Jerry Brewer's Law

Which is again limit, is that it would go both ways. I’m not able to look up the law right now but will try and find it (and again, I could be totally wrong), however, I was under the impression that once someone is drunk they are considered impaired and cannot legally consent. So if a women was to knowingly take advantage of a drunk guy who was not in a position to give consent than I’d assume it would also be considered rape. If both parties are drunk then I’m sure it would enter some gray area.

As I mentioned below though, the files were dropped and unless UW student conduct or the police decide to pursue it than Romar should not punish Overton for it.

and not to delve to far into politics here, but it’s that way across the board. From child support and custody, to welfare, to sexual consent and domestic violence, it’s all the same. Women get an advantage.

Legally speaking, they were both messed up so nobody should be liable. In the real world he gets investigated for rape and deemed a monster in the court of public opinion.

Which means it was smoked in the vehicle at some point. But yes, he was never accused of DUI, that should be clarified.

Unless the police or university take actions regarding the sexual aspects of the story than Romar can’t, and should not, punish Overton for that aspect.

He’ll get a fine. Just like any other adult that provides alcohol to a minor. I’m going to guess a few hundred bucks and a year or two of probation.

Obviously neither of us knows exactly what went down, or what info was available to Venoy about these girls. And you bring up good points.

But between info usually available on a Facebook profile and spending quite a few hours in their company, I’m having a hard time believing Venoy didn’t have some clue that these girls were still High School aged. Now, I’m not going to claim I never partied with High School girls unknowingly while at the UW, but I’m pretty sure I was able to figure that out in most (if not all) circumstances. For a 22 year old guy to not have some idea that he was partying with 16 year olds – I think that’s fairly unlikely, but not impossible.

you can simply choose not to display your birthdate/age. So it would be reasonable to assume that may have been the case and Venoy was unaware of her age during the initial contact phase.

1st, if Overton was a general student, or lower level athlete, he’d still be facing legal charges and possibly action by the University. Would we hear about it? I think there’s a good chance it makes the police blotter in the Times, but not much more than that. The problem is he isn’t just a general student, he is a very public face/representative of the UW. That’s why were debating this; playing college basketball is a privilege, and consequences will be different for athletes.

2nd, what you’ve heard is opinion and innuendo about BYU’s motives. I doubt that you’ve heard any actual evidence. But I happen to agree, I think that the swift action was in part a PR move, primarily due to their past history of ignoring athletes’ violations (n.b. Jim McMahon).

There’s also a significant population of senior LDS leaders who would like to do away with all athletics at BYU (like was done when Ricks College became BYU-Idaho), and, in my opinion, the swift action against Davies was as much a response to this group of men as it was to the general public. To a certain extent this worked, because the response from the media, including ESPN, has been generally positive, and there’s nothing more liked at senior LDS levels than positive media.

I also think it’s naive to think that PR played no role in Romar’s decision (or that of any other college coach faced with a similar situation).

I hate finding myself defending BYU, because for the most part I agree with what you’ve said and what was said in the deadspin article. I just don’t think that BYU’s hypocrisy and double standards are any greater than the UW’s. In recent years, I think they’ve actually improved when it comes to dealing with athletes. And in this particular instance, I find Romar’s decision worse than Dave Rose’s, for the reasons Brewer elucidates.

For the record, I spent two years at Ricks College, and am well-versed in the hypocrisy and double standards of honor code enforcement at the general student level at LDS schools.

and he’s getting prosecuted for it. he’s taking the suspension and that seems appropriate.

lear, i love ya buddy, but we’re not talking about a pilot here, whose work necessarily risks life and limb. we’re talking about a guy who was approached by fans who wanted to hang out. he met them, brought them to a party, bought their drinks, and they screwed around.

the state of washington, and by extension it residents, have decided that 16 is old enough to consent, yet now many of us here are finding our law insufficient. when we we gentlemen were 16 and thought nothing but the dirty deed were we not glad it was only our overeager pimpliness that prevented us from having sex with 20-year-olds and not her fear of criminal prosecution?

brewer says venoy’s decisions were “morally corrupt and cannot be tolerated.” what the frak, jerry? you may not like ’em, i may not like ’em, but the decisions should definitely be somewhat tolerated. he caused some public embarrassment to the school and team and i think the degree of punishment appropriately reflects the degree of punishment.