The Monday Morning Wash
by John Berkowitz on Aug 15, 2011 6:54 AM PDT
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PrintThe SEC said no for now to Texas A&M. Most observers thought it was a lock this weekend that A&M was headed to the SEC. The Aggies were fed up with the gluttony of their arch rival Texas and wanted out of the Big 12. The main problems with the move from an SEC perspective was existing media contracts and who would have ended up being the 14th team.
"The SEC presidents and chancellors met today and reaffirmed our satisfaction with the present 12 institutional alignment," said Florida president Bernie Machen, the chairman of the SEC's presidents and chancellors. "We recognize, however, that future conditions may make it advantageous to expand the number of institutions in the league. We discussed criteria and process associated with expansion. No action was taken with respect to any institution including Texas A&M."
The bottom line on all this is the Big 12 isn't going to survive and neither will the Longhorn Network in its current form. I still think that eventually Texas moves West once LN fails to meet revenue estimates and ends up being a losing proposition for all parties involved.
Practice Notes
The Huskies were hit with what originally appeared to be two serious injuries on Saturday night.. DT Alameda Ta'amu is believed to have broken a bone in his hand and CB Quinton Richardson picked up a painful lower leg injury after a collision with Kasen Williams.
Reports that came in later this weekend say that Ta'amu will be OK. The medical staff will put a cast on it and he will be able to play. We also received better news on Richardson. His leg isn't broken and he appears to have either a deep contusion or a high ankle sprain. We should have a better idea about his condition once Sark meets with the press later today.
Who would take over for Richardson if he can't go? Greg Ducre and Marcus Peters immediately come to mind with Ducre having the edge because of a full year of experience.
The coaches are considering moving Erik Kohler back to guard. They either don't like what they have seen out of Colin Tanigawa so far or they are just trying to light a fire under him. If Kohler moves to guard Ben Riva would take his place at right tackle.
Nick Montana has had a good camp so far and he has been steadily whittling away at the gap between him and Keith Price. I don't see any change coming in the starting lineup but it is good to see competition at the position this camp.
No word yet on the status of Antavius Sims, Kyle Lewis and Marvin Hall who are waiting to become eligible.
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A&M seems too Needy
And that is never a good way to go into negotiations. Things in the Big 12 must be pretty bad to look so desperate and not care. What if the Pac 12 took the initiative and began expansion talks with A&M? Are the Aggies only interested in the SEC? I mean lets take a moment to look at a proposal. The Pac 12 has the richest tv deal in the country, great adacemic standards, and stability. Let’s talk…
All I saw was purple
Too late for A&M in the Pac12
The current teams would lose a lot of their TV money if the Ags were to join. Splitting a 12 slice pie 13 ways.
The Pac12 likely won’t consider expanding until the new TV deal nears its end.
by thecassino on Aug 15, 2011 8:55 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There's a clause in the new TV contract
that leaves it open to renegotiation should the Pac-12 expand.
Didn't know that
But it still presents a mountain of logistical problems that make it unrealistic at this point.
by thecassino on Aug 15, 2011 9:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Aggies are desperate and needy
I think it’s time to get serious with them. I haven’t seen our tv contract, but it would be completely insane not to have an expansion clause in the existing contract, especially when the original expansion goal was 16 and not 12. Logistics would only be temporary. When the Big 12 crumbles (and it will) we’ll already have A&M. This would leave the door open for other Big 12 members to make the jump to the Pac and already have 2 familiar faces (Colorado and A&M). Getting A&M before the SEC gets them, would give us a significant tv viewership in the state of Texas. I might also note that if we grab A&M now, maybe with a few years removed, the relationship with Texas could be ressolved, where Texas would then strongly consider the Pac, thus leaving the door open for both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. It doesn’t hurt to talk to A&M now. Just saying….
All I saw was purple
Um, I believe that the original goal was 12, as was rumored way back in 2006, not 16.
