As a Husky fan, would you rather beat USC or Oregon next year? *Poll*
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 14, 2010 8:34 PM PDT
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PrintWhile discussing the merits of who would be the toughest opponents for the Ducks in 2010 (I ranked Washington 4th, by the way.), a discussion point regarding who the Huskies would rather beat next season came up-the Ducks or the Trojans? My compadre grimc31 claims that Washington fans would rather see a win over USC than a win over Oregon, which I disagree with wholeheartedly. He challenged me to ask Creepy Dog Central this question via poll, so we could find out from...Washington fans. So here we are. Feel free to explain your vote in the comments.
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I can't bring myself to type it correctly. My fingers would probably fall off.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 14, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Who do I want to beat?
I’d like to beat duck fans.
By the way, I was asking my two year old daughter today:
What does the cow say, she answered “mooo”
What does the sheep say, she answered “baaa”
What does the doggy say, she answered “woof, woof”
What does the duck say, my wife answered “guilty as charged”
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
by Lear Pilot on May 14, 2010 9:34 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
And when asked what Daddy says, she replied “Non-sensical bullshit.”
:)
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 14, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Comeback fail.
But… thanks for playing. Good spirit goes a long way.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on May 14, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I picked Oregon.
We beat USC last year, so it would be nice to beat Oregon this year since it’s been awhile. Plus the USC game is our 4th game, the Oregon game is our 9th game, and if we can only win one, I’d rather us finish strong than start strong.
by Mind of no mind on May 15, 2010 1:15 AM PDT reply actions
USC...
…is definitely the King Of The Pac and to knock them off gives you way more national attention. But we haven’t beat you guys recently, so I think it’s a toss up.
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You guys would really rather beat USC? Wow.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 15, 2010 3:37 PM PDT reply actions
So, you guys need to beat us to become the best, apparently. Might want to check the Pac-10 standings from last year.
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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 17, 2010 2:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
USC
Getting back on top of Oregon is not as big of a deal as banging around the Big Boys. Nobody outside of the PNW cares about the competition with UO. The battle with USC has national implications and winning carries a thousand times more prestige.
I'm not sure I understand this
USC finished 5th last year.
Oregon, Arizona, Oregon State, and Stanford all finished ahead of them. If you’re judging national implications, based on last years results all of those schools should be ahead of them.
True, that was a weird year
Well, except for where we finished. That was expected.
by Brian Floyd on May 16, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s easy to get caught up in the immediate, but I think people would be making a mistake if they assume that last year was indicative of a longer-term trend regarding USC. Even thought I’m not a big Lane Kiffin fan, he’s got a good enough staff and he himself is a good enough QB guru that I expect USC to continue being the top-dogs in the conference for at least a few more years.
Sanctions could change that of course, and I do admit that Oregon has narrowed the gap between them and USC, but I’ll need to see another year or two of the Ducks winning the conference before I consider them the program to beat.
Ducks haven't closed anything
It looks as if they have but it’s all scheme with oregon. Figure out the scheme and you stop the ducks. USC is an entirely different animal. They beat you with talent. Oregon beats you with scheme, much easier to slay scheme over talent.
All I saw was purple
People have been trying to figure out that scheme for a while now. And who’s to say that Kelly won’t be able to adapt and keep ahead of defenses when they do?
Besides which, the Ducks are finally starting to see some success in their national recruiting approach – their scheme is helping them close the talent gap as well.
I despise the Ducks, but I also have to give credit where credit is due – they have narrowed the gap between themselves and USC, and if USC is hit hard with sanctions, then the door is wide open for Oregon to vault past them.
For next year?
Oregon, if only so we can say we finally beat them this millennium.
(Yes, I’m exaggerating slightly)
Let's be honest, we all know we want to beat Oregon.
… they already know it, so we are not empowering Duck fan by acknowledging it. The fact that a middle tier program with a gimmick offense, a sugar daddy benefactor and a lack of Rose Bowl titles in the trophy cabinet has owned us for so long is an embarrassment that must end.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
middle tier program with a gimmick offense
I still don’t understand the term “gimmick offense” being applied to Oregon, or most any offense for that matter. What’s the gimmick to it? Speed? Out of the shotgun? The zone read? I don’t get why people think that the spread offense is a gimmick.
