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by John Berkowitz on Jun 25, 2010 6:30 AM PDT
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PrintWe figured the QB recruiting wars would be over this week and Washington is looking good going into the homestretch. According to Greg Biggins of ESPN Brett Hundley who is the top QB left on the board in the West visited Washington and had a great time this week. The guru's are saying he will pick between Washington and UCLA.
Max Wittek who committed to USC this spring may also be looking at Washington now that the Trojans were hammered by probation and they also signed Cody Kessler. Marcus Mariota who is an Oregon commit is wavering and is also looking at Washington. The Huskies need to take two this year and if they could grab two out of this group it would be fantastic. My preference would be Hundley and Mariota but Wittek would do in a pinch.
A series of camps were held at UW over the past week and the stars of the camps were QB's on tap for the next two classes. Nobody is really standing out in state at this point this year but 2012 is shaping up to be an exceptional year for Northwest QB's.
Jeff Lindquist from Mercer Island, Drew Austin from Graham, Jason Thompson from Kennedy, and Max Browne from Skyline (2013) all stood out in camp so Washington will have plenty of local QB talent to go after over the next two years.
ASJ was at the Rising Stars Camp this past week and ran a 4.7 fourty which is nice for a TE. He has been spending a lot of time around Montlake which bodes well for UW. Insiders are saying it will be UW or UCLA.
All world Safety James Sample from Grant HS in Sacramento is down to Washington and Cal. UW has had the inside track on hom fro quite a while but never discount the local school.
Quincy Pondexter was drafted in the first round by the Oklahoma Thunder with the 26th pick of the draft. As many of you may recall the Thunder are the old Supersonics. Quincy was trade later to New Orleans which is a much more interesting place to live. Congratulations Quincy you earned it the hard way!
Charles Garcia from Seattle U. went undrafted. Garcia is an intriuging prospect who definitely needed another year of polish to get drafted. Problem is that would have meant another year of school. No word on how he did academically at SU but he was gone the minute the season ended in Corey Dillon like fashion.
Oregon picked up a transfer from Texas with legal problems who the Longhorns suspended indefinitely. DB Marcus Davis was a 2009 US Army All American. Davis will have to sit out a year and stay out of trouble before he can play.
Chip Kelly commented that Davis fits in well with the culture at Oregon...OK...just kidding...he never said that but you have to wonder why they are making decisions like that after the spring they went through. What is the fuzzy logic of booting players off your team for alcohol offenses and signing players from other schools who were kicked off their teams for the same reasons? More gasoline said the fire!
The University of Washington's September 11 home football game against Syracuse will kick off at 4:00 p.m. and will be televised live from Husky Stadium by the school's local broadcast partner, FSN Northwest. The game is the fifth on the Huskies' 12-game schedule to be selected for television broadcast. Most likely, television arrangements for the remaining seven games will be made two weeks prior to each game.
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Quarterback Recruiting
If those kids are serious about wanting to be an NFL quarterback, they should seriously consider Washington.
Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!
Washington or USC….Oregon’s offense while extremely effective isn’t going to create first round draft picks. You want to be a pro style QB you pick UW, USC, and Stanford at the moment.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 25, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Any word on Hundley planning to do anymore camping?
This Brett Hundley is the kid to get, but is he leaning to playing sooner rather then later? That may or may not be on his mind. You have to think that it has to be between UW and Ucla. Hundley has mentioned that he’d like to pursue a career in medicine and what other schools out there on the West Coast has a better medical school then Washington or Ucla. Let’s not let this great kid slip to Westwood.
All I saw was purple
Husky Central
Have any of you local guys got a chance to check it out?
Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!
Oregon
I’m amazed at the decisions being made in Eugene.
1 – You are having major discipline issues, with way too many players getting in trouble with the law.
2 – You are trying to prove to the fans/public that the football program is under control and not a bunch of thugs
So what do you do? You accept a transfer who got kicked off his old team for getting into trouble with the law?? I’m not sure about anybody else, but I am now absolutely positive that Chip Kelly is in over his head and has no clue how to maintain discipline in his program.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
The ATQ guys let me have it regarding second chances
and how everybody deserves one. Which to an extent I can agree with.
But I contend that with all the PR troubles they’re having, that bringing in a kid with priors from another program is a dangerous step. They pulled the “what if it was UW he was going to” card, and I thought about it, and I can honestly say that I would not be in favor. I don’t care how good a player is, I don’t want to bring in others teams projects. If a kid messes up at UW, then punish him (or like in Pulu’s case kick him off the team), but do not bring in kids who’ve already proven to have trouble keeping their nose clean.
So far in their tenures, Sark has shown that he has a zero tolerence policy. Chip has gone a different route with his “Everyone gets a second chance, and maybe a third depending depending on the media” policy. Hopefully it never comes to it, but I’ll be interested in seeing how things are handled when our players inevitably start doing “minor” things wrong.
I have to disagree with them
nobody deserves a second chance. It’s not a birthright, it’s not a constitutional right, it’s not a human right. A second chance isn’t justice, it’s mercy. I’m all in favor of being merciful, I think a society without mercy would be a lousy place to live, and as a human being I hope this kid takes full advantage of the mercy he’s been shown (though as a football fan I hope it does Oregon no good whatsoever) — but when people start to assume mercy and think they deserve it, that’s bad news. (That is, among other things, one of the problems with LenDale White, from what I can see.)
by The Ancient Mariner on Jun 25, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
When I was 17 my friends Mom got me a job, when I showed up over an hour late without a call I got fired on the spot. Did I deserve a second chance? Hell no! I screwed up after being given a gift, and I deserved to be let go. I had to cover that up to get my own second chance.
Privilage is just that, it’s a privilage. It’s earned with hard work and decent behavior. When UO brings in a kid with prior convictions that left under the guise that he wasn’t going to play enough, it raises red flags to me.
