Oregon update - Felonies and Misdemeanors
by John Berkowitz on Mar 12, 2010 6:45 AM PST
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Reports are coming in that Jeremiah Masoli's fingerprints were found on one of the stolen items and he will be arraigned today in court. There are also reports that Masoli has cleaned out his locker and will no longer be a member of the team. Official word on all of this is due to come out this afternoon.
If has also been rumoured that LaMichael James will not be suspended from the team even though he is expected to enter a lesser plea of harrasment today in court. If that one is true that will be a real head shaker which will be debated on a national basis.
Chip Kelly was expected to address the situation publically today but we have heard he will not talk to the media until next week and any communications today will be in the form of short written statements from the Oregon athletic department.
Kelly is in a tough spot but delaying comment on the situation only makes him look worse.
Bellotti said the distinctions would be between charges and convictions, and between misdemeanors and felonies. A felony conviction would result in dismissal from the team and loss of scholarship, he said.
That could give some indication of how coach Chip Kelly might levy punishment to his star running back and his star quarterback after Friday's hearings in Lane County Circuit Court. James' case involves misdemeanors. Masoli's involves a felony. Oregon Live Link
So let me get this straight...misdemeanors and fine and felonies are a no no?
So you can commit all the misdemeanors you want and still be on the team?
Wow!
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Kelly is getting off to a bad start
The Boise Debacle would’ve been an alarming situation for most young coaches. Despite the landed punch that was thrown, Oregon looked like a mess, a team with discipline issues, loss of control, lack of respect towards coaches- just a complete embarrassement all around. Hell even quack nation was apprehensive about the duck program under a fledgling young coach, who seemed arrogant, cocky, and self centered.
Then comes all the offseason garbage with players sitting behind bars and the inconsistencies leading to dismissals. Now we have two key offensive contributors in court today hoping for a good outcome. Meanwhile Kelly is probably consulting with just about everybody as to how to handle the possible outcomes. Do both Massoli and James get the boot? Or does Kelly keep both on the team, where they’ve become the loose cannon, wrecklessly irresponsible, outlaw program under Kelly?
Let’s just say that I would not be surprised if you saw both Massoli and James on the roster come fall. Loopholes are going to be stretched in both cases and it’s only a matter of time before this entire program comes falling down on Kelly, who has shown that he is both wreckless and dangerous in his approach to both discipline and structure with in his own program. Looking forward to it…
All I saw was purple
Couldn't agree more
I won’t be surprised when both players are in the starting lineup when the season begins.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Punishments
This whole misdemeanor vs felony stuff is a REALLY bad policy. Young guys like this (huge egos and lots of testosterone) need very strict guidelines for behavior.
I like Sark’s policy. Immediate suspension from team upon any charge (or direct report of a crime from the police) and then dole out punishment soon after that. I hope he keeps it up and is consistent.
Otherwise, you end up looking like Chip and Bellotti on this. No one can make sense of what their policies are.
DUI
Wasn’t one UO player already dismissed after a DUI charge? If so, then the Kelly/Belotti doctrine becomes you’re dismissed – but only if you’re not a star player.
by Gig Harbor Husky on Mar 12, 2010 9:22 AM PST reply actions
James just received
a ten jail term for his misdemeanor.
I'm tired of next year. Win now!
by wishfulthinking on Mar 12, 2010 9:29 AM PST reply actions
Apparently, according to some people
Masoli’s locker has NOT been cleaned out.
I’m torn on the LMJ situation. The harassment charge and misdemeanor feel like a 1-game suspension. It will always be a he said, she said matter where only two people will ever know what truly happened.
As for Masoli, I want him gone. Not just for being a complete dumbass, but for lying out his ass the entire time to teammates, Chip and everyone associated with the football team. If Masoli is found guilty of anything and not kicked off the team I will welcome any trash-talking about CK’s favoritism.
that's reasonable but debatable (as a father of two daughters, I get a little riled up at the thought of any physically superior male wrapping hands around a neck)..
