Grading the Game - Washington State
The Huskies showed a lot of emotion in yesterdays Apple Cup win over Washington State. They were a completely different team than they were last week against Oregon State. Credit all the coaches and players for coming together and making it happen.
Quarterback - Keith Price was as flawless as a banged up guy could be hitting in 21 of 29 pass attempts including three touchdowns and no interceptions. It would be really interesting to see what he could do with some mobility. Perhaps we get that chance in either San Antonio or San Diego? Grade - A
Running Backs - Chris Polk turned in a great game against a Coug defense that was basically set up to stop him all night. Chris picked up 100 yards on 22 carries. Jessie Callier provided excellent spark out of the wildcat picking up 44 yards on four carries. Grade A
Receivers - Pretty interesting how Kasen Williams and Austin Seferian- Jenkins have grown over the last part of the season. Both have become big time targets. Jermaine had a nice evening and had only one drop that I noticed. Chris Polk continues to receive well out of the backfield which screams NFL ready. Grade A
Offensive Line - Washington won the game but these guys are still struggling. They are not sustaining their blocks long enough to spring Chris Polk for long ones or give Price the protection he deserves. You can blame it all on youth but Kelemete hasn't been exactly grading out well. He has been beaten badly numerous times over the last half of the season. - Grade C Plus
Defensive Line - I wished these guys had played with this type of intensity last week. They came in fired up and did a pretty good job until they let down in the second quarter. That let down allowed the Cougs to tie the game at 14. They regrouped after that and feasted on Lobster the rest of the evening. Five sacks really says it all. Josh Shirley had his best game as a Husky even though he tends to take some plays off. Ta'amu was magnificent. Thompson saved one of his best games for last too. Grade B Plus
Linebackers - Cort Dennison had his usual solid game. How many times have I written that over the last four years? We are all going to really miss this kid. Timu and Fuimaono had a great bounce back game after the nightmare of last weekend. You could tell the coaches had been working with them on their tackling. Fui had four tackles for loss! Grade B Plus
Secondary - Q Richardson silently had his best game of the season participating in seven tackles. Sean Parker is really starting to assert himself at safety. He had a nice interception off of a tipped ball. Hard to believe the Huskies only came up with one because the "Lobster" was handing out his Christmas gifts early. Grade B Plus
Special Teams - Folk missed a FG in the first half and continues to slump. He made up for it by hitting a 46 yarder in the fourth quarter. The punting was superb as usual. I think we will miss having two NFL quality punters on the roster next season. Coverage was decent and even though the Huskies didn't break anything in the return game they didn't make any major mistakes either. The blocked punt that was returned for a TD was a first during the Sarkisian era. Grade A
Coaching - The much (and unfairly) maligned Nick Holt did a great job preparing his team for this game. These kids could have easily mailed it in or even turned in a worse performance than last week but they didn't. They came out on the field fired up and prepared. They tackled and executed better than they have in weeks. Hats off to the defensive coaches and the senior leadership of players like Cort Dennison. It was definitely a solid team effort.
A number of you including myself think Sark is way too pass happy. That just may be the case but before making that statement watch the play of the offensive line closely. These guys aren't getting the job done and that makes it really hard to run the ball 35 times per game. If the Huskies don't have the arm and leadership of Keith Price they don't win the game. Grade A
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i thought they would run more early
but the o-line makes that pretty difficult at times. i would never say that this offense is pass happy, 30 pass attempts compared to 29 rushing attempts is about at even as it gets. i do question some of the 3 and short (anything 3 yds and in) passes but if you have no faith in your o-line then what can you do? overall, i thought it was a great game for the offensive skill guys and an ok game up front. defensively, it was the fastest i have seen them play all year, esp. early. they were FLYING around but slowed down a bit in the 2nd quarter, only to come out in the 2nd half playing fast again. a couple of missed sacks and some missed coverages are discouraging but overall a very good effort compared to what we are used too. i still think holt should be on the hot seat. one game doesnt change that but it was a step in the right direction. fingers crossed for the alamo bowl!
It is never the number..
It is the timing of the play calls. When everyone knows we have to run we have problems.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
that is a great point
leading sark to call pass plays on 3rd and short which is tells the whole story about how our o-line is playing right now. they have digressed this season. i would say that cozzetto is right there with holt on the hot seat.
It's a mystery.
Just have to take the O line’s temperature for a game to see if you get the decent line or the crappy line. Polk for 189 against Utah and 144 against Stanford then nothing against hapless OSU and WSU.
by Skeptical Dawg on Nov 27, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
polk did reach 100 rushing and some 35 passing (i think that was the stat??)
i know it was late and mostly on draw plays but they ran the clock when they had too. overall, this o-line has gotten worse during the season. even senio is getting beat on double moves and speed rushes…he is a senior, that shouldnt happen.
Solid game against
a undermanned, yet gamely foe. Great effort by the Dawgs, especially by the defense. Nice to see a real pass rush. The OL obviously misses Tanigawa, both in run blocking and pass protection. Nick Wood plays like a matador, swinging his cape (or tripping) opponents as they blast by. Perhaps that is why Kelemete had such a sorry game (2 holding calls among other problems)? Perhaps bowl game preparation will allow time to convert Kohler to LG and prepare Hatchie to play RT. Either Hatchie or Riva has got to be better than Wood.
Congratulations, Husky players and coaches.
Nick Wood plays like a matador
That is actually being kind…one thing about Nick…he has given 110% since since he arrived.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
Snark? 110% of nothing is still nothing. Either way, I laughed.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 8:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
You don't get it at all Steen
It isn’t Wood’s fault that Ty-Willie gave him a Pac 10 scholarship when he probably only possessed WAC or Big Sky talent.
Despite that he made the best of his time at Washington, earned a degree, and was definitely a contributor during his time as a Husky. Not every kid can say that by the way.
I am a big fan of the unheralded kids who bring their lunchbox to work everyday for five years. Cutting down a kid like that is just reprehensible. Wood was never going to be a star but he made the players around him better by having a good attitude and strong work ethic.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
You called him a matador.
I was just asking if you were intentionally being snarky or not. I don’t think you can chastise me after what you said about the kid.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 9:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I repeated what was said in the immediately previous post...
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
As Absolute And Concise As Anything I've Ever Read! Pure Apple Cup Goodness!
I’d like to add… after watching the wally-world-ish ride of this season, I’m already seeing a huge concern that is a “Groundhog Day” defensive nightmare…the black hole that will be where Cort Dennison is? We all saw the hell that is the seemingly endless “rebuilding” process on Defense in general..and at linebacker in particular When we saw Donald Butler leave for the NFL and then, Mason Foster go..I for one figured we were finally going to be turning the proverbial corner of the “process” with Cort and Co. Not only did they do the annual preseason “overhype” of the D which, turned out to be a fiction…but, I’m trying to see how they plan to handle the absense of #31 Mr.Fix-it himself? Do they really plan to “coach up” the current roster? Maybe they can address that issue with extra weeks and practices? Here’s to hope! Time to climb!
I'm not too worried about MLB. I think Tutogi has a chance to be pretty stout. He's a playmaker.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Tutogi and Finau
Those guys will fight it out for the job this spring.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Why do you say unfairly maligned?
Not that I disagree…I was just curious to hear from someone more in the know than I am.
by anupam on Nov 27, 2011 8:48 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I am a firm believer...
…that great players make great coaches and that Coach Holt doesn’t have enough great players at this point on his side of the ball.