The guys over there looked at it like this, if he does great than it’s a huge reward on the risk that was taken. If he screws up than no biggie, he’s let go without any issues. That’s a terrible mindset to have. Kids that are given gifts (physical, or tangible…like say a free ride through college) should be held to a high standard, and not be given chance after chance because they’re good at something.
I hate the PC attidtude that everyone is developing. Some people in this world are stupid, and should be treated as such until they can work to develop some common sense and treat people as they would like to be treated.
I agree with boht of you
A football scholarship is a priveledge and should not be taken for granted. As for football scholarships I do not believe in second chances. Academically if you are caught cheating do you get a second chance? Society offers second chances, but in order to get a second chance you have to pay your debt back to society first, before society offers the 2nd chance. Did this kid pay his debt? I’m not so sure. He got kicked off the Texas football team for disciplinary reasons and thus transferred to Oregon. Duck fans are calling for 2nd chances, are you kidding? To me it seems the kid is getting off lightly.
Why does this not surprise me coming from Eugene?
All I saw was purple
FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody with some common sense!!! You said it very, very well, nobody deserves a second chance. That doesn’t mean don’t give second chances, just that nobody is entitled to a second chance.
I’m all for this kid playing college football somewhere, I just find it very odd that Oregon would add more problems, when they already have plenty of their own problems.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
My how biased media spins the story of the Texas transfer
I read the article from OregonLive and it sounded as if the kid was transferring to Oregon for more playing time. I don’t recall the Oregonlive article mentioning anything about player in question getting booted from the Longhorn team, nor was he facing discipline actions from Texas.
I think it is safe to say that Kelly is treading very close to reckless and dangerous with regards to the discpline of the program.
All I saw was purple
A duck fan...
…immediately called him on it in the comments section. At least some fans get it.
Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!
Risk taking
Washington had the opportunity to bring in a couple of players from BYU over the past year who had run into problems. One was a DT who could have made a major impact but UW ultimately passed. The DT had spent some time in the slammer and they decided to not take that risk and the ensuing publicity it would bring with it.
The Oregon Athletic Department and football program in general seem to be run autonomously from the University which can open a Pandora’s box of problems in the future. If it can happen to USC it can happen to Oregon.
Anyway I just find it completely odd that they are continuing to take chances after the off season they had.
Second chances at Oregon seem to be reserved for starters and super stars…don’t see special treatment for the kids they can clear out to make room for the next talented felon.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 25, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
Why take a big risk on a kid with problems, when you already have enough problems of your own.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Good point Crazi...
…yes they are and they’re loosing touch with reality.
Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!
The irony of this statement being made on this blog is so hilarious.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
by qrsouther on Jun 26, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank God Q-Pon got traded
I would’ve been absolutely torn between my love for him and my all-consuming hatred of the Thunder.
I think QPon could be the surprise get of the draft
Very versatile and athletic. Can play the wing and burry the trey, can drive the lane in order to create offense, and can bang down low with the rest of them. Quincy’s nickname should be Mr. Versatility.
Yet he won’t be a superstar, but could become an annual All Star with the right amount of work, and could be a key ingredient role player like a Scotty Pippen type.
All I saw was purple
Dude can't shoot.
He needs some serious work on his jumpshot if he’s going to amount to anything in the league.
That isn't really accurate
His jump shot from 17 ft and in is superb. Beyond that things get pretty dicey though. If he can extend his range he will pretty tough offensively…if he can’t, well he’ll still be a better pro than Adam Morrison.
"As many of you may recall the Thunder are the old Supersonics"
Thanks JB, I had entirely forgotten.
Our leather lungs together...
Interesting To See The List of Future QBs
I had an opportunity last fall to see many of the top players in the area working the stats crew for a friend of mine who’s the head coach at Mercer Island. Jeff Lindquist of MI is a beast…a legit 6’4", 230 lbs and he’s barely started to fill out. He’s not Jake Locker-fast (who is?), but strikes me of what Tebow must have looked like in HS…when he puts his head down, seriously, Linebackers beware. He threw for 1500 yards as a soph with only a handful of picks, but get this: my unofficial count had his receivers with 47 “catchable” drops (as in easy catches, right through the hands) through the season…and doesn’t include what could have happened if he hadn’t had his top four receivers all out for the season by the third game, had something more than a bunch of overwhelmed frosh and soph WRs running around, an O-Line that averaged more than 190ish lbs. I’ve personally watched the kid screwing around after practice chucking the ball nearly 70 yards to some assistant coaches. He’s intelligent, ridiculously polite, studious, and grounded.
From everything I’m told he wants to go to UW and is somewhat of a regular at practices when time permits. Let’s get on this kid!
by Purple Reign 91 on Jun 25, 2010 11:32 AM PDT reply actions
Jeff Lindquist must be this man's grandson:
http://www.seattlepi.com/archives/1996/9601310033.asp
Swede was a great guy. I had the privilege of knowing him when I was a student at Garfield.
Expect to Win!!!
Not sure on that one...
Swede’s son was Reese Lindquist who played at UW, coached at Queen Anne, led the teachers union, and went into politics for awhile. If he is related he would most likely be a great grandson of Swede.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 25, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Hundley and Mariota are definitely the perfect UW combo...
but Hundley is the only QB must-have…a rare Locker type of impact player. I don’t even want to hear any spin, get it done Sark! GO HUSKIES!
by 206 on Jun 25, 2010 11:33 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Scott Eklund likes Hundley better than Wittek.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 25, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I put Wittek in the Jimmy Clausen category
Tons of talent, huge confidence, but too much “privlage”. By all reports I’ve seen, he’s got that self-important aura that he let’s get the best of him.
I like Hundley, but if Mariota switches before Hundley comes in, it gives UO one QB instead of two, which was a lot of the reason Hundley softened on the Ducks.
