UW at USC: Post Mortem (Jedi edition)
by Gekko Mojo on Nov 13, 2011 6:17 AM PST
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Another painful day for Huskyville as the Trojans used special teams and defense to thoroughly dismantle, deflate and embarrass our football team. I'm not sure that this loss was as painful as any games against the likes of Oregon, Stanford, Nebraska and Arizona over the last two years, but it does continue an alarming trend of this team simply getting blown out when things start to not go well. I'm not going to make any sweeping judgments, but the ability of our boys to stay in a game and compete is still an open question, despite our youth (a plague that, by the way, affects many of the teams that have blown us out including Oregon and USC).
Some other thoughts while we wait for JB's grades.
- The O-Line is bad. I'm not talking about a young team that is showing signs of improving. I'm talking about flat out stink level. Our best blocker, Senio Kelemete, spent more time on his ass than on his feet and seemed completely flummoxed by the superior ends that he was facing in Nick Perry and Wes Horton. The right side is a complete disaster and the inability of Drew Schaefer to make calls at the line is a problem that needs to get righted. This unit has been run blocking much better that pass blocking throughout the year. The problem is that good D's are going to shut down the run once in a while - what do we do then?
- O-Line and injured knees aside, Keith Price is clearly regressing. He has happy feet and is doing the same kind of pee-pee dance that we saw so many times out of Jake Locker. He's clearly lost faith in his O-Line, he hasn't broken out of his bad habit of locking in on receivers, and he isn't looking for his wideouts. He also is not recognizing where pressure is coming from nor does he possess the arm strength to make the throws that punish blitzing Ds. The league has figured him out and I'm not sure he has a counter move up his sleeve.
- The D is playing well enough for us to win. They've come a long way. We are getting much better play out of the interior D-line and the corners as of late. In addition, the DE's showed up yesterday (at least a little) and I'd even go so far as to say that our OLBs have gone from a major weakness to an emerging strength. Princeton Fuiamono was great yesterday and Jamal Kearse also had a few nice moments. Take out the Kickoff TD, and the fake punt, and the D really only gave up 24 points and held Matt Barkley to less that 200 yards passing. There were three long runs making up ~140 yards surrendered, two of which simply burned big blitzes. Given our need to create pressure, these plays are something we have to live with.
- Penalties. I read somewhere that one third of our offensive plays ran in the first half were penalized. That's absurd and, while some of it is on the continued horrible reffing, much is on the QB and C not having control of the line of scrimmage.
- For those of you that want to defend Keith's play due to the horrible O-Line and the frequency of blitzing, I'd like to give you the case of Connor Halliday. If you watched WSU upset ASU last night, then you know that Connor went off despite rabid blitzing that constantly broke down the pocket. Connor threw for almost 500 yards despite not entering the game until the second quarter. He was outstanding. He did a nice job (for a RS Frosh) of both seeing where the pressure was coming from and then, to his benefit, utilizing his above average arm strength to sling the ball downfield where the open spots were. He also resisted the urge to go right to his check downs. Keith will never be able to go deep like Connor can if he can't wind up. Because of this, a competent O-Line is a requirement if we want production out of Keith. Otherwise, the Stanford, Oregon, Arizona and USC strategies of constant and sell-out blitzing will endure and be effective.
- The zebras. Don't worry, refs. Hell has a special hotel for the especially damned.
- I didn't think he was going to be able to do it a few weeks ago and now it is clear that Chris Polk will most likely not capture Napolean Kaufman's career rushing record this year. He still has roughly 500 yards to go with three games to play. Not impossible, but not looking great given the status of the O-Line and the fact that we are probably going to be breaking in one if not two new starters next week.
- Special shout out to Austin Seferian-Jenkins. He was great yesterday.
- Special gaffe out to Kevin Smith and the rest of the special teams units. Time to pull your heads out of your collective arses. Please.
- By the way, Oregon dominated Stanford last night in a game that looked exactly like our game against Oregon. Stanford stepped up the defense in the first quarter and then broke down under the pressure of another stellar LaMichael James effort. Oregon built up a double digit lead in the second quarter and basically never let it go. Their pass rush on Luck was relentless and featured some really interesting zone blitzes that must have confused the hell out Andrew Luck and his o-line. Oregon is the class of the Pac 12 and it is not even close. USC and Stanford get clear footing on that second tier with the rest of us milling around in the middle. Oregon gets USC next week in what is the last interesting game of the PAC season. Stanford plays the Big Game vs Cal which I'm officially calling out as an upset alert.