I realize that many will disagree and that is fine…but I haven’t made a final determination on Nick Holt.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Watch out John!
Lear would suggest you are not playing with enough bullets. Coaches are only as good as the people who surround them, whether it be assistant coaches or players.
All I saw was purple
I respect Lear's opinion...
He is probably right too but I just happen to be a little more patient.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Holt is also responsible for recruiting those players, though . . .
and yes I realize that takes time, but three years in we’re seeing more progress on offense than defense . . .
We need to upgrade both sides of the line, starting w/ recruiting.
by HuskyInExile on Nov 27, 2011 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
It totally disagree
These guys are trying to build a defense that can defend teams with the speed of Oregon. That means recruiting safeties and turning them into linebackers…that takes time in the weight room but it yields pretty good results in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th year.
Give the LB’s the time they need to grow into their positions.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 28, 2011 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
I thought that was Sark?
Isn’t Sark the main recruiter for the Huskies? I keep being told that Holt isn’t the big recruiting guy – it’s Sark and the assistants.
Where was that defense all year? Especially last week???
That was a great game, it was good to see the team pull it together and play up to their potential. Now we can focus on a bowl game and heading into another off season on a positive note.
Sorry John, but Nick Holt is FAIRLY maligned, this was one of the worst defenses in the history of the program, even last nights stats aren’t pretty. I give Holt full credit, his defense played much, much, much better yesterday, but it also makes me ask why they haven’t been playing like that more often. It shows us that the defense is capable of being better, but Holt hasn’t been able to get them to play anywhere near their capabilities.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
The first two series of the game the defense played like they were, dare i say it, competent.
But it didn’t last long. If Sark has to gut the entire defensive coaching staff, I dont care, change must happen. At the bare minimum Holt needs to go.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 8:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
They were gassed by the second quarter...
…and the Cougs came back with 14 points.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
Gassed by the second quarter?
What in the Hell is going on if the defense got gassed a quarter of the way through the game? Something is seriously wrong if that’s the case.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 9:06 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Obviously you've never played
You don’t think it’s impossible to be winded before halftime? Early on the defense played with a lot of excitement, burning a lot of energy, which would probably have something to do with WSU’s 2 first half TDs. Young teams who play with a lot of excitement will or can have a tendency to burn their energy reserves rather quickly. We got into the lockerrom, got a good blow, and only allowed 7 points in the entire 2nd half. I think it’s obvious that you’ve never played, because apparently you just don’t get it.
All I saw was purple
by crazidawg on Nov 27, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
And you'd be wrong. Can i assume the rest of your reply is equally well thought out?
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 1:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes you can
Another thing you are forgetting is the thought that WSU under Wulff is a no huddle offense. Not nearly as no huddle as Oregon, but still no huddle = limited ability to catch one’s breath before you are expected to give it everything you’ve got.
All I saw was purple
No huddle does not equal uptempo.
Didn’t we go over this earlier in the season?
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 27, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Don't let facts get in the way of a good excuse.
See: Holt, Nick.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 8:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
only rotated seven people on the line
sione and laga didn’t play.
talia only a couple reps.
easy to get gassed when this occurs.
I have to agree...
…but it seems like the intensity lessened considerably which allowed the Lobster to drive his team down the field.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
John
you have watched enough of these types of games to have seen the pattern before. Team comes out full of fire. Gets jacked up by a miracle play, like a blocked kick. But no human can maintain that level forever, because adrenaline does not last that long. The other guys settle down a bit, remember, they have good players too, and the game evens out. Opponent hits a couple plays, and bingo close game again. If the defense was out of gas, they would have continued the slide the rest of the gamer, but they did not.
You are doomed
to be disappointed. Holt is not going anywhere.
if you are correct . . .
I am doomed to at least another season of piss poor defense.
I will be really curious to see if Sark makes any changes to the staff. That being said, I won’t be surprised if there aren’t any changes, but I will be disappointed.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
by Lear Pilot on Nov 27, 2011 9:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
i doo like his doo....
What if he “experimented” more with it? Like a purple “doo rag” or “fez”?(and purple shades) “Mix things up a little”….
by gliderdawg on Nov 27, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wish I could rec this a thousand times.
I’m considering making more accounts just to do it.
by huskies2010 on Nov 27, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Probably
you will get that either way. No matter who the DC is, there are still some fairly glaring holes in the defense. I do think they will be marginally improved.
I really don't care if Lear like coach Holt
What matters is that a bunch of talented true freshmen and redshirt freshmen want him as their coach.
All I saw was purple
You know that how??
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
You are absolutely right ... I don't
But it doesn’t matter what the hell Steen or Lear think about coach Holt. What matters is how our defensive players feel about their coach. I myself have had serious issues with our defense, but I have to keep reminding myself that the majority of the secondary a freshmen at some capacity, mostly freshmen at OLB, and mostly freshmen at DE.
Translation: we need to continue to recruit more bullets AND we need to develope the young talented bullets on defense.
All I saw was purple
Dennison has been very supportive of Holt publicly...
…and he claims his teammates love him too. Who knows, that may just be well-rehearsed PR, but take it FWIW.
That's not entirely true
It does matter how much the kids like him and whether he has the locker room, but his ability to produce matters more. And in that Lear et al have more of a ‘right’ argument, but ultimately how good the team is is going to dictate Holt’s success or failure.
Lear - you are scapegoating...
… improving production out of the DE position instantly improves our pass rush, our rush D along the perimeter and our pass coverage. If Shirley and Hudson grow up a little and get competent support from Jamora and Crichton, they maybe we have something. Then the question is “what young guys will step in to the rotation?”. It’s still a thin position talent-wise – doesn’t matter how good a coach you are.
(yes, yes … I know it is the staff’s job to recruit. DE is the toughest position to recruit for and we’ve been playing from behind since that ugly Pulu incident).
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Not that I agree with Lear,
but there are plenty of Holt Hater’s out there and you can hear them at the games, even yesterday. I don’t think he’s going anywhere and I hope we get off to a good start next year so the Holt Haters can shut up and give some noise to help the defense instead of waste their time yelling at the coach.
"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis
by Carne Guisada on Nov 27, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
I'd give my first born child . . .
to have the Husky defense (under Nick Holt) get off to a good start. It hasn’t happened in three years, why do we think it’s going to happen in year four when we lose our two best defensive players?
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. See: Nick Holt.
For the record: I’d give up my first born, an arm and a leg, and anything else I could offer to be wrong about the future of our defense under Holt.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Was that the LSU with JaMarcus Russell
Just trying to remember. I think it was the year after. In any case, playing good D against LSU isn’t the special thing; their offense has never been great. It’s the playing good O against them that’s tough.
That being said, Washington played LSU hard for a while in that game, IIRC. It was a good omen for the program.
Jefferson
… and we rolled 478 on them.
our defense was superficially good in that game
If you only look at the total yardage for LSU (321), you might think we played good defense that day. We didn’t. LSU got that 321 yards in only 23:08 of possession and just 48 plays (for a 6.7 yard average per play).
That was at best an OK defensive performance.
It was an uneven performance
Looking at the drives is kinda odd. Either LSU went for a long drive of 60+ yards or they went 3 and out. The only drive that didn’t go that way was a 46 yard drive that fumbled.
But the fact was that the Huskies were in the game for a very good chunk of it and LSU was a good (not great like they are this year, but good) opponent. That looked to me like they were well on their way, quickly.