Even if we can find another Fouch, who’s a suitable backup type, then we can go after some big names in next year’s stacked class.
by B Money on Jun 25, 2010 1:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Just Some Facts For You All Regarding Marcus Davis
Marcus Davis had contacted the Oregon coaches about transferring to Oregon back in January before the firestorm of idiotic behavior of a few Duck players.
Marcus Davis was pulled over full driving on a flat tire and under suspicion of a DUI and possession of a controlled substance. Both of the charges were unfounded and later dropped. The so-called controlled substance in question as an anxiety medication.
Davis plead guilty to reckless driving, a misdemeanor.
The anxiety medication was Xanax
I’ve been on that stuff in the past, and if you’re driving while under the influence of it, it’s still very, very dangerous. In fact, I’d almost perfer a guy with a 0.08% BAC driving than a guy on 2mg of Xanax. Benzos are no joke, and Xanax is the most commonly abused among them. Not to say that he was abusing them, but rather that there are effects extreme enough to cause substantail abuse.
The charges were also not dropped, they were pled down to reckless driving, which is common in DUI/DWI cases. There is a difference.
Before the firestorm or not, it’s just now offical that they’re taking this project on. They don’t have to accept him.
There is no rationalization for "Massoli" [sic].
He screwed up big time, just like Curtis Williams did. There are no Duck fans that will give Masoli any benefit of the doubt anymore. He embarrassed himself, his family, and the Oregon program a few too many times. Real shame too.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Offering "benefit of the doubt" to questionable character is the problem
Is this the best Oregon can get? It’s not just one or two players nor is it one or two incidents. Now the LaGarrett Blount issue is getting a little old, yet we have to look at what transpired in Boise simply because that was the first real sign of Oregon coaches offering the benefit of the doubt to players with questionable character.
As a Husky fan I encourage Oregon coaches to continue the practice of offering benefit of the doubt and second chances. Eventually it will rot away the culture of the program and can only lead to one outcome, which is not good.
Furthermore as a Husky fan, if one of our players “screws up” then I welcome the idea of booting them off the team. I do not encourage our coached to pursue players with questionable character or players with character flaws. We want the very best student athletes in our program and our players know if they screw up, they then face the possiblity of forfeiting everything that they’ve worked hard for. Once that policy is in place and established, you then have just created a very successful culture. Excuses is the only thing I hear from duck fans in regards to bad behavior- wonder why?
All I saw was purple
Is this the best Oregon can get? It’s not just one or two players nor is it one or two incidents. Now the LaGarrett Blount issue is getting a little old, yet we have to look at what transpired in Boise simply because that was the first real sign of Oregon coaches offering the benefit of the doubt to players with questionable character.
Okay, seriously? LeGarrette Blount’s whole ordeal is the exact opposite of what you’re trying to exemplify. Kelly gave Blount a second chance and it truly worked out for both. He reinstated him in November, and by December Blount had followed all of his behavioral, academic, and athletic obligations to Kelly and Oregon. He came back and performed well enough to help Oregon to a Rose Bowl berth.
I interviewed LeGarrette Blount a few months back for a class essay I had to write on a local person of interest to me. He gave me his number and we had a very sincere conversation about his comeback as a player and as a person. He was very, very grateful for Chip Kelly’s support. He said multiple times that he appreciated how Kelly would give him a chance when the vast majority of other coaches wouldn’t have.
I think it is a credit to Kelly that he gives his players and young men opportunities to redeem themselves. He gave Masoli that opportunity after his high school run-ins, and it worked out for about a year and a half. Eventually, though, Masoli showed who he really was as a person, and screwed up big-time twice in about three months. It’s especially unfortunate considering how much of Kelly and co.’s time he wasted lying about what he did and did not do. Good riddance, as much as it hurts to say that about a guy who really seemed like he was making a run for a great life ahead of him.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Blount
I was glad he was eventually reinstated…I always thought the suspension was too severe. I think four games max was good enough.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 27, 2010 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Interestingly enough, the initially season-long suspension I was happy with when it was first announced.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
I think a lot of use were until we realized the finality of it all…he did a bad thing but I really think it helped get his head screwed back on right.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 27, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand Curtis had some problems
but if you could not come to our blog and defame the dead it would be great.
Defame the dead?
I only linked to a Seattle Times article, with no emphasis mine. How am I speaking ill of the dead?
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
He screwed up big time, just like Curtis Williams did.
That emphisas is yours, and problems or not a yound man died from a tragic on the field accident. Pick on somebody like Jeramy Stevens, who could really be almost an apples to apples comparison to an idiot like Masoli.
It was tragic that his life ended on the field like it did.
But the entire article (I assume you have read it, because it is very informative) is about who he was in his personal life. If you’re of the faint of heart — which you could or could not be — don’t read it. It was just an example of another player with off the field problems, and it so happens that there is a very nice exposé on that player. I assumed you wouldn’t take offense to me linking to as it is from your school’s hometown newspaper. Sorry.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
I wasn't a huge fan of that article when I read it the first time
I felt it was in poor taste. I just read it again, and I feel like I did the first time. If he was alive to defend himself and answer the charges, then something like this might be justified to make him stand for his crimes.
A legacy is all a man has when they’re gone, and I don’t feel it necessary to take that from someone, no matter what demons they might have had.
Sorry for blowing up.
That series was a poor decision all around by the Times. Why wait for 8+ years to post that series? Why the clear bias towards painting the worst possible picture around those players profiled and ignoring a lot of competing views and evidence? Check out the response Ted Miller had to that series – he was the Seattle P.I. beat reporter for the Huskies during the years in question, and he took exception to much of that Times’ series:
http://blog.seattlepi.com/sportsrant/archives/130731.asp
It should also be noted that the Times series did not involve their beat reporter (Bob Condotta) or any of the sports staff – it was entirely a news room production from Purdue grads. Hmm, think there might have been any motivation for them to paint the Huskies in the worst possible light?