- Kudos to TCU for reminding us that Boise St is great, but overrated. Also, note for pollsters, why is Texas still ranked in any way shape or form?
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KP & Texas
You know, I think I like Keith Price. Who doesn’t? But I’m with you, Gekko Mojo – KP just does not have all the skills and abilities that many have projected onto him. A better than average quarterback? You bet! But that is about as far as I can go for him, even though I really do think that I like that young man.
Texas football gets all the same type of optimism that KP has been getting. It just ain’t right, yet there it is. Just another thing that provides proof of how stupid people can be.
by The Dude 4 Real on Nov 13, 2011 6:53 AM PST reply actions
I’m gonna disagree here. I like KP and think there is a lot more here than his inadequacies. Our OL is a wreck and he gets hit pretty much every time he throws and our WR aren’t getting much / any separation. I’ll say also that Sarks play calling / design has been pretty bad. In my mind, everytime KP drops back to throw it should start with a well executed fake to Polk.
one other thing I forgot to mention
… and that was that lame ass trick play on the first possession.
First of all, there is never a good reason for us to not defer until the second half when we win the toss.
Second of all, a trick play on the first play is something that every team prepares for. It is cliche and it never works.
That stuff is on Sark.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
by Gekko Mojo on Nov 13, 2011 6:57 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
2 of 13!?
Wow, that pretty much says it all: 2 of 13 on 3rd down attempts. No F’ing way a team can ever win a football ball if they can only convert on 15% of their 3rd downs. Behind this is indeed that total lack of a running game yesterday – 46 total yards… ouch! And then a passing game that never had a chance to make any difference.
The continued lack of development on the OL., can not be blamed on the players. Okay, our OL is kind of young, and so is just about every other team’s. Our guys are not sunstantail smaller, weaker or dumber. So what is left? You got it – coaching!
by The Dude 4 Real on Nov 13, 2011 6:59 AM PST reply actions
I can't type!
“substantially” – there it is
by The Dude 4 Real on Nov 13, 2011 7:02 AM PST up reply actions
our guys are substantially less quick...
… but, yes, the coaching around both recognition and footwork has to be questioned. Senio tripped over his own feet at least twice yesterday and he’s the most polished guy we have.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
There Are Drills For That
Yep, the footwork is hideous. One of my buddies is a former center and team captain from a darned good D-2 program, and he cringes while watch our OL. There is a lot that the coaches can do to fix the foot-work problems. Can not help but wonder if anything at all is being done?
This OL is just not developing as they shoud, not even close.
by The Dude 4 Real on Nov 13, 2011 7:29 AM PST up reply actions
Yep, I've been saying for weeks
the Husky OL and other elements of the team’s offense, defense and special teams are suffering from lack of effective coaching. USC’s entire starting LB corps was made up of freshmen who I’m certain have measurably improved throughout the season. Other young teams (Oregon, WSU, OSU) are vastly improved from earlier in the season.
UW, conversely, has not kept up and in some cases, regressed. And don’t think for a moment the Dawg’s OL problems have escaped the watchful eyes of prospects such as Garnett and Banner.
by Saltherring on Nov 13, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oregon I'll give you.
But WSU and OSU? Neither one of those teams has done anything other than flash a good game and then follow it up with a clunker. WSU just won their first game in their last 6, and OSU is on a 3-game losing streak while giving up nearly 300 rushing yards per game (and only gaining about 30).
Thanks for the post!
I agree with everything you’re saying about KP. For me, though I think the biggest issues for him right now are mental. He is getting rattled and that is magnifying his physical issues, which he could otherwise mitigate.
I am also getting very tired of watching him get visibly annoyed at his teammates when there is a penalty or a dropped pass. Those things are hugely frustrating and have killed this team the last two games but he needs to be a leader. He needs to always show confidence in his troops but I don’t see that right now, which gets back to my point about the mental aspect of the game.
And now, for my very elaborate and college-educated plan!'
All that aside I now understand clearly
why Sark has kept KP in games even when he’s basically using a walker. Montana is not the QB of the future and has even less of an arm than KP. Some of those throws against USC third stringers were awful.
And now, for my very elaborate and college-educated plan!'
on Montana
Given that he’s just a 2nd year player, I’ll give him a bit of a pass. But yeah, I think it’s clear why Price is starting ahead of him. Nick doesn’t display a lot of arm strength and isn’t yet showing the kind of savvy his dad did that enabled him to overcome his physical limitations.