I think that is unfair
to your first born. As for the rest, with or without anesthetic?
Depends
Good defense = I want anesthetic.
1991 caliber defense = I’ll cut them off myself without anesthetic.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Maybe by year five...
we can expect something resembling the mid-2000’s USC defenses. I’m not sure we can expect the 1991 defense to be our standard defense. Even coach James only had that defense once, although he had quite a few good ones.
Right now we need more depth, with bigger/stronger/faster line, seasoned linebackers, and better speed on the corners. I think we will take a big step next year.
I think the biggest difference between you and I (besides the airplanes we fly) is that I have more faith in Sark to make the right decision and from everything I have seen, Sark trusts the scheme and overall game plan that Holt has been employing.
Hopefully none of us has to give up a pitot tube to get much better next year! We definitely will need to see tangible results on the field next year, as we will have plenty of “Sark’s guys” playing AND experienced next year.
"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis
by Carne Guisada on Nov 27, 2011 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
You really thinks thats possible?
Because I find it hard to see Holt managing even competent defense w/o Pete’s help and SC’s athletes. Frankly, I find your expectation to be close to insane. What has he ever shown you to hold that view?
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 8:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Insane?
What’s insane is those who think that he and the entire rest of the coaching staff has made it through their careers and were able to make people like Pete Carroll and Steve Sarkisian think they know how to coach a defense when in reality they are paid not to have a clue what they are doing. It doesn’t matter if you have USC’s athletes if you can’t get them in the right spots…see USC’s 2010 defense.
"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis
by Carne Guisada on Nov 27, 2011 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
I dont know if youre talking at me.
But ive never claimed to be able to out coach the revered Nick Holt. I’m judging on results, the historically awful results. Why should we have to choose, It would seem that Holt doesn’t have SC athletes and he can’t get them in position.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 11:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I hate that argument
Kent Baer didn’t just get “stupid” over night. Phil Fulmer didn’t just “forget” how to coach. Name the coach with 20+ years of experience and add the line “he didn’t just forget how to coach”.
I don’t care if it’s Bobby Bowden, if you aren’t getting the job done, I don’t care who you are, how long you’ve been doing it or who hired you away from the NFL back in the day, PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
This sounds a lot like the BS about people not being positive enough under Ty.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 5:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
thats not BS, thats called
social grace.
Social grace?!?
I wish you were joking. It’s a damn FB game not a tea social. There is nothing wrong with booing. It’s ridiculous to bring up social grace in a situation involving a drunk crowd and modern day blood sport. As for Holt, He’s getting paid very very well to hear the booing surgery its deserved its not
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 5:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
you can do what you want...you paid your ticket..
just know the rest of us are cringing.
Cringe at what?
The fact that others aren’t happy to quietly sit there and condone the shitty product they’re being forced to endure?
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 7:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
avoiding booing our own team does not imply accepting poor play
or coaching; there are much better ways to criticize than booing in public.
You wanna make an impression?
> get a LOT of people, most especially alumni boosters, to write to the AD . . . .
by HuskyInExile on Nov 27, 2011 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
Social grace, huh??
Yep, you are right, we should have been more graceful and given Willingham 5 more years to prove himself.
It’s no wonder our defense sucks, they are too busy being nice and graceful instead of ripping heads off.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Maybe wrong word...
but there was no reason to boo the coaches in the Apple Cup:
6 sacks, 11 TFL, 1 INT, 3 FF, 21 Pts Against and stopping them from scoring a ticky tacky touchdown in a WIN!
NW nice got us more Ty.
I firmly believe ‘NW nice’ (and some misplaced guilt) got us 2 more years of Ty. There is no shame in wanting to win, its a zero sum game, someone has to lose. I don’t want to be that guy, it seems to me, in the last 15 years too many were willing to lose and not cause problems. The damage Ty and Todd did was directly enabled by this attitude.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 8:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
When you boo,
you are booing the players. If you don’t like the coaches, don’t show up to the game. The AD will figure out the problem eventually.
"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis
by Carne Guisada on Nov 27, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
What is wrong with Booing players?
A good number of the players in the last decade quit midway through game and showed to all the games soft and out of shape. They obviously didn’t care, why should they be above hearing it?
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 8:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
They are adults. This is big business.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 8:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
they are students
Sorry you don’t get it, but classy behavior does seem to be a declining phenomenon.
by kirkd on Nov 27, 2011 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
They're not getting paid to entertain you.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 27, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention, watching the best college athletes in the country play is a privilege.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 27, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
If that is the standard, the privilege has been few and far between.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 9:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What, you think only UW has athletes?
The other schools have athletes too, and they bring them when they visit the UW. Also, I was speaking of college athletes in general, not specifically of UW athletes, or just football players only, either.
You’d have a point if you were talking about the pro’s, but not college football. The pro’s are paid to entertain you. Not college athletes, thus, it is a privilege. It’s not a standard or anything of the sort, only a privilege.
If I may say so, this post from you makes you sound like an ingrate.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 27, 2011 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Makes me sound...? If you want to say something, say it.
Saying that I’m an ingrate implies I should be grateful for something. Why don’t you connect the dots for me?
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 10:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I already said what I wanted to say.
It was only ever just an observation.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 27, 2011 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
thanks for fighting the good fight
lots of us agree that booing college players is very bad form, and don’t want to see it at our stadium.
OTOH, I can can get behind booing officials now and then ,. . .
by HuskyInExile on Nov 27, 2011 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed OlyDawg...
… and like. I would suggest coach Holt was the most disappointed person in the defensive meeting room this year. Their are some things we need to clean up, like angle of pursuit, learing to trust your teammate. Maybe we installed too many schemes on defense, where our kids were over thinking their assignments. And let’s not forget about the youth that some delusional Husky fans tend to forget. Our D Ends are both redshirt freshmen and are not physically matured for the postion yet. Our OLB are both true freshmen and their backups are redshirt freshmen. And the only upper classmen in the secondary are Trufant and Richardson. If Holt had defense, where the personnel were mostly upper classmen, the stats would tell an entirely different story.
All I saw was purple
I'm so glad to hear he was disappointed too!
Seen as how he cares so much, why don’t we just make him the head coach! Caring is all that really matters.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
As kirkd's fan post said . . .
most fans have very short memories. It’s amazing how one game can make it seem like Holt might not be so bad. Unfortunately, the “plane” has been in a nose dive for awhile and it’s too late to pull up!
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Next thing you'll tell how hard he works...
…that he’s a nice guy, and has a good personality. Do you have a giant rolodex to dial up excuses each week for Holt? Maybe for the bowl game you’ll tell us they had too many practices between now and then and its hard to coach that much between games.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 5:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Give it a rest
We won that damn game, we finished the season with a winning record, we are going to a bowl game for the 2nd consectuive season. Just keep firing coaches and see where that leads us. We’ve done it since Lambo and it’s time to allow a staff to work out the problems.
All I saw was purple
Holt has had three years.
I’m quite pleased with the outcome of this season. That being said, I don’t want this program to be average, I want to play for PAC-12 championships, and one day, maybe even a National title. We all know that DEFENSE wins championships (that’s coming from a guy who prefers high scoring offenses), without Pete Carroll pulling his strings and without elite talent, Holt will never get this defense to a point that will enable us to win championships.
Those are the facts, to quote SuperCanuck: Deal With it.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
This is not a fact.
