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The Monday Morning Wash


We spent most of last week going over different expansion scenario's for the Pac 10 and examining the problems going on with the Oregon football program. We actually start off this week with the same two items. Washington AD Scott Woodward says he thinks the league is talking to Texas and Texas A&M. He also talked about the future formation of four sixteen conferences which is exactly what we were talking this past week. It is one thing for us to kick it at around at the blog but it gains considerable traction when a Pac 10 AD talks about the possibilities.

Expect things to heat up between now and July 1st as far as expansion goes. Any Big 12 school that desires to move in time for the 2012 has to give notice by then or face stiff penalties.

Ducks move into first place in Fulmer Cup standings

As for Oregon the hits keep coming. Chip Kelly addressed the media with his solution to the Ducks current off the field problems.

"If a player doesn’t live up to the standards we have for the football program, then they’re not going to be here,'' Kelly said Friday. "But I’m also not going to follow our kids around every Friday or Saturday night so I can see what happened to them.'' From Oregon Live


I guess the question is Chip what type of standards are you talking about? A few hours later LB Kiko Alonso was picked up and charged with a DUI early Saturday morning. With that latest infraction the Ducks have now pulled into a tie with Duke for the lead in the Fulmer Cup standings. For those keeping score at home DUI's are worth two points.

The Oregonian also asks the valid question of whether Chip Kelly has instituted double standards while disciplining players. Some violators have been suspended. Others remain Ducks. Is there a double standard at work? One player he didn't mention at the press conference was QB Jeremiah Masoli who was accused of burglarizing a UO frat house.

Sunday was also bit eventful for the Ducks as Sr WR Jamere Holland was kicked off the team after he went off on his face book page in what was seen as a profanity laced challenge to Chip Kelly and the white race in general.

The post read: "How you (expletive) kick kinko (sic) off the team on some weak (expletive). ... he slipped up but ive been slippn up, and I'm still here, that (expletive) ... could damage for the ducks, that (expletive) is weak, weak (expletive), quote me."

After the post went viral on the Internet, a second post appeared on Holland's page reading: "chilln thinking of another status to (expletive) with the readers heads, I wish I could block whites as friends and only have blacks LOL, cause apparently I'm misunderstood."  Oregon Live

Deadspin posted the actual screen shot on their website. Not sure if you get any Fulmer Cup points for just being stupid.

If you're facebook savvy you can see that Darron Thomas the backup QB behind Masoli gave a thumbs up to Jamere Holland's status update.

University of Oregon President Richard Lariviere was quoted by the Oregonian as saying the conduct of the football team is simply unacceptable.

"The University of Oregon has clear expectations of how its student athletes are to behave both on and off the field of play. Lately, several of our athletes have fallen far short of these standards. This is simply unacceptable.

The University of Oregon does not tolerate inappropriate conduct from any of its students. I know Athletics Director Mike Bellotti and Head Coach Chip Kelly share my concern about recent events involving UO players and are working hard to address these incidents. I have every confidence that they will restore the UO athletic program's long and proud tradition of sportsmanship and integrity. Our loyal fans and alumni expect no less and neither do I.

The Oregon athletic programs long and proud tradition of sportsmanship and integrity?

Whatcha talking about Prez?

Trojans trying to avoid spanking

In other bad boy news USC met with the NCAA this week to defend allegations of a lack of institutional control in its football and basketball programs. Neither side are commenting on any specifics but the NCAA's lead investigator said it was the longest hearing he had ever been involved with.

There is a lot at stake for USC because the timing of their violations would put them in repeat offender territory which could technically hammer them worse. The administration of USC seems pretty confident but most insiders think the Trojans will come out of it with a bowl ban, loss of TV dollars, and a loss of scholarships. Whatever the penalty expect it to be over by 2012 when the new TV contract comes into force.

It would be pretty strange if the Trojans only ended up with a slap on the hand after an investigation that took three years to complete and a hearing that may have been the longest for the NCAA in the last decade.

Stay tuned.

Huskies Split

The Husky basketball team split with the LA schools and I would say the margin of error now is pretty slim when it comes to qualifying for the NCAA tournament. The Huskies play there last three conference games on the road and they need to sweep the Oregon schools and WSU to keep being taken seriously unless they win the Pac 10 tournament.

