Expansion Questions
by T9ODawg on Jun 10, 2010 9:33 AM PDT
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PrintI'm curious as to what you all think what will happen with bowl affiliations if all these teams move around as speculated.Hopefully the Rose Bowl will stay as is. Will it mean the Pac ?? will get an automatic to the Orange bowl or some other bowl besides the Rose?
How will this affect the BCS if the Big 12 is no more?
Do the remaining Big 12 teams go into the MWC or WAC or some to each?
I doubt Tom Hanson would have proposed anything like this.
What will happen to CFB tradition?
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Based off of what Condotta reported last night – that the Pac-10 will lobby to have 2 automatic BCS bids after taking in the 6 teams from the Big-12 – I would guess that the Fiesta Bowl will come along with those Big-12 teams. Here’s a quick list of the bowls that have a Big-12 affiliation:
Fiesta: Big 12 No. 1 vs. BCS At-Large
Cotton: Big 12 No. 2 vs. SEC No. TBA
Alamo: PAC-10 No. 3 vs. Big 12 No. 3
Insight: Big 12 No. 4 vs. Big Ten No. 4/5
Holiday: PAC-10 No.4 vs. Big 12 No. 5
Texas: Big 12 No. 6 vs. Big Ten No. 6
New York City (at Yankee Stadium): Big 12 No. 7 vs. Big East No. 4
The Pac-16 probably won’t get all of those Big-12 bowls, but it’s a reasonable bet to say that the Fiesta, Cotton and Texas Bowls would come along. And of course the conference would need to find new conference partners for the Alamo and Holiday Bowls once the merger happens.
What do you think of this?
I am assuming that the Big 10 becomes the Big 12/16 and that we get two BCS bids. I also suck with names, so bare with my idiocy.
Conference makeup:
PAC-16 EAST:
Texas
Texas Tech
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State
PAC-16 WEST:
USC
UCLA
Stanford
California
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
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Fiesta- PAC-16 East #1 VS At-Large
Cotton- East #2 VS SEC #3
Alamo- East #3 VS Big East #3
Texas- East #4 VS Big 12/16 #6
Rose- PAC-16 West #1 VS Big-12/16#1
Holiday- West #2 VS MWC #1
Sun- West #3 VS Big 12/16 #4
Las Vegas- West #4 VS MWC #3
Looks about right, though I would expect the conference would have at least 2 more bowls (one for each division). I would think that the Pac-16 would garner bowl slots for at least 10 of their 16 members.
The thing is that I highly, highly doubt the Pac-1634134123 will be successful in lobbying for two auto bids. We’ll see, but all the other conferences will be vehemently opposed, and rightfully so.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Jun 12, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Issue is
What happens to the Big-12s automatic bid? I’m about to make a post about what I think will happen in a few years, and I think it is very likely that the Pac-16, Big-16, and the much bigger SEC all get two bids while the remains of the ACC/Big East get one and the MWC gets the final one.
Yeah, I think there will be a shift in how these things are handled over the next decade or so as well.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Jun 12, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I also factored in the BCS trying to keep itself alive. If the Pac-16, Big 16, and SEC with 16 teams all only got 1 BCS bid, there would be plenty of unhappy school presidents and eventually commissioners who would push for a playoff like never before. In order to keep that talk low, the BCS would likely give two bids to the power conferences. Meanwhile, the Big Atlantic(survivors of the Big East and ACC) would barely qualify for one, but the BCS would likely do it so as to not have the playoff talk start out East. Meanwhile, with the MWC stronger in my scenario and with almost all of the BCS Busters/Potential BCS Busters in it, the BCS gives them a bid.
All eight spots are ‘filled’ by conference bids, but with the championship game taking two of them, you have two at-large bids which therefore still allows for teams not in BCS conferences to get in(keeping them as quiet as they are now- not quiet at all, but marginalized) or for the second best(BA/MWC) or third best(SEC/PAC/BIG) teams that qualify for the BCS to get in.