I have no problem with investigative journalism, or uncovering warts in favorite programs – the more transparency, the better. But it was a poorly conceived series that did a lousy job of trying to prove their supposed points, and the timing was highly questionable.
Williams clearly had some issues as a High Schooler and early in his marriage, but by most accounts was turning his life around before he was fatally injured. And of course the series was written far too late to get the perspective from Williams himself.
And to top it off, you come on our fan blog and post ill of a dead former player of ours – I trust you can understand that if the positions are ever reversed, you will feel similarly.
And to top it off, you come on our fan blog and post ill of a dead former player of ours – I trust you can understand that if the positions are ever reversed, you will feel similarly.
I did?
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Which I defended above.
I simply linked to an article, and said that Curtis Williams screwed up in his personal life. Which is entirely true. Calm down.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Alot of it has to do with your (percieved) inflection
And the link to a hit piece on a deceased man.
If it was pretty much any other idiot castoff, a comparison could have been made without stirring up this kind of response.
by B Money on Jun 26, 2010 11:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Which I refuted above
Here’s what you do – you accept that you’ve offended a lot of Husky fans with your poor choice for a comp to Masoli as well as your disparaging remarks about a dead man and you apologize, or at the very least you drop it.
I'm so confused.
I don’t think I made any disparaging remarks by any stretch of the imagination here. I linked to an article to show that players who come off as heroes on the field can have serious, serious problems in their lives. It seems you’re all too upset about even the mention of C-Dub for me to even use any of the examples from the Times piece, so I won’t say them here.
A poor choice for a comparison to Masoli? Are you saying that what Masoli did off the field was worse? Truly, I’m curious.
I’m fine with dropping it.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
A poor choice for a comparison to Masoli? Are you saying that what Masoli did off the field was worse? Truly, I’m curious.
Yes. Masoli was a thief who was given a second chance blew it. Williams had domestic violence issues, but by most accounts was working through his problems when his fatal injury occurred, and we’ll never know if he would have overcome his problems for sure.
Your comparison of Williams to Masoli was poor, and in poor taste.
but by most accounts was working through his problems when his fatal injury occurred
By whose accounts? I have read a few articles on Williams and haven’t seen any semblance of changing, but I could be missing one.
Okay, Masoli pulled a prank and took some laptops from a frat house. Really, really bad decision. Nonviolent, but a bad decision, and he got caught. I condemn this greatly.
Then he got caught with a very small amount of pot. I don’t condone this either. But this was also nonviolent.
It may be a tough pill for you to swallow, but Curtis Williams battered and brutally abused his wife six times in a year and a half, and threatened to kill her if she squeeled. These are all violent offenses.
I know it’s pretty hard to hear considering he was a hero to you all, but you have to seriously think about what you’re saying. Masoli’s offenses were worse than Williams’? I want you to look at this objectively and impartially for just a minute here.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Masoli...prank....please
Masoli did time in HS for mugging people…in other words he would beat people…take their money and whatever possession they had on them. the guy is a thug with no redeeming qualities…calling a robbery at a frat house a prank…c’mon…it was no joke…just another robbery.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 27, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, certainly he might have been a thug in high school.
That much is true.
The thing is, Masoli did take the laptops, projector, what have you. Completely unacceptable behavior for such a noticeable guy on campus.
But the thing about what he did was that he wasn’t doing it just to get another laptop. He already has one. They’re given out to student athletes. His whole motive (as he and others in the situation claimed it to be) was just to freak out the guys and move all their stuff out of the room where they’d expect it all to be. Again, stupid as hell. He deserves what he got. But it was also completely nonviolent.
Now, his high school things are something that I would like to learn more about. All I’ve ever read was how he was in a big group of football players who would go to the mall and mug people. Seriously, what’s he thinking by doing that?
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Why do you...
…keep defending the fool? All that you’ve proven is that in addition to being a thug and a crook is that he’s stupid too.’
by doubledeucedawg on Jun 27, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Defending the fool?
I haven’t condoned any single thing that he did. I summarized every paragraph I’ve written about Masoli with adding that he made a complete screw-up of himself. Are you reading what I’m saying or are you just skimming and looking for the word but?
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
You are trying to paint his actions in as benign a way as possible – that he was just trying to “freak out” the guys in the fraternity. Given how he lied about his involvement – not just to the press, but to his coach – you seriously expect anyone to believe his excuses?
How “non-violent” was his mugging of strangers as a High Schooler?
For someone who thinks I need to look at things impartially and objectively, you’re setting a farce of an example.
Time for you to go back to your Ducks blog.
The thing about Curtis...
His wife had no problem assaulting him either…not sure that he had the tools to cope with that…everyone agrees he was a good kid that wouldn’t have run into problems if he hadn’t become a father at 18 and got married.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 27, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I've personally never bought the whole "Michelle was more abusive than Curtis" thing.
I’ve never heard of a 21 year-old former cheerleader beat up a 5’10", 200 lb. college football Safety.
Are there any links I could see that state that Michelle was as abusive or abusive at all to Curtis? Not that there isn’t one out there, I would just like to see it for myself.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
People aren’t going on record about it, because how would that help their child? It’s been insinuated enough that it’s clear the domestic violence in that relationship was not a one-way street.
As for Curtis reforming, his coaches and family noted that things were improving.
You’re treading on exceedingly thin ground here. You don’t know the situation nearly well enough to be commenting on it if all you’re going by is that poorly reported Times series.
Just stop now.
Seriously, qrsouther... douche move.
As someone said above, bring up Jerramy Stevens or someone, I don’t know, NOT DEAD.
It’s really a poorly constructed argument/example/point when you chose someone who is automatically going to evoke a different set of standards, expectations and emotions given what happened to him.
