Venting Thread and Observations
I'm sure JB will have a write up soon, but I thought I'd get this thread up for Dawg Fans to continue their discussion about what was clearly one of the most fascinating games UW has ever played. The Alamo Bowl was a congruence of order and chaos the likes of which has never been observed. On one hand, we saw an offensive display that is unrivaled in our history. On the other hand, the defensive display was among the most reprehensible displays put up in any Husky era. The corresponding competitiveness of the game did nothing to stir up feelings of joy and suspense. It did nothing more than provide a momentary salve for the feelings of shame and embarrassment that Husky fans everywhere were experiencing. Baylor, of course, is a worthy and accomplished offense - but they were hardly the best we've ever seen over the years when compared to the likes of USC, Oregon, Oklahoma, tOSU, Stanford, LSU, and Nebraska. Nevertheless, the body language of the players on the field communicated utter bewilderment and complete confusion. How many snaps did we see get hiked where one or more players had their heads facing the sidelines? How many arm tackles got broken? How many players got caught flat footed and out of position when a Baylor runner was barreling through their zone? The offense played at an elite level as a result of their sharp execution and their inferior opposition. All the D had to do was bend and crack while avoiding giving up "to the house" plays. The defensive efforts mustered in games like Nebraska, Oregon and Hawaii - as ugly as those were - was all that was required to win this game. The fact that not even that could be mustered after a month's worth of preparation assures that this defensive unit will be known as the worst in Husky history and brings the curtain down on the tenures of a few current staffers. Other observations after the jump.
... Keith Price was amazing. He was making good reads. He worked progressions. He showed escapability. And he rarely missed an open man. The only thing he didn't do - and he may never be able to - was to squeeze a ball into a well-covered receiver when no other options are available. He had a great game the likes of which he may never again equal.
... The look on the face of Chris Polk all through the fourth quarter told you all you had to know about his red zone turnover and how he felt about it. If I'm not mistaken, that was his first fumble all year. In a game where our D couldn't stop a rock from rolling uphill, it was a mortal mistake, one that a fear he won't ever get the chance to atone for.
... I was really happy to see Jermaine Kearse go out with a bang. He deserved it and he clearly came out with something to prove in terms of his physicality and his hands.
... While the D was abysmal, epically so, one cannot dismiss the appearance of a pass rush in the first half. The rush was generated by frequent blitzing and the individual efforts of Josh Shirley. Josh was consistently winning his one on ones and was a lone bright spot
... I haven't yet come to grips with the performances of Quinton Richardson, Cort Dennison, and Alameda Ta'amu. They were literally unspeakable efforts and provide a dubious shroud over what have been long careers.
... I also haven't gotten over the missed FG by Eric Folk and the long kick returns surrendered. I thought special teams was a clear advantage coming in and it ended up being nothing better a break even (at best)
... Paging Sean Parker ... or any Safety. WTF?
... Finally, a note on the O Line. I realize that there were some breakdowns in the run blocking - especially by the tackles - but I can't say I was anything less than surprised by how well the pass blocking was executed. Before that last fourth down play, I can't remember Price getting pressured prematurely on any single pass play. While they didn't have to contend with a ton of blitzing, they handled the preponderance of their assignments and go into 2012 as a strength to build on.
That's it. Discuss.
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Sorry about formatting...I don't get what the problem is doing these on an iPad.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Try going into the HTML view and making sure the paragraph formatting is being inserted correctly.
It hasn’t been too apple friendly ever. Wasn’t that long ago that it wouldn’t let me write in the standard window at all, had to do everything through the HTML window if I was using my iPhone.
I can also only use the HTML page and I guess I don't know what formatting tools to use
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
For every paragraph you want enter
The paragraph symbols before and after each paragraph
at the beginng and then
at the endReally excited about the future of the offense,
but Holt simply has to go. There’s no other way around it.
by brettb3 on Dec 30, 2011 8:44 AM PST via mobile reply actions
What I keep coming back to is the benefit of 15 extra practices.
To me, the defense at the very least must be lined up appropriately at snap if you have 15 practices to prepare. I lost track of the number of times they are shuffling around as the ball was snapped.
In short, to my eye, the offense benefited from those extra 15 practices. I did not see much, if any improvement from the defense.
And now, for my very elaborate and college-educated plan!'
