The Monday Morning Wash
The University of Washington basketball program has been blessed since the day that former player Lorenzo Romar took over the program in 2002. Since that time the Huskies have been knocking on the door of the elite level of college basketball with consistent play and regular NCAA Tournament appearances.
Lorenzo is one of the good guys in the sport. His kids stay out of trouble, his teams win quite a bit more than they lose, and most importantly his players graduate. With the exception of an early recruiting miscue by Cameron Dollar his program is among the cleanest in the country.
Running things clean mean that his players, family members, and the assorted entourage aren't receiving special benefits to come to Washington. You come to Washington to play basketball at the highest level and prepare yourself for what comes later in life. If it isn't the NBA you still have the opportunity to obtain a degree from one the best colleges in the country.
During his career at Washington Romar has built up his program to level that gives him a decent shot to take his team deep into the NCAA Tournament. Taking it to the next level means you are going to be knocking heads with the Kentucky's of the world in recruiting. You are going to lose more than you win in that battle when it comes to recruiting.
Kentucky is college basketball royalty. The Wildcats have been to the Big Dance a record 50 times and have won 101 games in the tournament. They have been to 41 Sweet 16's, 32 Elite 8's, and 13 Final Fours. They rank second only to UCLA with 7 national championships.
Kentucky's 23,000 plus seat arena is packed every single night during the basketball season and the who's who of the region such as Ashley Judd can be seen at court side during games. There are also another million or so fans who aren't in the arena who are big time followers of the program. It is easy to see why a kid like Portland's Terrence Jones would choose to attend school there. Kentucky is the definition of big time when it comes to college basketball.
The flip side of the equation is that the
Kentucky athletic director Mitch Barnhart said that Calipari was honest with the team he inherited. Players were told up front whether or not they fit into Kentucky's plans. Either "we have a spot for you or we can help you go someplace else," Barnhart said.
Enes Kanter and Terrence Jones are probable one and done players according to the scouts. Perhaps trivial things such as graduation rates, degree's, and a stable coaching staff are not that important when an attainable goal is a multi million dollar contract in the NBA after a mandatory year in college.
We like to think that a kid has more value than just being a basketball player when he chooses to attend Washington. Quincy Pondexter is an excellent example of a kid who did extremely well on and off the court during his four year stay.
Q-Pon will likely be drafted in the first round of the NBA draft. He probably won't end up being an all time great in the NBA but he should be in a position to set himself up financially for the rest of his life. Even if the NBA doesn't work out he can always fall back on the degree he earned at Washington and the connections he made while attending school to help secure his future.
That being said the UW has attrition just like every other school. Kids leave in search of more playing time and others simply have been given the suggestion that they might be a better fit at a lower level program. That is how the game is played in the rarified air of perenial tournament programs.
One thing that a kid who commits to Washington can count on is that Lorenzo Romar is going to be his coach whether he stays one year or five at the school. Lorenzo isn't going anywhere and he honestly wants to retire at Washington. There aren't a lot of coaches out there like that.
At Kentucky things are different. The return of John Calipari in 2010 isn't guaranteed even though he has only been on the job for one season. Coach Cal has one foot in the bluegrass and the other in the NBA. Rumors have him teaming up to broker a package deal with LeBron James in Chicago or New York next season.
Despite the daily rumors of Calipari moving on there was something in his message to Terrence Jones which made enough sense to him and his family to renege on his commitment to Washington and attend Kentucky. Only time will tell if he made the right choice.
Life goes on at Washington despite the losses of Kanter and Jones Coach Romar is still thrilled with his three man recruiting class. He has a physical seven footer who can run the court and give him needed beef inside in Aziz N'Diaye. He has a pure shooter who can also defend in Terrence Ross who Kentucky also wanted. He also has Desmond Simmons who reminds him of Bobby Jones and Justin Holiday.
It is a good class that keeps Washington at or near the top of the Pac 10 in coming years. It gives the Huskies a chance to break past the Sweet Sixteen in coming years and make a run at the final four without selling out the soul of the program to get there.
