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Pac 10 Recruiting Summary

The Pac 10 closed strongly on signing day collectively bringing in one of the better recruiting hauls in the country. Scout rates the Pac only behind the SEC in recruiting this season.

As usual USC lead the pack but they have some serious competition in Los Angeles now and into the future. Rick Neuheisel put together a monster class but the question is can he develop them over time and did he get enough balance?

Washington was impressive in its first full recruiting season under Steve Sarkisian. The Huskies are going to be force to be reckoned with going forward. Sark is following the DJ mantra...keep the best at home and steal a few from LA.

Oregon is thinking national. The Ducks made serious progress in that regard this season but they also lost some key recruits in state which was interesting to watch. The state of Oregon doesn't produce a lot of talent but when you lose three highly rated in state players to other Pac 10 schools it raises a bit of a flag.


1. Southern California

Lane Kiffin didn't have much time to assemble this class but his main job was holding on to what Pete Carrol left him and adding half a dozen or so players to finish it off. Kiffin finished with a bang signing OT Seantrel Henderson, LB Soma Vainuku, (JC) DE Marquis Jackson, TE Christian Thomas, WR Markeith Ambles, LB Hayes Pullard, OLB Nick Stanley, CB Nickell Robey, and C Giovanni Di Paulo during the final two days.

All toll the Trojans signed 20 players yesterday with an eye popping combined star rating of 4.15! As Pete Carroll once said the difference between the college and the pro's is you can sign as many first round draft choices as you want. Lane Kiffin continues that tradition.

USC will continue to put strong recruiting classes together under Kiffin but this was a year when UCLA and Washington let it be known that they were not going to let the Trojans grab every single player they want. Expect some epic recruiting battles in future years over LA talent. Also keep in mind that the Trojans are headed for probation this spring which will provide plenty of opportunity for competitors over the next couple of years.

(Late Wednesday — in a New York Times report — his father, Sean Henderson said Seantrel is not signing his letter of intent until USC appears before an NCAA infractions committee later this month apparently to get a feeling for where the investigation is headed. He has until April 1 to sign.)

2. UCLA

Rick Neuheisel put together one of his most higly rated classed as a college coach this season. Rick has always recruited well and closed strong but the exit of Pete Carroll helped in the building of this top ten class. The Bruins started the day in the mid 20's nationally and closed strong on signing day with CB Anthony Jefferson, LB Josh Shirley, S Dietrich Riley, DE Owamagbe Odidhizuwa, and MLB Jordan Zumwalt. All five of those players were headed in different directions last week so it is a testament to Neuheisel that he was able to steal them away from other schools at the last minute.

This class does have a serious weakness. If you are a Husky fan it is pretty easy to guess. The 24 man class lacks balance. Neuheisel only signed two offensive linemen. If you witnessed the struggle of the UCLA offense the last couple of years it all starts on the offensive line. The failure to address that in a year when you have 24 scholarships available is a major blunder.

Another problem spot on offense is at QB. The Bruins struck out at QB late when they lost Nottingham to Stanford. Rick had two big areas that needed to be addressed this season and they were not. That is going to hurt down the road. Lack of balance in recruiting takes years to correct. Just ask a Washington Husky fan.

3. Washington


This class may not have the overall star quality of UCLA and USC but it addresses almost every single need currently on the roster. As Nick Daschel of Buster Sports says this is a class that would make Don James proud. Washington brings in 30 athletes in a class that is the definition of balance.

The biggest need on a roster that has a lot of serious needs was on the offensive line. The Huskies signed seven offensive lineman who will be the cornerstone of this program over the next five years. Erik Kohler, Micah Hatchie and Colin Porter all received four stars from most of the recruiting services. Kohler was rated as the best OL in California by most of the services. You could see Porter and Kohler in the starting lineup as early as 2010.

This was the first time in almost a decade that Washington was in on some of the top athletes in the country going into signing day. S Sean Parker became the first Washington recruit to ever pick the school on a national TV show on signing day. Parker is a major get and will compete for a starting job starting next fall. The top safety in California was coveted by USC and Michigan.

