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The Monday Morning Wash - Winners and Losers

A year ago the big news out west and across the nation was Pac 10 expansion. Only a year ago it looked like a sure thing that Texas and a few other Big 12 schools would join the conference turning it into an 18 team behemoth. The logic was simple. Add Texas and all the TV sets the Longhorn state provides would create a bonanza for all.

All the expansion noise was supposed to be coming out of the Big Ten but Larry Scott preempted their thunder by going after the Texas schools. In the end Nebraska headed off to the Big Ten and the Pac 10 picked up Colorado and Utah. Both conferences walked away with a championship game but did that make them stronger?

For the Big Ten the ultimate prize has always been Notre Dame and they once again were unable to lure the Irish. The conference does get a championship game and the addition of a very solid school in Nebraska but they didn't pick up that much in the way of TV sets. Omaha/Lincoln is comparable to picking up Spokane even though Nebraska has a national presence.

Colorado and Utah were very attractive to the Pac 10 from a geographical perspective. Both institutions are located in serious growth areas so over time the TV value will continue to increase in value. Academically both schools are a good fit. That fit will get better over time as they assimilate into the academic associations of the conference.

The big question of course is did the Pac 12 which is sitting on a projected $30 million per school - per year payout need to include Colorado and Utah to pick up that type of TV deal? I think it did for a number of reasons and number one was simply momentum and perception.

The conference didn't get the biggest dog which was Texas but they created enough noise and enough new market space to become very interesting to the networks who were scrambling for sports programming. Having enough members to simply stage a championship game was a big deal to the networks.

Six months ago the media experts wondered if the Pac 12 conference would get something relatively close to the ACC deal. They argued that the Pac 12 would get less because they aren't nearly as a big a draw in basketball. Revenue projections for each member at that time was $10-$12 million. It was definitely an improvement but it was no bonanza.

Since then the league has signed a series of TV contracts which will bring in approximately $20-$22 million per member depending on who is doing the math. In addition to that the Pac 12 network will bring in another bonanza worth $8-$12 million per member once it gets rolling.

$28 to $34 million per year - per member. We are talking potential Texas money for every single school in the Pac 12 conference without the annoyance of having to be in the same conference as Texas. Overall the Pac 12 is the big winner in this round of the expansion derby. The big losers are the WAC, Big 12, and MWC.

The Big 12 loses Nebraska, Colorado, and its Dallas based championship game. The not so Big 12 also screwed the proverbial pooch when it came to revenue sharing. Texas gets the biggest slice followed by Texas A&M and Oklahoma. The potential disparity between Texas and lets say an Iowa State or Missouri is huge. I don't see this 10 team alliance sticking together beyond the length of their current TV contract.

The Mountain West Conference seemed poised to make some huge strides last June. They were ready to poach Boise State from the WAC and were on the verge of possibly picking up what was left of the Big 12. That would have automatically made the MWC a major BCS player.

At the last minute things went south for the MWC. Utah accepted an invitation to join the Pac 10 after the Texas schools decided to stay put in the Big 12.  BYU decided to go the independent route thinking that they could be the Notre Dame of the West. TCU then jumped on an invitation to join the Big East conference.

While all this was going on the WAC invited BYU to be a member in all sports except for football. The MWC then countered by inviting Boise State, Nevada, Hawaii, and Fresno State, which squashed those plans. BYU didn't look back and placed the rest of their programs in the WCC which was a major kudo for that mid major basketball oriented conference.

The WAC was almost obliterated and now is pretty much on life support. Remaining members include Utah State, Idaho, Louisiana Tech, San Jose State, and New Mexico State. New football members include Texas State and University of Texas at San Antonio. Denver was added as a basketball only member.

Blood in the water

When the NCAA decided not to reduce penalties for USC it sent an immediate message to Ohio State, North Carolina, Auburn, and Oregon that the eventual penalties they are going to receive are going to be just as harsh once their respective investigations are finished.

Damage control at Ohio State took a torpedo in the side this week when former WR Ray Small said in an interview that everyone on the team was getting special benefits from car dealers, boosters, tattoo artists, and God only knows what else.

Buckeye fans and boosters stayed classy by sending in hate mail and assorted threats.

Small told The Lantern on Wednesday he profited off of memorabilia while at Ohio State, adding that some student-athletes "don't even think about (NCAA) rules."

"I had sold my things but it was just for the money," Small said. "At that time in college, you're kind of struggling."

Small, who played receiver at OSU from 2006-2010, capitalized on the Buckeyes' success during his college career.

"We had four Big Ten rings," he said. "There was enough to go around."

Small said he sold the rings to cover typical costs of living.

"We have apartments, car notes," he said. "So you got things like that and you look around and you're like, ‘Well I got (four) of them, I can sell one or two and get some money to pay this rent."

The wheeling and dealing didn't stop with rings. The best deals came from car dealerships, Small said.

"It was definitely the deals on the cars. I don't see why it's a big deal," said Small, who identified Jack Maxton Chevrolet as the players' main resource.

The Lantern

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I think the exploitation of the Pacific Rim will be a huge component in the overall success of the Pac 12 network. The Mariners really have exploited that and the Larry Scott is poised to do the same thing in marketing the Pac 12.