With the way that members of the Big 12 were exploring their options to leave the conference, one of them possibly being Texas, who would likely bring several other schools along with them, it just evolved into a goal of expanding to 16 schools.
by Carl Shinyama on Aug 15, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Big Ten talks of taking 16, Pac 10 talks of taking 16
Just last summer both the Big Ten and Pac 10 were rumored to take as many as 16. Scott even mentioned after we accepted both Colorado and Utah that expansion is not done. I honestly see Texas evolving into an independent (if the Longhorn Network is successful). Eventually everything will morph into 16 team super conferences. P.S. sources say the SEC/A&M merger isn’t dead, just put on hold.
All I saw was purple
And throw in the SEC...
…who will make the move first?
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I think Scott always wanted 16
Going to 16 makes a lot of sense from a scheduling standpoint, provided that it’s split into normal divisions rather than a pod format – it would keep the original Pac-8 schools happy (especially the PNW schools) and would ease travel issues for the newcomers + the Arizona schools. I’m sure the Arizona schools would not enjoy fewer trips into California, but they’d also get the increased exposure in Texas (a place they already recruit).
hmmm
I might also note that if we grab A&M now, maybe with a few years removed, the relationship with Texas could be ressolved, where Texas would then strongly consider the Pac
I’m guessing you are not too familiar with the way these two schools feel about each other. Taking on A&M would actually force UT further away from us.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
I know their is some hostility
Both these schools use to be equal in terms of athletic performance and revenue. Texas has evolved into having the premere athletic dept., who has surpassed Notre Dame as the richest athletic dept. in the country. Meanwhile A&M has gone stale. Their is a huge differnce these days in terms of performance and revenue when looking at both departments. However, A&M is still A&M and it is a huge market. A&M is contemplating a move to the SEC in order to bank on closing the gap between them and the Shorties. Playing SEC football in the state of Texas could possibly be a huge recruiting advantage. Just saying….
All I saw was purple
I am pretty sure A&M doesn't want us...
I am also pretty sire that once the legal stuff is worked out…give it a little time…A&M will be in the SEC.
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by John Berkowitz on Aug 15, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. A&M will want to be in a "better" football conference than UT, so they will go to the SEC
Assuming the Pac 12 will target AAU (Association of American University) members in the Big 12 – the Pac 12 already has 8 of the 59 US members – the most likely targets are:
Iowa State University
University of Kansas
University of Missouri
University of Texas
Texas A&M University
With Oklahoma and OSU as options due to size and past success.
Though if the Big Ten also wants to get to 12 schools, it is probably a more logical partner for all of the Iowa, Kansas, Missouri contingent.
I’m having a harder and harder time finding 4 more schools that are a good academic and athletic fit for the Pac 12 that aren’t better fits in the SEC or Big Ten.
Big 10 new math
the Big 10 has 12 schools so I’m guessing you meant “16” and adding 2 KS plus ISU and MO. I also think A&M will be admitted to the SEC, this is just a little smack down to let them know who is in charge while the SEC finds a “partner”, ie 14th team.
Correct. Meant to say "if the Big Ten also wants to get to 16 schools"
To me, the Big Ten will probably try to get Missouri, Iowa State, Kansas, and Pittsburgh. They are all AAU members. All are have strong football programs with two elite Men’s Basketball programs. Two are in the existing Big Ten footprint and two would add border states.
And to be honest, it makes more sense for Texas A&M and Oklahoma to join the SEC than the Pac 12. Assuming the SEC can also poach a couple ACC/Big East schools to keep the East/West divisions balanced, there goes a couple more Pac 12 targets.
That leaves the Pac 12 looking at picking up the bridesmaids from the Big 12 and possibly trying to get another school or two from C-USA, MWC, or WAC.
AAU/academics
For all the talk about the Pac-10 and high academic standards, when Scott made his run for Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were part of the offer, so clearly TV appeal at this point trumps academic status.
Which isn’t to say the conference would completely abandon their principles (there will be no inviting Boise State for example), but they’d rather have Oklahoma and Oklahoma State than Mizzou & Kansas, AAU status be damned.
The Big Ten is all about Notre Dame
They could give a crap about the rest…for the Big Ten it is all about Notre Dame….for the Pac 10 it is all about Texas…and yes…Texas will be a Pac Ten 10 member.