4. Oregon

The Ducks pulled off a couple of surprises on signing day to help temper the losses of athletes to UCLA and Cal. Most thought DT Ricky Heimuli was headed to Utah or UCLA so when he picked Oregon it was a pleasant surpise for the Duck faithful. S Erik Dargan was another solid addition to the class. Most thought the four star athlete was headed to WSU.

Oregon was tenacious on the recruiting trail this season. They stole two players late from Washington to keep the fires stoked in the rivarly with no name. They also landed two of the top RB's in Texas in Lache Seastrunk and Deontae Williams. The Ducks have been  trying to go national for the last few years and while they didn't get every target they aimed for overall it was a commendable haul.

There are some holes in this class. Like UCLA they only landed two offensive lineman. That being said the two they did land are potential starters next year if there is the need. The Ducks only were able to land one DT and two DE's. Striking out on local talent like Owa and King hurts. the lack of linemen in the class is what swayed Heimuli to sign with Oregon. He craves immediate playing time since he plans to go on a mission. He will get that type of shot at Oregon.

5. Stanford

Jim Harbaugh put together another succesful class that was highlighted by stealing QB Brett Nottingham from UCLA during the final couple weeks of the recruiting season. The Cardinal recruits differently than the other Pac 10 schools because of high academic standards. Most of their class is usually put together before the holidays because of the application progress.

Losing MLB Jordan Zumwalt to UCLA was a major loss but as noted above stealing Nottingham was a more crushing blow for the Bruins. RB Rickey Seale was the only signing day surprise. The staff had been working on him for a long time but he waited to see where the chips were falling before signing with Stanford.

This class has decent balance but could have used a little more help in the interior of the defensive line. One thing that hurt the Cardinal this year was the loss of position coaches after the first of the year. Those losses made players such as Zumwalt start looking around. Harbaugh was able to preserve a good portion of the class but it had the potential to be better back in December before the vultures started circling.

6. California

The Bears went defensive this recruiting season and may have landed the best LB class in the country led by Cecil Whiteside, Dave Wilkerson, Chris Allen, and Nick Forbes. They also didn't forget the defensive line when signing such studs as Gabe King and Chris McCain.

This isn't a huge class for the Bears. They only signed 19 players so the lack of numbers held their ranking down a bit. Holes in the class are signing only two lightly regarded offensive lineman and striking out at DT. The Bears however are more LB oriented on defense so the lack of a true NT isn't probably that big of a deal.

Jeff Tedford is known in coaching circles as a QB guru but he didn't land one of the coveted gems this year. Austin Hinder is an athletic QB and was involved in the Elite 11 but he isn't the type of drop back passer that Tedford usually recruits. Maybe he is tired of having statues in the backfield. Hinder is kind of a project so it will be interesting to see how he develops under Tedford.

7. Washington State

Paul Wulff calls this the best class at WSU in the last 25 years so let the snickering begin. It is a step in the right direction for a coach on the hot seat. Like all WSU coaches he has to take some chances here and there so it will tough to really figure out the impact this class will have until we see how many of these kids actually qualify. Mike Price took plenty of chances and planted kids in JC programs. A couple of years later he would reap the benefits. Wulff doesn't have the luxury of having that much time.

OLB CJ Mizel was signing day surprise. The four star player fell to WSU after it became known that he was not going to qualify at Florida State or Miami. The trick now is getting him the help to get in at good old Wazzu. Aaron Dunn was the top rated TE in the state and the Coug's locked him up early. Jake Rodgers is another talented TE I like that WSU was able to sign. TE Asante Cleveland of Sacramento was a late defection to Miami.

QB Connor Holiday is going to be a good one. In fact he is probably better than anyone WSU has on the roster at QB right now. A huge area of need was on the offensive line and Wulff adressed it nicely by signing two big JC's who will be able to play right away and supplementing it with local boy John fullington from Belfair. One head scratcher on the final day was DE Max Forde defecting at the last minute to Idaho. You aren't supposed to lose people to Idaho.