But aside from that, a “prank” is lighting someone’s shoes on fire or foiling someone’s desk. Taking their valuable electronics (particularly when you don’t know them well) seems a tad beyond “prank.”
I just think you went down a bad path here, but more interestingly, I’m saddened for you that you can’t see why. It’s pretty obvious, and if you can’t process the “why” of Curtis being a terrible example to use, then I’m not sure any I could give any argument you present any credence whatsoever.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 27, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
But aside from that, a "prank" is lighting someone’s shoes on fire or foiling someone’s desk. Taking their valuable electronics (particularly when you don’t know them well) seems a tad beyond "prank."
100% agreed. That’s why Masoli’s a moron for doing it. I was just saying that in his statement, it was said that the whole ordeal was planned as a prank. It’s completely unacceptable and ridiculous to even think that it could come across as a prank, but college kids are stupid a lot of the time.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Why do you feel you have to act so arrogant towards me?
Every single thing you said in this very reply is all possibly hearsay, you said it yourself.
Why am I on thin ground? Because I do not share your blind advocacy for Williams?
People aren’t going on record about it, because how would that help their child?
I’m not even sure what you mean by this.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Probably how would it help his surviving child and her mother, if her mother was dragged through this to get to "the truth of the matter."
You know, letting old wounds heal, instead of picking at the scabs.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 27, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
You may be right about that.
I would have thought, though, that at least someone would have put it in print at some point whether or not Michelle in fact did act aggressive towards Curtis.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Because obviously if it was just put into print it must be true,
and newspapers would never stretch reality to push an agenda, nor would a muddled truth in reality ever be held back due to said agenda.
C’mon man. It’s a dead end subject that you are pursuing so avidly. Let it go.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 27, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right, it is a dead end subject.
Forget it. It’s impossible to make a point here that goes against the grain.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
That's not true.
You are missing the point. It is impossible to make a point that may or may not be accurate, with a player who evokes strong emotion due to his playing caused death, when the true history of the events are not even certain to begin with.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 27, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Did You...
…ever consider just admitting it was a poor choice and apologizing? That takes real class and courage, maybe one day you’ll grasp that.
by doubledeucedawg on Jun 27, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Are there any links I could see that state that Michelle was as abusive or abusive at all to Curtis?
The Times series in question mentions how a local columnist had written that people close to Williams alleged that Michelle was more abusive than Curtis:
Without saying that Curtis had served time for assaulting Michelle, a Times sports columnist wrote: "Friends of Curtis said Michelle was more abusive than he. It was a bad marriage.
I’d link the Dick Baird column on the matter from Dawgman.com, but their archives don’t appear to go back very far. Trust me when I say that he insinuated the same thing.
Another thing to note from that Times series:
Michelle also attended the funeral, along with Kymberly. To this day, Michelle wishes Curtis were alive and part of his daughter’s life — to teach her how to drive, to be there when she graduates.
Curtis...?
You know better that that QR…very mean spirited…not even close to being apples to apples…as noted try Jeremy Stevens who is a habitual criminal just like Jeremiah Masoli.
Stevens is a bad egg and so is Masoli….they will always be threats to society, they will never learn, and eventually both will do significant time in jail.
Curtis was no angel…he did have some personal problems..he did have a bad relationship…he was never a thief, mugger, or rapist.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 27, 2010 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions
To be honest, I pretty much forgot about Jerramy Stevens.
He could have been a better comparison in retrospect, yes. I just linked to Williams because the article was fairly far-reaching.
I would apologize for making some sort of stink here if I thought what I did was wrong. I still don’t believe I did anything to disrespect Williams myself.
Did Williams do bad things in his personal life, like I said? Yes. Did Masoli, like I said? Yes. And that is all I said. I’m sorry that saying the name Curtis Williams gets this kind of reaction out of you all. I didn’t know it would.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Good manners….try it.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 26, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
That was such an excellent contribution to this discussion.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
And you are one to talk????
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
The best contribution you could make to this discussion:
I’m sorry, I screwed the pooch, I’ll go back to by Duck blog.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
How did I screw the pooch?
By linking to a Times article that paints your hero in a negative light? I don’t follow.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
What are you, 13 years old??
I know John likes to keep the blog professional, so my apologies to John, but you are a f________g moron.
The guy lost his life because he played Husky Football, this isn’t the place to call him on the carpet for his short comings. If you can’t figure out why that pisses us off, you should go back to kindergarten, I know 5 year olds with more common sense than you.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Rather impolite reply there, man.
I expect some courtesy from a group of UW graduates on this blog. Berkowitz seems to be a very kind man. Why can’t you be kind to me in this discussion? Do you call everyone you disagree with “f______g morons”? I don’t think that’s the best way to go about arguments and counter-arguments, but our politics obviously differ.
I don’t feel I’ve called out Williams by any means. I linked to a page about his personal life. Even after eight years he cannot be scrutinized for his violent personal life?
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Now I understand . . . .
I finally clicked on your name and brought up your “profile”. Great picture. You look like you actually are 13 years old AND you are wearing . . . . drum roll please . . . . a Jeremiah Massoli jersey. For our young, slow duck fan, that means you have ZERO credibility in this argument.
Go back to school, you have a LOT left to learn.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Dude...
Come on. He was making a comparison between two criminals. He wasn’t saying “HAHA, Curtis Williams is dead and he was a criminal!” He was referencing events that transpired before his death and had nothing to do with his dying. Calm down.
Onto victory urge the heroes, of our mighty Oregon!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 27, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
When a person is deceased and is no longer there to defend oneself,
there would be FAR BETTER examples to portray his point.
That, essentially, is what this is about. I read the thread over at Quack in which you guys comment about this, and all I can say is it’s a douche move, and the support he got on the blog given the touchiness of the issue, not cool duck fans.