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Don’t pay him any mind – he thinks it’s a “gimmicky” thing that won’t have the longevity of a more traditional “pro-style” offense.
Unfortunately, a lot of people around here thing the spread option offense is a gimmick
Too bad they are wrong. There’s one thing that I’ve always liked about the spread option offense, it works very well. Last time I checked, he who scores the most, wins. Therefore, any offense that scores a lot of points is a good one.
Let’s look at college football strategy for a second: spreading out the field can be very successful and the option play can be very successful. I take my hat off to the guys who decided to put the two together. A well balanced (run and pass) spread offense is nearly impossible to stop.
I hate Oregon, but that doesn’t mean I have to hate their offense, just those ugly uniforms.
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"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
I think what Gekko is getting at in terms of "Gimmick"
Is that oregon’s version of the spread is not the customary style offense you see that often. In that regard, I to view it as gimmicky. Oregon is not beating folks with talent, they are beating folks with an unconventional offense that most folks don’t see that often, if ever. So if you don’t see it or have never seen it, how difficult is it to prepare for?
You guys see “gimmick” and you think trick plays. I see gimmick and I see an uncoventional way of getting something done. Yet the key to beatin oregon is finding a way to kill the duck spread attack. It’s rather hard to diagnose simply because I see principles of the spread, wing T, and the fly attack involved in that offense.
All I saw was purple
If their offense was such a “gimmick”, don’t you think that defenses would’ve found a way to at least slow it down by this point?
The fundamentals of what Oregon is doing is sound – spread the field & use misdirection to put defenses on their heels and have to cover the whole field. There may be some specifics of what Oregon currently does that defenses figure out a way to counter, but the principles are sound. It may well be that the way to counter what Oregon does requires rethinking positions on defense and what types of athletes you want in those positions – if that’s what it takes to slow down Oregon’s spread option, you’ll then see teams countering by switching to different offensive philosophies that exploit those changes in defenses.
Offenses innovate, defenses react and adapt and offenses change again. A lot of those innovations don’t go away completely either, like the shotgun, the concept of the option running play, spreading the field with 4 or 5 WR’s, etc.
Kirkd, that's a design based on "scheme" more the just relying on talent
Again you don’t see it that often. We see it only once a season. To slow it down requires a fundamental idea of a way to actully slow it down. The flow goes one way and the ball goes the other. The duck attacking points are all over the line of scrimmage. The duck spread is still relatively knew and thus hard to properly diagnose a leanging advantage in order to slow it down. But the more we are exposed to it, the better chance of figuring out how to stop.
The beauty of oregon’s spread is that when you finally think you have it under wraps, the ducks come up with an entirely new wrinkle or two. Thus we are back to square one. One thing I do know about Oregon’s spread. IT IS CRUCIAL TO STOP THE RUNNING GAME! If you can’t stop the ducks on the ground, then they have all their bag of tricks to throw at you. The key is to force the ducks into their passing game, make them pass more often then they want.
Again we aren’t looking at “gimmick” as trick plays. I don’t believe in trick plays because if you have the play in the playbook and it is successful then is it really a trick play? Oregons gimmicky offense is highly successful so to this fan, their is no trick plays in Kelly’s offense.
Meanwhile I would take USC’s talent over Oregon’s on any give day.
All I saw was purple
When I see “Gimmick”, I think of unusual and unnecessary. Oregon’s uniforms? Those are a gimmick. But I hardly think the type of offense Oregon runs isn’t unnecessary because it’s had results. As teams started to figure out how to play disciplined assignment defenses against Oregon, it gets adapted. (Reading Defensive tackles or inside linebackers instead of just Defensive Ends or Will LB).
Just as teams are still running the triple option today, I think the spread offense will continue to run in the future. It won’t make a big splash in the NFL outside of what it already has.
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In a nutshell
You said exactly what I said. And Oregon’s uniforms have had results too. Because they are so ugly, the college football world has had no choice but to talk about them, thus offering much exposure. At oregon their is always a meaning to the maddness. The gimmick offense has been highly successful, mainly because oregon executes it well and tradtionalists have yet to figure it out.