Looking at the game
you’d think they’d never seen a bubble screen before.It’s inexcusable to have so many simple quick throws that give up a first down and lots more every time. Why are the corners playing 10-12 yards off all night long? Plus big runs right up the gut? Where is everybody? That has to be poor scheme on the part of the coordinator. If you have your players in the wrong place time after time you get results like this.
Common sense isn't.
by Bald Eagle 1313 on Dec 30, 2011 8:58 AM PST reply actions
That actually didn't bother me too much.
After watching Baylor’s WR blow right past QRich, I’m not surprised we were playing soft coverage. I understand why we were playing soft coverage, and it was actually a good strategy, what bothers me is the almost 500 yards of rushing we gave up. Absolutely unacceptable.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Didn't you get the memo?
We aren’t allowed to agree.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
at least not on defensive issues!
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Hey wait a minute,
I agree with you…
They were running the same plays over and over, and we never made any plays that showed they could get off a block or even recognize the play that was coming at them.
"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis
by Carne Guisada on Dec 30, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
The corners were playing back because RG3 throws the deep ball VERY well. Baylor has very good WR’s and had they played up we would have gotten burned over and over – actually a solid game plan. The bubble screens caused the gaps in the middle of the D becuase both OLB set up extra wide to help get out to the side line quickly to defend the bubble screen. On one occasion Timu blitzed from te OLB position and Dennison rotated over to the OLB position to defend the bubble screen but unfortunatly that left no one at the MLB position and Baylor had the right call. They ran up the middle and untouched 70 yards for a TD.
Pretty much a "cat and mouse" deal
we bring our LB’s & S in the middle to stop the run and they throw the quick bubble screen. We put or guys wide to stop te bubble screen and they run it up the middle with huge gaps. The real problem in my mind was the way Trufant & QR’s inability to get of the block and stop the bubble screen for minimal gain. If they could have done it consistantly we could have left our LB’s inside to concentrate on the run.
The combination of being out of position and bad tackling were the most disappointing for me.
Some of that is on the players and some on the coaching. I just hope Sark figures this out, cause that game was straight up embarrassing.
I agree with John's previous critique of Holt and the defense...
But, after watching that game last night and knowing they had 15 extra practices to prepare you can’t tell me there isn’t someone out there who could do better. The position coaches should carry some of this blame as well. The same goes for them, I have to believe someone out there could do better than this.
We are historically awful.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
Yup. A midseason switch was a non starter. Now? Well, the evidence is clear. Holt hasn't earned another year.
He just hasn’t.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
There is a lot of people better
But will anyone better come here?
Also, is it a coincidence that the three defenders you called out (Gekko) are Ty kids? Something is clearly broken with Holt, but I’m still just not sure it’s going to get better if we hire some Sun Belt DC or a Holt rehash in Seto. I’m okay with shit canning him now though instead of outright opposed.
by B Money on Dec 30, 2011 9:32 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Money talks
if Woodward is willing to pay then I’d go after Stoops, Zook or Shannon. We REALLY need someone that is equaly great at D cordinator and recruiting. When was the lst time you read an interview with a commit who said “I really want to play for Holt?” I never hear his name mentioned in recruiting = not good!
Couldn't agree more.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
The question is no longer "anyone better", but, rather, "anyone worse"
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Dec 30, 2011 10:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
First you decide if you are broken. Then you decide how to fix it.
I don’t believe there’s any great shortage of coaching talent. Generally speaking, there’s far more talent out there than opportunity. There’s lots of hungry young coaches out there who would love to have a crack at this job. That doesn’t guarantee that they’ll better than Nick Holt, or worse than Nick Holt. It just guarantees that they’ll be different than Nick Holt. And that, right now, is good enough for me. Because it’s broken.
Coaching is not about leading. It’s about developing leadership in your players. And on the evidence, Holt just doesn’t seem to understand this basic fact.
What a shame
to watch a winnable game slip from our grasp due to a woefully unprepared and utterly clueless defense. What will Sark say to Nick Holt after such a performance? Hopefully it ends with “You’re fired”.
by Saltherring on Dec 30, 2011 9:24 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm worried Sark is like an abuse victim
He’s afraid to make Holt mad because he’ll get Tom Cable’d.
by B Money on Dec 30, 2011 9:34 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Don't worry
When Holt gets mad he only throws jabs and in the process eats about 65 unanswered shots without a gameplan for defense.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
by SSreporters on Dec 30, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Has anyone considered an exchange?
