UW Bowling: Preview and Open Thread
A few days ago, there was an open debate raging in the comments thread about what kind of opponent UW ought to aspire to play in what appears in all likelihood to be the Alamo Bowl. With the blowouts of Texas and Oklahoma by Baylor and OkSt yesterday, we now know that the field for likely Big 12 opponents in any Alamo Bowl matchup is between the threesome of Kansas State, Baylor and Oklahoma.
So, who do you want to play?
1) Kansas State
K-State is the most interesting of the three options as they are the highest ranked opponent and they also may be the most favorable matchup when you lay out strength on strength analysis. K-State features a run-first offense that, statistically speaking, is among the top 30 in the nation but only ranks in the 100's in terms of passing game. Their QB, Collin Klein, is their main weapon on offense and has shown a knack for knowing when to throw and when to tuck and run. He just barely leads the team in total rushing this season, just ahead of John Hubert. This team feels like Nebraska in how it executes its offense. They've had a remarkable year under the venerable Bill Snyder who, just three years into his return to the sideline, has them knocking on the door of a BCS bowl. That said, K-State is up to its familiar tricks in terms of scheduling. Their best win is their only one against a ranked opponent (I should count Texas ... but I'm not) - a one point squeaker vs Baylor - and they lost to both the Oklahoma schools rather convincingly. In addition, if you throw out Kansas, they've had only one other game this season (Kent St) where they have won by more than 7 points. This is a team that is good - but beatable - and has benefited from a lot of breaks throughout the season. They went into this weekend ranked #11.
2) Baylor
Baylor features, in my opinion, the best player in college football this season - Robert Griffin III. RG3 has had a remarkable season throwing for nearly 4000 yards and 36 TDs on 72% accuracy. His production is better than Matt Barkley, better than Trent Richardson and, sorry, way better than Andrew Luck. He deserves the Heisman. Baylor is fifth in the nation in passing and 18th in the nation in rushing. Their running attack is built on the legs of both RG3 (650 yds, 9 TDs) and RB Terrance Ganaway - a TB who has exploded for nearly 400 yds in his last two games (Texas Tech and Texas). Defensively, Baylor is very vulnerable - ranking around 110th in total D. Looking at the schedule, their signature wins this year are squeakers against TCU (one of the best games I've ever seen) and Oklahoma while they lost to Oklahoma St, K-State and Texas A&M. A matchup against Baylor would be a preview of every Apple Cup to come that involves Mike Leach.
3) Oklahoma
Oklahoma is a team just trying to hang on. They've suffered greatly this year on the injury front with season-enders to Heisman candidate WR Ryan Broyles and RB Dominique Whaley. The absence of these playmakers has put the onus on stud QB Landry Jones - the successor of some dude named Sam Bradford. Landry has not responded well. He has not thrown a TD pass in his last three games and has just 2 TDs vs 5 INTs over his last four. On the defensive side, Oklahoma has received much criticism - but the reality of it is that OK is a pretty good defensive team and absolutely has the talent to stand up against the better offenses in college football. Oklahoma has notched some good victories this year - including a big win against #5 FSU early in the year and a convincing clown stomp of K-State midseason. But it also has three losses including getting blown out in Bedlam as well as close ones to both Baylor and Texas Tech. This Oklahoma team is playing through one of their most difficult stretches under Bob Stoops. While they may be the most "down" team of the three, they would also be the most prestigious opponent - a criterion that is very important to some of us on this blog. Given their "wounded bear" status, Oklahoma may be the most dangerous of the three possibilities.
So, who do you want? and, who do you think will get it?
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Alamo Bowl
Baylor and Kansas State doesn’t turn on televisions, at least not as many as Oklahoma does. I want Boomer Sooner!
All I saw was purple
Me too!
I totally agree with you crazidawg and what Gekko posted. Ok is the most prestigious of the three teams and I’m inclined to think the best of the three teams. Despite OU being dumped on against OSU last night, they are a very good team. A win over them, would be huge for Udub. I want the Sooners, then I want them to die!
I should matter
OU gets the nation’s attention, ESPN is more giddy to cover them, and when you speak of the Big 12, OU traditionally co-exists as ruler with Texas. Kasnas State and Baylor don’t move the hype meter.
All I saw was purple
Kansas State
My criteria is the team we’re most likely to beat. I know OU has struggled mightily, especially without Broyles, but I still view them as being capable of demolishing good teams (see Texas, K-State games). I don’t think our D could get RG3 off the field. Give credit to K-State for winning close games, but I view them as a 7-5ish team that just had the breaks go their way this season.