Huskies Golfers Dominate
Washington never really has been an elite golf school. the weather in the Northwest isn't as ideal as it is in places like California, Arizona, or the Southeast. Despite that Washington has put together one of the elite golf programs in the country over the last decade. Washington has won two consecutive Pac 10 championships and won the NCAA Western regional recently by an incredible 29 strokes! The Huskies now move on to the NCAA championships in Chattanooga on June 1st in the quest for their first NCAA team championship.
Softball Team Advances to the NCAA Super Regionals
The Huskies beat North Carolina 2-1 in Seattle to advance to the NCAA Super Regionals where they will face 14th seeded Oklahoma in a best of three series at home starting on Thursday.
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The University of Washington Basketball Program
John,
Excellent assessment of the DAWGS Round-Ball Program; fair, accurate, and even-handed.
Keep up the fine work.
Dave Bloomer
UW ’78
Thanks… I appreciate the compliment.
There were a number of ways I could have gone with on this but I was fascinated with the abnormally low graduation rates at Kentucky.
by John Berkowitz on May 24, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
If youre looking at graduation rates
Marylands is still sitting at 0, too, I believe. The flaw in the grad rates themselves is the age of the data. There really is no perfect system to measure success in the NCAA. APR is probably better, but I’m not sure there’s a great metric for the data that’s relevant to the time period.
by Brian Floyd on May 24, 2010 10:42 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
WOW!
That’s an eye opener about their graduation rates. It tends to discredit the “student athlete” term. When winning becomes everything, those situations are going to happen, and with those kids, they’re probably just going through the motions till they jump to the NBA. If they were interested in really working for a degree, they’d probably choose differently.
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Jones
It isn’t a slam dunk that Jones or Kanter will qualify to play this season. Jones has work to do in the classroom and Kanter has some baggage that needs to dealt with from his time in the European Pro Leagues.
I am thinking that it might be a lot easier to get into Kentucky and stay in school there as opposed to UW. That could have been a contributing factor in the decision.
by John Berkowitz on May 24, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
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The NBA really needs, I think, to set up a real development league for those “one and done” type of players. If they don’t even want to go to college why force them to pretend for two quarters? I kind of liked the AZ recruit who went to Europe instead of pretending to be a student for a year.
I know they have a D-league but it should be siphoning off these kinds of players and leave college playing for those who have even a marginal interest in getting an education.
In my mind the only way to accomplish this is to create serious graduation rate requirements, stronger than they are now. Like if a kid doesn’t graduate the school loses that scholarship for four years.
Though I can easily argue against that using the student at the music school student who gets offered a professional job, or an acting student. Why should they stay in school if they’re ready for the real world? In other words I’m conflicted about this! The difference, I suppose, is that the arts students are actually students, I guess.
I really like how Romar is running the program and the success he’s had. He deserves more success and think he is heading in that direction.
Now if they would only call traveling and palming I’d like basketball again, but that’s a whole other issue!
The NBA loves the system the way it is
They get a year of promotion for their future stars at no cost to them. When a guy like Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose or John Wall is taken, the fans already are familiar with their game. And many players get exposed as not yet ready for the NBA in their first year in college, so teams have less risk in the draft. There’s no incentive for the NBA to change things.
21 Year Entry Old Rule
One and done is a joke IMHO. I don’t think it benefits the kids, the colleges, or the NBA. Ever since the advent of early entry the level of play in the NBA has fallen. It just simply is not as entertaining and precise as it once was. The missing ingredient is maturity.
There has been talk of a 21 year old entry rule and that makes a lot of sense to me.
Cassino has a valid point that the NBA simply likes things the way they are right now.
by John Berkowitz on May 24, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, but look at the big name players
Kobe (HS), Lebron (HS), Durant (1 year), Wade (1 years sitting out due to prop 48, 2 years of playing), Bosh (1 year), Garnett (HS), Rose (1 year), Howard (HS), Melo (1 year).
