All Conference Teams
by thecassino on Mar 8, 2010 11:42 AM PST
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Print1st Team:
Ty Abbott, ASU
Patrick Christopher, Cal
Landry Fields, Stanford
Quincy Pondexter, UW
Jerome Randle, Cal
Michael Roll, UCLA
Isaiah Thomas, UW
Klay Thompson, WSU
Derrick Williams, Arizona
Nic Wise, Arizona
2nd Team:
Jamal Boykin, Cal
Jeremy Green, Stanford
Calvin Haynes, OSU
Theo Robertson, Cal
Nikola Vucevic, USC
Honorable Mention:
DeAngelo Casto, WSU
Derek Glasser, ASU
Dwight Lewis, USC
Roeland Schaftenaar, OSU
Seth Tarver, OSU
Freshman Team:
Tyler Honeycutt, UCLA
Trent Lockett, ASU
Reggie Moore, WSU
Reeves Nelson, UCLA
Derrick Williams, Arizona
Honorable Mention: E.J. Singler, Oregon
Defensive Team:
DeAngelo Casto, WSU
Jorge Gutierrez, Cal
Justin Holiday, UW
Venoy Overton, UW
Seth Tarver, OSU
Honorable Mention:
Eric Boateng, ASU
Patrick Christopher, Cal
Marcus Johnson, USC
Nikola Vucevic, USC
Player of the Year: Jerome Randle, California
Coach of the Year: Herb Sendek, Arizona State
Freshman of the Year: Derrick Williams, Arizona
Defensive Player of the Year: Seth Tarver, Oregon State
Most Improved Player of the Year: Nikola Vuceviic, USC
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And QPon just won POW for the 5th time
a new record (and 5 times the amount Randle won). But I guess that’s not enough to warrant the POY over a guy who had a worse season than he had last year simply because his team finished a couple games back in the standings. What a joke.
Having said that
it’s a pleasant surprise to see that both VO and Holiday made the 5 man all-defensive team.
Both deserved too
I thought Landry Fields should have won POY mainly because he had the best stats and didn’t play for a solid team. But I would have been okay with Pondexter winning it too, it was a close race. I guess Randle won because they won the league, and maybe also because the guard competition was better (i.e. Q-Pon and Fields put up better numbers because of weaker opposition). I dunno.
Fields put up those numbers
On an abysmal team. Green was the ONLY other scoring option. Fields had the best stats, but QPon was the best player.
Quincy got jobbed, plain and simple.
by B Money on Mar 8, 2010 1:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know about jobbed
It depends on what you think is important. Pondexter played on a better all-around team and so had less pressure on him and easier opportunities to score. The counter-argument to “Fields put up those numbers on an abysmal team” is “Fields was the better of only two scoring options on his own team and therefore always faced the best defender.” Other teams gameplanned specifically for Fields, whereas UW had many good options.
One interesting way to look at it is through tempo-free stats, like those found here.
You can see that Pondexter was the better offensive player but Fields was better at rebounding, blocking, stealing, and assisting (and even A/T ratio). I think you could make a statistical case for either player depending on what you thought was important.
All this isn’t to say Pondexter didn’t deserve it. I’m just saying it was a close race.
You make a good point
It’s close, I will say they both got jobbed. Randle did not deserve it.
5 POW awards (a record) is what clinches it. I think he was also nominated and didn’t win at least once as well.
Even on his bad nights he controlled games and helped the team. I don’t know if that can be said about either Fields or Randle.
by B Money on Mar 8, 2010 1:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Check out Fields numbers
Admittedly, I hadn’t looked at his raw numbers. He didn’t have a bad night. All season long.
I still thought it was a toss up for all three of them and you could make a case for any one of them (I chose Pondexter, by the way)
Neither did Q really
Looking at raw stats yes. But a lot of those games he didn’t take many shots and hustle and leadership can’t be measured.
His FG%, PPG, RPG and A/TO were all better, all while playing 3 less MPG (than Randle). He took far les shots, and he never hurt the team when he had a “bad” night.
I’ll concede Fields should have been at least 2nd (co POY would have been fine with me). It’s just that Randle didn’t deserve it. He jacked up poor shots and when he wasn’t hot it directly hurt the team (see: game @ UW).
by B Money on Mar 8, 2010 2:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't disagree at all
Pondexter easier had the better ORtg and was an offensive force this year.