Through all the rumblings and bad-mouthing of the defense this season, I’ve remained a solid Nick Holt fan. Remembering Holt’s powerful USC defenses from the past made me optimistic that UW’s defensive woes weren’t Holt’s fault. Instead I chalked it up to the lower caliber defensive talent (i.e., two and three star recruits for UW verses four and five star for USC). And even after last night’s game I went to bed content with how far UW has progressed as a team. HOWEVER, when I woke up this morning and I was thinking clearer than I was at 1:00 am EST, I thought to myself, “Baylor’s D was supposed to stink worse than UW’s, yet it was able to make at least enough plays to stall our offense when it mattered most!” Then my mind went perhaps where it shouldn’t have. I began thinking, “Maybe Baylor would be willing to exchange D coordinators with UW, since that might give Baylor a foothold in Southern Cal.” But then I thought, “Nah, after last night’s nationally televised defensive debacle, Southern Cal recruits will laugh at the idea of playing for Holt.” Oh, well. I guess I’ve conceded. Holt needs to go. But I can’t think of anyone who might replace him. Although, just about anybody could fill his shoes now.
by MichiganDawgFan on Dec 30, 2011 10:11 AM PST reply actions
As much as I agree with every comment...just
Find the next guy FIRST! Don’t do an “ASU”! May I suggest; “Eenie Meenie Minie Mo”…Got Venting?
ASU
Was more like Eenie Meenie Minie Mo . . . . .oh, wait, the alums don’t like that one, let’s try again, Eenie, Meenie . . . .
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
I just want to also say how much more this hurt....
Polk…I too noticed his body language on the bench and thought it tells more. I was one in denial… in hopes of his Matt Barkley-ish press release that he’s coming back for his senior year…but, now I think I can see he has already decided to move on …and the fumble was all the more amplified in his huge Husky heart! I felt the impact of that play too! An amazing Dawg is leaving I’m afraid? Thank you for the amazing moments Chris!
Yes, he is surely done
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Dec 30, 2011 10:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yesterday on Softy's pregame show
he finished his interview (after giving a wishy washy response to coming back) with “It’s been nice playing here”. Freudian slip?
This sums it up....
on Nick Holt.
1st quarter Baylor has fourth and 1 inside our 20 and they run to the line and Holt decides to sub while Baylor is playing at breakneck speed. The D line doesn’t have a chance to get set and Baylor gets an easy 1st down.
Whose fault is that? Are you going to blame the players or the coaches?
by MNDawgfan on Dec 30, 2011 11:01 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I can play this game too
RG3 drops back to pass, the play breaks down but Josh Shirley is in the backfield to make a tackle. RG3 slips it and scrambles, luckily Josh Shirley is still in position to make a tackle. His misses it again. Well our back 7 have 3 shots to make a play right? They’re in position to do so, having been in the right spot to cover. Well they screw it up again and RG3 prances down to the 2 before somebody puts a good hit on him as he sails into the endzone.
Whose fault is that? Are you going to blame the coaches or the players? I’ll blame the players. It’s beyond Holt. I’m okay with him going, because clearly he’s part of the problem, and he’s lost the confidence of the fan base and (seemingly) of Sark. Can we stop perpetuating the myth that Holt is the only problem? The three worst games last night on defense were played by Seniors who are not Sark/Holt guys. They haven’t gotten better, but is it possible they hit their respective celings early and they’ve done all they can for them? I think it is and I think that’s why the D is bound to put up better numbers next year regardless of who the DC is.
I'd agree with you.
Holt probably needs to go, but a large portion of this is on the players (who I expect to improve next year).
I kind of analogize the Holt situation to Penn State (minus the whole heinous crimes thing)
Paterno needed to go in that situation, because while he wasn’t the main problem, he was part of it. Stuff happened on his watch and he had to be held accountable. Beyond that there was a scorched earth rebuild of that department because it’s what needed to happen to recover.
Fire Holt!
Just loggin’ in for one more round of…… fire Holt! Fire Holt! FIRE Holt! Can you hear me now? The highest paid and worst-ever performing DC, in not only Husky Football, but all of NCAA fbs football. WTF is Sark thinking?
For my part, I am pau with Husky Football now. No more ticket purchases or donations, and I’ll miss you guys here at UWDawgPound. It is just too painfull and embarrassing to see running backs sprinting through holes that one could drive a truck through, over and over and over again.