I want him to do well, but I could see a future where he gets passed up by Brown, Lindquist & Miles.
For sure he's young and will improve.
I just don’t see enough arm strength at all. What I’ve seen of Linquist’s arm says to me that he will leap right past Montana.
And now, for my very elaborate and college-educated plan!'
Our D has improved?
Does that mean we went from really really bad – to really bad? We gave up 426 total yards – 40 points – 252 rushing yards – created no turnovers and had 1 sack. From a statistical point of view I do not see much improvement. Maybe some individual improvement but as a unit I would say very little.
that's a narrow view
We were very effective in Pass D which was a combination of good coverage and decent pressure. Of the 252 rushing yards, 140 came on three plays – 2 of which were sell-outs designed to mount a pass rush. We guessed wrong and got burned. its not like they were chewing up yardage against our base and manhandling us. Your eyes should have told you that. It was completely different than what happened at USC.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Narrow view?
Our pass D was so good that we had to “mount a pass rush” that allowed two long runs plus how many pass interference penalties did we have? 140 yards of rushing does not count because they were long runs?
You are right if I excluded all of that we looked great – what was I thinking – we should only count the plays in our base defense and the Stanford game is the base game that we judge our D by. I stand corrected compared to the Stanford game we are better thank you for opening my “eyes” but maybe Stanford is a better offensive team that USC. Stanford has 9th rated offense in country and USC 28th ranked offense maybe that had something to do with our improved D.
by lorenzothedog on Nov 13, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure I get the point you are making ...
… and I’m not claiming we have a good D. I said improving.
All teams blitz and all teams get burned on it. Look at Stanford vs. Oregon last night. They gave up three “to the house” plays all of them on blitzes. Does their D suck because of it, or did they just get outmaneuvered?
I can handle being outmaneuvered. We do have to blitz if we want to generate consistent pressure. That is who we are. If we were getting annihilated in our base like we did against Stanford, then I’d say that we were not improving. That didn’t happen.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
I agree with Gekko
The D has been much better the last 2-3 games. What the stats don’t tell you is how our inept contributed nothing to that game.
I see better pursuit, quicker responses, harder tackling, and overall better intensity from the D
as compared to last season. Were they anywhere near dominant? No. But they are better in many phases over the beginning of the year. That said, they are in no way capable of carrying a whole game. They are too young and undersized. They needed the offense to step up the last two weeks. If that had happened I believe this defense would’ve given us a shot.
Note that all this is from a guy who was saying “Fire Holt” after the opening section of game 3. Maybe I’m just too reactionary overall.
And now, for my very elaborate and college-educated plan!'
+1 For Lorenzo The Dog
Did not see the “improvements” you did, Gekko Mojo. You can go back to all the blow-outs, and take away 3-5 big plays, and then claim that our D did “better”.
The D is not improving either. Could not care less how 252 running yards, 462 total yards, and 40 offensive points were piled up against us…… Fire Holt!!
by The Dude 4 Real on Nov 13, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
the defense wasn't the big problem yesterday
While the defense didn’t play great yesterday, the stats are a bit skewed because of the ineptness of our offense and some poor special teams play. of the 40 we gave up, 7 were due to special teams (kickoff return for TD), 2 were due to the offense (safety) and 14 more were heavily influenced by the special teams and offense (fake punt, having to kick after the safety).
If we’d shown any kind of offense yesterday, that was a game we could have won in a shootout like last year.
Agreed.
The defense is showing signs of improvement over the beginning of the year. The problem is that our defense was sooooo bad that even with some improvement, they are not going to win a game for us. Without a high scoring offense we aren’t going to win many games.
The next two weeks are going to be extremely critical for the off season. If you lose to EITHER OSU or WSU, it’s going to look very bad going into the offseason. So far Sark has done a great job of ending the season with positive momentum, leaving us fans pleased with the previous season. If we lose either of the next two games, we lose that positive spin going into the offseason, we lose recruiting momentum, and we lose our blind trust in the coaches.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"blind trust"
I wouldn’t say that I have blind trust in the coaches. I’m happy in general with Sark, and grateful for the major strides forward this program has taken since the Willingham error. That said, I’m not convinced Sark has the best coaching staff in place – at some point he’s going to need to re-assess how much he values recruiting ability vs. coaching ability, because I think there are too many guys good at the former and not so good at the latter.