All I saw was purple
Except I argue against the term “gimmick” for the spread offense. Why? Because I don’t find it anymore “unnecessary” than any other type of offensive scheme. You also seam to point to the scheme as being the result of success, as if Oregon generally doesn’t have any talented players (I’m putting words in your mouth here, so please excuse me if that is not what you actually think).
Some teams have tried to run a similar scheme, and it’s been a crash and burn. Furthermore, the play calling and scheme adapts to the personnel. Dixon had a great arm, and he used it a lot. We mixed it up a lot more in ’07. Masoli had troubles passing, but he was pretty solid running and making the zone reads.
Oregon has become a benefactor of having some good national recruiting. I don’t know if Oregon’s relatively recent success it will last decades, years, or months. So discredit the talent if you want, it just makes you look silly.
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I'd take the talent of 20 other programs before the ducks
Yet the ducks continue to win, why is that? It can’t be the talent when I would take 20 other programs talents before oregon’s. So it must be by design. And I’m not following your “uneccessary” theory. Everything is neccessary or it would be scrapped, please explian in more detail.
All I saw was purple
So let me see if I’m following you – what’s to not like about a system that gets more out of lesser talent?
Why, when you can get less out of more talent?… cough USC.
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Unnecessary is factor of being a gimmick. So maybe you should find a new word? It probably begins with “Un-” like Unorthodox? Unique? Unusual?
And I don’t want to argue over talent, because it’s a BS argument that will degrade into some recruiting BS.. But if you really want to take the talent of 20 other programs before Oregon’s go ahead. Like I said, I just roll my eyes and chuckle. But I think it would be entertaining to see what these 20 other teams are.
And please, don’t mistake that for arrogance. There are several teams that I’d love to have some/most of their players. But “twenty” is probably just sensationalism.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-I-L-L-L-A-T-E-L-Y"
That same gimmick offense that your defense had some...trouble with last year? And the year before? And the year before that?
You get the picture.
¡Viva los Patos!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 20, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Again you seeing "gimmick" and react negatively
You see gimmick and you think trickery. I see gimmick and I see an uncoventional way of getting something done. Don’t take offense to the word gimmick. I realize folks get a negative vibe dealing with the word- much like “ignorant”.
All I saw was purple
I still think you're misusing the word gimmick, in that case.
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One game at a time
And if you follow that idea then you’d chooe USC too. Afteral the Trojans are on the schedule first. I like the idea of starting the season HOT because then you build momentum. Also with depth issues it is necessary to win early in the season. In the end if you don’t start out strong, then surely it can negatively effect your season.
All I saw was purple
Quit feeding the Oregon machine
Oregon is attempting to get on USC’s platform and this ill-advised poll is meaningless. It’s fuel for Oregon and does nothing for Washington. Some duck fan posted this in order to add fuel to the ducks.
When somebody says who would you rather beat between USC and Oregon, the answer is always USC! Look at the results of the poll (above), it tells me that Oregon fans are gaging how far the ducks have come with their program. Stop feeding it. USC should be cruising to an easy victory in this poll. And for the last time Oregon is not our rival, they’re just another football team we play in league play.
All I saw was purple
I really can’t even take this post seriously.
¡Viva los Patos!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 20, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
And for the last time Oregon is not our rival, they’re just another football team we play in league play.
That’s definitely not the impression what I get when I read the comments on this blog.
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Which I why I said...
I really can’t even take this post seriously.
¡Viva los Patos!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 20, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You (oregon) wants this to be a rival
I on the other hand would rather we get back to kicking your collective asses every single season. It’s not a rival and we don’t have any plans of striking a deal to give the game a name.
All I saw was purple
If you really think it isn't a rivalry, you are sorely mistaken.
¡Viva los Patos!
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 20, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't mind Crazi
He was dropped on his head as a child!
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
The only reason why we even discuss rivalries these days is simply because oregon was ticked off when Neiheisel allowed our team to jump at mid field on the O. Before Neiheisel this game was just your average run of the mill Pac 10 clash between the two schools. Since then a knight-led campaign has dumped a truck load of money into Oregon, Washington on the other hand was heading in the other direction w/ less emphasis on football. With that said is it merely coincidence that oregon has won the contest 6 years running? Once you consider all the facts you will then see that all this rivalry talk is speerheaded by duck fans. Traditionally the winner of the USC/Washington game has the inside track to roses, therefore if I had to vote, my vote always goes to USC. You guys own a decade of dominance. We own 2 generations of dominance. Historically this is NOT a rivalry. We are in the process of restoring our dominant legacy. What you see now in store for the Dawgs is merely the beginning of something great! The right coaching staff coupled with the fact that our beautiful but aging stadium is about to embark on a $300 millon renovation. Go Dawgs! WOOF!!!