Holt will never get this defense to a point that will enable us to win championships.
it might be true, but it still isn’t a fact. I think this is what annoys me. I’m not even saying you are wrong. Its just not a fact. I get that your mind if made up, but reasonable people can still disagree. You guys seem to trot this out like they are foregone conclusions and maybe time will prove you to be prescient but there isn’t enough to go on (at least for the rest of us).
It's an accurate assesment with the available data.
I’ll bet anyone that wants wager 1k that we never have an elite defense under Holt. You can choose the metric (yards, points, etc) We can debate semantics, but the reality is that Holt isn’t very good. But, Ty was amazingly awful, and people managed to support him while he murdered the program. So it shouldn’t be surprising…
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 8:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
of course he's awful
That’s why he’s never been fired, and had two head coaches pursue him on multiple occasions, including a guy considered quite the defensive guru (Pete Carroll). Obviously they know nothing.
Never fired?!?! Rethink that argument.
Holt had 5 wins over 2 seasons at Idaho, saying he wasn’t fired is extremely misleading. The only reason he wasn’t fired is that Idaho was horrid, and desperate. As far as SC, the savant that is PC also started Aaron Corp…so if you want to appeal to authority, there’s that to contend with. And, Idaho was happy being
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 11:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
he wasn't fired at Idaho - that's a fact
And what does Carroll starting Aaron Corp when Barkley was injured have to do with his defensive acumen? You’re reaching…
Holt was never fired at Idaho
He left to take higher paying job in the NFL…he then went back to SC to become the DC.
Saying he was fired is totally misleading.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 28, 2011 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
Where did anyone say he was fired? I certainly didn't.
Pointing out how that he was never fired as proof of his coaching acumen rings hollow when you dig just a bit deeper.
Holt had 5 wins over 2 seasons at Idaho, saying he wasn’t fired is extremely misleading.
You basically did though.
No, I didn't.
Th implication of saying he wasn’t fired is that it gives the impression that he was a success every where he went. His record at Idaho is much more measured than that.
I’ll bet anyone that wants wager 1k that we never have an elite defense under Holt. You can choose the metric (yards, points, etc) We can debate semantics, but the reality is that Holt isn’t very good.
Your whole argument breaks down because you don’t possibly have enough insight to say how much of it is Sarkisian’s fault for not recruiting better or hiring better assistants, how much of it is Holt’s fault for not being a good coach, how much of it is the assistant coaches faults for not being good teachers, and how much of it is a talent issue.
You simply don’t know. There’s no way for you (or really, any fan) to know. A comparison with Willingham is entirely apples to oranges, because Willingham was the guy that was absolutely in charge of all aspects. So why not call for Sarkisian’s head instead? It’s his staff. It’s his team.
And you might think you know how much of his results at USC were due to talent and Pete Carroll, but you really don’t. USC’s D dropped off the edge of a cliff in 2009 (relative to where they’d been), and the only thing that changed was Holt leaving. I’m certainly not giving him all the credit for USC’s success, nor am I saying that he’s a good coach. But at the very least I’m willing to acknowledge that there’s conflicting data both at USC and at Washington.
You’re simply taking an incomplete picture – really, just a snapshot – and forming a knee-jerk conclusion. It might be right, but that doesn’t mean that you are. It just means you got lucky.
That isnt analogous.
Position coaches and coordinators get fired all the time w/o causing a downturn in stability. You’re worried about stability but using HC as the example, it doesn’t follow.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 9:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Are you ever happy with any performance?
We are on an upward trend as a team. 5-7, 6-6, 7-5 in Sark’s 3 years. We are improving, give the your whole dog and pony show a rest for a least a week.
Not to defend Steen
he seems to be the new version of Norm, but do you want to be average or do you want to win championships? The Defense has shown ZERO improvement in 3 years, if we want to win championships we need to replace the majority of the defensive staff.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
He is working with what he has this year
Last year we saw how when he has the tools he needs, he can get the job done, just look at the back half of the year last year. Q-Rich has been a bust this year, we are starting 2 brand new LBs, Alameda has been relatively disappointing, we lost what some would say our best pass rusher is in Jamora for the year early on, etc etc.
I agree the unit probably could have performed better this year, but he is dealing with the hand he has. Not enough to fire him over in my opinion.
Thanks, Lear?
That’s kinda dicky. Norm never says anything positive, ever. I’m far from that. I don’t see things as glass half full, which I admit. I’m a pessimist, that silly rationalizations and excuses don’t placate. I want to win, and evidently unlike some here, I’m tired if getting linked on national TV every year.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 8:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You aren't close to norm ... And your opinion is valued
But the two of you have beaten this dead horse past its terminal point. We get it. You two want Holt fired because you believe that he is not a good coach. I’m sure there are others who feel it to. There are other things to discuss and trade barbs on. I for one would like to discuss our strategy for taking on Oklahoma in the Alamo bowl if that comes to fruition
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Jesus, that possibility sounds unappealing.
Oklahoma won’t be unmotivated and Jones won’t be injured like Martinez was.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 9:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I for one would like to discuss our strategy for taking on Oklahoma in the Alamo bowl if that comes to fruition
My strategy will start with prayer!!
Last PAC-12 Rose Bowl winner not named USC....Washington
by DAWGFATHER91 on Nov 27, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Strategies for Oklahoma . . .
1 – Duck and cover.
2 – Run and hide.
3 – Pray.
4 – B.O.H.I.C.A.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
by Lear Pilot on Nov 27, 2011 9:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Are there any rules that require the DC fired if the other team hits 70?
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 9:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I chuckled a little at this
Last PAC-12 Rose Bowl winner not named USC....Washington
by DAWGFATHER91 on Nov 27, 2011 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
I must have missed the thread when this was explained
4 – B.O.H.I.C.A.
???
Last PAC-12 Rose Bowl winner not named USC....Washington
by DAWGFATHER91 on Nov 27, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
B end
O ver
H ere
I t
C omes
A gain
BOHICA
by Skeptical Dawg on Nov 27, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Hahaha
I thought for sure the H was for Holt, couldn’t make out the rest. Good to know
Last PAC-12 Rose Bowl winner not named USC....Washington
by DAWGFATHER91 on Nov 27, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Bending Over
backwards is a good sign. Its when you ask them to bend over and the first thing they do is grab their ankles is when you have problems.
Ignoring the bowl, and extra practices...
5 wins versus 7 wins is pretty much the same thing if we are trying to discern the state of the program. When its that close, how they’re playing and how the season went is a more lmportant indicator of things, imo.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 8:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You're probably right.
Sark fire him, but 1 or 2 years too late. Enjoy your extra however many seasons of getting drubbed everytime we face a good team. With the occasional national TV massacre versus the ducks, really proud to be a Husky watching that the last 10 years, btw. Congrats.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 6:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
A couple points...
1. The defense did show there potential last night, they were fired up and it showed, that being said it is a rivalry game they should be jacked up going into that game.
2. They are still a young defense in positions that get exposed more than others, defensive end and oustide linbacker are where it happens the most, and that affects the secondary in both the run and pass.
3. IMHO I think that they have alot of potential, especially if the young guys stop thinking too much and worrying about their assignments and start reacting. If and when they do that, the intensity will start to come through in how they are playing.
Perhaps
they did play to their capabilities. They just were not very good.
The youngsters on the D line
looked pretty good to me yesterday. The bowl practices will be a great help to get them ready for next season. I think we are getting the pieces put together for a better D than we’ve seen in a few years.
Keeping thing Positive....I agree about the D line!