Look, if Masoli was killed in a car wreck tomorrow, I wouldn’t head over to your page and use him as an example of what’s wrong with Oregon football. I’d let that one speak for itself.
That’s the thing, and for you guys to miss WHY we don’t want to use Curtis as a conversation piece in this context, particularly given the contentiousness in public discourse between newspapers about the actual events and pointedness of the articles. I mean, c’mon. Take off the green and look at this unbiased.
It’s a slippery slope, and you’ve defended trying to stand at the very edge of it and not fall down.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 27, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
It may have not been the best choice of person to compare him to.
However, I know Quinn, and his intent was definitely not malicious. He was just trying to illustrate a point. As he mentioned earlier, he had forgotten about Stevens and probably would have used him in the comparison if he hadn’t slipped his mind. It wasn’t like he was making fun of his death.
Don't look those hoodie-clad Huskies in the eyes. They'll give you lupus.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 27, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps. But knowing when to back away could have been beneficial here.
And I don’t see it as being malicious, but I do see him as not exiting the argument when the reasoning behind it not being a workable point was established, and setting his point back up with a more appropriate example.
Instead, he keeps fighting for it, in a forum where it simply is not a productive point to make, with a player whose history is contentious and muddled and time has only further proven that point.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 27, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do I have zero credibility? I liked a picture of myself taken at the Rose Bowl.
Again, personal attacks?
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
At least you are alive to defend yourself.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
CW
I’m a bit shocked that you don’t “get it”, coming on a Husky Blog and comparing Curtis Williams to Massoli, is like comparing Pat Tillman to OJ Simpson.
Curtis died because he was a Husky football player, he might not have been perfect, but we will always hold him in very high regard because of what he sacrificed to be a Husky.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
comparing Curtis Williams to Massoli, is like comparing Pat Tillman to OJ Simpson.
No, it’s not. How is it anything like that?
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
I agree. It isn't quite the same.
Given that Tillman was a hero with an impeccable off the field record. However, that doesn’t change the fact that it is still a poor example and poor stance to take.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 27, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I was being over dramatic to prove a point.
Curtis had an issue that he was working on to improve. Massoli is a repeat offender with no regard for right and wrong and is a pure thug.
Try this, comparing CW to Massoli, is like comparing Lofa Tatupu to Adam Pacman Jones.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Just read the comments on the Duck blog.
And I have lost what little respect I had for Duck fans, you have absolutely no class and are a disgrace to the human race.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Sweet Jesus.
Don't look those hoodie-clad Huskies in the eyes. They'll give you lupus.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 27, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's how classy your fellow duck fans are:
It sounds like Curtis Williams was a real A-hole, victim blamer. – QuackinAK
They harked on you because he was dead. That’s a bunch of crap.
He went for helmet to helmet hits. – QuackQuackAttack
I know, right. God forbid I “defame” a felon posthumously with a link to a Times article about him. – qrsouther
Because obviously cheating on the football field and being a wife beater really is a great sacrifice to a university. – axemen23
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Well….I can’t really disagree with any of that.
Don't look those hoodie-clad Huskies in the eyes. They'll give you lupus.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 27, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, speaking of context I notice you still haven't said that possibly you might be wrong.
You are still sticking to your guns that Curtis is the perfect example, and that he was completely at fault in the bad relationship, AND then you took our frustration with that and took it to another blog to create a sarcastic context in which to bitch about us.
That’s context.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 27, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
So I can't talk on my native blog about how I found you guys incredibly irrational?
While Lear Pilot has resulted numerous times to namecalling and offensive personal attacks in this very thread?
You live in a topsy-turvy world.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
Not at all.
My world is quite rational, as is my point.
I personally know that I would NEVER bring up a deceased person as my first point of contention to prove my case when said deceased person would likely bring emotion into the conversation in regard to the other side.
Hence, I wouldn’t go home to my blog to post about others irrational/emotional outbursts, in essence mocking those people.
Why would I not go home to post about their irrationality? Because I would have avoided it by bringing up a better (and less paralyzed then dead) player as my example.
Good lesson for you— and I know, there have been some counter-productive statements put forth toward you by some here. Take a longer look though, and you’ll see that mine have been relatively fair and balanced. But I would say this to you as a suggestion:
Don’t throw rocks at the bees nest and then act surprised when angry bees come after you.
You’re right. Leer is an angry angry bee right now. While I’m a fan, I’m more like the neighbor across the street that saw you do it, and for the life of me I can’t figure out why. There are better safer ways to get rid of the nest and avoid getting stung.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jun 27, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Please . . .
reply, I’m begging you, I’m just dying to have a reason to post those comments over here. That would bring a real storm.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
To be fair
they haven’t really, they chalked him up to stupidity for the most part. It’s all the others that I take contention with.
Don't think anyone at Oregon is rationalizing that...
Plenty of that going on before his initial sentence…not any after the pot bust…
by John Berkowitz on Jun 26, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
As B Money and John Berkowitz have said below,
Us Ducks are not trying to rationalize his actions. He blew his second chance and he deserves to be kicked off of the team. End of story. I would say that at least 99% of Duck fans share this sentiment.
Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
I actually cooked a really delicious Massoli tonight. Just like my Italian grandmother used to make it!
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www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com
But you only cook from jar sauce, you dilettante.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
this subthread is a freaking train wreck
I don’t really like to involve myself in such uselessness, but I’m going to defend my friend Quinn here because this whole attack is completely unwarranted.
Nobody here is proud of the off field conduct of our football team this offseason. Masoli is a jackass. He blew a second a third chance, deserved to get thrown off the team for his stupidity, and you won’t hear many Duck fans crying about it. He lost his privilege to represent our University. I wish him the best and hope he turns it around, but he’s not our problem anymore.