This week the opponent is WSU in Pullman. The Huskies blew them out with a great second half in Seattle earlier this year but was we know this team just isn't the same on the road. For Quincy Pondexter whose career is coming to an end it has to remind him of his freshman season at Washington. Expectations were high for one of the strongest freshman classes in the country but the struggles on the road doomed the teams tournament chances.

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To a casual observer

there appears to be a double standard at UO. The sheer volume of offenses down there in a short amount of time at Duckland supersedes anything I remember from Huskyville.

The Husky BB team is an enigma, you never know which team will show up.

by T9ODawg on Feb 22, 2010 6:46 AM PST reply actions  

It is a pretty bad stretch…not exactly sure when it will end either.

Some Tennessee Duck guy jumped all over me last week because I said more was to come….well I am still saying that today…more will come between now and spring football.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 22, 2010 7:13 AM PST up reply actions  

More did come

after you wrote that post. The Masoli thing hasn’t been officially put to bed, yet, either.

by T9ODawg on Feb 22, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Tennessee Duck is very distraught.

… which is understandable. He has clearly forgotten the lesson taught to us by Bob Whitsitt.: character flaws continue to plague until the characters are eliminated.

The truth is probably that Belotti had a pretty good control/support system in place which allowed him to take chances on a number of talented but high-risk kids. Just like any other job, the transition of that system to Kelly probably hasn’t gone so well. Kelly is still a rather new coach to the big-time ranks. He may still get a grasp on this issue. However, he can only get there by being even-handed and avoiding the trap of showing favoritism. He’s made two major mistakes:

1. not following through on the Blount suspension
2. showing a willingness to kick less important players to the curb without due process while taking a “wait it out” approach to his more important players

I have a feeling that his boosters and his president will give him the headroom to cut ties with troublesome stars even if it costs them a couple of victories. The typical Oregonian (myself included) remembers the Jail-Blazer years and won’t tolerate going down that road with UO.

The lesson to all other coaches is pretty clear. It’s ok to take a chance on a couple of high-risk kids in any one year – but too many of them can really backfire on you. UO is probably guilty of becoming too reliant on questionable characters in building their program. Its a shame, too, because it taints the vast majority of the program which seems to be made up of fine young people.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Feb 22, 2010 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Ummm, got some bad news for you . . .

The typical Oregonian (myself included) remembers the Jail-Blazer years and won’t tolerate going down that road with UO.

Sorry to be the guy to break it to you, but they are pretty far down that road already.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Feb 22, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

not really.

Kelly just finished his first year. He’s going to be given some leash. Oregonians will tolerate a few less wins if it means cleaning things up.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Feb 22, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Ya, but the laws are already broken

Doesn’t matter how new or old the coach is, the players are out of control. When Masoli and James lose their scholarships, then I’ll agree that the behavior isn’t being tolerated.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Feb 22, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

When Masoli and James lose their scholarships, then I’ll agree that the behavior isn’t being tolerated

Kelly will let the process play out. If James is found guilty, he’ll be gone. Nothing less will be tolerated from the fans. I find your hate on Masoli unwarranted, as he’s neither been named a suspect, nor even a person of interest, in the frat house case.

--Dave
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by Addicted to Quack on Feb 22, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not Hate.

Masoli was named along with Embry by the victim. The police refuse to comment on existing investigations. Until the police say the case is closed any questions about Masoli’s innocence is warranted.

"Anytime, Anyplace"
"Life is hard, it's harder if you're stupid." - John Wayne

by Husky nav on Feb 22, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Where do you get hate from??

Last time I heard Masoli IS a person of interest in that case. Do I dislike Masoli? Yes, he is a thug, which he proved beyond any shadow of a doubt when he did a double throat slit hand motion after scoring a touchdown.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Feb 22, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Calling him a thug for a hand motion just isnt fair

Last I heard, he was summounded before a grand jury. Since everything done through grand juries are secret, and a leak is a federal offense, we don’t know what’s true and what’s not,

Labeling someone a thug for a hand motion on the playing field isn’t right, though. He’s not the first and won’t be the last to do things like that in the heat of battle

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 2:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Come on . . .

Watch the guy for a whole game, his appearance, his actions, his mannerism, everything leads me to believe the guy is a thug.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Feb 22, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Hes cocky and plays like it

I want my players to have a mean streak on the field. Judging him by that isn’t the way to go. There’s plenty of guys that look like killers on the field and teddy bears off it. Not saying Masoli is one, just saying we shouldn’t judge by how he looks on the field

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 2:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

We Husky fans know all to well what a thug is.