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by John Berkowitz on Aug 15, 2011 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
A&M to the SEC? I acutally like it
I actually think they fit well with the SEC. It could be a lucrative decision. Right now A&M is stale in the Big 12 and will continue to be in the shadow of Texas. Yet if A&M goes single (gets away from Texas) and lands in the SEC, it could transcend to something extrodinary in the state of Texas. As a recruit, would you rather play in the SEC or Big 12? Would most recruits say playing in the SEC would be better? Maybe A&M is thinking if they go to the SEC, they can compete w/ Texas better for the services of the state’s best football talent. Sure looking at A&M now playing in the SEC looks bleek in the win/loss column, but if a SEC move creates hysteria with state recuits, A&M could potentially be on the move up in the pecking order.
All I saw was purple
That'll pretty much put...
…an end to the Big 12/10 if that happens.
Washington Husky Football-"Hear the bark, feel the bite!"
the Aggies don't exactly bring a lot to the table despite the fact they think they do
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
"despite the fact they think they do" brings a ton to the table
I’m sure their are more backers for A&M then Colorado and Utah put together. Maybe they don’t bring a lot to the table in terms of on the field performance, but they’d certainly have a lot of televisions on in the state of Texas. P.S. Colorado doesn’t bring a lot to the table either with their losing ways.
All I saw was purple
Being second in Texas...
…is still a pretty big deal. I think it might help A&Ms goal of getting out of the shadow of Texas. A lot of people think the SEC is hands down the best football conference.
Washington Husky Football-"Hear the bark, feel the bite!"
SEC votes to postpone chaos
presumably until a time when they have their plans in place and ducks in a row so that it won’t be chaotic, at least for them. I’m glad, because I can’t imagine the time was ripe for Larry Scott’s plans, either.
by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 15, 2011 8:53 AM PDT reply actions
A&M to Longhorn Network:
“Read my lips! No new Texas”!
Support our student athletes, have faith in the coaches! "...it's how you play the game!"
by Purpledawg on Aug 15, 2011 9:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Alameda Ta'amu
I was a little worried when I heard Ta’amu got a little banged up. Thank god it’s not too serious. If it was it would’ve had a huge inpact on the season. As well as Richardson played the last half of the season, we can’t afford to lose him either. I want to see our defense fresh, healthy, and ready to go. It would be nice to see a Husky defense set the tone early, which has been missing for years.
All I saw was purple
Maybe it's a blessing...
…that the injuries happened early in camp, rather than later.
Washington Husky Football-"Hear the bark, feel the bite!"
John, I generally agree with you but...
I would not make the assumption that Tanigawa is not doing well. Riva looks like he is stepping up and Kohler does not look to be improving from last fall… the move back to guard maybe because of that and not that he will automatically move to the #1’s at LG. Also I posted once before a lineup of DK at center Porter at RG and Schaffer at RT. DK is gone but you can see from Coz interview Schaffer at RT is a possiblity. Tanigawa is taking snaps at center, Porter was getting a bunch but is now back at RG, not sure what that means, but if someone doesn’t step up at RT my earlier predicton may come true with Schaffer, but DK being gone does make it less likely in my opinion.
yeah - I think I agree...
…. Kohler moving to guard = red flag
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
It could just be that he doesn't have to footwork to be a tackle
I don’t know if that’s a red flag. He seemed much better with somebody on both sides last year, if he becomes an all Pac-10 guard, I won’t consider it a bust.
Coz on Tanigawa
We’ve been hearing a lot of praise of Tanigawa this off-season, so I’m taking the recent comments by Coz as more of a motivational tactic and less a worry about his performance in general.
It ain't Tanigawa
From what I’ve heard CT is playing about as well as the three veterans, so don’t believe this is about motivating Tanigawa at all. Sounds like setup for “moving day”.
yeah, I'm afraid that might be the case
Not sure why Kohler seems to be slipping (if that’s true), but hopefully he finds his niche. A lot of talented young kids on the OL, and Kohler will have to earn his place.