… a suspension of some sort is clearly warranted for LMJ. the bigger issue is the implementation of a policy that demands accountability and treats everyone equal. It is the only way to truly implement discipline and a model for self-policing that every team aspires to have.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
My opinion on LaMichael James
If this happened to a Husky I would say he deserves a second chance. It looks like he did what he needed to up to the time of the court date to make ammends and move on. While his behavior was not what it should be it seems the actual facts concerning the brutality of it have been exagerated.
Should he be suspended a game or two for punishment within the confines of the team?
Absolutely.
Should he be kicked out of school and off the team.
No.
Would Sark show him the door?
Not sure, however it seems like Sark has been very non tolerant of this stuff. He has a pretty big decision coming up on Pulu.
Would Willingham show him the door?
Probably not based on the results of a couple domestic disputes his players were involved in. Would they see the playing field again during a game?
Very unlikely.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 12, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
I'd be concerned about James if I was a Duck fan.
From everything I’ve read and heard, he sounds like a decent guy that got caught in a bad situation. He sounds truly apologetic.
The problem is that this is the third time that he’s been in a bad situation like this. Yes, nothing serious came out of the first two, but the fact still remains that he’s shown a propensity to let himself get put into bad situations.
Like I said, I don’t think he’s a bad guy. But I think he might make bad decisions at a rate that’s a little too high.
I guess this confirms that the victim was in a "intimate relationship" with LMJ and was not someone who is "crazy" as someone on ATQ commented.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Not really
It never confirms the victim was his girlfriend. It was very vague in that sense. There was quite a bit of give and take by both parties. She grabbed onto him, she took his keys, he grabbed onto her, etc. I don’t excuse any of his actions and don’t agree with putting hands on a woman, but this really isn’t your run of the mill DV case and that should be apparent after reading the document.
so the statement that explicitly says they were in an intimate relationship is wrong?
… I didn’t realize there was ambiguity in that.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
There is
It doesn’t state whether it was current or past. They had been close, I don’t know if they still were or not
it said it was current, close and intimate
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
by Gekko Mojo on Mar 12, 2010 6:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The same one that was outside the court saying he wouldnt hurt a fly at his arraignment?
It was a weird, weird situation from the onset
by cougfan on Mar 12, 2010 7:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He said....she said???
Did you read the Register Guard Report? They said he was compliant and apologetic from the beginning and his former girl friend had nothing to do with it. Even the “not guilty” plea doesn’t change that because everyone uses that while they plea bargain. Despite all he did, it looks like he will spend no more time in jail while he picks up trash, new girl friends, and other ducks on the street. It looks like a sweet deal for him and Chippy can claim LMJ only harassed his ex and therefore should play.
Concerning Masoli, I commend you on your comments.
After I wrote my comment
I felt embarrassed after I read the court statement and figured someone would respond. I based my opinion on the Register Guard, whatever that is. Apparently they had not read the court statement or chose to ignore it; I hope they are more embarrassed than I am.
Concerning Masoli, I read yesterday that his locker was cleaned out, and also that that was false. If Chippy can remove the fingerprints off the stolen computer, both guys will probably play next year.
Nah, Masoli just plead out and I'd assume he's gone
I didn’t mean to ask the question in an attacking way. The court statement differs greatly from initial reports. While it is still not something that is OK, after reading the statement it’s not as bad as you would’ve thought after the initial reports when he was first arrested.
No problemo
Cougfan, I’m upset with the Register Guard, not you. Concerning Ducks and their fans, I want the UW to get better, not the Ducks worse.
I definitely agree
Id rather see teams beat each other on the field. The offseason issues everywhere are not fun. The fall can’t come quick enough….even though I know how bad we are
by cougfan on Mar 12, 2010 7:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for being responsible
Soooooo rare on the internet. I would’ve preferred “Ducks still sucks. When was the last Rose Bowl win?” Now I have to have some respect for you. THANKS A LOT!
by SeattleDucks on Mar 12, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
When you get caught speeding
It usually means you speed all the time.
Why would a guy like Masoli steal stuff? I hate UO but feel for their fans, I’d rather beat them on the field then in felony counts. IF Masoli had a good season he might get a look late in the draft or in free agency as a marginal prospect, with these CRIMES he will never get a shot in the NFL..