You guys have been all over our problems this offseason. Fine. We’re rivals. Its fair game. Quinn simply reminded you not to pretend that your shit doesn’t stink. You hold yourselves up in some holier-than-thou way when your school doesn’t have such a great track record itself. Look at the record of all four northwest schools over the last ten years, there are a lot of incidents that nobody is proud of. I’m not happy that Curtis Williams died a tragic and untimely death. I wish he was here today to see if he had turned it around. But its not like he died yesterday. And if you’re going to nitpick at everything our program does to try and make a ridiculous point that our program is out of control, its not unfair to point out your players who have had their share of off field problems. And while Williams obviously evokes emotion, it doesn’t change the facts. Our shit stinks. Yours does too. Its a fact of life.
You error is in assuming bad intentions, or that Quinn used the Williams example just to piss you off. He used it because it was an example with quick access to a fairly good history of the player. You spew personal attacks at him not to make any kind of a real point, but to try and make the Ducks and Duck fans look like the bad guy. Personal rivalries aside, in big boy college football, everyone is going to have troublemakers. Some schools don’t seem to care. Some do. Chip Kelly’s actions have shown that he is trying to get these players right, and is not afraid to show players the door if they don’t get their heads on straight. So he’s giving a guy a second chance. If Jake Locker got a DUI tomorrow, would you not be in favor of giving him a second chance? Masoli blew his second chance, and was thrown out of the program. Blount, on the other hand, made the most of his second chance. Some people are going to abuse second chances, doesn’t mean that nobody deserves them. You’ll be in that kind of situation again, as will we, just the way life works.
But don’t try and make Quinn out as the bad guy here. He just reminded you that you guys have gone through problems, too. Williams’s story is sad and tragic, but not an excuse to continue to gloss over his problems eight years later.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
You hold yourselves up in some holier-than-thou way when your school doesn’t have such a great track record itself.
Um, where are we holding ourselves up as “holier-than-thou”? I don’t think any reasonable person here is unaware of the issues that have affected our program over the years, nor would I expect anyone here to say that we’re never going to have discipline issues ever again. Dig into any major college program and you’re going to find warts. It just so happens that right now, the Ducks have had a significant rash of problems that have hit the public eye, enough so that there is legitimate reason to wonder if Kelly has firm control. And if you see Husky fans gloating about the troubles in Eugene, it’s not just because of our hate of the Ducks, and it’s not because we think we’re “holier-than-thou”, it’s payback for all the shit you Duck fans threw at Husky fans over the years.
As for Quinn, I’d have a lot more sympathy for his actions if he had shown any semblance of contrition when called on his initial posts that offended. Instead he’s refused to acknowledge that he did anything wrong and has suggested that we are lacking in any kind of perspective.
For the record, I don’t think any reasonable Husky fan condones domestic violence and what Willaims did to his wife. What we are saying however, is that there is more to the story than what was printed in that sorry excuse for an “expose” by the Times.
While the degree of the abuse was certainly worse in the case of Williams, I would suggest you keep in mind the LaMichael James case when judging Williams; I have been on record multiple times here saying that I have no problems with LMJ’s suspension being for just 1 game – given the context of his actions (i.e. his ex was clearly in batshit crazy mode and provoked him in a major way). James shouldn’t have laid hands on her in the way that he did, but it didn’t come without provocation. In a similar way, there are multiple people that were close to Williams that insist that the domestic violence in that marriage went both ways. That’s not to excuse Williams, but to add some context that paints a more complex picture of what was going on there. It’s not “glossing over”, it’s providing a more complete picture.
I agree that it’s a subtle distinction between Masoli and Williams (apparently too subtle for Quinn), but there is a difference – much better to compare Masoli to Stevens as we’ve been repeatedly pointing out.
Personally, I'm at a lost trying to figure out how qrsouther offended in the first place.
Because he said that Curtis Williams screwed up big time? Was that the offensive part, or was it the fact that he linked to an article that a lot of you don’t really like? Is it the fact that Williams is dead?
Either way, I don’t think it warrants this:
Seriously, qrsouther… douche move.
Tell your mother she needs you, dumbkoff.
Go back to school, you have a LOT left to learn.
Curtis Williams to Massoli, is like comparing Pat Tillman to OJ Simpson.
you have absolutely no class and are a disgrace to the human race.
Finally…
As for Quinn, I’d have a lot more sympathy for his actions if he had shown any semblance of contrition when called on his initial posts that offended
I think you need to read what he wrote.
It was just an example of another player with off the field problems, and it so happens that there is a very nice exposé on that player. I assumed you wouldn’t take offense to me linking to as it is from your school’s hometown newspaper. Sorry.
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
The vast majority of the responses to him were civilized. Angry perhaps, but civilized.
For the umpteenth time, the offending part of what he wrote was this:
He screwed up big time, just like Curtis Williams did
The problems with that statement are:
1. The direct comparison to Masoli;
2. The poor taste of going on a Husky blog and using as an example of someone was a “big-time screwup” a Husky that lost his life from injuries sustained on the playing field.
As for his “apology”, go back and read all of his responses, then read that quoted portion again and tell me it comes across as a legitimate apology and not another snarky response. He was given multiple opportunities to drop the issue, but couldn’t resist piping in and continuing to inflame.
Once again, I grant you that the difference between speaking ill of Masoli (or Stevens) vs. Williams is a subtle one, and I guess I’m giving you guys too much credit that you should be able to see that distinction.
Dude, it’s not subtle it’s pretty distinct, one guy was a screw up got a second chance (and third and fourth and so on and so on) and went on to drop many passes in the NFL and the other screwed up and got a second chance and died while still a husky football player.
What I don’t get is why mentioning said guy as a screw up invokes anger to the point of hurling insults (then again I’ve come to not expect much from Lear Pilot anymore). While I agree that a comparison to Player 1 would have been more apt, Quinn again rationalizes this later with:
To be honest, I pretty much forgot about Jerramy Stevens.
and while you might be calloused to his apology, are you also calloused to his reasons for not using player 1 instead? I mean, you’ve asked him to do it like “umpteen times” even after he explained this.
