan has Root.

Bringing Purple to Pullman

by Harry the Husky on Sep 25, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe it is at midnight Sunday night this time.

by ToddWilliams206 on Sep 25, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Price

Price is just fun to watch. Polk has been my favorite Husky for three years, but man watching this kid make plays, and the poise…I think Price is going to take us far before his career at UW is over.

by ToddWilliams206 on Sep 25, 2011 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

He might

I’m still not sold that he’s going to get better. I kept hearing “moxie” being thrown around and I think it’s the best adjective to describe him. He’s got it, and it really covers up what he lacks. Let’s just hope he can hold together.

by B Money on Sep 25, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Presumably he can get better by improving upon the things he lacks?

Keith is by no means “perfect” at this point and can improve on a number of things. Reading coverages and staring down receivers for a start. Overall, he has been miles ahead of where anyone though he would be, especially in the accuracy department.

by kschimke on Sep 25, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure we need him to get that much better do you?

I’ll take this if it’s consistant! Maybe a better grip on the ball when running, other than that, I like what he’s doing.

Last PAC-10 Rose Bowl winner not named USC....Washington

by DAWGFATHER91 on Sep 25, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's true

but he’s getting a lot of help from his skill guys. ASJ, Polk, and Aguilar are all making good plays and getting extra yards. At some point if he doesn’t adjust and get better, the opposing DC’s are going to figure him out.

by B Money on Sep 26, 2011 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

But in the meantime

KP is on fire, and I’m not complaining.

by B Money on Sep 26, 2011 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see a little Brett Farve in him

The guy always has his eyes down field. How he completed some of those rediculous deep balls on the run was rediculously astonsishing. I like the fact that he is scrambling to pass. Jake scrambled to run and most often the results weren’t favorable. And I like how Keith is sliding safe for big chunks of yards rather then taking the punishment. Keith is going to be a great Husky QB and may own all the records if he continues to play as well as he has. WOW!

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, not sure I see Farve.

I don’t think there’s a perfect comparison, but he’s more like a Drew Brees or a Colt McCoy in my opinion.

by Sundodger on Sep 25, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Colt McCoy is a pretty good analogy

Not top tier arm strength but pretty accurate and gets the ball to the receivers when they are open. I’ve been really happy to see him keep notching good games against good defenses.

I really thought he wasn’t going to have the arm strength to get the ball where it needed to go but it seems he has such a good grasp of the offense that he has made up for this. I also thought he was going to run a lot more than he has. Maybe this is because his knee injuries. He has shown a lot of shiftiness in the backfield buying time in the pocket though which is great to see.

by Edgar for Pres on Sep 25, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also like a Warren Moon comparison

No other Husky QB compares well with Moon. Nope not even Stanback. This kid is deadly accurate, throws a tight sprial, and appears he can spray the entire field. I like his vision and I like his savvy on the run.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you know Colt McCoy studied Brett Farve all summer long during the lockout? This wasn’t McCoy looking at Farve film. This was Colt and Brett getting together w/ Farve actively helping McCoy become a better QB.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't that at all...

Unless Keith is secretly addicted to Vicodin, I’ve seen nothing in his play that reminds me of Farve.

by Steen on Sep 25, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Crazi was referencing a gunslinger mentality.

I don’t really see that, either. However, he does show a trait that Farve had: the ability to keep a play alive by slithering out of trouble in the pocket and to keep his eyes downfield. It’s a pretty cool element of his game.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Sep 25, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gunslinger:

Moving outside the pocket, hook step here, jab step there w/ eyes always down field. Oops! On the run, wait I’ll just find the drag route reciever and dump it off to him.

Fans butcher the definition of “gunslinger” all the time. They see the word and apply it to a QB who isn’t shy of throwing into tight coverage, which more often the not leads to an INT. That’s not the definition of “Gunslinger”. Gunslingler refers to a quck release trigger man, who might have to throw an improvised on the run ball at times to keep the offense moving the chains. That’s what I see in Keith when he gets outside the pocket. He looks as if he’s going to go all Locker on us then rears back and dumps one off as if he knew his receiver was going to be there, but was so cat quick it seemed to us onlookers that it was an improvised and reactionary decision.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Sep 25, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

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