51 votes in and it is almost exactly ben split among the three candidates. We should get some good debate today.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Very entertaining
I hope it would be entertaining for us though.
Being from Texas, Baylor is the only Texas team I root for. I’ve always loved them. RG3 is almost from my hometown. I don’t want to have to end Baylor’s season with a loss. Go Dawgs!
Baylor Is Likely
Baylor is a big story these days, as they have finaly evolved their football program in the past few years. This is also the team that seems most likely to get the Alamo invite.
by The Dude 4 Real on Dec 4, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Baylor
They don’t demand your attention like Oklahoma. They’ve had one good season, that doesn’t really move the hype meter. It reminds me of a 200 Rose Bowl vs. Purdue, sort of a yawn opponent.
All I saw was purple
Could Not ....
… Care less about Oklahoma
by The Dude 4 Real on Dec 4, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
Baylor
Seems a little similar to UW in that they have a nice offense but can’t stop anybody. This season, their defense had games where they gave up 48, 55, 59, 39, 38 and 42 points.
Statistically, their defense is worse then ours (114th in ypg vs. 94th, 109th in ppg vs. 99th).
When I was looking this up, I found out that Kansas gave up almost 44 points a game this year. That’s pretty amazing.
Baylor's D
is horrendous! It is way worse than ours. They made Texas’ offense look good yesterday. With that being said though, their offense is top 5 quality.
71 votes in, the split is 24-24-23.
I think the ambivalence around here is off the charts.
Oklahoma!
I always want what is best for the Dawgs. Oklahoma is a very prestigious university. K St and Bayor are not. I also think OU is the better of the three teams. I understand people on this blog wanting us to play the most beatable opponenet and take a W. Me, I want the hardest opponent with a chance to get a W against them. Something that will be a staple for the Return of the Huksies!. A win against OU would be just that.
The Dawgs are going to San Antonio! That is awesome, one hour away from me here in Austin. I will be in S.A., ready to put on a purple party. Let’s go Huskies!
Understand
But they are definitely not a better team.
by datboyeddiep on Dec 4, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Stupid As Stupid Can Be
Baylor beat Oklahoma…….. PERIOD!!
by The Dude 4 Real on Dec 4, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
and Oklahoma whooped A&M & Kansas St, who both beat Baylor
Head-to-head is only one piece of the puzzle. On that day, Baylor was slightly better than Oklahoma. Over the course of the season, there’s little to distinguish them.
Dude
That don’t mean anything. Any team can beat any team any day. Is Iowa St better than Ok St? Of course not, that’s the beauty of college football. Baylor all around is definitely not Oklahoma.
My choice(s):
1) I want Boomer Sooner!
2) the highest ranked opponenet of the three.
All I saw was purple
Be careful of what you wish for
ESPN showing OK vs UW in Alamo Bowl. Do we really want all the attention that OK will bring when we get our a** handed to us by OK? I do not think we match up well against OK another blowout waiting to happen.
by lorenzothedog on Dec 4, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
You want to play the best
In the 1984 Orange Bowl the coverage was all about the Sooners this and the Sooners that. The media practically convinced the viewership that Oklahoma was the winner prior to kickoff. Washington won. Sort of like last year’s Holiday Bowl. Going into bowl games, I will always vote to play the best available opponent. Win or lose you want the most coveted opponent.
All I saw was purple
Hell yeah
Of course! That’s how great things happen.
by datboyeddiep on Dec 4, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Come on man!
We will dominate whatever fool wants to come and play the Dawgs! Where is the emotion? Where is the confidence? Get it together man! We have a bowl game to play!
by datboyeddiep on Dec 4, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Seeing clearer now
I took off the purple shades and swore off the purple kool aid after the OSU game. Just calling it the way I see it based on the beating we took against OSU – ORE – STAN – USC and NEB. No faith in this D against a good passing team or our OL against a good D.
by lorenzothedog on Dec 4, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
None of the three opponents is significantly better than the other...
… This attitude of being afraid to get beat is chicken shit. A chance at a signature win is rare. The consequence of a blow out – other than making you feel bad, has no practical implication, especially if the opponent was pre season #1. Upside is way better than the downside – even before you factor in the risk of a “lesser” opponent beating the crud out of us.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Dec 4, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I HATE this apparent trend of not wanting to play good teams.