8. Arizona

In the end the Wildcats were able to convince top recruit DT Kerifi Taula that Arizona was the right place to be. Taula kept flip flopping between UW and Arizona for about a month. A final visit the weekend before signing day sealed the deal. S Marquis Flowers was the other big name in this class. Keeping a local kid home was a boost to this class.

Overall this class isn't impressive to the average recruitnick. Not a lot of star quality here so Arizona fans better hope that Stoops and company did a good job evaluating diamonds in the rough. Losing their offensive and defensive coordinators hurt recruiting this season. Not being able to keep in state talent home is another problem they need to overcome in the future.

CB Jonathan McKnight and DT Sani Fuimaono were the signing day surprises. Washington took a look at both of these kids but filled their needs elsewhere.

9. Oregon State

Mike Riley has proven himself to be one of the very best coaches in the country. In fact a few weeks ago he passed on the opportunity to become the new head coach at USC. Corvallis has its challenges when it comes to recruiting but the Beaver staff are keen evaluators of talent. They pick diamonds out of the rough every year and they have a knack of polishing them into a unit that keeps finishing near the top of the Pac 10 every season.

This was the smallest class in the Pac 10 this season. The Beavs are only bringing in 17 players. They finished second on a lot of top recruits from California at the end of the day. That being said S Shaydon Akuna from Hawaii wil be a name that will be on the lips of most Pac 10 fans in coming years. Akuna is a flat out player and he was a big signing day pick up for the orange and black.

DT Fred Thompson is another solid pick up that most of the Pac 10 had its eyes on. DE Happy Iona who was an early steal from Washington but did not sign a letter of intent and is not expected to qualify. Sean Mannion is the QB in this class and I think he is going to be a real solid player in the future. He may get a shot to compete for playing time right away.

10. Arizona State

Dennis Erickson really needed a good class and he had to rally late to get into the top 30 nationally. As anticipated he went hard and heavy into the JC ranks bringing in six highly rated JC players. The coup was stealing JC OL Brian Schwabe from USC. S Eddie Elder and WR George Bell were the other JC headliners. Erickson is on the hot seat and bringing six JC players at this stage of your tenure is a sign of desperation. It is building for right now to save your butt rather than building for the future.

ASU did land a nifty looking RB in Deantre Lewis which should provide immediate help to a stagnant offense. Taylor Kelly from Eagle River, Idaho is the QB of the future. He is described as a dual threat QB with a very average arm. Erickson needed a big name signal caller this season and he didn't get a sniff.

Scout ranks this class in the top 30 but I am not buying into it. As we know from past experience at UW JC players are very hit and miss. First they have to qualify...OK...that is easier to do at Arizona State. Second they need to mesh immediately with the team and win starting jobs immediately to make an impact. That is easier said than done. Finally they have to behave and stay eligible once they hit campus which has never been a big concern for Erickson.

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Wulff cannot get out of his own way

From Bud Withers today

“I’ll just be honest; I think we’re very, very good recruiters,” Wulff said. “As these kids mature in the program, we’re going to look like good coaches, too. Whether we’re winning a bunch of games or having a down year, that’s not going to affect our recruiting.”

The continuation of the story and the spat between the Forde family and Wulff probably tells us all we need to know about the leadership of that program. WSU will probably win two games next season and the Coug faithful will give us all the same excuses as to why Wulff needs to be retained: he inherited a mess, youth and injuries. Oh well.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Feb 4, 2010 10:25 AM PST reply actions  

Wulff is on his way out

The new head coach at WSU resides in Moscow, Idaho.

Of course if Akey has another winning season somebody better may pluck him away.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 4, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

They are good recruiters

We won ONE game last year and were actually able to attract some talent to come play.

Their coaching, on the other hand, has been MIA in my opinion.

I’m not sure what the spat with the Forde family is, but I’m guessing they took it personally that he called out recruits for flopping on the day LOIs come in. Forde went to Idaho to play DE, WSU wanted him at OL.