Jeremy Stevens was a thug. We’ve had plenty of them over the past ten years.

I also want my team to have players with a mean streak, ON THE FIELD. The best examples, Dave Hoffman (now witth the Secret Service) and Steve Emtman (now a real estate guy in Spokane) are both great examples of “animals” on the football field and upstanding citizen off the field.

In a perfect world, I want players who will rip your head off on the field and act like Jake Locker off the field.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Feb 22, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely

I want them to have a mean streak off the field and be a good citizen off the field. You see why some players have trouble switching it off though? You’re trained to be violent, but its not easy to flip the switch off.

In no way does it excuse any off field incidents at all, but I see why its such an issue with football players everywhere.

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 2:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Ya, right . . .

you are just jealous of Oregon and all of their criminals!!

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Feb 22, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Ive got my own criminals to worry about

Oregon is still trying to catch up to WSU in the arrest race

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 8:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I bet WSU players read EDSBS

they know to do it during the season so they don’t get dinged for the cup.

by B Money on Feb 22, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah crap

Just as I write that I find out one of our players was arrested again.

On the bright side…..cup points!

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 10:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Jamal Atofau?

I saw that on Scout but couldn’t read the article.

"Anytime, Anyplace"
"Life is hard, it's harder if you're stupid." - John Wayne

by Husky nav on Feb 23, 2010 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Jamal Atofau was Arrested on 4th Degree Assault

According to the Pullman Police Department.

I have to be smiling this morning, CougFan.

I see the Cougs and Ducks are battling it out to see who is THUG UNIVERSITY.

I thought Wulff has or had control, I quess not, it just keeps rolling.

The Tunnel is Hallowed and Sacred Ground

by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 23, 2010 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

If anyone is "Thug U"

It’s Florida, based on the sheer volume of arrests. My players just like to drink and get in trouble for it.

Again, it’s the offseason and players do some really, really stupid things. Especially in BF nowhere like Pullman where there’s nothing else to do.

by cougfan on Feb 23, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

That'd be him

No idea what the whole story is on it yet, but it did look like some kind of brawl with the amount of police response.

by cougfan on Feb 23, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

i disagree

in the nfl it is a reason for an unsportsmanslike conduct penalty. there were quite a few $10,000 fines when it caught on. now you don’t see it.

there is a difference in being cocky and taunting or playing physical and taking a cheap shot out of bounds.

by PandG on Feb 22, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

It still doesnt mean someones a thug

I can tell you that a hand motion is far from the dirtiest thing that happens during the course of any game. Brandon Spikes happened to get caught trying to gouge eyes out, there’s a ton of jawing, etc. Its a violent emotionally charged game and things like that do happen. It doesn’t mean they are thugs, to me

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 2:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't hate Masoli

I think he is a great player and admire what he has done on the field. He hasn’t been named a suspect but the case is being examined by a grand jury so he is a serious person of interest considering there is a witness involved….whatever happens happens.

As far as being a thug….well he used to mug people in high school and was convicted for it and spent time in a juvenile detention center….he is what he is.

Once again I don’t hate the guy I wish him the best and hopes he doesn’t self destruct.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 22, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Kelly will let the process play out. If James is found guilty, he’ll be gone.

Takes some stones to wait to kick a guy off the team until you know whether or not his eligibility is going to expire with him in a prison cell.

by thecassino on Feb 22, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Lear and Gekko

You know I like you guys and am not trying to start s*it, but what would you rather have Kelly or anybody do? I mean, sure if we could go back in time I’d like him to stop this stuff from happening, but that isn’t possible.

Also, as hard as it might be, try and separate your fandom. Granted if someone named Locker in a theft I’d want him thrown off the team. But considering I could just as easily name Locker in a theft as the frat kid named Masoli, would you really want a kid suspended or kicked off a team for being named?

For LMJ, I think Kelly could suspend him pending the outcome of the trial, but really with LMJ under house arrest, what good would that do?

So my question is, what has or hasn’t Kelly done that you think he should have or hasn’t that would give you the impression that the program is heading down that road?

BTW, I really like Nick Daschel’s take on this

I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
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by Matt Daddy on Feb 22, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m sorry, but completely besides the point, Canzano is an idiot. Any blazer fan will agree. John Canzano is qualified to write about Brad and Angelina and that’s stretching it.