Here's how I see it
Masoli was asked what he did by Kelly and he (allegedly) lied. In addition to a felony charge, he talked to his coach and lied to him about what happened. That, to me, warrants dismissal and also sends a message.
In the James case, it seems like he’s maintained all along that the situation was what it was. I don’t condone putting your hands on a woman and he handled it wrong. He was backed up against a corner and reacted in the wrong way (see SeattleDucks link above). However, if I had to guess, he’s maintained his story since day one and told his coach what happened. His crime was reduced to the lowest sentence and I’m fine with the matter being handled internally (run til you puke everyday) and/or a small suspension.
Masoli?
I guess we find out later this afternoon.
Bellotti made it very clear….if it is a felony he is gone.
You think Masoli and his lawyer aren’t doing a little plea bargaining about now?
by John Berkowitz on Mar 12, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I think even if he pleas he's gone
From all indications, he told his coach “I didn’t do anything”. If that turns out not to be the case, I’d assume he’s gone.
Normally that would be the case but we are talking about a Rose Bowl QB and a coach who really doesn’t have control of his players. For all we know maybe Kelly was the guy doing the lying to cover up for Masoli in hopes that they wouldn’t have enough evidence to charge him.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 12, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
IF, as it seems,
Belotti is just now installing criteria for the level of infractions leading to dismissal. I think it is clear that this University, the Athletic department and the football team has very little Institutional control over this football team. When Sark dismissed Pulu it was for breaking “Team Rules”. He didn’t make us wait to see if Pulu could hire a good lawyer and get his charges dismissed or some sort of community service swap-for-jail-time deal before he dismissed him from the team. No. Team Rules. Evidently, this type of distinction was never established at UO. No wonder the players are doing what they are. Players seem to have no idea when they break a rule against team rules at UO, though common sense and good citizenery should help you make better moral judgements, one would think. But, when you have been protected all your playing life because you have superior athletic skills, well, then you tend to continue that behavior. But, Belotti knew what he was getting. Didn’t matter. ‘Just win, baby’.
This seems like a University with very little control. And, since they just now are deciding whether a misdemeanor level 2 is reason for expulsion, or loss of playing time, or nothing, compared to a felony 1, well, then, THAT seems like loss of institutional control
I must have missed the news that Pulu was “dismissed” from the team – all I’ve seen is that he’s been suspended indefinitely. There’s a difference.
Institutional Control
It has nothing to do with the behavior of players or the discipline they receive.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 12, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I--too--have a young daughter and was alarmed at the LMJ "nonchalance"
But after reading the sentencing statement, I can almost give LMJ a LITTLE wiggle room. The ex shows up at his door gets pissed, refuses to leave, and LMJ tries to carry her off the property. They have an argument, she grabs and breaks his gold chain, gets in his car grabs his keys, and refuses to give them back.
It happens, and LMJ lost his temper. I probably would have, too. I don’t condone his actions, and while from a competitive standpoint I’d love to see his butt gone, he DOES deserve another chance in my opinion, based on the legal document.
Doesn’t change my impression of Kelly…he’ll probably lead them to another Rose Bowl, but will also lead them to probation if UO keeps him around long enough. He’s an idiot and he’s arrogant, a bad combo for any school.
by Purple Reign 91 on Mar 12, 2010 12:33 PM PST reply actions
I think Bellotti and Kelly are what is interesting
They are not setting any logical boundaries for behavior. The football players are way too entitled in comparison to the rest of the student population. This level of entitlement breeds a feeling that they can do whatever they want and get away with it. The message the athletic department at Oregon is sending is loud and clear. Come here and you will be treated special, we willhave your back no matter what you do, and winning is all that matters.
That type of foundation is really flawed and over time it will result in probation because if the players act like that you can bet the coaches and boosters are bending ever rule they can also. Not a healthy situation at Oregon right now.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 12, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Can you provide an example of these logical flaws and gross displays of entitlement?