Let’s rewind a year:
“God, I can’t believe we’re playing Nebraska in the Holiday Bowl! They stomped us last time – there’s no way we’ll even come close this time. We’re gonna get blown off the field.”
i agree OK's D is more physical than our O
but who do we match up on Kendall Wright?
i want the Okies but being a Texas bowl i see the Alamo taking Baylor.
regardless buying airfare tonight.
A Texas thing
I agree with you PandG, I’m sure the Alamo Bowl committee will select Baylor. A Texas-based bowl is going to pick a Texas-based school. But that doesn’t stop me from wanting an Oklahoma matchup.
All I saw was purple
I don't think they'd pass on Oklahoma if they had the chance.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Me either
I think Baylor is going to the Cotton Bowl which is the second most intriguing bowl the Big 12 has. Bring OK our way for that whooping!
by datboyeddiep on Dec 4, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
I picked Baylor
I watched their TCU game and a couple others. RGIII is one of the most fun players to watch in the NCAA.
Agreed...let's be honest
Neither D is shutting anyone down but… both teams are gonna beat up the scoreboard. And it will be very interesting and entertaining from a national perspective considering the two teams.IMO..
Plus the obvious future seattle connection
when he is drafted in the 1st round by the Seahawks.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 4, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Oklahoma! Vengeance for.....uh....(looks it up)
2006! Yes sir, we were tied at halftime on the road in Norman, and then something happened and we ended up losing.
If I were you guys
I’d want OU. Biggest name, and right now, I think most beatable. Bowl season is so fun though. I think this day might be my favorite day of the whole football season.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
Any At All
Baylor would be a great matchup and I would love to watch that game – Kansas State has the highest ranking but I think they are beatable and Oklahoma brings the most exposure – I ended up voting for Oklahoma but I wouldn’t be sad about any of the matchups.
Roast Duck is a delicacy.
Picked Oklahoma because I think they have the worst offense of the 3.
I trust our offense to perform well but I don’t want to see us get scorched for 600 yards and 6 touchdowns on national TV. Plus Oklahoma is Oklahoma. And Baylor/K. State are… who again?
We get to see if Keith Price & Co. can out RG3 the RG3.
Fun stuff. Congrats to Sark and the team, and GO DAWGS!!!!
Damn, this game is going to be a barn burner, can't wait.
by kschimke on Dec 4, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This means Stanford got the Fiesta (presumably).
Or at least, some BCS bowl. Kaa-ching for the Pac-12…
This should be fun.
I don’t mean that sarcastically or anything. NO DEFENSE ALLOWED.
dec 29 just so happens to be my bday
let’s hope RG3 doesn’t ruin it
by CAHusky on Dec 4, 2011 4:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Over/under
If it is Baylor look for a shoot out. I think the over/under for yardage allowed by Husky D will be north of 600 – points allowed 45 and combined points 80.
A lot of people over on the Condotta blog are already saying it's over.
Pretty hilarious excuse for fans.
Condotta's blog is excellent.
The comments on Condotta’s blog are a cesspool.
Ain't that the truth....
There’s maybe half a dozen posters that know their ass from their elbow.
I should've said "the comments section for anything on the Times is awful," actually.
As with most comments sections on the Internet. Sometimes I have to take a step back and realize how awesome most SBN communities are.
Couldn't agree more.
Reading the comment section is wasting time from your life that you will NEVER be able to get back!
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Any Husky fan who thinks it's over
isn’t much of a fan! Right now I feel so good I’d take on LSU in a bowl. I’m confident and proud to be a Husky fan! We will smash Baylor back up I35 all the way to Waco! I only have an hour drive to the game, it will be my first Husky game ever! Very pumped man, I’ll hit RG3 myself. Don’t give me the opportunity! Let’s go Dawgs!
by datboyeddiep on Dec 5, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Hey...
I make a comment or two there on extremely rare occasion….
Hah, the entire ESPN segment showing the Alamo matchup was saying how awesome RG3 is
I get that I guess, but they literally said the word “Washington” once.
I saw that…good we’ll fly right in under everyones radar and pound Baylor just like we did Nebraska last year.
If only we could have RG3 forget how to throw be injured.
Also, if Baylor suddenly decided they didn’t want to be there would be helpful, too.
by Steen on Dec 4, 2011 6:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No pass rush + bad secondary = potential nightmare.
Fortunately for us, Baylor doesn’t know what defense is either.
Baylor is averaging 200 yards rushing allowed a game. That is pretty awful.
Hope Polk brings his lunch pail.
I guess I'm just not sweating it.