I’m not sure I’d classify the style of play being less entertaining as a symptom of early entry. After all, the straight out of high school route had been around before we even got to this one and done deal.
Really?
Look at how many teams used first-round picks on high schoolers that never made it. Those huge guaranteed contracts were wasted picks, and essentially were a hole in a team’s roster. I think that definitely hurt the product on the court. You can’t pay the Kwame Browns or Travis Outlaws or Robert Swifts of the world lottery money to have them sit on the bench, or worse, simply disappear.
Imagine a league made up of guys that had the college experience of a Brandon Roy?
I think maturity is the missing equation in the NBA.
by John Berkowitz on May 24, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Which is a flaw in the model of teams
For every guy like the one listed above, there’s guys like Oden (so far), and the ones you listed. There’s always misses in drafting, especially when teams decide to draft on potential (your Seattle SuperSonics). Making players sit in college another year wouldn’t do anything for that. Look at Daniel Orton this year. He averaged 3 and 3 for Kentucky, yet declared for the draft. Players are gonna think they can make it and some team is going to draft them.
And I forgot about Roy, like John said, too. The stud players in the NBA, for the most part, are either one and done’s or straight out of high school. Talent is going to be able to play and rise to the top at that level no matter what.
Don't get me wrong, either
I love college ball and don’t really follow NBA ball. I like the style of the college game and the way it’s played.
However, I’m saying it’s not realistic to think the NBA has any incentive to keep players in college for more than one year. The year gives them free marketing, but allows them to take advantage of it immediately. It allows teams to get a better picture of the kids and, in the case of one and dones, helps decrease the probability of busts. Every system has flaws, but since the NBA is running this show, they could care less if the college game and graduation rates fall.
The only way you’ll really change the system or the flow of “early entry busts” is if you change the guaranteed contracts. Guaranteed money gives players little incentive to know beforehand whether or not they’ll actually make it in the league. Why would you care if you know you’re going to get millions guaranteed to you for 4-5 years?
If you look at the NFL contract model (which has flaws also like no rookie contract scale) you see that teams have a greater incentive to make sure kids make it, and also kids have an incentive to make sure they make it. The NBA (if it cares about it’s overall product, which is debatable) needs to adopt a non-guaranteed contract program to go with it’s already good structured rookie salary scale. That will give more kids pause about whether or not to jump to the NBA and will increase the number of kids staying and maturing like John said.
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Yes, Daniel Orton didn’t have big time stats and would probably be a top 10 pick next year if he returned to school – or he could blow out a knee, again. He left UK based on where scouts and execs were telling him he’d be in the draft, not just on a whim. You can’t blame him. Even if he’s a complete flop he’ll earn a couple million dollars from his rookie contract. That’s worth a whole lot more than an entry level job somewhere because of a degree.
Only time will tell how it plays out, but he can then go back to school if he wants and finish his degree and still have earned more than an average college grad does in his first 10+ years in the work force. Hard to fault him.
by OferGophers on May 24, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I dont fault him at all
Its more a commentary on the system that a player can be drafted based on potential, even with the age restriction. If someone waved a large guaranteed contract in front of me, Id take it too.
by Brian Floyd on May 24, 2010 11:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t begrudge the kids a dime of what they make.
by John Berkowitz on May 24, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Not so much the maturity for me
I couldn’t give a bleep if the players in the NBA were 18. My problem as most fans problem is that we don’t know any of the players. High school ball doesn’t offer national exposure so a lot of the kids that came into the league took a long time to get to know. We knew Bird, Magic, Akeem, Jordan, and Dominique simply because most of us followed them during their college careers. They were mega superstars the moment they were drafted.