The excuses, at this point, have nothing to do with youth and injuries. A coach gets 3 years to get his guys in, developed, and on the field (this is year 3). If they aren’t showing it, then it’s time to move on. The bigger sticking point has been money. We can’t afford to buy out Wulff and hire a new coach before the end of this year. Even with his low contract, we can’t take that hit.

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

This isn't the bash WSU thread

As Coug Fan says they won one game last year and were still able to attract some decent talent.

As far as the Forde family goes…hey…he made a committment and flopped on LOI day…that really lacks class.

Forde was actually very lucky to get a Pac 10 offer by the way.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 4, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

The approach by CPW apparently is to target kids with some upside but on the fringes ...

… and then to extract a false commitment by giving them an ultimatum. Of course an 18 year old kid is not going to know how to respond between the choice of a P10 scholarship now or holding out to see who else might recruit you. Then to have that coach act sanctimonious in the press by implying that they are not guilty of the sausage-making that is recruiting and calling out the player and his parents as being somehow morally bankrupt shows his lack of leadership.

This is not a bash cougar thread. But, c’mon, we all know what recruiting is. It is vicious, it is competitive and it is occasionally sleazy. Wulff needs to back off his holier-than-thou position in the press and focus on developing some sense of leadership for a program that all of us would prefer to see returned to credibility.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Feb 4, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I can see both sides….I think Wulff was an idiot for mentioning anything in public about it no matter how things went down.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 4, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

It's much ado about nothing

Forde flipping on LOI day was low, calling out parents of Cleveland and Forde was a dumb move. In the scheme of things, there’s worse things a coach can do in recruiting.

There’s some things that don’t need to go to the press and that is one of them, though

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed - and that is my point.

though I think it may be a bit more revealing about Wulff than you do.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Feb 4, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

We all know Wulff was a poor choice…it just needs to play out over the next 11 months.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 4, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

We're on the same page

I haven’t been on the Wulff train much at all. He recruits, but his coaching is suspect. The only reason I said don’t fire him after this year is money. That and Akey’s buyout just hit its lowest point, too

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Akey would be a great choice…but you never know with the Cougs.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 4, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Very true

I trust Sterk, but I don’t know if he’d be able to float the finances to fire Wulff and buy out Akey at 500K. That’s if Akey doesn’t redo his contract, something that he sounds like he’s negotiating now.

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

He's even said he does

He’s a guy that could do well as the head man there

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I see less fault in calling out Cleveland than Forde.

Forde was a fringe Pac10 guy that probably saw his best chances overall in improving and playing at Idaho.

Hardly a sin.

Not that I agree with calling out anyone, but I do think there are different degrees of “sin.”

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 4, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

so the kid goes to to idaho and his coaches leaves him for his original committed school in a year or so.
sucky kind of irony.

by PandG on Feb 4, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

"Best recruiting class in the last 25 years"

Oh B.S. coach! C’mon there’s been some really good classes that come to mind that were better then this haul.

What is Wulff saying when he says “best recruiting class in the last 25 years”? Answer: Give me a few more years to see this class mature. That statement was a stall tactic towards the WSU brass so he isn’t starring down the barrel of the rifle. Paleeze…

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 4, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Name them then

the 99 class was rated the same nationally but lower in conference and turned out well. The 04 was rated higher and was a bust of epic proportions.

Of course he’s going to praise the class but for us this is one of the best we’ve had on paper. He knows he’s under the gun and this wasn’t begging for mercy. He’s got a few guys that can play right away and has a year to show it.

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 4:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Wulffy is gone!

You can smooth this over anyway you want, but the fact is the WSU brass, alumni, boosters, and fans don’t like the vision of the football program under Wulff. I praise his courage to strike out on his own w/ his no-huddle spread offense, but it takes years to recruit in that direction. But the problem is, WSU doesn’t have much history in such offense, so it makes the recruiting process that much more difficult to haul in.