Also, figure on the developement of what I think will be major puzzle pieces going into the bowl game and next season; Josh Shirley showed up and showed many moments of what “can be” with more coaching and good food? ( 245-250lbs!) Jamora at 100%! no need to say anymore. Parker is showing his pedigree as a star in the making! Secondary is looking to take a big step towards being a strength rather than a puppy mill! (I hope!) Huge improvements can and will need to take place at Linebacker! D line must get busy to deal with NO ALAMEDA! Some big time opportunities for competition and playing time there! “Got Recruiting”? Let’s watch for recruiting to really get juices flowing into bowl season! We NEED THE BIG BOYS FROM THE WASHINGTON SCHOOLS! SARK MUST MEND THE FENCE! NOW GO WIN A BOWLGAME!
That was the most notable difference from the play of any unit yesterday.
While the team’s overall intensity was clearly better, the DL stood out. They got a good push all night. Even against a weak Coug OL, we had them on their heels on most pass protections. To me, their play is the key to the success of our D – QB pressure contributes to secondary play, and the ability to win the LOS battle frees up LB’s in run support.
On Shirley, he did look to be playing more aggressively, but he seems quick to bite on the inside stuff in the run game. I saw him lose contain on a few plays last night. With more experience and coaching, he’ll fix that. Plus more time in the weight room, he’s going to be special.
Awesome job by Nick Holt and the Defense...
7-5 – Alamo Bowl vs KState.
Last night really looked like the defense made strides.
I wouldn't mind the Vegas Bowl
matching up w/ Boise State. K State is a yawn fest matchup.
All I saw was purple
we don't want anything to do with Boise St. That is a no-win proposition.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
I would like to douce some of the BSU flame
They cry for fairness, yet everybody from a BCS league thinks their schedule is not worthy. I would like to be that team to kill that argument once and for all.
All I saw was purple
Playing Boise State in a bowl game . . .
would end the debate on Holt very quickly. Kellen Moore and Chris Peterson would put up 100 points on us.
Nick Holt’s motto for the defense: B.O.H.I.C.A.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Douse with what?
Blood from the giant bloodletting they’d inflict on us? Id love to see the world through your eyes….Holy Jupiter.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 8:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Especially on defense, I see a much better level of athlete across the board.
And, we don’t do very well when we don’t have the athletic advantage….so yeah i’d prefer the 2007 squad.
O line issues
I think one reason we might being having issues in pass protection might have something to do with youth and opposing front schemes. I’ve noticed in the last few games of the season, more and more teams are stunting D linemen and LBs at our O line. I think we can handle picking up the blitz, but are we having problems with stunts? WSU’s Long stunted from his end postion all the way to the A gap and came in almost untouched. It may be a line call that we just aren’t picking up. Regardless, I think we have a very good O line coming back next season and they have plenty of time to work out some issues.
All I saw was purple
agreed
also noticed some zone blitzes out there they gave the young tackle trouble. stunts not being picked up is all about communication. now, i dont know if they are a zone or man blocking team upfront on passing downs but you have to incorporate both if you want to be successful.
I love that Husky Lineman in the Photo! He is "thinking"...
And he’s thinking what I’m thinking….“That bitch….she looks like a fire hydrant”
There is no story...I agree but
There is a reason…I believe Sark/Sankey just didn’t push any buttons politically so to speak. Took a classy,high road approach and didn’t need to do anything to escalate any “venom”… Wise in my opinion. Could you imagine the comments and feelings had they pushed Sankey out there with all of the emotions running so high? What if he was hurt? Sark was smart to not play him in this case. Read the comments on youtube by some cougar fans out there still doing a Ted Bundy on him for being “a traitor” etc.! They’re really bitter on youtube to the point where I can see a strategy of letting things settle down a little…Bishop is going to be a special player!
Are you joking?
There is no way that Sark wouldn’t play a player just because the other team’s fan base doesn’t like him. If Sark didn’t play Sankey for the reasons you suggest he should be fired right now. Sankey didn’t play because Chris Polk is a stud and Jesse Callier is our best back up, Sark thought they gave us the best chance to win.
Condotta noted that rotations were tightened in multiple positions this week.
I don’t think there is anything more than that.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
That's a better explanation for sure!
I feel better now…thanks!
Solid game all around by every unit.
Sorry to all the Holt Haters, but it seems very unlikely that Holt will be relieved of his duties, and not just because of the performance yesterday. The defense had to replace 2 huge players that were the heart of the defense with a freshman and a sophomore. We beat up a bad offensive line, but 7 sacks is still 7. Hopefully this is something our young edge rushers can really build upon for the future.
That excuse is viable every season.
You’ll always be replacing players. By that logic you would never replace a coach.
by Steen on Nov 27, 2011 5:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
in a healthy program...
…you’re not replacing stud Seniors with inexperienced 1st & 2nd year players.
Welcome to the Kasen era.
Officially “launched” last night.
hey, KirkD, did you see what I did there? pretty clever, eh?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
very nice
well done, on more than one level . . .
by HuskyInExile on Nov 27, 2011 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
Kasen Williams hurdles Nolan Washington.

by supercanuck on Nov 27, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
I honestly don't deserve credit..
that should go to Rattlehead on Dawgman and the other random places I find stuff. I’m just really good at thieving and cross posting.
I thought that could only be done in video games.
Who knew that it could actually be done in real life too!
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Don't forget
the Long Jump and the Triple Jump. The guy is a freak of nature.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
desktop background picture...
i want that blown up and in a frame!
If you guys want to have some fun, go check out Bruins Nation.
they are in full scale nuclear melt-down as the curse of the Gekko continues to reign. a year and a half later and they still have yet to unban me. Now they get the pleasure of having their suckiness flaunted for all the world to snigger at.
Oh, and they all hate Rick now … which is ironic since that was why I got banned.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Nov 27, 2011 11:59 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I already have sent my email to
chancellor@ucla.edu congratulating them on their Pac-12 South Championship and an overall job well done and as someone who knows someone who sent to school at UCLA, I think they should keep both Rick and Dan!
by supercanuck on Nov 27, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
For exactly what offense were you banned?
H*ll, there are (LOTs of) Husky fans that have probably said & written terrible things about Slick Rick, and UCLA fans are already experiencing the joys of living w/ Rick even now . . .
by HuskyInExile on Nov 27, 2011 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
They deleted all my posts
and all I said was that the quacks would have an asterisk by their first pac-12 title since they got beat by the real south division champ USC on their own field. So yeah, those guys seem like a bunch of d-bags.
by Skeptical Dawg on Nov 27, 2011 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
they don't tolerate anything that remotely takes the threads away from the preferred group think mode.
… they eat their own, too.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Great article
What you stated about Sarkisian is very true. He is WAY TOO pass happy! But yesterday he had to be. Washington ST was blowing up our O line, Polk had no running room til late in the game. Wazzou played to stop Chris Polk. He still managed 100 yards and had some good receptions, one for a td. Keith was perfect for much of the second half. He had a great game, that’s the Keith we’ve been missing. I felt like we left points on the board though, Fellner should have had a pick on the end zone as well which turned out to be a wazzou td.
The defense was good. Shirley made some bad plays off the edge where he was out of position on run plays to the edge. Besides that though he had a good game rushing the passer. Where was this all year? Ta’amu had his best game of the season. He was dominating inside. Great game all around! Even got a special teams td.
Sark and Holt both called great games. It was much needed for Husky nation. Winning cures all.
very true.