But these kids today I seriously have no clue who they are besides maybe Kobi, LaBron, and Dwayne Wade. I think the talent is still there amongst this generation’s superstars as compared to the older generation of NBAers. The point is we fans were able to get to know the players by watching them in college. But in today’s game not so much. The experts tell us they are superstars the moment they leave high school. But at the same point the experts are missing the point. I don’t want to be told some kid is a superstar, I want to see it unfold on the court- I, the fan, would like to come to that conclusion. The NBA could really bring back the older generation of sports fans if they adopted a 2 year removed rule, meaning each prospect would not be eligible for the NBA draft until after their sophomore season in college. I hate the NBA because I don’t have a relationship with the players. College ball back in the day offered that exposure.
All I saw was purple
can't emphasize this comment more.
I don’t know what you call it, character, I guess, but it’s established in those most important of the formative years, when you grow from a boy to a man. Different eras, yes, but man did college basketball used to be fun, still is, but with the added worry of egos. Regardless of how hard I think about it, there’s no good solution with all the money involved.
by hairofthedawg on May 25, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
There's a big difference in comparing acting or music to the NBA.
With the former, there is no cap on the number of people that can work professionally in those fields. It’s totally market-driven. With basketball, there are a set number of positions. For every person that enters the NBA, someone else has to leave.
Also, with the arts, “potential” will never make money. Either an artist’s product is good enough for people to spend money on it, or it isn’t. Every year, a dozen or so basketball players are drafted based on being good enough some time down the road as opposed to actually being drafted based on their immediate readiness.
I agree with Cassino, the NBA has no incentive to change the system, unless the product on the court suffers. That sort of happened 5 or 6 years ago, with the glut of high schoolers entering the league that ultimately flamed out. Mandating a single year of college has reduced that failure rate dramatically.
Graduation Rates
Great for Pondexter for graduating but shouldn’t you have also mentioned Kentucky’s Patrick Patterson graduating in 3 years? He returned to school when he likely would have been a lottery pick last year, busted his arse and graduated in 3 years and will still be a lottery pick most likely. I guess not because it doesn’t fit the storyline.
Do those graduation rates take into account (and penalize for transfers)? If so, that’s very misleading. In this UK class those who stayed for all 4 years graduated, and Patterson in 3. Jodie Meeks is in the NBA and back at UK taking classes this summer to work toward his degree. A few others (Derrick Jasper) transferred.
A lot of guys leave UK with a little bit left toward their degree to play professionally. That’s their goal and you can’t fault them for that regardless of what it does to a stat. They only have a finite period of time that their bodies will allow them to earn money. So, while Rajon Rondo & Randolph Morris might not have graduated, both are doing well for themselves and in the NBA. That class ‘06 graduated Joe Crawford & Ramel Bradley so that should be 50%, which isn’t a reflected number above so, again I don’ t know what these stats are.
How about acknowledging the guys who have played professionally and been successful but then return to school? In addition to Meeks, this year alone at UK has seen Ron Mercer, Wayne Turner and others return to finish their degrees.
Remember that graduation rate data is something like 7 or 8 years delayedt
Since they give players 6 years to graduate, the data right now is from the early 2000s and doesn’t take more present recruiting classes into account yet.
by Brian Floyd on May 24, 2010 11:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Good Afternoon
The one and done was caused by the players ass. not the NBA. They asked for and received in contract talks. They were tired of high school kids coming in and taking their jobs. It could change some this coming talks. Also a lot of this years kids were afraid of a lock out in the league which would make them wait another year. If they go now they would be paid through the lock out and not affected by a salary decrease which the NBA wants to institute
Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!
I think the NBA submitted a new labor plan that limited the amount of money available for rookie contracts, the players association wouldn’t have a big problem with it provided that whatever money saved on rookie contracts was made available (and spent on) veteran players.
The people more likely to have an issue with it would be agents looking to score big on the initial paydays.
The NBA has a slotted rookie scale
It’s pretty reasonable, the top pick is the only player who makes more than 4 million as a rookie. There’s no way that ever goes down.
It’s been around for a little while. I think the NFL is going to adopt something like it too in their next round of negotiations.