There is nothing tin James’ court documents that remotely supports anything you just wrote. If anything the testimony and apology letter discredit it. As for Masoli….he probably won’t play football at Oregon again….so tell me again what supports your argument besides your dislike of Oregon.
It has nothing to do with a dislike for Oregon. If this was happening at Washington my feelings would not be any different.
I wrote further above that LMG should be reinstated on the condition that he also receive some type of in house penalty in addition to the penalties and probation he is receiving from the court.
If you don’t think there is a sense of entitlement and special privledges in the athletic department at Oregon in regards to the athletes (in particular the football team) you are pretty blind. If you think that the above isn’t a contributing factor in what has happened to your program over the last three months i feel sorry for you.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 12, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Oregon has had 0 violations under Kelly's watch
Not sure how we are going on probation here. It’s not like we are going to J.J. Arrington’s house during the dead period and getting him to sign an LOI.
And for the most part this has been a healthy conversation until you throw around words like idiot and arrogant. So, I’ll be arrogant for a second:
2004 – 31 to 6
2005 – 45 to 21
2006 – 34 to 14
2007 – 55 to 34
2008 – 44 to 10 (with a healthy Locker)
2009 – 43 to 19
Thought I would interject pointless topics into this as well.
by SeattleDucks on Mar 12, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Not arrogance -Facts
So if you UO were to win the next 20 plus years in a row – UW would still own the series record? I thought so.
by Gig Harbor Husky on Mar 12, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
HAHAHAHA
Let’s just talk about the court proceedings. We have all Fall to shit talk about series records.
by SeattleDucks on Mar 12, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
A Little Wiggle Room?
… really? Somehow, I’ve managed to go my entire life without once putting hands on a female. I imagine most of you have too. The document says that he put his hands around her collar (interesting vague statement) and forced her against the wall. Imagine being the female in this instance with the star football player hovering in a menacing way. Who has the power in that situation?
While I would agree that he hasn’t warranted expulsion from school, I’d say he has earned a healthy suspension – one that should have started the moment he was implicated.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Violence against women
For the UO football program to accept LMJ implies condoning of violence against women as long as it’s not “too much according to Chip and Mike”
Wow. Protecting women from violence just took a big leap backward in Eugene.
Based on LGB’s on-field actions we know it’s not safe to taunt a defeated Oregon player. Now the community knows it’s not safe to bring women to Autzen.
by Gig Harbor Husky on Mar 12, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Have you read the court statement?
I think the general disclaimer is no one likes violence against women. Except LSU.
by SeattleDucks on Mar 12, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I definitely agree with that.
… I even think Chip wants to do the right thing. I just think he has handled this poorly.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Facts are Facts
Chip and Mike apparently condone it “to a certain degree.”
by Gig Harbor Husky on Mar 12, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Not at all
The facts are in that statement and they aren’t what was initially reported. It’s not condoning violence against women at all. This was a messy case from the beginning. I agree with Gekko, he wants to do the right thing. I don’t know whether he handled it right or wrong, but I have a feeling James told him the story in the court papers from the beginning. Perhaps he should’ve suspended him until today, but man the kid was getting screwed over from the get go, too.
Define getting screwed??
Like Gekko said above, most of us have never harrassed/abused/assaulted a woman, even though most guys here have been around twice as long as LMJ. His behavior was unexceptable, had he controlled himself, NONE of this would have ever happened.
I don’t feel bad for him, not even for one milli-second.
P.S. – Just because he made a statement under oath, that doesn’t mean it’s true. Every time there is a “he said, she said” issue, the truth is always somewhere in the middle.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
That wasn't his statement....
That was a statement from the courts written by the prosecutor based on the evidence he had. It was the prosecutor justifying why he was only charged with harassment.
I say screwed because he was labeled as everything under the sun from day one in this case and that turned out to be not true. He was unable to live in his home or go to class for the last (nearly) two months. That’s why I say he got screwed.
Neither party was innocent in this case. I’m not blaming the victim in this at all, but there was some give and take by both sides. He tried to leave, she broke his chain. He tried to get in his car, she took his keys. He shouldn’t have reacted how he did, but in the heat of the moment things like that happen. It was a nasty case all around.