Shirley made some bad plays off the edge where he was out of position on run plays to the edge. Besides that though he had a good game rushing the passer.
I’m still very bullish on this young man. check out his interview on Bob’s blog. he’s a well spoken young man with the right attitude. I expect him to really develop his body this offseason and come back out ready to lock down one end spot next season.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Another 20 lbs this offense,
and Shirley will be a force on the edge. Hopefully Hauli Jamora will be able to get bigger/stronger/faster while he is rehabbing as well.
"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis
by Carne Guisada on Nov 27, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
he gained 35 lbs of ripped muscle in one summer and an attitude to go with it...(name that movie!)
all kidding aside, with spring and summer he could get 15 lbs on of good muscle. they say he is one of the strongest kids on the team already.
He needs 20 lbs and...
….and he needs to keep hustling once the play goes past him.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully he got an earful on the sidelines for that.
"The same thing that will make you laugh will make you cry." Ray Lewis
by Carne Guisada on Nov 27, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Grade Inflation or Tough Grading?
Agree with you on some, disagree on others…
QB – You say: A. I say: A+. Never was Price’s presence more apparent than when Montana came in for three plays in the third quarter. I swear, you could feel the tension in the air…WSU had pulled to within a TD and out goes Price. For a few minutes there it felt like the game was slipping away. Back comes Price, confidence restored. Just having a hint of his mobility saved us from a number of sacks. Can’t begin to tell you how excited I am to see him back there for two more years.
RB – You say: A. I say: A+. As much I’d love to see this monster for another season, I hope Polk goes to The League and makes a ton of money before his body says “no mas” with his physical running style. Thanks Chris…you and Napoleon are my two all-time favorite RBs.
Receivers – You say: A. I say: Kasen and Polk: A+. Everyone else: C. I remember 3 drops, all of which hit their targets in both hands. How? ASJ stumbles over his own feet when he should have had 6 after the catch. Gotta’ do better.
O-Line – You say: C+. I say: D. Shameful play. Two holding calls on Senio. Polk avoiding would be tacklers three yards behind the line all night. Price having to move around on two gimpy knees just to stay alive. What the eff is Cozetto doing?
D-Line – You say: B+. I say: C. Ta’amu was a beast…he was three yards or more into the backfield all night, and Thompson played the best game I’ve seen from him. But that was WSU out there, and the Lobster threw for 344 yards, much of the time with little or no pressure, and a stable of no-name running backs still finding too many lanes too many times.
LB – You say: B+. I say: Cort: A+. Fui: A. Timu: F. I look at Cort and every game reminds me of John Fiala…I hope Cort gets his NFL shot like Fiala did, and made the best of. Fui looks like he’s got a solid future…now go put on 25 pounds and you’ll be a beast. Timu? That dude is reaching the quickly approaching Chris Massey/Le-Lo Lang stratosphere for heartburn caused.
DBs – You say: B+. I say: C-. Parker played his best game of the season…that kid is going to be a MAN next year. Trufant was solid. But JB, were we watching the same Quinton? The kid is brutal. Chris Massey brutal. He was playing 12-14 yards off the receiver all night…the only reason he wasn’t toasted repeatedly was that crazy cushion he had to give. And that botched fumble recovery? Just fall on the &$%#@ ball instead of trying to pick the &%$#@ thing up!!!
Special Teams – You say A. I say: B. Rasp will soooo be missed next year. I’ll give the punt and kick-off teams an A, I give Tutogi an A+ (loved that kickoff return almost as much as the blocked punt). But what in the world happened to Folk? Hooking the field goal was a huge gaffe, and his kickoffs continue to have zero depth. I hope they take a long look at Alex Wood from Mercer Island…the kid can punt and placekick…I officiated two of his games this year and not only watched him bury a 47 yard FG, but blast every kickoff out of the end zone. The BOOM when he kicks off is crazy, especially for a kid who can’t weigh more than 150 pounds, tops.
Coaching – You say: A. I say: B-. Kudos for the bounce-back from Oregon St. But shoot, a toss-sweep on 3rd and 1 on the opening series? Special credit to Holt…he’s taking knives to gun-fights this year and doing what he can. But I sure wish Sark would hand over the play calling.
by Purple Reign 91 on Nov 27, 2011 12:33 PM PST reply actions
Richardson
Still…that was one of his better games…
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Q
The only reason he didn’t get lit up was because he was he playing a half-mile off the line. I hate to think that qualifies him for a good game
by Purple Reign 91 on Nov 27, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately yes...
For Q….this season…that was a good game.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Fui had several tackles for loss ...
… and Q made several plays on either side of that lousy fumble recovery attempt (including an athletic batted pass over MQW in that fourth quarter). he’s the ultimate hit-or-miss player. I like how John graded those. Timu? you might have a point there.
On the coaching – I agree with a B. Franky, that fly sweep bugged the crap out of me and, on top of that, we (once again) elected to receive after winning the toss. For a team that is not normally in a position to take games over early, it is a tactical disadvantage to not defer.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
electing to receive...
…to me is a tacit admission that you don’t have confidence in your defense. I’d like to see Sark start to defer – put pressure on your defense to go out there and force the opponent to punt on their first series.
Wow
you use one example of a poor play call to go to a B-? Pretty tough. Out of the 60 or so plays, how many were bad calls? What would they need to do for an A? They had the kids ready to play, adjusted the sub patterns to tighten down the number of players, came up with a great punt block early, held the WSU rushing to very little, harassed the QB all day, which they had not done all year, moved Tamu into a couple new alignments, got by with Wood at guard, and made WSU pay for stacking the box to stop Polk.
All year long I have read guys complain about making adjustments, lack of creativity, crappy game plans etc. Time to give credit, for once, that was a well coached game.
by OlyDawgFan on Nov 27, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
O-Line....What is Coz doing?
He is playing with three second year players…pretty simple when you think about it. Senio hasn’t looked great lately but he has mostly been guilty of trying to help out Wood over the last six quarters.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 12:51 PM PST reply actions
I'm a little worred about OT next year
Hopefully Hatchie makes some notable progress and either Kohler improves his footwork or someone else (Charles?) can step up and fill the other spot. Obviously Kohler has had his issues on pass-blocking this year, and Hatchie hasn’t been an improvement when he’s been in. With Kelemete leaving, we really need a couple guys to make some major gains in the off-season.
There really doesn't seem to be a genuine tackle on the roster right now.
I’m really surprised with Kohler. Maybe I’m remembering his recruitment incorrectly, but I thought his footwork and agility was one of his strengths?
Makes me wonder a little bit if he’s not totally healthy.
Not seeing it
It’s the same line as last year that ran over WSU..other than Habben (ugh) and Tolar. Don’t tell me Tolar was a difference maker
by Purple Reign 91 on Nov 27, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
the unit that will "evolve" the most year to year is the o-line.
… this is just a fact that we all have to get used to as does every other team. Let’s see how Porter and Kohler look as Juniors. There is tremendous room to grow.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Do not forget
we were also missing the left guard, whose replacement was not nearly as good. I think you need to factor in what WSU was doing as well. They wanted to be sure Polk did not go off this year.
Visiting Recruits
John, any feedback from your sources about this weeks visitors? Kind of ballsy I thought of Castro taking an official visit, but I guess that is how the game is played.
Castro...
…reportedly made a tweet last night about how sold he is on Oregon.
No visit reports posted yet that I’ve seen.
It's hard enough to recruit against the So Cal schools....