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Old Cat
Just want to tell you that we have enjoyed your posts over the last week or so.
by John Berkowitz on May 24, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks John
As you can see by my tittle,I’m way past the need to cause trouble or stir things up. I really like posting here and you have many fine members who have posted on ASoB. i have watched your teams play some. I really like coach Romar. We have DIRECTv and watch many games on the west coast. We get a feed back from one of our members(blue oregon) who keeps us abreast of your area. I’m a lifer here in Kentucky, never been west. Beautiful country, but I will die here I guess. It was nice of some of your members to invite us over. To make a bad situation better. I think we all have a better appreciation of each other. Go Huskies! & Cats
Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!
I actually might be in Maui during the basketball tournament this year. I think it will be interesting to see UW and UK face off earlier in the season
Kentucky is a nice place. I used to live in Nashville and have driven across Kentucky many times.
by John Berkowitz on May 24, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Ohh I think that if it is at all possible
there will be a UK/UW matchup in Maui. You know if the powers that be in a tourney situation have the chance to deliver a ratings builder (ie: game with potential drama and a background story) they will do whatever it takes to make that happen.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on May 25, 2010 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to agree
I think the matchup is a made for TV natural.
by John Berkowitz on May 25, 2010 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Kentucky vs. Washington
I want to see the game merely for the enjoyment of watching the matchup. This possible matchup should have nothing to do with Terrance Jones’ decision. We’ve moved on and the table is set for a very good run next season. Anyboyd hear the latest on Calipari to Chicago?
All I saw was purple
Nope, but he had an interesting and believeable explanation concerning the Jones saga.
by John Berkowitz on May 25, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Cal is staying. :)
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on May 25, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
One last thing
Looking forward to what I think will be the first meeting of our two schools in Maui!
Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!
Promise this is the last(today)
Cal has set up a game at the Rose Garden on the way to Maui.
Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!
Yeah, it will be nice for Jones to get to come home and play a game (and for any other NW guys on here) there will also be a game of Duke vs Oregon in the Rose Garden. Should be some good games in Portland this year.
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It's not great if you're a head coach in the NW
Coaches are promising our NW kids that they’ll schedule a game or two so that their family and friends can attend. Matt I don’t want to rain on your parade but you just lost a great in-state kid, where Calipari probably told him that Kentucky would schedule a game close to his home town or state. Coach K did the same, going into the state of Oregon and took two greak kids and both kids played for the Dukies in front of a packed Portland arena. It’s a recruiting tool, don’t be fooled…
All I saw was purple
I'm not sure what your point is crazi
But I can tell you Duke has used this “recruiting tool” for years.
He's used it all over the country, for EVERY player he's ever recruited.
He even scheduled the Great Alaska Shootout for Trajan Langdon, etc.
He finds games in the areas his players are from. It’s a classy thing to do..
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 26, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Parade?
Not sure on the point as usual either.
by John Berkowitz on May 25, 2010 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why is this not Green Rec'd!!!!
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 26, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
My point is...
Don’t think it is all hunky-dory when a kid leaves home for an out-of-state school and then has the opportunity to play back home with his team. It’s a recruiting tool to pry that kid out of your state from the beginning. Correct, coach K has been doing this for a long time.
Oregon has lost Kevin Love, the Medford kid to Duke, and now both Terrance Ross and Jones. That’s a lot of wins the ducks are missing out on. I on the other hand would be a little ticked off that all our kids have left and I’d probably be first in line wanting Ernie Kent fired too.
All I saw was purple
Kevin Love was out of Lake Oswego if I recall correctly
and he went to UCLA…Singler (EJ or Kyle, can remember which one) was out of Medford and ran off to Duke.
Either way, they seem to disproportionate amount of talent from Oregon.
Kyle went to Duke, EJ is at Oregon
Schools will always lose talent in their backyard. You can ask Duck fans, they never had a shot at the Terrences with what was going on in the program. Schools scheduling road games near a signees hometown isn’t new. Why do you think Oregon played Oakland University in Chicago?