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by John Berkowitz on May 30, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't mean they didn't exploit it

There are many asian american athletes playing for pac 12 teams. There is plenty opportunity to trap into that potential revenue stream.

by B Money on May 31, 2011 3:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I didn't dispute the exploitation of Japan's audience by the Mariners.

I’m simply trying to understand what John thinks the Pacific Rim seems to offer the Pac-12 network. Japan is but only a part of the Pacific Rim, and they’re much more of a baseball-oriented fan base than say, a football-oriented fan base. So, yeah, I’m trying to understand what John thinks Larry Scott is trying to tap into.

But let’s look at the context. The average Japanese individual who loves baseball knows who Ichiro is, and over there, Ichiro was and is a superstar and was a big draw, so many of them had the incentive to follow the MLB . So because of that, the Mariners were able to exploit that.

As I’ve touched on, Japan doesn’t really care for football nearly as much we do and has no such football superstar for the Pac-12 to tap into the Japanese revenue stream and tv sets similar to the way that the Mariners had with Ichiro, and I bring up football because football is the primary money-maker.

Further, there are not that many asian-American athletes playing football for Pac-12 teams. Most players that play in the Pac-12 that are from the Pacific Rim that might attract an audience are from Polynesian ancestry, and as such, come from islands and homelands that are inhabited strongly by those of Polynesian ancestry.

Going further, none of the islands and homelands that are strongly inhabited by those of Polynesian ancestry do not offer anywhere near CLOSE to the type of tv market or potential revenue that the Pac-12 would be looking for. If that were not the case, then the University of Hawaii would have been considered as a potential expansion team to add to the Pac-10.

As someone who lives in Hawaii, I can tell you that most here don’t really care for the Pac-12, and pretty much only the immediate family members of those who might play sports at a Pac-12 school would probably tune in weekly.

by Carl Shinyama on May 31, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question

So who do the people of Hawaii watch? Do they just follow Hawaii and their league or is it one of those areas where people watch everything but there is no real loyalty to any one league or team.

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by dawgfan22 on Jun 2, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think they'll be marketing Football in the Pacific Rim.

They will market the Olympic sports which are much bigger in countries like China and Korea, and the Pac 12 have many more athletes from the Pacific Rim in those sports.

by Mind of no mind on Jun 2, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes sense.

Though, neither China or Korea are Pacific Rim countries.

by Carl Shinyama on Jun 2, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

The non televised olympic sports are what i was getting after

I should have been more clear. The PTN will serve those sports for the most part, and allow for penetration into markets that value swimming, baseball (Japan is big on amatuer baseball) and other sports.

by B Money on Jun 3, 2011 7:42 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think they are Pacific Rim.

I believe any country that is connected to the Pacific Ocean is considered part of the Pacific Rim. I’m finding a bunch of websites on Google that confirm this. I think sometimes people seperate the Pacific Islands sometimes, but I think we’re talking about the whole Rim here.

by Mind of no mind on Jun 3, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can see the case for China, as one can make the argument that, with only Taiwan blocking them, they are directly connected to the Pacific

However, China is technically surrounded by the South China Sea, Philippine Sea, and the East China Sea.

Korea, I can’t see the case for them being called a Pacific Rim country, since they are primarily surrounded by the Yellow Sea, the East China Sea, and Sea of Japan.

by Carl Shinyama on Jun 4, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

PAC-16

Might as well dream big. I see thru my crystal lens ND and OK joing the pac 12 making it the block buster conference. The other two we will pretty much be able to pick and choose.
The TV ratings will go off the charts. No ACC refs though.

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by Purpledawg on May 30, 2011 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

You definitely dream big.

I’d be careful if I were you, that’s an awfully “Crazi-esque” crystal lens.

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by Lear Pilot on May 30, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

ND and OK

Hmmm. Not seeing that, OK goes where Texas goes, and they’re not leaving anytime soon.

by B Money on May 31, 2011 3:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think most of the major movement is over for now. I do think that the Big East will figure out a way to grow to 12 teams.

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by John Berkowitz on May 31, 2011 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think they do unless Villanova goes D1 in football

if they add another team they’ll be at what…18 or 19 for basketball? That’s too many and a logistical nightmare for rivalries and scheduling.

by B Money on Jun 3, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could see

Some of the Big 12 schools not likely the new arrangement and leaving texas for more fruitful grounds. But not Oklahoma

by CODawg on May 31, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oregon

With all that Phil Knight money, and with the smoke around that program, it is only a matter of time before there’s fire. I look forward to the Ducks being slapped down.

by astanfi on May 31, 2011 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

yep

Willie Lyles is a legit scouting service just like I’m the guy that got Natalie Portman pregnant. I would love love love to see NCAA investigators camping out in Eugene for several months to see what they can dig up, though I’m afraid it will probably require an enterprising reporter or three to do the NCAA’s heavy lifting for them (as has been the case with USC and Ohio State, and Washington back in the day).

by kirkd on May 31, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where have you read this?

This is the first I’ve heard of this, and I’m having trouble finding anything about it on google. That is good news!

by Mind of no mind on Jun 2, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Impression

It seems like the smaller market schools like Oregon tend to be able to slip underneath the radar more. WSU is like non existent.

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by dawgfan22 on Jun 2, 2011 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

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