7 Of The Top 20 TV Markets
That’s if the Pac-16 comes to fruition. With the exception of the Denver market, all the new ones are in Texas. You’ve also added four of the top 20 most profitable football programs, according to Forbes.com. This is all based on their criteria but still very solid additions. You’ve added some very rabid (south like) football programs.
Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!
Report surfaced
And at this point we don’t know how accurate or credible it is. A Missouri media outlet is reporting that Texas and Texas A&M are negotiating with the Big Ten. Meanwhile Oklahoma is in discussion with the SEC. Again we don’t know how credible this story is, but let’s not jump to conclusions.
Did we offer Colorado too early and folks pushed panic buttons? It’s highly likely…
All I saw was purple
I have zero doubt that Texas is kicking the tires at the Big Ten and the SEC – why wouldn’t they? They know they have tremendous leverage, so it’s in their best interests to explore all possibilities to find the best fit.
That said, I think the most likely outcomes are either Texas (and others) head west to join the Pac-10, or they remain in place and try to salvage the Big-12. A&M would like to jump to the SEC, but I think political pressure within the state of Texas will win out and they’ll join Texas with whatever they decide to do, and Oklahoma is also going to follow Texas (which probably means Oklahoma State rides along with Oklahoma).
Lots of...
…rumors in the air right now. I was wondering if you have a link for that Missouri media outlet?
Thanks…
I think that’s a little over wrought. Conferences have reconfigured and expanded and died for as long as college football has been around.
no that’s what I’m saying, It’s a cycle.
by mynameisdavid on Jun 10, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't understand why...
Texas A&M would rather be in the SEC. Can a Texas school really have an East Coast bias? If it makes them feel better we can have the game at Qwest field, home of the twelveth man.
"Anytime, Anyplace"
"Life is hard, it's harder if you're stupid." - John Wayne
aggie is, culturally, more like an sec school than a pac-10 school. can you imagine how out of place they would be in the pac #? Picture wazzu in the big ten, only weirder.
That's
a hard concept to grasp being a Coug Dad. I thought all land grant colleges=WSU assuming T A&M is a land grant college.
I have no idea how all this shakes out, I think tradition takes a hit if all this plays out. Let’s hear it for new traditions.
"Times they are a changin'!"
Change, one of the few things you can count on.
Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!
You might have something there Husky nav
It’s no secret Texas A&M is miffed about the usage of “The 12th Man” by the Seattle Seahawks and maybe they tie the Seahawks to the Pac 10 to some extent. If so, they really need to ge over themselves. It’s sort of rediculous anyway…
All I saw was purple
The entire basis of almost all Aggie traditions are tied directly in to their rivalry with Texas. Their fight song, err, war hymn is all about beating Texas.
They live and freaking die by their traditions. More than any college in the country. It’s absolutely bizarre and you’ll get to see it first hand. There are some neat ones like midnight yell practice and standing for the entire game. But the lengths they go to uphold the traditions is creepy. They actually cuss out people for not falling in line with some of them.
No female cheerleaders is the one that always made me wonder about some things down there. Even for basketball games, they have dudes leading cheers (or yells, as they call them).
And get ready for an absolute beatdown from hearing about their vaunted academics. That is ALL they talk about, since their football team is so weak. Gotta hang on to something, I guess. But that argument is circular and has zero relevance to much of anything.
I wouldn't mind if A&M headed to the SEC
They are an AAU school which is good but Tech is actually on cusp of achieving that also. No offense to Tech or the Oklahoma schools but all that really matters is UT Austin and Colorado in this equation…everyone else is just coming along for the ride.
by John Berkowitz on Jun 11, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Interestingly, Nebraska's an AAU school as well
though that particular distinction dates back to 1909, and thus might not say as much about the school’s current academic strength.
I was interested to note, in checking the list, that so is SUNY-Stonybrook. I know there are some strong schools in the SUNY system, but I hadn’t thought there were any that were strong in that particular way.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jun 11, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
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