I’m not happy that kids from Oregon have left to play at other schools (I’m even more unhappy that most of the kids didn’t even have Oregon on their radar as a potential choice). It never seemed to be a strength of Kent to recruit in his own backyard, and one thing I hope changes with the new coach.
On the other hand, I know these kids are a big part of their community and I am glad that once they’ve left they have a chance to come home and play in front of friends and family (all schools do it, and your deceiving yourself if you think UW or UO doesn’t).
Can’t do much about kids that have left already, just need to find a way to make them want to stay home in the future. As B Money says, there is a lot of talent coming out of Oregon and will be in the future (Wiltjer), and Oregon needs to do what it can to make them stay, the first step is being competitive in the Pac again.
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What's the feel about Altman among Oregon fans?
Do people think he’s the guy that’s going to be able to keep those players in state?
Not sure really. Altman has been a decent recruiter to Creighton (a small school in Nebraska for what it’s worth). I think winning and consistency will help drive more kids to stay in state. Winning and consistency will keep the new arena packed (after year one) which will keep it enticing for kids to stay home.
Altman is definitely a coach who can build consistency and work ethic into a program. Whether or not that will translate to the court and into the win column is to be seen. I’m optimistic, but it’s going to take a lot of work and won’t happen overnight (or in the first couple years for that matter).
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Did Kent build no work ethic?
I mean, I always hear these things like, “build work ethic” but I honestly haven’t met that many coaches that didn’t work hard. It just seems that something else got in the way along the way.
I know he got Ridnour a while back due to working hard and having a program where the people were working hard in it, vs. the tail end of the Bender years when everyone at Dub had just kind of given up/gone cruise control.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 26, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
given up/gone cruise control.
that’s part of the problem. The other part, is the style of play didn’t instill hustle and scrappiness in the players. The soft zone, no press, run n gun style led to more giving up then laying your heart on the line for the game.
I have a tremendous amount of respect for Kent, and thought he did some really great things at Oregon. His style had run its course, and Oregon needed to move on.
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It’ll be interesting to see – would Oregon be better served with a different style, like the deliberate Bennett-ball style WSU enjoyed under Dick & Tony, or the disciplined styles of Sendek at ASU or Howland at UCLA?
Romar has done well with his up-tempo style at the UW, and it has contrasted nicely with other styles in the conference, giving him a different angle for recruiting purposes. But maybe the difference between him and Kent is that Romar is still a stickler for defense and rebounding – it just gets hidden a bit as kids see the team running up and down the floor and maybe don’t think so much about the other parts of the equation…
I don’t have a problem with an uptempo style. It’s worked at a lot of schools (UNC, Kansas, Memphis, UK, Duke, etc). But defense has always been the backbone to that style. You stop them and it makes getting out and running a lot easier.
Altman doesn’t play the slow down style of Benett or even Sendak. His offense will push the tempo and look for its opportunity, he does focus on defense though. His pressing style, half court traps and keys on rebounding will be a welcome change at Oregon.
We’re going to have to give him a couple of years to get his players and guys he thinks can run his system, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised at what he’s done just in the first month of being there. Trust me, Oregon has a LONG way to go to catch up to UW, Cal, UCLA, but I think Altman was a good choice all in all.
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Regretibly So
For the kids its great when they choose a school outside the state and in return the lucky coach that lands them will return the favor by scheduling a game near home for them. I never said oregon and Washington don’t do this. I was just trying illustrate that this practice doesn’t come off great for the in-state school(s) who were also recruiting the kid.
All I saw was purple
You are making a mountain out of a molehill...
If playing in front of their home friends and family once a year for one to four years is all it takes to sway a recruit vs. 15 or so odd times if they sign near home…well, you have to wonder if “staying home/playing in front of friends and family” is really a priority at all.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 26, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the new arena will help Oregon keep more talent home over the next few years. Tough to say if you have the right coach yet too.
by John Berkowitz on May 25, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions

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