I could easily make a case for all three and I’m curious how close the race was this year
That is a cop out.
… this is a very easy equation. QPon won the POW honors five times. Never been done before in the history of the Pac 10. Each of the four guys who won it four times in a season won the POY award. There is no way you can dominate the POW award and not win the POY award – the criteria is supposed to be exactly the same.
Some will argue that Randle was the best player on the best team … but that is arguable at best. Two games in the Pac 10 standings does not cover up the fact that Cal has more debatable credentials than UW when the whole season is considered. H2H it was, at best, a wash.
Not selecting QPon as POY is really a shame.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
It's not a cop out at all
Like I said, I would’ve picked Pondexter but I can make a serious case for all 3 players that were involved in the discussion. Without Fields, Stanford probably wouldn’t have won a pac-10 game. Without Randle, Cal wouldn’t have won the season title.
ok.... and how many games does UW win without QPon?
… its not a very good line of reasoning.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
UW would've been middle of the pack
I forgot to add that in. It’s a wash that way too, but looking at it by POW isn’t sound, either.
I don't believe that pointing at POW awards is the right way to look at it
I’d rather make the argument that you should look at his efficiency (it was damn good) and argue that way. POW awards shouldn’t have much bearing and if that were the case, Klay Thompson should’ve been in the picture for winning 2 straight early. The argument can be made that because of how good Pondexter was offensively, he should’ve won, but just because he won some shiny awards throughout the season isn’t the argument I’d use.
Like I said, cases can be made, and strong ones, for all three just based on their numbers alone. The coaches decided to go with probably the best player on the best team. I don’t have a huge problem with it, but I can also make counter arguments as to why Fields and/or Pondexter should have won it.
I'm tired of the best player on the best team issue.
Brockman didn’t win the award last year – that went to Harden. And, if I recall, ASU was third or fourth in the pac 10 last year.
The coaches flat out snubbed QPon. Its really ridiculous.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
I don't agree with best player on the best team either
Again, I thought Pondexter should’ve won or at least shared it. I wouldn’t have been surprised if the votes were 4-3-3 or something like that. All three had good cases and it was probably a close race in the end.
I think Fields and Pondexter will be good at the next level…Randle not so much.
yeah - I'm sure Monty voted for someone like Ty Abbott in order to syphon off a vote from QPon
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
And actually this brings up a good point
Would you rather have coaches or writers voting, or both? Coaches, you have such a small sample but they’re probably more informed. Still, though, there are only 10 votes. Writers are less informed (probably) but you have a larger sample of voters.
Leave it the way it is
Coaches continue to vote (and cannot vote for their own players). But make the votes public. Hopefully that would eliminate any questionable voting.
I'm actually curious this year
Not because I think anything fishy went on, but because I think it was a close vote between the three.
neither. Let the league office select it.
Coaches can game it and not enough writers really have much insight.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
You're assuming the coaches game it
I highly doubt they do. It’s better than Larry Scott pulling a name out of a hat.
Quincy should have won
I think the POY should be on one of the better teams in the conference, but to give it to a guy just because he’s the best player on the best team is a joke. Qpon was definitely the POY of the Pac-10. Maybe it’ll give us an edge if we end up playing Cal for the Pac-10 tournament championship.
Personally...
I think Cal is in hands down. Arizona State gets invited if they win one game in the Pac 10 tournament. And I also think Washington will get invited if they make a decent showing in the Pac 10 torunament.
In years past, Pac 10 schools with an RPI in the high 60s and 70s have gotten the invite. Washington’s RPI is right now in the low to mid 50s and the comittees of past tournaments have favored RPIs. Why would this season be any different? Now I realize our league is young and looks terrible on paper, but Washington has some star power and that might persuade committee members to invite the Dawgs.
I agree though we are on the outside looking in. If we fail to beat OSU for a 3rd consecutive time this season- it’s NIT city, but if we make a decent showing in the Pac 10 tourney, then I think we’ll be invited.
All I saw was purple
Washington has a better resume and better Pomeroy ranking
One win won’t get ASU in. In my opinion, if both UW and ASU get to the semi’s, the winner goes and the loser is out
Agreed.