… I think our secondary is serviceable and we’ll have a pretty good 1:1 matchup with Trufant vs Kendall Wright. The Dawgs have 15 practices to discover a pass rush and, may I suggest, that they look at film on how Oregon goes about getting their smallish ends in advantaged positions. they take risks, but those risks often pay off. We’ve had some good days against some good QBs in the second half – Barkley and Thomas come to mind.
All of this, of course, is secondary to stopping the run and that is going to come down to our ends and our LBs growing up a little bit. We know what our interior D-Line and MLB is going to give us.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
We've got some nice defensive parts.
Holt just has to put `em all together on the same page, at long last.
Price, Polk, ASJ, Kasen, et.al. WILL move the ball. Have a little faith.
they're even worse than we are on D
Some numbers of note:
Total Defense:
UW: 426.3 (94th)
Baylor: 477.5 (114th)
Scoring Defense:
UW: 33.3 (99th)
Baylor: 35.7 (109th)
Rush Defense:
UW: 142.6 (54th), 4.5 per rush
Baylor: 198.7 (102nd), 5.2 per rush
Pass Efficiency Defense:
UW: 136.0 (79th)
Baylor: 141.2 (95th)
Sacks By:
UW: 1.9 (56th)
Baylor: 1.6 (85th)
Total Offense:
Baylor: 571.3 (2nd)
UW: 392.3 (57th)
Scoring Offense:
Baylor: 43.5 (6th)
UW: 31.5 (36th)
Rush Offense:
Baylor: 215.1 (18th)
UW: 152.0 (67th)
Pass Efficiency Offense:
Baylor: 194.1 (1st)
UW: 153.3 (17th)
Sacks Against:
Baylor: 2.1 (70th)
UW: 2.8 (102nd)
Turnover Margin:
Baylor: +4 (32nd)
UW: +2 (42nd)
So basically UW beats Baylor in every defensive category that matters, and Baylor beats UW in every offensive category that matters. Baylor will probably be a slight favorite, but there’s no reason to think Washington can’t win this one by exploiting a terrible Baylor defense and winning the turnover battle.
The Alamo Bowl: No Defense Allowed.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Going to be a shoot out.
If we make Oregon State’s QB look like a Heisman candidate, I’m scared to think what an actually Heisman candidate will do to our defense!
That being said, I could see Chris Polk breaking the single game record for rushing yards!
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
You guys like how I subliminally set up Baylor as our opponent by posting the picture of RG3 this morning.
I’m sneaky good that way.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
This was my choice...Two Great Offenses!
Plus two of my favorite QB’s! High energy bowl game….I’m hoping for the dance of the Polk-a!
Ryan McDaniel commits to UW according to some sources.
Thoughts from our recruiting gurus?
an example of a guy that I'd like to see pushed to defense if he has potential as a Mike.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Agreed.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
or even SAM
I’m not picky about which LB spot, but put him on defense first. If you watch his film, he’s a big hitter that wraps up and has good speed. I’m less impressed with his RB footage, though I wouldn’t be terribly upset if he ended up on that side (as long as he’s tried on defense first).
I think it's a really good get
He has an impressive offer list (USC, UCLA, ASU, Arizona among others), has good size (~6’, 220lbs) and can run.
I’d like to see him get his first shot at LB, but if not he’ll likely end up as a big RB or FB. I think he has the potential to help us more at LB though…
Wow - Just saw that Fresno St fired Pat Hill.
… that’s pretty much the end of football in Fresno. Pat Hill is a nice fall back option for a few schools (and, yes, I’m thinking about you UCLA). I can already hear Lear’s voice in my head squawking about P-Hill as a DC candidate (which is odd, since I’ve never heard Lear’s voice before).
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
My voice:
Did it sound like:
Terrain, Terrain, PULL UP, PULL UP . . .
or
Hey, watch this . . . .
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
And no, I'm not a big Pat Hill fan.
He did some good things at Fresno, but never wanted him here. I’d like to see Jim Mora as DC, yes I know: Never.Gonna.Happen., but I can dream right?
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
if Mora doesn't take a job this year...
…I wouldn’t be shocked to see him at the UW in 2013. If Sark does ever cut ties with Holt, he doesn’t exactly have a huge Rolodex built up of other assistants he’s worked with. That Mora is local and has met (if briefly) Sark before gives him a bit of an edge on other potential candidates.
turn it green.. it's the Hulk for goodness sakes!!
Last PAC-12 Rose Bowl winner not named USC....Washington
Where in Texas is this?
Polk footage from his Alamo bowl TD run in the 3rd Qtr? Or…4th?

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