If you play with fire, you're going to get burned.
I’m tired of hearing how poor LMJ was forced into this bad situation, the only person he can blame for his actions, is himself.
We’ve all had bad situations, the difference is we use self control. Obviously, I’m a pilot, any of these actions would end my career, no questions asked. So forgive me if I don’t feel sorry for somebody who doesn’t use self control.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
He didn't put himself into the situation
He was at his home and was forced into the situation. The (ex?) girlfriend came to his residence and tried to force her way in. He then tried getting her to leave at which point she grabbed onto his chain and broke it. He tried to leave himself and she took the keys out of his ignition.
How did he put himself into it. He screwed up, I agree, by not being completely calm. But really, with everything that was written in that document, I can also see why.
Give me a break
He put his hands on her, so he DID put himself into this situation. Try calling 911, it’s a great way to get rid of unwelcome people.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
This was debated this morning
She put her hands on him, he did the same. He should not have. I acknowledge that. If they had been arguing and he called 911, guess where he’d be? Probably in jail as well. Trying to leave was the best idea, putting his hands on her was not.
You're being unreasonable.
He put his hands on her when she would not leave. She broke his necklace. She then got into his car and grabbed his car keys and tried running away with them. Give the guy a break here. I’m not saying I would have handled it the exact same way, but in the end, there is something to be said for being able to put your hands on someone that refuses to leave your house.
Let’s remember that he was at his house minding his own business when SHE came over. What exactly do you expect him to do? He’s a kid and it looks like he tried to handle it without getting the police involved. After they fell to the ground when he got his keys they had no further physical contact – he does not sound like the kind of guy who goes around grabbing women on a whim to me.
Unreasonable?
The court system seems to agree with me. You don’t get sent to jail for 10 days for doing nothing.
Stop excusing his behavior, this is why these athletes keep doing stupid stuff, stupid people keep telling them it wasn’t their fault. In the REAL world, you get thrown in jail for this type of behavior. LaMichael James, I’d like to introduce you to: the real world!!
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Oh come on. If the roles were reversed or if a guy showed up to another man’s house and pulled what she did, I would be willing to wager that the intruder would be landing in jail.
Unfortunately it played out the way it did, but stop making him out to be someone he isn’t. Go read the memorandum and then try putting him in the same class of people you are trying to. You are letting your bias rule your thinking. Try to be a logical human being first, and a Husky fan second.
It has nothing to do with what team he plays for.
He has been sentenced to jail time, correct???
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Yep
He is guilty, that’s my point.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Are you hearing what I am saying? I think LMJ could have reacted more calmly to the situation, but in the end he is also in some ways a victim of the fact that he is a man and she is a woman. What I am trying to say is that if you take the gender out of this situation and just look at it objectively, I do not think he deserves anything but a lesson in how to react a little more calmly next time he is in a tough situation.
I still contend that his jail sentence, as brief as it was, should not have even been a possibility. I also think Masoli should be given the boot. I’m all for strict sentences when it makes the most sense.
Yes I hear you
You are excusing his behavior. I am not.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
What I am saying is that someone showed up to his house unannounced, scared whoever else he had over, and then refused to leave. She broke his necklace and tried to take off with his car keys, a situation to which he reacted somewhat reasonably. I think there ARE other ways he could have possibly handled it, but I am also able to take a step back and realize that in the heat of the moment, it is tough to be a perfect human being.
I’m done arguing this. You are oversimplifying a complicated situation. The guy is not an animal and he did not actively seek out trouble. Just remember that she came to his door and instigated this situation and he initially asked her to leave in a non-violent manner.
Ya, I've read that EVERY time you've typed it.
HE committed a crime and pleaded guilty to it. He’s not getting screwed, he’s paying the consequences of his actions.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
But she broke his necklace!!!!!!!!
That makes it completely her fault!
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
netminder - are you serious?
have decades of gorging on explicit television and video games made you so numb to what that document says happened?
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Yes. That’s it. I like that you call me “cuckoo” but you two can’t seem to go a post without making childish remarks or throwing on about six exclamation marks to the end of your sentences.