Sark himself has room to grow. I think he’s capable of it, but he’s learning on the job. That’s what we get for letting the program bottom-out and having to roll the dice on a promising (but unproven) assistant.
Holt gets another year IMO, but by the end of the 2012 season we’d better see some real hope for the future on defense, or Sark is going to have to think really hard about whether he’s getting all he can defensively from his team.
As you say, two winnable games the next two weeks. Neither will be a cakewalk – winning on the road is not a gimme for this team, so even though Oregon State is really down this year, our guys will have to play a good game to ensure the win.
And the Apple Cup is looming as a real shoot-out. Cougs looked dead, but Connor Halliday has given them reason for hope again. Against our pass-defense, you can’t feel too comfortable. I would think our offense should get well against both the Beavers and Cougs, but the kids have to prove it on the field.
Time for this program to re-gain some momentum, finish 8-4 (which would be better than most figured entering the season) and hope for a fun bowl game as we hit the stretch run of a very important recruiting season.
Blind trust
I was trying to find a better description of what I meant, your first paragraph sums it up quite well. The past two years we have gone into the off season on a high note and have had no reason to question if the coaching staff should stay in tact.
I completely agree with your assessment that we need to re-evaluate recruiting ability vs. coaching ability of our assistants. Ideally each position coach gets re-evaluated and probably make a few changes. There are too many positions with experienced players and those players have not shown enough improvement.
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
Overall Potential
I’m generally an optimistic – a cautious one. Earlier in the season, I thought this team was realistically capable of 8 -4, ideally 9 -3, and 7 – 5 worse case scenario. Now, 6 – 6 looks like a real possibility.
Also, I concur with the comments about this team regressing in so many ways. Once they became bowl-eligible, did they check out mentally and emotionally? What are the coaches doing to prepare the team for games, who’s calling the plays, where are the in-game adjustments, is the talent level that much lower than the top four PAC-12 programs, how big a hole did Tyrone B. Horn-eye really leave the program in, etc.?
In hindsight, the only ranked team the Huskies effectively competed against was Nebraska and that was early on. Since then, as teams generally mature, progress, and stabilize, the team has tanked against Sanford & Son, Nike H.S., and USC. What gives?
I thought we competed pretty well against Oregon on the defensive side...
… and, again, against USC. We aren’t good enough on that side of the ball yet. We need our Offense to win us games and, right now, the formula of our opponents to is to blitz/hit Price because they’ve come to learn that he can’t burn them for doing so.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
The D
Agree: the D was decent against Nike High; and not too bad against SC. But, on the O side, why can’t KP adjust/learn to “burn” them for the blitz? How about a flare to a RB, bubble screen to a WR, or quick slant to a TE? He’s being mentored by a former D-1 All American QB and OC during the recent SC glory years. But, I believe KP can be more than adequate IF he’s given some time and protection. At the moment, he’s getting neither and that falls squarely on the OL and its coach. From my perspective, of all the Husky FB team units, the OL has suffered the most regression and/or has only recently had its inadequacies exposed.
by Golfhoncho on Nov 13, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I see Keith getting time and still making bad plays
It’s not the O-line. It is him, he knows it. You don’t see his smile anymore during games? Few smiles at best. Dude is playing scared, with a stick up his ass. Basically I mean he is not relaxed. The O-line gave him protection on some plays and he still missed passes. On a third down he had Kearse wide open on a slant, he underthrew a 8 yard slant pass and Kearse being Kearse dropped it anyway, but it was low. He also had a td open when we settled for a FG and missed that wideout. Dude is scared. Time to bring in Montana now before we lsoe to OSU and WSU.
by datboyeddiep on Nov 13, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I agree that KP is rattled.
But the part that really bums me out is that Montana does not look like the answer at all.
And now, for my very elaborate and college-educated plan!'
I know Montana isn't the answer.
I’m just pissed off at Price. Montana could get better. I want KP to play better. Let’s go Huskies.
by datboyeddiep on Nov 14, 2011 7:42 AM PST up reply actions
if you were thinking
9-3 or 8-4 you were marking these finally two games as wins. They should still be wins getting us 8-4. Blowouts against the best teams we played. Yes! But I will be very happy with 8-4.
I will be extatic with 8-4
I hope we don’t go 6-6.
by datboyeddiep on Nov 14, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
I saw all of those plays
but SC stuffed them. Not sure why KP cant learn to burn, but I clearly remember similar discussions about Locker. I think once a QB gets knocked around enough, it is very difficult. It may be that, much like Jake, KP will never learn it, because by the time his OL gets decent, he will be too gun shy. The urge to flee will become too strong.