All that said, that he was one of only 2 true frosh to play on the OL last year suggests that he has the ability.
Is Frustration setting in?
With all the flip-flopping, mixing up players and positions, does anyone besides me think maybe a few of the players are getting a little frustrated? Is Kohler regressing due to lack of effort, motivation, and or just not working hard enough? Or is he regressing simply because he covets to play a certain position on the O line, but the coaches keep switching him to another position?
Kohler played very well early on last season until he got sick. I’d like to see less player flip flopping from the coaching staff and get serious about developing players into one position on the line. Now I know going in, you want the best combination of players on the line, but at some point the evaluation should come to a close, where you can begin developing players for a specific position. I agree with the competition, but after awhile the flip flopping could get into the player’s head.
All I saw was purple
I could be wrong but I don’t think it’s that Kohler has regressed as much as others have worked their tail off and caught up and/or passed him. Some kids are workout junkies…and some aren’t.
If true...
Then Kohler needs to get it in gear. He’s a talented kid, but without work ethic, he’s mediocre.
All I saw was purple
He came in and played Guard in the Pac-10 as a true frosh
motivation isn’t his issue or he’d be a Kevario Middleton type.
That came form out of left field
Kohler is a stud that will play on Sundays…the only OL he is behind at this point is Porter who IMHO is a can’t miss.
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by John Berkowitz on Aug 15, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe it's a good guy...
…bad guy thing and like someone said, all about motivation. I thought I read where Sark was raving about CT.
Washington Husky Football-"Hear the bark, feel the bite!"
Assumptions...
I am just quoting Cozzetto… thing is Dan has no problem shifting these guys around to find the best combination.
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by John Berkowitz on Aug 15, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
It also provides experience at 2 or more spots on the OL, for some. As the season wages on with injuries & illness most likely occuring once again, and competitor match-ups changing from week to week, it will help that a lineman like EK can perfom at multiple spots
.
by The Dude 4 Real on Aug 15, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I would not make the assumption that Tanigawa is not doing well. Riva looks like he is stepping up and Kohler does not look to be improving from last fall…
Washington Husky Football-"Hear the bark, feel the bite!"
I'm sure he's improving
but when you come out of HS as a workout warrior and P-10 ready, it’s hard to have the gains the Riva’s and Hatchie’s do.
Dear John,
Mind your own business.
Signed,
All the Rednecks in the Refreshingly Civilized City of Austin, Tx
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Aug 15, 2011 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Austin is pretty progressive
it’s just a shame that most of the Texas faithful live outside of Austin city limits.
Dear John,
Get your nose out of our shit.
Signed,
All the Rednecks outside the Refreshingly Civilized City of Austin, Tx
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
i think CB depth is a serious issue
did kasen play any cb at skyline?
Well
I think he can play about anywhere…but he is going to be WR.
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by John Berkowitz on Aug 15, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Saw Kasen at practice.
He’s not playing anywhere but WR (Or Wildcat…) for the rest of his football career.
Safety I think
a pretty darn good one at that. Gobern, Ducre, Peters, Glenn and Sims are guys lined up to be there now. A guy like Marvin Hall could be moved in an absolute pinch.
How about Timu?
Imagine being Marquess Wilson and looking up to see that American Badass lining up across from you. All day, baby
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
He's a beast who can run like the wind.
First ever hybrid cb, lb, rush end who can play a little full back, punt and run the wildcat. He also dabbles in playcalling while on the sideline. I want to buy his jersey RIGHT NOW! Gray version preferred
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Aug 15, 2011 9:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You might already own his jersey
isn’t he wearing #10? I think we should stick Lagafuiana at CB to jam the WR at the line. If he can’t get off the block, he can’t catch it downfield right?
Sounds like Laga's...
…being passed over by Shelton.
Washington Husky Football-"Hear the bark, feel the bite!"
sims and hall aren't on the team yet
i’m not counting them until they’re cleared to play.
there’s got to be a receiver on the roster who would be more likely to see the field at CB
That's not what I read...
They either don’t like what they have seen out of Colin Tanigawa so far
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