Come on . . .
I used far more than 6 exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We aren’t the ones excusing criminal behavior.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
that is not what happened.
… according to the sentencing memorandum, he was “physically removing” her from the premises when she grabbed his necklace.
He initiated the physical altercation.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
I'm shocked, honestly!!
The guys over at ATQ actually think this isn’t going to hurt recruiting, and could actually help recruiting! Talk about being blinded by your loyalties.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
What do you expect from loyal biased fans
What do you expect from loyal-biased fans whose winning football program only dates back 15 years? Oregon is heading down a slippery slope and for the most part they don’t even realize the destructive patterns because they’ve never gone thru a winning stretch like this before. I say letem’ be blinded by their own greed. We’ve been there before and so has many other national elite football programs. You can’t stay on top forever, something USC is going thru right now. Texas has fallen before, Oklahoma, Miami, Nebraska, Penn State, Alabama, Ohio State, and Michigan is going thru it right now.
Let jail bird U fans think everything is on the up and up, they don’t realize it but they’ve peeked and are on the way back down. Washington on the other hand is on the way up and that has jail bird U fans worried.
All I saw was purple
I hate it when we agree . . .
but you are right on.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Put another way
So when did LMJ stop beating his girlfriend?
by Gig Harbor Husky on Mar 12, 2010 2:10 PM PST reply actions
(Insert chicken clucking sounds here)
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Hhmmm
I wonder if the “entire season” means all 12+ games, or if it means a Legarrette Blount “season”?
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
so we'll see Masoli back by the time the Pac 10 schedule starts.
… there is precedent, after all.
I actually don’t think that the LMJ suspension is horribly unreasonable. I just can’t believe some of the “she deserved it” garbage that I’m seeing on this site and at ATQ. Cougfan, netminder … crazy stuff.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Suspension
Masoli is going to be a senior, correct? Why suspend him for the entire season, just kick him off the team. That is of course, unless you are going to give him a chance to comeback. Here we go again.
Second game of the year: Introducing the starting Quarterback of your Oregon Jail-Ducks – Jeremiah Masoli!!!!!!!
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
We’re not saying she deserved it! You’re putting words in our mouth. What we are saying is that a situation got heated when she showed up and there should be some consideration when you look at what happened.
For the record, I think Masoli should be completely removed from the program. I don’t like what Chip did with him.
Recruiting
I wonder how many Pac10 coaches will be using this against Oregon when recruiting?
I’m guessing 9 out of 10.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
Not affecting Oregon recruiting at all right now
We are getting more interest from big time recruits now then we even did last year…nice try though
You are blind.
You’ve had 9 players get in trouble recently, 8 in trouble with the law. You might get interest, but parents aren’t going to like it.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
More interest from guys with questionable character
And the turmoil will continue ppilot. That’s just it Lear, parent’s aren’t going to like it. But how many of these big time recruits who are showing interest in Oregon have parents that truly want the best for their kids? Statistically kids who display poor judgement or have questionable character flaws don’t have the structure at home to make educated decisions for themselves.
This is only the beginning duck fans. Oregon’s big money athletics, particularly the football program have lost control of their athletes and for the most part it is due to questionable character flaws that they continue to recruit and the culture of “doing whatever the hell I want” entitlement will continue to fester in turmoil, eventually spilling over to an out of control situation that will eventually come to a header. Mike Belloti was a helluva football coach, but he is definitely showing us that he has no idea what he is doing as an administrator of athletics. I’d wager that both Belloti and Kelly don’t condone criminal activity, but they have shown us that they do in fact condone criminal behavior by keeping them on the team and enrolled at jail bird U.
All I saw was purple
Gender
Netminder. Perhaps the reason that gender makes a difference is that men (especially football players) are usually much stronger than women and therefore should be restrained from using their superior strength in confontations. For example UO shouldn’t be picking on New Mexico and Portland State … OH they are?