The bottom line is wins. If Wulff was winning he’d have a job after next season. But to compound the problem, Wulff’s offense is a mess, it looks akward, and it certainly is not pleasing to the eye. That right there will be enough to can him.

Cougfan, I think you’ve forgotten, I’m a husky fan so the thought of me naming them is out. Maybe I imbellished a little, but Wulff is not a very hot commodity in Eastern Washington now or anytime soon.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 4, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Really? We dont have a high tempo spread history?

Those years we were lighting it up was based on high tempo 5 wide spread offenses engineered by levi….whose still on staff. Wulffs offense is not that. Its a double tight no huddle offense.

I’m telling you that on paper its one of the best we’ve had.

Its no secret Wulffs on the hot seat but its not because of his recruiting.

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 5:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It was the West Coast Offense Cougfan

Multiple receiver sets, TE, and one-back formations crafted by none other then Dennis Erickson.

And I said nothing in relation to high tempo. Wulff and high tempo can’t co-exist and he’ll never get his vision of offense off the ground, at least not at this level. He’s small school fella. The sooner you realize that the better off you’ll be, because then WSU finally be able to go after a “real” coach.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 4, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

no it wasnt

It was a single back four wr and no back five wr offense. West coast is a completely different offense than what we ran,

Its also clear I don’t think wulff is the answer

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 5:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Not to get into an argument over this, but YES it was

It was a version of the West Coast offense in the inception of the whole damn thing. You have multiple receiver sets, TE, and one back. Levensellar took it a step further by utilizing one more receiver, which in turn lowered the offensive output of the TE. All he did was change out a TE for another fleety receiver my friend- not too difficult.

Why did WSU opt for more recievers and less emphasis on the TE? Good question. The reason has something to do with recruiting. You see it is much much easier to find scat back receivers then a bulldozing TE. Tight Ends don’t grow on trees, but you can find fleety receivers just about anywhere. All Levensellar did was change Erickson’s emphasis on the TE, thus creating a more sophisticated offense that could make for the big play. It’s the same damn thing minus the emphasis of the TE.

In the end that is the offense coug fans want to see back on the field at Martin Stadium. And I agree, because that offense Wulffy brought in looks dysfunctional, nobody is making plays, and the chains virtually stand still. I have to admit (being a Husky fan and all), but I thought Erickson and Price’s offenses were brilliant and very successful. Who allowed Wulff to screw up something that was brilliantly successful anyway?

Note: I mentioned TE’s don’t grow on trees, but fleety receivers can be found everywhere. Knowing that, how the hell is Wulffy going to get his hands on big time TEs? It’s like he is pissing against the wind on purpose.

The man has no clue as to what he is doing…

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 4, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

TEs arent hard to find

We had 3, 2 now, in this class.

I understand you feel it was a west coast and maybe parts of it were but a west coast runs and throws to open lanes. We almost exclusively threw and ran more of a spred offense. Think texas tech like. Bubble screens, jailbreaks, and vertical routes. I’m talking about the successful years here. West coast is under center, we ran shotgun. You just can’t call it a straight west coast offense

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 7:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh they are hard- jeez!

It just happens to be a bumper crop in the state of Washington this year in regards to the TE position. We don’t see too many of these lean TE years and if we do, Washington usually gets to them first because we use to be TE U!

And the stuff you say WSU is running now- EVERYBODY is running the same damn stuff out of their offenses. Screens are being overplayed by everybody and screens aren’t just related to the spread offense, you can adopt it for basically any offense out there.

All Levensellar did was de-emphasize the TE position to create a higher probability of making the big play and yes, it is much easier to find fleety receivers then a big time Tight end.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 4, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

And it worked brilliantly!

Trying to find 2 quality TEs is going to be a major hurdle every offseason. I just don’t think it is the right approach for WSU. Sure the state of Washington is known for putting out great TEs, but Washington usually gets them first.

I thought the Erickson/Price offenses were fundementally sound in regards to recruiting to WSU. You only need one featured back (not 2), one steady TE (not 2), and multiple receivers which come by the dozen!