And now, for just one, last time: FIRE F’ING HOLT!
by The Dude 4 Real on Dec 30, 2011 11:08 AM PST reply actions
Really
I just got home from the most entertaining game of the year and you want to turn in your tickets?! Good riddance! Sure, Fire Holt for the terrible defense, but I hope that is just frustration speaking to quit now, because that is just ridiculous!
"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis
by Carne Guisada on Dec 30, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
I'm giving Holt one more year
The upper classmen playing defense are Ty’s kids. The freshmen and sophomores playing are Holts kids. The upper classmen stunk just as much as the immature freshmen. The freshmen have an excuse, they aren’t physically or mentally prepared to play championship football yet. Ty’s upper classmen have no excuse for stinking.
I agree the defense is at a historical low point and that obviously falls on the defensive coaches. However, I have to see what Holt can do with his own kids at a mature age. I’m willing to give him one more year. BUT, if I am Sark I am monitoring the defense, I am engaged in the defensive game planning, and I am making a short list of DC candidates if we don’t make progress with in the first 3 weeks of next season.
All I saw was purple
That's honestly the best rationalization I've heard for firing him
he’s in charge so he’s got to take the fall. That’s a fine line of thinking, as long as you recognize that it’s beyond Holt and that the entire defense needs an overhaul. I think that’s what’s got me so worked up about Holt haters.
Seniors, Juniors, Sophmores, Freshman
I don’t care whose guys they were, they should still be able to tackle the ballcarrier! I doesn’t take talent to do that. It should be drilled in to them by the coaches.
Huh? What happened?
And now, for my very elaborate and college-educated plan!'
Ty recruited different players then either Sark or Holt have recruited
I would suggest that many kids who have transferred since Sark arrived, did not respond well to the new coach or staff. I’m guessing the hold overs from the Ty years are not responsive to Holt. How do you explain Richardson’s unenthusiastic peformances? The upperclassmen that Ty recruited are just lousey football players. Richardson has the body and talent to play pro ball, but he can’t cover. The DT’s who Ty recruited just can’t get off their blocks. I’m not making excuses, but the real playmakers on this defense are freshmen and sophomores. Shirley, Hudson, Parker, Jamora (injured) and the OLBs have good potential. The upperclassmen stink, who were all recruited by Ty. With all that said, I will give Holt one more year. If no improvement, if I am Sark I am getting on the phone after week 3.
All I saw was purple
I honestly think QR hit his celing as a Soph.
Cort, Meda, QR and ET all hit walls and spent at least one year at the same level as a previous year. They also all improved within 1 year of Sark/Holt taking over. QR the first year but stagnating for the next two and the rest all taking a leap Jr years and then leveling out this year. It’s hard to tell if the coaching is not doing it or the players are just at their ceilings. I tend to think it’s both, but the one common thread between those guys is that they’re all pre-Sark guys. If the fanbase wasn’t about to wreck shit, I’d love for Holt to have another year to have his own upper class men and see if they really all didn’t improve.
Footballscoop.com
Is reporting Holt and Mills are fired. Where do we go from here?
by B Money on Dec 30, 2011 12:22 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Not his players?
To say that Nick should get one more year because the seniors were not his players does not make sense and had me rolling on the ground. The sophomores, juniors and freshman were his players and there a lot of teams out there that have small senior classes that played way way better then are defense did. I realize we had a small junior class but it still does not give us an excuse to have one of the worst defenses in all of collage football. How many players improved over that last three years, I can only think of one and that would be Cort. The question is how bad would firing him right now hurt this recruiting class, i think it would hurt a little bit but if we could get a replacement in pretty quick I don’t think it would set us back to far plus we don’t have that many good recruits on the defensive side right now anyways. I think we should make a run at Mike Stoops, Sark and him seemed to have a pretty good relationship and if were not able to get him there has to be a up in comer excited at the chance to coach in the Pac 12.
FatDawg
We need an adult at DC. Mike Stoops is my first choice but anyone with some accountability is an improvement.
Is Mike Stoops still available?
Χάρις
by MichiganDawgFan on Dec 30, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
I understand from a buddy
who lives in Oklahoma that brother Bob is bringing Mike back to be D Coordinator at OK. Unconfirmed but part of the rumor mill in the Sooner State.
On that we are in agreement
I posted a similar comment at AtQ.
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
Mike Stoops? MIKE STOOPS!
Mike Stoops? MIKE STOOPS! …No, no, no… god NO! …(Adult?!?).
by GlendaleDawg on Dec 31, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions

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