I totally agree. I think a guy like LMJ needs to learn to step back and realize that he’s the bigger stronger person in that situation. I’m not saying I like the way he handled it, but I can also put myself in that situation when I was his age and not totally expect that I would be an absolute diplomat. Please understand I’m not saying I think he did the best thing in the situation, but that we shouldn’t lump him in with someone with the wife beaters of our world. You can sort of see what I’m getting at, right?
I hope he learns how to deal with difficult situations, and I also hope he realizes that he is a big guy on campus with a lot on the line and if taking proactive steps in his relationships with women can help him avoid a confrontation (even if he wasn’t the instigator), he needs to do it.
And Glanville is going to totally turn PSU around. Look out.
Actually . . .
Portland State is now ran by a former UW football player, and I do expect good things from Nigel Burton.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
he was the instigator
The statement is very clear that he was physically removing her from the premises when that precious necklace was broken.
Oh, and he was cheating on his girlfriend. Sounds like its on him.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
by Gekko Mojo on Mar 12, 2010 7:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm glad I'm not the only one . . .
holding the guy responsible for his own actions.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
OK, what? Do you know James or the former girlfriend personally?
If not, seems like a huge leap to say that he was “cheating” on anybody. You happen to know for a fact that he and the victim hadn’t broken up yet?
I’m not excusing James for laying hands on the victim. But, like many, I also recognize that what he did is essentially the lowest rung on the ladder of domestic violence. Kind of like being ticketed for going 67 MPH in a 60 MPH zone. Against the law, but nowhere near as bad as going 90 MPH.
I think James has already suffered a sufficient amount of punishment for his crime given all of the publicity and the affect it’s had on his school situation given the court restrictions on him being on campus and how close to campus he can live.
I think Kelly handled it poorly – what’s the point of a secret suspension of James? He should’ve been publicly suspended. And I think suspending Masoli for a year is a major cop-out – why leave open the possibility he could play for the Ducks again?
But I think some of you are piling on James beyond what is called for.
If I showed up at your house, started arguing with you and then refused to leave, would you consider yourself the instigator by trying to grab me and remove me? Wouldn’t you be well within your rights? Obviously we aren’t going to see this the same way, but I think you have a right to put your hands on someone and use reasonable force in that situation.
by netminder82 on Mar 12, 2010 9:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You ahead
you’ll find yourself in jail pretty darn quickly, especially if that someone is a woman. It’s one thing to defend yourself, it’s completely different when you are the first to initiate contact.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
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I think under Oregon law you can use reasonable force to protect you and those in your property to remove an intruder. Obviously going above and beyond that force is what gets you in trouble, but I don’t believe that the act of initiating contact would land you in jail. Again, I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that is the law and I don’t think that initiating the contact is the determining factor on who is landing in jail. It is my personal belief that we should come down hard on guys who beat up on women, but that we should also take into consideration a situation in which the woman is the one to spark the entire situation and catches the guy off guard. There needs to be a clear delineation between those two situations.
I know that nobody should exactly be shaking in their boots when a woman who is clearly weaker than you shows up to your door, but I also believe that there needs to be the ability, regardless of gender, to protect yourself from a situation like that. If James, or anyone else in his shoes, lets her get anywhere near the person inside the house, all hell could break loose and we might be talking about a lot more than someone falling on a bunch of bark dust.
Either way, agree to disagree on the whole thing. It looks like the Huskies will find themselves playing in the tourney after their win tonight, so enjoy it.
by netminder82 on Mar 13, 2010 12:29 AM PST up reply actions
Look I brought my pitchforks and torches all this way
And I’m not leaving until I get to use them
by cougfan on Mar 12, 2010 7:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry . . . . .
if we don’t make excuses for criminal behavior.
"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"
What I learned today
You can commit a felony and keep playing football. However, if you lied to your coach about committing that felony then you need to be kicked off the team for a year so that you can learn not to lie. So if he hadn’t lied about being present at the fraternity that the laptops were stolen from, how many games would he have been suspended? Anxiously awaiting Canzano vs. Kelly Round 2.
Sweet.
First we had the Jail Blazers in the NBA, now we officially have the Jail Birds in the Pac-10. Stay classy Oregon.
by Mind of no mind on Mar 13, 2010 4:31 AM PST reply actions
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