I commend Wulff for striking out on his own and bringing in his own ideas. But at the end of the day, can he truly recruit kids to Pullman with the offense he brought? I seriously doubt it. Finding 1 good TE is hard enough in itself. You got 2 TEs this class and that’s good, but it was sort of a bumper crop for TEs in the state of Washington this year. Doesn’t happen every year.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 5, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The Max Forde defection speaks volumes

How do you lose an in-state, 3 star DT recruit to Idaho? What has the Vandies done over the years to convince Forde to sign elsewhwere? I mean this kid said no to a Pac 10 WSU program and signed with one of the smallest WAC schools.

I think the Forde defection is an indication that something is not right in Pullman. Honestly take a look at the situation. Was WSU recruiting any other big time DTs? Forde was basically it and it’s not like they have stellar DT play in Pullman now. I think losing Forde is going to catch up to Wulffy. When the Cougs Dline cannot control the L.O.S. it’s going to come back and bite him on his buttocks.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 4, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

You obviously havent paid attention

First Forde wanted to be a DE and we wanted him as an OL. We have DTs we recruited and Forde was a stretch to begin with. Idaho told him he could be a DE. Also look at their coach and what they did last year.

Forde is absolutely not a DL answer. He’s a complete project. We have Rankin and Long there along with another jc dt coming in as well. I’m not sure why you think Forde is the end all be all but I’m telling you he isnt

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 5:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not saying Forde was a top notch DT

I’m saying they lost an in-state, 3 star DT to an non BCS school across the state line. And no I haven’t been paying much attention to the Cougs this offseason recruitment- please keep in mind that this is the UW Dawg Pound.

If Robb Akey is still at Idaho after next season, don’t be too surprised if and when Forde becomes an all WAC DE/DT. Hell I think Idaho did a better job recruiting then the Cougs.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 4, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Idaho didnt recruit better

You’re focusing on Forde and I’m saying its not a back breaking loss. I know enough about him to think his ceiling isn’t all wac on d line

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 5:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Wait until he get's acclimated to Robb Akey's defense

You should know, he was a great D coordinator for the Cougs not too long ago.

P.S. sorry for the sarcastic comment pertaining to WSU and Idaho recruting classes, that was not called for an I apologize for the comment.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 4, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Idahos D is not good right now

Wsu had a good d under, wait for it, Doba! Idaho couldn’t stop anyone and relied on offense. Akey is a great coach though

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 5:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Cougfan it's all about the players

I think Akey is a brilliant D coordinator. But the probem with Akey’s Vandal defenses is simple. He has very little to work with. Give Akey some D talent and Idaho would stop folks more routinely. Until he gets better talent, the Vandy defense will suffer.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 4, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh baloney

Didn’t WSU have three straight double digit win seasons during that run?

That was the greatest run in the history of WSU football…maybe those were the best recruiting classes in the history of the school.

I didn’t diss WSU’s recruiting class….I think it is fine….they can build with it….but is far from the best WSU class in the last 25 years.

Wulff is smoking crack.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 4, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

On paper....

That class was rated the exact same.

I never said anything about how it developed by on signing day the backbone class was the exact same in the rankings.

How it develops will tell

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 5:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

To clarify

I wouldn’t use those superlatives in regards to the class either. I think its one of the better but he’s using coach speak and trying to build excitement.

On paper only its one of the better ones but ask me again in 4 years. Like I said, 04 is a prime example of high rated followed by oh crap this is bad

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 5:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Can't agree

Now I know you are a coug bleeder and I can appriciate the excitement of what might be. But how much excitement can Wulffy bring? He’s dull, comes across at press conferences like he is talking in his sleep, the guy has no muscular activity in his face-particularly around his mouth because he hasn’t a clue as to what a smile is. With out a doubt the lamest, most boring head coach of my 35 years of being involved with college football. He takes home the top prize bud! The other finalist was Bob Toledo.