But now with Oregon’s emergence, we have competition for all the warm weather kids who are willing to go to a cold weather school, along with stiff competition for local kids.
have to hope the NCAA does their job and hammers Oregon
Because otherwise, they’re going to be a giant pain in the ass to deal with for a long time.
I strongly suspect folks that want Oregon to get hammered are going to be disappointed
While it’s likely Oregon’s going to face some measure of probation the chances are that even at worst, it’ll be somewhat minor.
There was no institutional hiding of facts; all of the data was available to everyone publicly from the get-go.
There was no clear rule about using services like Lyles or what he can and cannot provide. Oregon can reasonably claim ignorance here as things were not ironed out. (LSU can too for exactly this issue)
There was no improper benefits.
There was no failure to self-report.
There’s been no sign of lying to the NCAA.
And ultimately, there’s no clear evidence that Lyles actually helped much.
While it’s a violation it’s not a violation of improper benefits, which the NCAA hates more than anything. It’s not a failure to report, which is what got Tressel fired. It’s not hiding facts.
Put it another way: Miami – which had the guy paying kids for multiple years and buying abortions for strippers that they had bought for the players – did not receive anything on an institutional level. Some of the kids were suspended. This is probably not at the same level as that.
And no, I’m not happy about the Lyles stuff either. It pisses me off that Kelly started this way. I understand why he did it but he should have known better than to get into bed with a douche like Lyles and it is shameful. In a perfect world Miami would get a death penalty, Oregon would get a 1-year suspension and Tressel et al would be fine and still coaching. But that’s not the NCAA.
suffice it to say...
…I think you’re viewing this through extremely green-tinted glasses. I’m not going to bother at this point to get into the point by point debate, but the rules were clear and the violations of said rules also very clear.
What’s up in the air is how the NCAA – notorious for being extremely inconsistent in their punishment rulings – decides to handle these violations.
I'm not saying that violations didn't happen
I’m just saying that the failure to report/institutionalized issues is not clearly there. And those are the ones that tend to cause death penalties. THat, and improper benefits when people knew about it and didn’t report.
Chances are that since Oregon hasn’t had a record of this sort of thing (unlike Ohio State), there is no failure to report (unlike Ohio State/Miami) and it was largely public knowledge that things aren’t going to be too horrible. I could be wrong, and I’m willing to accept that – if you screw around with improper recruiting you get the punishment that happens.
But players weren’t paid as far as we know. At no time were people confused about what was happening or not reporting the proper thing; the compliance officer always knew. Just going from the NCAA’s prior record – which I admit is fraught with peril since they’re about as consistent as badly cooked grits – that Oregon is likely not to be destroyed utterly and it’s unlikely that Kelly is going to lose his job.
That's possible
But I don’t see it as likely. Again, unless it gets shown that Kelly was actively trying to cover anything up the public record has him going to his compliance officer, running everything through them, public notes of his stuff going on, etc. He’s never gone on record as denying anything here either.
Doesn’t mean he didn’t do those things, mind you, or that he wasn’t misleading the compliance officer and going behind their back – just that so far, the record is pretty much in the ‘he thought what he was doing was right’. And given that another big-time program did the same thing, it’s tough to argue that he’s entirely wrong here.
Ultimately I think that the NCAA tends to be mostly okay with first-time offenses where there was legitimately issue to refute rules, especially if there is any wiggle room in the NCAA rulebook (see: Cecil Newton). It’s possible and wouldn’t be hugely surprising to me if Kelly did break rules trying to get guys from Texas, and if they find that he’ll probably get canned. Just given what we’ve seen of the facts, I find that real unlikely to happen as Kelly being involved in a rule breaking is not the same thing (or the same penalty) as Kelly covering up a rule breaking.
cover up?
You mean like finding out from a reporter that your involvement with Willie Lyles is about to become a national story and then desperately contacting Lyles to have him quick send some scouting material to try to justify the money you authorized paying him? That doesn’t look fishy at all?
It does
But that’s not covering things up all that much. He didn’t cover up the relationship with Lyles, or the $25k that was spent. All of that was not only acknowledged it was a matter of university public record. The data that Oregon did get from Lyles was also revealed – and the same crap was sent to LSU as well.
This isn’t the same as stating for the record that Kelly had no knowledge of something when he absolutely did, as what happened with Tressel. Or trying to deny that Lyles was paid, etc. Or having coaches with knowledge of payment to players multiple times and not reporting, like what happened with the USC issue (though that was stupidly overblown no matter what).
Like I said, I’m totally willing to believe that this was a recruiting violation. I’m totally willing to believe that Kelly broke the rules along with the rest of Oregon’s staff. But breaking the rules once in the NCAA when no money went to kids, the NCAA wasn’t lied to and the program is cooperating is not likely to produce severe sanctions. It’s possible. It’s just not the slam-dunk case that I think a lot of people think it is.
Damn
That is two big recruiting weekends and no verbals – come on Sark!
by lorenzothedog on Nov 27, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
single "woof"
Usually his commit woofs are in triplicate. Maybe someone committed, or maybe it was just a game-day, Apple Cup woof.
he does use the single woof in non-recruiting tweets ...
… but he ALWAYS explains why when he does. When the WOOF is alone, it has always been for recruiting. However, I couldn’t find any other single WOOF tweet. We are truly in uncharted territory. This is some Chip Kelly bullshit right there.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Nov 27, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I second that
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Nov 27, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Not a thing as of this afternoon....
…typically we really don’t find out anything until the kids return home from the trip which is usually later on Sunday might.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 27, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
DB's Hands
Do they play defense because they cannot catch a football? How many interceptions have been dropped this year? Is Dougherty coaching them up?
lots of bat-downs
I don’t know if our guys simply don’t have confidence they can pick the ball off and play conservatively to just knock the ball down, but you’re right – they frequently settle for a bat-down rather than battling to pick it off.
Hopefully Martin & Mills run a lot of catching drills with their guys this Spring & Fall.
First of all, about the Apple cup
I enjoyed the game atmosphere yesterday in its entirety, myself and 7 family members were all there from 1pm tailgating right in front of the stadium until kickoff, that’s when I had the worst moment of my day. Not sure how many entrances there are into the game but I seemed to pass about 3 on my way to the only one that seemed to be open. We must have been in line for about 15 minutes with no direction to an opening at the end of the gate where there was an opening. Not sure how I feel about the first game at the CLINK but, it is what it is. So, we finally get into the game and to my surprise it is already UW 7 WSU 0 so now I am a little less upset, now watching the game I loved how our D played for most of the game, I read that they moved Meda to the 3 tech for this game having him lineup over guard instead of center, and MAN, where was that all year? Meda was a FF’n beast all game long, it took Cort to hit him in the head without his helmet for WSU to have an answer. And Shirley looked really fast yesterday heading up field, a little wild, but very fast. I’ve been Holt all year, yes he had a good game, but for me it’s more of a question to why did it take so long to get this kind of play, or is it simply the quality of opponent? Anyway, i’m not going to be a negative Nancy after that great game yesterday, something to build off of for the bowl game, thrilled to have my family at the game and for my daughter to experience her first AC with a win. GO DAWGS!!
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Great Question
I read that they moved Meda to the 3 tech for this game having him lineup over guard instead of center, and MAN, where was that all year? Meda was a FF’n beast all game long, it took Cort to hit him in the head without his helmet for WSU to have an answer. And Shirley looked really fast yesterday heading up field, a little wild, but very fast. I’ve been Holt all year, yes he had a good game, but for me it’s more of a question to why did it take so long to get this kind of play
I’m with you 100% and I don’t want to be a negative nancy either, but why did it take 12 games before we started moving Ta’amu around??? Sure would have been nice last week!