Love it love it love it Gekko
Great post man. I have the same thoughts about a lot of it.
KP: not getting it done whatsoever. I really think it is that the league, conference, has figured him out. He does not have a strong arm and this game he only checked down. We wanted him to check down when there was no protection instead of taking a sack, not on every play! Time to give Montana the nod. I just don’t think KP is an elite QB even though he came out of the gate on fire. Hopefully he proves me wrong but watching this kid play is like pulling teeth!
I also agree that the D stepped up yet again. Any fire Sarkisian comments or articles going to flare up soon? Just playing of course but, Holt deserves more credit. His D put together two winning performances and our offense ruined them.
Why the hell did we get away from Polk? This guy can carry the ball 30 times plus every game and we just are not giving him the ball. Too much passing for Keith Price. I guess part of it was because every damn first down we were penalized for stupid motion or false starts. Poor performance by the O.
The receivers yet again dropped too many passes. kevin Smith is not a receiver, we need to find him something better to do. Kearse, stop throwing this guy the ball. I’m so tired of him dropping passes and people protecting him. He is a stone handed sorry receiver! Kasen Williams, bad mf! Give this guy the ball please. ASJ, give this guy the ball please. All I should see is Polk, Kasen, and Jenkins getting the ball! Kearse didn’t even block worth a damn this game. Him and Aguillar whiffed on so many blocks my head hurts!
Why do I hate Pac-12 officials. They show me every Saturday! Did Jenkins catch the damn ball or what? What is a catch? What is a tackle? Why is my team penalized every other play for the entire game? Ask those sorry ass zebras! Zebra clowns!
I live in Austin, Tx and I have no clue why Texas is ranked. Freaking clueless. Probably because of the Pac-12 officiating crew!
Thank God Boise St lost and I don’t have to hear about why they deserve playing in BCS bowls despite playing my Grandmother’s Sunday afternoon Canasta team!
This is soooot true
The zebras. Don’t worry, refs. Hell has a special hotel for the especially damned.
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Nov 13, 2011 10:31 AM PST reply actions
The Zebras
Sitting among hundreds of Trojan fans at the game and they were apologizing for the refs. That catch was clearly a catch and they were all shocked by the outcome. The refs on the field are bad, but clearly the officials in the booth are worse.
I sat 8 rows behind the UW bench and knew the outcome before the kickoff. No matter how we slice it USC players was bigger, faster and better coached. Their O line looked big and strong. Ours big and fat. Their receivers were big, fast and had great hands. Aguilar and Kearse were dwarfed by our punter and probably have worse hands.
Our freshman ASJ and Kasen both look impressive though.
by sdhuskyfan on Nov 13, 2011 11:21 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
"Pau"....
…. is the Hawai’ian word for “done/complete/never to return to”, and that is where I am at with regards to the PAC-12 Refs. They all must go! It is past time to totally clean-out this house.
by The Dude 4 Real on Nov 13, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
It's been a problem for the Cougs too
well last night aside (the refs were okay..I guess)
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Nov 13, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Defense: We don't play well in space
We don’t get consistent play from our secondary. We consistently find ourselves out of position to defend the pass and we are consistently finding ourselves not properly aligned to defend running plays and screen plays in space.
I’m not sure how we fix it, but we aren’t getting great play from the secondary. Most of the big plays that we have been beaten on this season is because we can’t make stops in space- not aligned properly, take a bad angle in pursuit, don’t tackle, or we’re just not there. In order to get better in space, something during the offseason has to occure. Either we shake up personnel or the defensive coaching staff. Bottom line is we are very vulnerable in space and everybody is attacking space on us.
All I saw was purple
by crazidawg on Nov 13, 2011 11:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Well, nobody plays well in space.
thus the interest in o- coordinators to get the ball into space
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
ugh
Just a deflating day yesterday watching the Dawgs. Our O-line is becoming a more visible problem as we face more athletic & physical teams that can pass-rush. I know many here love Cozzetto, but I’m still not convinced. Hopefully as our young OL from the ‘09 class continue to develop we’ll see better, but right now this group is below-average.
I’m not usually one to criticize Sark’s play-calling – more often than not it’s lack of execution that’s the problem, not a problem with coaching strategy. Yesterday though, I was unimpressed.