Wulff’s statement is all about buying time. He clearly doesn’t want to lose his job. I’ve got news for Wulff, win some games this season or you’re gone!

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 4, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

He shows plenty of fire

Pressers…not so much.

Look every coach is going to say they have a great class. It is what it is. Also, paint dry ty

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 7:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Pulling out the TW card now

Cougfan TW didn’t bring in a stellar class until his last official offseason at UW. Did he scramble in an attempt to save his job? Yes he did. Other then that last class the only other notable recruit was No.10. If TW wasn’t playing golf, he was in his office with a sandwich and milking away the clock until it was time to go home for the day.

P.S. I am not bashing WSU on this. All I am saying is Wulff is out of his league. He’s small school and it should be an embarrasment for Washington State University.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 4, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's keep cougfan's point in perspective...

… he is saying that “on paper” its as good as he’s seen. He might be right, but that is only before we risk adjust it for the JCs who may or may not pan out and, of course, the very risky LB from FSU who came in the last minute. Pardon me if I don’t find Wulff’s assurances that “he looked into his eyes” and saw a good kid. He doesn’t exactly have a track record in this regard.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Feb 4, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

Were sitting ok with qualifiers, with just a few known risks. The FSU kid will qualify and more than Wulff I trust who recommended him (devard darling). With any wsu class we have to take some risks too.

It should be well known I don’t think wulff is the answer and I don’t put a ton of stock in rankings. Once they develop, if they do, that’s where I judge

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 7:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Jon Wilner comment

Jon Wilner ends his recruiting rankings roundup post today with: “Now the focus turns to juniors as we sit back and await a secondary NCAA violation, self-reported by one of Carroll’s disciples.” Does anyone have any idea what he’s talking about?

by Scott Frost on Feb 4, 2010 10:57 AM PST reply actions  

It means start the countdown to recruiting violations

USC’s staff (Carroll disciples), should be self reporting secondary violations like it’s going out of style if the past is any indication.

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

What is means is USC is self reporting another secondary violation that happened during the current recruiting season.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 4, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks. I wish Mr. Wilner had specified a school. Maybe I’m being too hard on Kiffin when I say this, but I wasn’t sure he’d even self-report a violation if he thought he could get away without it.

by Scott Frost on Feb 4, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

All schools self report all the time.

Unavoidable things are always bound to happen.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 4, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

For anyone that doesnt follow EDSBS

I suggest you all start. Seriously good stuff

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 1:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

that gif made me get sick to my stomach

don’t know if it was the image or the movement. or the shifty nature of the picture…

by PandG on Feb 4, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh man, awesome stuff…

by kirkd on Feb 4, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

If you haven't been a reader before

keep it tabbed in your nav bar for SBN. Nearly everything they do is amazing.

by B Money on Feb 4, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Are coaches still allowed to contact him? Just curious.

by Juneautom on Feb 4, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a quiet period until April 14th

I believe that means one phone call a week and they can come to campus.

He’s not going to be reopening recruitment if he doesn’t sign until at least March, with the window closing April 1st. I say March because the hearings are in 2 weeks, plus another few weeks for anything to come of it.

by Brian Floyd on Feb 4, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

He is headed to Ohio State...

…if things don’t work out at USC.

His dad is a real smart guy…other parents should have done the same thing.

Of course when you are the number one recruit in the country you can call your own shots.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 4, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

watched a fair amount of Lemming yesterday

When it came to the coaches I couldn’t help but smile while watching Sark. You can tell he’s a players coach and is a glass half full kinda guy. The contrast between him and “the other guy” is night and day. We made the right move.
Things could be looking rosy with $C getting hit with penalties and fUCLA having a coach who doesn’t have the ability to learn from his recruiting mistakes. He has D talent but Walker is going to be missed. Neuweasel doesn’t work well hands on teaching, especially with qb’s and Chow is too cerebral for his own good imo. So they will suck again but he will get another year.
All of this plays into our hands for recruiting talent and beating them on the field.
Of course all of this means little until we beat the ducks, who’s M.O. is living one step from self destuction.
All in all, it’s good being a dog.

by PandG on Feb 4, 2010 12:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

My Pro's and Con's on Rick Neuheisel

You have to realize that Neuheisel has changed and grown up somewhat but this is what we observed while he was at Washington and Colorado.