All I saw was purple
Well that was a rambling post if I ever saw one.
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I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
Oh you’re just ticked because I don’t agree with you. Lately yes, the oregon game has heated up as noted above and I would love to beat oregon just as much as the next Husky fan. USC is king of the Pac 10, followed by Ucla and Washington (not in order). My vote is for USC.
All I saw was purple
What's there to agree upon?
I don’t care whatsoever if you personally don’t see it as a rivalry. I know that many people on both sides do, and the vast majority of Oregon fans do.
I was just saying that one massive paragraph was a little tough to follow.
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I have a Ropert is God™ complex.
And wait, what?
USC is king of the Pac 10, followed by Ucla and Washington (not in order).
So Washington and UCLA are the dominant programs in the Pac-10? Cool story bro…
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It's a heated rival of course...
But since we play a round robin schedule in the Pac 10, then I believe all Pac 10 games are rivals. When you play a round robin in league every single season w/ no byes then surely each league game is a rival. Now their are league games that mean more to us. The Apple Cup is for state supremacy. Traditionally the winner of the USC/Washington game has the inside track to roses. Other then those two in league games I view each just as important as the other. Please keep in mind that the goal is the Rose Bowl and to get there you have to win more league games then the rest of the field within the Pac 10. I agree, the oregon game has heated up in the last decade and it’s been awhile since we beat the ducks. Of course we’d like the streak to come to an end. We’ve been down simply because we de-emphasized football as a sport, we didn’t have the right coaches in place, and we surely haven’t had the right athletes to stop oregon since they went all-in on the spread. Times are changing at UW and it’s only a matter of time.
All I saw was purple
In terms of history they are the big 3
I know your only 17 or 18…but back before you were born…UW and USC ruled Pac-10 football for literally 30 years before that.
UCLA has dominated nearly everything else since forever.
I know that you guys used to be good.
I just think it’s silly to say “USC is king of the Pac 10, followed by Ucla and Washington.”
That’s like saying “The model-T is by far the dominant car in the United States. I mean, it hasn’t been driven since the late ‘20s, but it’s making a comeback since it was de-emphasized in the automobile industry.”
Look, I get that Washington was a dominant Pac-10 team many years ago. But I think crazidawg calling them a runner-up to the “king of the Pac-10” is just way out of date.
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Fair enough...
I took it more as a list of schools with the resources to dominate, as we’ve had that discussion here before.
Exactly. The Model-T analogy isn’t a good one. The reason why crazi asserts that UCLA and Washington are the next in line behind USC is because those are the programs which have the resources and advantages of location and academic excellence to always be a contender in the conference.
Oregon has built up quite the program in the last 15 years, and they’ll get a lot of mileage out their recent success and the money that Phil Knight has put into the program. The longer-term questions are what will happen when Knight is no longer writing big checks to the department – will there still be enough money out there to keep Oregon at the bleeding edge of facilities, and will the allure of the sports marketing ties with Nike remain?
Washington has a long history of success based on a lot of natural advantages the school has, and as long as it has good coaches in place, the program will be successful. Oregon has a history of mediocrity; they’ve had a strong run of late, but will the things that helped that come about remain long-term, or in 20 more years will we look back and say their success was an exception rather than a new rule?
Model T is a bad analogy...
Because it has been since the industrial revolutions since the Model T left the Detroit assmebly lines. How about we consider the Camero as a better analogy. Let’s look at it from a different era. In 60s the Camero was the preferred muscle car. In the 70s came the black camero, which gained much fanfare from the hit movie “Smokie and the Bandit”. In the 80s came the new and improved version with the hit show “Knight Rider”. But in the 90s the Camero became less appealing because it was deemed a gas hog and a very impractical concept due to the design of the interior. The 90s version of the Camero is what Washington football has been going thru throughout this decade. But just when you think the Camero is dead, along comes General Motors with the new version of the car. Ladys and Gentlemen … meet Bumble Bee! It’s sleek, it’s fast, very fuel efficient, has a fundamentally designed interior, and has the same look as the muscle car of yesteryear (note our pant stripes are back). Sark is General Motors and Bumble Bee is about to be introduced as it was in the movie “Transformers”.