Sark’s best weapon is Chris Polk. His O-line is bad at pass-blocking, but serviceable at run-blocking. But instead of trying to build off of Polk and develop a rhythm in the running-game (and maybe start wearing down the Trojan’s line), he got short pass happy. I suppose he was trying to build up KP’s confidence, but we just did not execute the WR screens worth a damn and we didn’t ever give Polk much of a chance to get going.
The trick play, well, that’s one of those things – if it works, he looks brilliant. But when it went nowhere, you almost sensed the immediate panic. Have to wonder if Sark had a rep for that and Kiffin was ready for it.
The ASJ play – I guess I just don’t know what a catch is anymore according to the rules. What I saw was a catch and a fumble, with ASJ recovering.
I still don’t see what the hype is all about for Barkley. He looked OK, but I’d still take Luck any day over him.
And if I see Ta’amu quit playing before the end of a play again, I’m going to lose it. Dude has all-world talent and no motor. For those that DVR’d the game, go to that play (I think it was late in the 3rd quarter), Barkley drops back to pass, pocket collapses around him, cameraman gets confused, and then the ball ends up completed for a 1st down. Then look at the end zone replay and notice how Ta’amu basically quits on the play, standing stock still with his back to Barkley as the play continues and he finds the open receiver.
I noticed a couple plays later Ta’amu got yanked for Shelton – I can only assume someone in the coaching booth caught a glimpse of that as well and relayed it to the sidelines.
On the ASJ catch – I could be wrong but I believe the rule is you have to control the ball all the way to the ground which he clearly didn’t do.
On the Ta’amu play – I saw that one. Barkley pump faked the ball and Ta’amu turned around to see where it went…it looked pretty bad because while Ta’amu was looking for the ball down field Barkley was standing right behind him with it.
But He Caught It
Look again: ASJ clearly had a 2-hand grip on that pass. Then when he went to tuck the ball, while he was getting tackled, he fumbled the ball. Then he recovered his fumble.
The real problem is letting the ref’s use slow-motion play backs. If they can not make the call right when it is going down, then they should only be able to use real-time reviews to take another look. The F’ing game is not played in slow motion! Nor should the calls be made from slow-mo data.
by The Dude 4 Real on Nov 13, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
This doesn't make any sense.
If the object is to get the call right, why shouldn’t you be able to use slow-mo?
Wrong Premise
The object is not to always make the “right” call. If that was the point, then all we would need is slow-mo calls, and no refs at all. The object is to review the calls made on the field, and I strongly believe the calls should only be reviewed, as they are seen when the occur.
by The Dude 4 Real on Nov 13, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
What?
The object of replay is absolutely to make the right call when it’s in doubt – what the hell else would it possibly be? The reason we don’t have slow-motion replay for everything is because it would slow the game down too much.
I understand what your saying...
..but if you catch the ball and get tackled without makeing a “football move” then you have to control the ball all the way to the ground. He caught it, no debate there, but half way to the ground it slipped out of his hands which by rule is an incompletion.
yes, this is right.
compare and contrast that to David Paulson’s overturned TD catch last night and you’ll see the difference.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
I don’t think that’s the way the rule reads Kirk. It’s not officially a catch until he controls it all the way to the ground or makes a football move. It slipped or was knocked loose before either of those things happened so it was ruled an incomplete catch.
then the rule is wrong
ASJ had control of that ball. Then the defender knocked it loose. We’re making it too difficult to secure a catch if that’s the way the rules are written, and not giving defenders enough credit for causing a fumble.
Another officiating call that really bothered me...
…was the non-call against Woods on his long catch during USC’s first scoring drive. He pushed off on Ducre with two hands – enough to nearly completely stop Ducre’s momentum and at the same time propel himself forward to make the catch. Just brutal.
The offense is given way too great an advantage when the ball is in the air. The two PI calls against Ducre were both fairly questionable.
yep
Forgot to mention that one, but it stood out to me too.
I was also a bit bothered by the motion penalty early in the game, I think it was on ASJ. Now granted, he probably wasn’t perfectly static with the line when he ended his lateral motion, but my issue with the call is for years now officials have been exceedingly lax in calling that. I’d venture to say on most plays where motion occurs on the offense you could call a guy for forward motion at the snap if you were being strict with the rules. I didn’t think that particular example was any more notable than 10-15 others you’d see during the course of a game. IMO the rules committee needs to decide if they’re going to crack down on it or not, and if so, can we please get some consistency in how it’s called?
Yeah, that one was bad, too.
I agree, consistency on stuff like that is the most important thing.
Consistency from the officials in general is the most important thing.
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