The Pro’s

Neu is a great game day coach. Neu is a great recruiter. Neu is a great game day motivator. Neu honestly cares about his players. Neu cares about people in general. Neu is most often one of the smartest people in the room. Neu is a great people person. Neu can fire up your fans and boosters. Neu’s players love him. He knows the punch lines to every great comedy film made…he can recite Caddy Shack.

The Con’s

Neu isn’t detail oriented. While Neu is a great pitchman and closer he doesn’t spend enough time evaluating talent. Neu doesn’t watch enough film of the kids he recruits. Neu’s practices were a mess. Neu didn’t get the type of improvement that great coaches get out of their players. Neu’s roster is often imbalanced. Neu didn’t develop the type of respect a head coach should get from his players. They loved him…but he was a friend not an authority figure in the past. Neu doesn’t seem to be able to recruit a great QB. Neu was often the smartest guy in the room but he was often the guy in the room that showed the worst judgement.

Postive Changes

Neu had a huge problem telling the truth about anything at Washington. He suffered a death composed of one million paper cuts. It seems that has changed during his tenure at UCLA. He also was in the grey area constantly regarding the rules and that has been a 180 since he has been at UCLA. He has become more of a disciplinarian and that was absent in the past. his players seem to respect him more as an authority figure these days. He did a marvelous coaching job this season coaxing his team to a bowl game.

One thing that hasn’t changed is making sure he has enoug beef up front. That lack of balance is going to get him if he doesn’t watch out.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 4, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

well said john. imo opinion his ego is what limits his success. he was a great college qb yet very few of his progeny have anything positive to say about him as a mentor. i felt bad for Craft last year with the lack of protection he was given, making bad decisions and coming back to the sidelines with his coach’s disappointment in him the first thing that he sees.
he’s a finesse guy and with Walker gone i think they can fully realize what they are, which is powder blue, soft.
we throttle that team next year.

by PandG on Feb 4, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Great evaluation, right on

Usually someone mentioning Rick N is entirely biased one way or the other ; He is a lightening rod; you either love him or hate him. You have given us the most objective description of RN I have seen. Great job. Thanks

by thedesertdog on Feb 4, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure about all the pro's stuff

Smart as a whippersnapper that’s for sure, but I think he takes way too much credit for his gameday stuff by hiring great assistants.

Keep in mind before the Colorado gig, Rick was merely a QBs coach. He went from QB coach to head coach virtually overnight, and he’s never been an offensive coordinator. What sort of job did Rick get after getting canned at Washington? He became another QB coach in Baltimore. And what does that say about him? The Ravens have never been known for great QB play, if he was such an offensive genius, why has he never called an offense as an O coordinator?

Face facts, Rick is slick! He’s a brilliant salesman, he knows how to run a major college football program into the ground, and talks more smack to rivaling schools then anyone. Rick may have matured, but I think I am going to keep an eye open around Ucla in the near future. The Bruins nailed a HUGE haul on signing day, is the writing on the wall? We’ll just have to wait and see. But his track record for blowing up programs is too prevelent to overlook at this point. No on Neuheisel!

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 4, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Really....

How hard is it to recruit at UCLA? Really! C’mon….it’s a buffet!

by glider on Feb 4, 2010 4:01 PM PST reply actions  

All you can eat!

You just have to pick the right items….as usual QB’s and OL are staying away from Neu.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 4, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

How peculiar is that John?

Rick is suppose to be a QB-friendly coach and is more in tune with offensive football. But yet Rick has difficulty in signing QBs and O linemen. I’ve never been able to figure that part out on Rick.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 4, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

According to Cody Pickett he is a terror. Rick is known to be pretty tough on his QB’s.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 4, 2010 7:36 PM PST reply actions  

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