If you (oregon fans) believe it has been along time since Washington was dominant then you really need to step back and consider this: Washington owns more Rose Bowl trophies over Ucla, Ohio State, and Michigan. The only school that can boast about more Roses is USC. Secondly take a look at our cathedral-like stadium. It is the largest on-campus, university owned stadium west of Lincholn, Nebraska. We have had the resources to be at the top or near to the top since your Grandpa was a college student. Now I realize our national championship season is way in our rear view mirror, yet if you could go back in time duirng that remarkable Dawg run, Washington, Miami, and Nebraska were the 3 “it” schools in the country. Oregon is known as “Track Town USA” for a reason. The ducks for generations had virtually no shot at competing vs. the Dawgs on the gridiron. A Washington loss to oregon not so long ago was considered a major, MAJOR upset.
No disrespet to the oregon football program. 10 years ago Washington made some poor decisions in the athletic dept. and it killed all the buz surrounding this traditonal powerhouse. Woodward is making some very good decisions and the hiring of Steve Sarkisian will become the best hiring since a young Don James was hired. Enjoy your time on top or near the top. We hit rock bottom as a program 2 seasons ago and the only way out is up. Yet like Sark said, it will come fast and furious. I agree with his statement because we have the resources available to move up fast.
All I saw was purple
Crazi
No complaints with the analogy. I just have to mention that the “Smokey and the Bandit” car was actually a Pontiac Firebird. Just wanted throw that out before a troll tries to use that fact as the basis of an argument.
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I knew that
GM, Pontiac, Trans Am all different models, but GM owns all of them and the concept is more or less what I was getting at.
All I saw was purple
You don't get it and Oregon fans are loving it
This chatter is unuseful for Washington. Even if oregon has closed the gap on USC, what the hell do we care? And who gives a bleep if oregon’s offense is successful? This in not Addicted to Quack- it is the UW Dawg Pound and we should be chatting about Washington athletics. I realize and recognize that it has been a long time since Washington beat the ducks. And every season it becomes more of a mental block for our team, to a point that our team is beginning to fear the week of oregon. Don’t fuel it!
We have the right coaches hired and their job is to find away to beat oregon, it has to be a huge priority. We slayed USC last season and now is the time to slay oregon too. In order to get back to playing for Rose Bowls we have to take back the PNW and that means gunning down oregon, OSU, and WSU. I respect oregon as a football program, does that mean I have to like it? News flash: I wasn’t a big fan of Michael Jordan neither, but I had to respect his game. With that said I will never allow myself to consider oregon anything more then an average team, who we share one common bond with- we are both members of the Pacific 10 Conference. Washington is the pacific NW jewel and I won’t play any part of adding more prestige to oregon’s pathetic tradition of being a football powerhouse. It’s all new and exciting for duck fans, yet I doubt it has much shelf life and I won’t acknowleged oregon in order to increase their shelf life. I bleed Husky purple. This poll is meaningless to us and it is a constant reminder to all Husky fans that oregon is and obsticle we must find away over.
All I saw was purple
Exactly
You can’t use these polls simply because you don’t know who is actually voting on this crap. I respect the oregon football program, but I am not going to make this any bigger then it is right now. Even having this converstation is just fueling more and more national awareness for the ducks from the south. I recognize the accomplishments of what the ducks have done in the last decade. Is it a sore spot being a Husky fan? Hell yeah it is. In short if someone asked who I’d rather beat next season between USC and Oregon, it’s a quick short answer. USC is always the team to beat in league action. Traditionally the winner of the USC/Washington game has the inside track to roses. USC is my answer always. WOOF!!!
All I saw was purple
Traditionally the winner of the USC/Washington game has the inside track to roses.
It has? In the past 18 years?
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Oregon
I’d rather beat them, if only because we have been getting schooled by them for a while. The USC game is usually a good one, win or lose. I’m getting sick of the Ducks winning by three touchdowns.
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