UW & ASU each need to win two games in the conference tourney. Unfortunately they’re going to meet each other and go head to head for the 2nd win. Hope the Dawgs can pull it out, and maybe even the tourney title…would really hate to have to watch them in the NIT instead.
Still all depends on how the auto bids shake out
But for the most part I agree.
I’ll say this though: Arizona State CANNOT get in without beating UW. UW may still have a chance without beating ASU, though I’d rather not find out.
UW would have a chance without beatng ASU
But if one or two surprise teams get auto bids, they’d be SOL.
Every season I tend to forget about the mid major automatic bid
And that could come into play this season. Last night St. Maries received the automatic qualifier, due to them kicking Gonzaga’s ass. Although it could potentially keep a third Pac 10 team out of the tournament, I Loved it!
All I saw was purple
Fields or Q pon should have won POY. Fields is 9th in the nation in scoring and Pondexter is one of the top in the nation at his position for points per shot. Fields never scored in single digits the whole year. Fields was ultra consistent Randle wins becuase he is one the pac 10 champs. Q pon will get the ultimate prize when he is drafted in the first round and Randal finds himself playing in Greece or Isreal. One thing not considered is defense in all of this Randal really is not that good of a deffender. Word coming out is that Terrance Jones is going to Kentucky not sure if it has been confirmed but has been reported. Looks like we will push for Aziz N’Diaye and maybe call that a class. The 2011 class is loaded wrotten bell chol brown pelle all having interest in UW.
interesting rumor that I thought held no weight untill I started thinking. On an local ESPN blog the writer hinted that Payton Siva might transfer back to the northwest citing UW Seattle U and Gonzaga as possible transfer destinations he did not name a source just stated that he herd from somebody close to the situation. I look at UL roster and Preston Knowles will start next year as a Senior at PG They are also bringing in a highly recruited SG a 95 on espn scale, but what I found odd was that Patino also recruited 2 other point guards in this class. Niether of which are recruited that high a 88 an a 85 which grades out to high mid major recruits. Why would Patino add average PG depth when he has a soon to Senoir and Sophmore PG’s this would give UL 4 PG’s next year.
Using that logic
UW wouldn’t make much sense as a transfer destination. Two years from now (after a Siva redshirt year) UW could theoretically have a senior Isaiah Thomas (4 year starter), a junior Abdul Gaddy (3 year starter), senior shooting guards Scott Suggs and Elston Turner, and sophomore shooting guard CJ Wilcox. Then you add in potential recruits like Tony Wroten and Gary Bell (would be freshmen) and there doesn’t seem like much space for Romar to fit Siva in, much less devote a scholarship to.
Wouldn’t get your hopes up on that one.
Seattle U would be interesting though
I’d love to see SU get back, and Siva would be a major step. As long as it’s not Gonzaga.
Why is he even rumored to be considering a transfer?
Is it purely because of the depth at Louiville, or are there other issues at play too?
I also wonder if he sours at UL how that will affect (if at all) Tony Wroten.
I had never even heard about it
There is some depth and he didn’t get a ton of PT, but that should change next year.
Wroten, by the way, seems like a crapshoot as to where he’s going. His twitter, on the other hand, is entertaining.
Wroten
seems to me like he wants to play in the Big East, and is just keeping UW around in order to appease the locals…
His "top 5" seems to change every single week
One week he loves Oregon, the next he loves UW, then UConn, etc. It seems like a shot in the dark to try to figure out.
What I do know, however, is that Gary Bell is very interested in UW and that alone would be a great get.
PONDER THIS
No QPON no BROCKMAN both outstanding players. Both of them the bedrock of their team.
Sounds like the PAC-10 sanctions are still in effect. Makes no sense at all elsewise.
Brockman didn't really have a claim to the award
Harden was far and away the most dominant player in the conference last year.
Oregon
Anybody else hear that P.J. Carlisimo might take over as the head coach of Oregon next year. Not sure if he can recruit but he has a name.
Yeah, heard that floated
He was a helluva coach at Seton Hall (so I’ve heard, a little before my time), but I’d imagine the game has changed quite a bit since the early 90’s, mainly in regards to recruiting. The man can coach, just don’t see the allure in bringing in a guy entering his 60’s.
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