Personally, I think he touched a nerve with a lot of you both with the player he chose as well as the article that was written (that nerve you call a “subtle difference”). I know he didn’t mean to do it intentionally or maliciously , and I’m sure that if he didn’t think some of the name calling simpletons would think he was talking to them, he would actually apologize to those who took offense to it.
Anyway, as fanfman states:
this discussion stopped being reasonable a long time ago
I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack
It's true
this has devolved into a Husky/Duck morality battle rather than a simple bashing of the others stupid cast-offs.
I feel like I should interject myself in this again as I was the one who originally took issue with Quinn’s words.
I am satisfied with his apology, I personally overreacted towards what in retrospect was a poor choice of analogies on his part, but one that was not malicious. The ATQ guys, while complete irrational Duck homers, are not bad guys. This was just a hot button issue that a few of us (myself included), took as a low blow. I don’t think it was, and there shouldn’t be much need to beat the kid up any further.
Why don’t we argue about Mariota, and how much we hate him, at least until he switches his commitment.
Damnit
Its true he might, I guess he doesn’t like his chances with all the A-list dual threat QBs we’ve been getting commitments from.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Well Matt...
The guy broke his neck on the football field, was paralyzed…then died slowly over a year or so. I think you can understand why people would be sensitive to that.
The investigative article in the Seattle Times was part of a sensationalistic series written nearly seven years after the fact and released the week before letter of intent day. The entire series was mean spirited and written from one point of view…and that was the worst possible view they could find.
So you are right…that article does touch a sensitive nerve with Husky fans and the University.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 28, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't Forget Guys...
…we’re dealing with a kid here, hopefully he’ll learn from this.
by doubledeucedawg on Jun 27, 2010 6:41 PM PDT reply actions
To learn from what?
Adults who can’t treat a person with opposing views with respect? Who can’t argue rationally, and instead resort to hubristic and juvenile insults on how a person looks in their avatar?
No, I’m not learning anything from the people here.
Chip Kelly is my shepherd, there is nothing I shall want.
by qrsouther on Jun 27, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nods head in agreement.
Don't look those hoodie-clad Huskies in the eyes. They'll give you lupus.
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 27, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn't I read . . . .
that you guys said you “left” this blog?? Why are you still arguing anything. Do us all a favor, go away.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
You might notice that the post was deleted.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 28, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
QR
Fans of our opponents are always welcome here and I enjoy it when the Duck fans do a fly by.
It’s June…we all need to fill some space before camp starts…a little sparring between the two tree forts in the neighborhood is always interesting.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 29, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Honestly
I think you guys are being a little hard on the qr, the way I read his opening statement was: “here is an example of a guy who got a second chance.” I don’t think it was an attempt to “defame” him. His history is a matter of public record, so he found an article that details his struggles. I recognize the article is a little inflamatory and sensationalistic as was the rest of that series, isn’t that what this is really about?
This thread has obviously gotten out of hand. Was Curtis Williams’ death tragic? Absolutely. Is he an example of a guy that started out on the wrong foot, then got a second chance? Yes. Why is it so dastardly to use him as an example? Let’s be real here guys, comparing Masoli to OJ? And Curtis Williams to Pat Tillman? Seriously? There has been a lot of not listening, and way too much reading between the lines in this thread. So is Jerramy Stevens truly fair game now? I doubt that. Every Husky I know is really sensitive about that topic too.
Just please try to recognize that there have been some pretty stupid statements here on all sides. All the hateful Duck bashing does go overboard on this board from time to time. I have said my piece, now I will leave.
Say what you mean, and say it mean. - Clint Ruin
Come On Guys
Can we stop all acting like 9-year olds for a second?
Quinn, you may not have meant to cause this and you may even be mystified, but the emotions of life are hardly logical. Curtis Williams, jackass or not, one-sided wifebeater or one of two violent individuals in a relationship or not- he died playing Husky football. He literally died playing for the school and team we love. Was he turning his life around? I have no clue and in this discussion, it hardly matters because he died playing for the team. Imagine if a Duck player who was a grade-A asshole off the field died wearing one of your many brightly colored uniforms. Do you truly imagine that you years later you would turn and say in a discussion, “That Joe Bob was quite the ass.”? No. And you wouldn’t suffer those who posted a hit article on him as if it was just business as usual.
You did not intend for this to happen. The only puzzling thing I see here from you and Duck fans is how some appear befuddled and confused. Chances are that someone here was at the game and maybe a few of us saw it on TV or heard it on the radio. Something tells me if Masoli was somehow allowed back on the team or any other Duck player who has had serious, grade-a issues in their personal life died playing for the Ducks, your reaction would the same years from now.
Lear and fellow Husky fans who are hurling insults around: Please stop. Emotions may be hard to control but how you portray yourself now will be remembered long after the emotions are past. You don’t have to go down on Quinn and give him the afternoon delight, but this discussion stopped being reasonable a long time ago. I want the Huskies to crush the Ducks, but we shouldn’t fight each other as fans or disparage entire fanbases in moments of fury.
Good Points
Why are we so emotional about this subject? Probably from one Curtis sit in a wheelchair unable to move for one to two years, dying a slow death. Watching a guy lose his ability to play football, let alone move his own arms and legs, followed by losing his life, all of which happened in a very public format, can be a very emotional experience.
Insults: You all know it’s pretty rare for me to throw out personal insults, I’ve been on the blog for two years and can only think of two times I’ve “lost it” with people. Needless to say, this is one of them, and maybe the Duck fans should think twice before insulting dead Husky players.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Where is the edit button?
Meant to say: Probably from watching Curtis sit . . . .
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Bad economy again, huh?
That excuse is getting old!!
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
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