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
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Replying to Dawgfather91
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Shelton
Danny Shelton finally emerged is what happened. He is getting more and more experience and the coaching staff finally felt that they had someone who could play the NT position at a good enough level that allowed Tamu to move over. Simple as that.
I find that as a poor excuse to wait
There are many other capable guys they can put next to Meda, to wait for Shelton until the last game of the year to move him over a gap and a half is pretty lame reasoning if it’s true. Not only that, but they had some creative stunts on the line as well I hadn’t seen, in some cases Meda was coming off the end and bull dozing the tackle. But to wait until the final game of the regular season to move Meda around a bit, is maybe the worst decision based on the performance, that Holt (or Dline coach) has made all year.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Nov 27, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
"There are many other capable guys they can put next to Meda"
I disagree completely with this. They do not have anyone else right now who can play NT to allow Tamu to slide over to the 3 Tech Spot. Look at our roster, there is no one. The only person who could is Laurence Laf but he did not play at all yesterday and has played sparingly all year. Thus he is not a viable option in my opinion.
Maybe they could have made the switch for last weeks game, that may be a fair criticism but to say where was this all year is unfair. The fact is Shelton has come on the last 3 weeks which allowed them to make a change in the middle
They could have used a rotation
That consisted of Potoae, Laga and ET, along with Shelton and when Tokolahi became healthy they could have expanded that rotation. To say they don’t have people to put next to Meda is absurd imo. But to sit and wait on a true freshman ALL year is risky, to mix things up like they did on Saturday and not to have tried it earlier then now is a lack of creativity on the Dline coach and Holt. And who says they have to play at NT, it’s not like they have to put Meda over the guard every time but just simply change up the look every now and then, lack of creativity is my main concern with this staff, Saturday they happened to show me something, I hope it wasn’t a onetime thing.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Nov 27, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
The question that was asked
was why did the staff wait so long to move Tamu to the 3 Tech spot?
None of the guys that you suggested that could be rotated in can take on the 2 blockers that are NECESSARY for someone to play NT effectively which frees up the 3 Tech spot. Because Shelton has grown over the past year he is able to take on the 2 blockers thus allowing Tamu to go one v one on the guard. Again at this time no one else is able or commands that much attention.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Nov 27, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Not a problem
I will say this I need to see our dline play well against Olines that are good. Aka the USC, Stanford, Oregons of the world. Dominating the Cougs does not prove anything for me.
Agreed
I’m pretty sure that was the best I’d seen them play all year live. I plan on re-watching the game tonight and only watching the D-line when they are on the field. But yes, this was WSU and they have had as many sacks given up as us coming into the game I think. So it’s really a statement of the competition, but it still looked impressive while watching it.
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Nov 27, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Let me know what you find
I has pretty liquored up from tailgating so I could have been off but yes they were very impressive against the Cougs. Lets hope it is a sign of things to come.
I will report my findings!
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Nov 27, 2011 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Just not true on an every down basis
… But, to be fair, Meda has lined up on the outside of the guard many times this year. He simply can’t do that, though, when ET slips inside which, I think we all would agree, is when we have had the best chance of mounting a pass rush (at least until Danny emerged)
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Ta'amu played the 3-tech most of the game against Stanford.
And he’s played it off and on when Shelton or Lagafuina are in the game all season.
Shelton
Danny Shelton finally emerged is what happened. He is getting more and more experience and the coaching staff finally felt that they had someone who could play the NT position at a good enough level that allowed Tamu to move over. Simple as that.
That's it
I’m going to watch the game again as soon as I get home from work!
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Nov 27, 2011 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
He'll be lined up on the right end. I think it was the middle of the 4th quarter.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 27, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the info
and WTF!! I can’t wait to see this, I must have been in the urinal when it happened!!!
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Nov 27, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
He did it earlier as well.
And they stacked Shirley and Thompson on the same side a few times, too. Shirley was way, way, WAY outside the tackle.
I wasn't on the game thread from yesterday...
But was just reading it, some of those comments had me in tears from laughter! Great stuff.
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For instance, some of my favs:
Cort just tried to murder our best player.
by Steen on Nov 26, 2011 5:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
CATCH THAT BALL FELLNER
by Will Kier on Nov 26, 2011 5:36 PM PST reply actions
Knock it away, at least. He needs to get his priorities straight.
by Hawnk on Nov 26, 2011 5:37 PM PST
No pass rush. Soft coverage. You know, the usual…
by Hawnk on Nov 26, 2011 5:47 PM PST
3rd down report: stopped:
26, 18, 7
choked:
5, 9, 9, 14, 2
by Skeptical Dawg on Nov 26, 2011 6:04 PM PST reply actions
and that is an improvement
by lorenzothedog on Nov 26, 2011 6:07 PM PST
OMG 3 and outs are real?
by Skeptical Dawg on Nov 26, 2011 6:35 PM PST
Wazzu has a really fat kicker. He’s almost Janikowski fat.
by SacramentoSeahawk on Nov 26, 2011 6:45 PM PST
FOR CHRIST’S SAKE QRICH YOU CAN’T EVEN PICK UP A FUMBLE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU
by huskies2010 on Nov 26, 2011 7:04 PM PST
LOOK AT HIM I HATE HIM SO MUCH
by huskies2010 on Nov 26, 2011 7:05 PM PST
Sack Holt needs a 7 year contract extension
I respect your opinion even though it’s wrong.
by SSreporters on Nov 26, 2011 7:27 PM PST reply actions
That’s not funny. “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”
“Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington”
by Lear Pilot on Nov 26, 2011 7:53 PM PST
which Bowl are we projected for?
by Will Kier on Nov 26, 2011 7:35 PM PST reply actions
Alamo
by Skeptical Dawg on Nov 26, 2011 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
if Oregon and Stanford win, that is.
by Skeptical Dawg on Nov 26, 2011 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
If it’s Baylor We should just forfeit the game.
I respect your opinion even though it’s wrong.
by SSreporters on Nov 26, 2011 7:38 PM PST
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by DAWGFATHER91 on Nov 27, 2011 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
It looks like the Holiday Bowl for your team.
Good luck and represent the Pac-12.
Welcome my son, Welcome to Machine. The Electric Eye is watching.
by Eyeofthebeholder on Nov 28, 2011 3:49 AM PST up reply actions
interesting. most believe it is the Alamo with Stanford and Oregon going to BCS bowls. You disagree?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
stanford is 4th in the bcs rankings
guaranteeing them a bcs bowl at large bid. which means, hopefully, alamo for UW!!
last year everyone was saying how the holiday bowl hates taking teams twice in a row when they were kind of forced to take nebraska…that might play into it
I would rather have the Holiday or Sun
We don’t want to play Oklahoma or Oklahoma State….just saying.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 28, 2011 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
i'd rather play oklahoma than k-state...
if oklahoma loses to ok-state, we could witness another holiday bowl-like upset over a ranked team. they would not be 100% up (i imagine) after having such a disappointing year and losing to their in-state rival the last week of the season. either way, i want respect, and respect is earned! give me the best they got!
Pretty funny stuff
We have the best Husky game thread in the business.
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by John Berkowitz on Nov 28, 2011 7:47 AM PST up reply actions

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