Still doesn’t answer my question. Unbiased, what would you have Kelly do? Call a team meeting? Hold press conferences and throw kids under the bus on punishments he’s handed down? What?

I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Feb 22, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

It is tough right now, Matt Daddy

We have been there and know the feeling of what is happening with your program. It seems like everyday something new happens. The press becomes your worst enemies.

The Tunnel is Hallowed and Sacred Ground

by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 22, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

In all sincerity, I could care less about the press. Most of them are blow hard tools that only care about making inflammatory statements that increase their ratings and market share. Most of them would write an terrible story about their children if they knew if would get them better ratings.

Hell, in this news environment where newspapers are being shut down left and right, I don’t blame them. Just don’t expect a free thinking individual like myself to go along with it.

I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Feb 22, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh BTW,

We have been there and know the feeling of what is happening with your program.

I know you have, and I have been incredibly impressed by how your fans have responded to what we are going through (save a few jabs here and there, which I expect).

Thanks to all Husky fans for being reasonable about what is going on. When Sark’s time comes, don’t worry I’ll be just as reasonable. :)

I smell varmint poontang. The only kind of good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Feb 22, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Sark is the second coming of Don James/God...

…UW will win the 2011-2018 National Championships and shortly after, Sark will be appointed Emperor of WA (which will immediately superseed Gregoire, who will remain in a role much like English Royalty).

The mere mention of any wrong doing on the team will garner a public caning and strictly out of fear/respect/awe, all players will stay 4 years and perform volunteer work in their free time.

Clearly you’re mistaken about the future of Husky football.

by B Money on Feb 22, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

UW will win the 2011-2018 National Championships

Let’s go for a winning season before we get too myopic.

all the things that make us F-in cry. It's a family guy!
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Feb 22, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

BTW Matt Daddy

With the way the things are going at the U of O.

A losing season IS on the horizon.

The Tunnel is Hallowed and Sacred Ground

by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 23, 2010 7:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see a losing season at Oregon…I don’t even see the loss of a probably conference championship at this point.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 23, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree – unless Masoli actually gets charged with and convicted of something, it’s likely Oregon wins the conference next year.

by kirkd on Feb 24, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

That was thick with sarcasam and satire

Just a really over the top and round about way of saying I don’t think Sark will have “his time”.

by B Money on Feb 23, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Thankyou BMoney

The Tunnel is Hallowed and Sacred Ground

by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 23, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I know B. I know you well enough to know that.

So was mine.

Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Feb 23, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry it’s my fault I forgot to use the sarcasm font :)

Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Feb 24, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

He's already dismissed some less important players with far less "evidence".

…. I don’t think I’ve suggested that Chip Kelly doesn’t want to do the right thing. I think that he does, in fact. I just think he has been inconsistent in managing discipline which shouldn’t be surprising for a first year coach. If I’m Chip Kelly, here are some of the things I’d consider:

1. Implement “no parole” policies for punishments. The altering of the Blount punishment was a joke. If you didn’t think you couldn’t enforce it, don’t dole out the punishment.

2. Establish a code of conduct with set consequences for violations. Apply evenly. Such code of conduct would include expectations for academics, personal handling and digital/spoken communications

3. Establish immediate indefinite suspensions for anyone accused of (where there is merit or credibility to the accusation) or arrested for a crime or a violation of University rules (final discipline can be deferred until all facts are in)

I’m sure UO probably has all of this already which is why I think the issue is around preventative support and enforcement.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Feb 23, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Matt Daddy

It’s too late, the damage is done, you are asking the wrong question. Don’t ask what is Kelly suppose to do, ask yourself: what DIDN’T Kelly do? Why is it that the football program is completely out of control? Why is it your players can’t stay out of trouble, even after a player JUST got in trouble. The problem is the culture surrounding the program, there has been a huge lack of discipline that is now coming home to roost.

The real questioin: What should Chip Kelly have done differently over the past year to PREVENT so many players from running wild??

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Feb 22, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

So Kelly should get in his time machine and go back in time and fix what he did? Huh?

I’m not here in denial saying, “everything is fine, don’t pay attention to the man behind the curtain.” I’m saying there are incidents that have happened. We can argue ad nauseum about what should or shouldn’t have happened, but in all seriousness that is irrelevant. You know it and so do I.

(Insert favorite life saying)

Life is not about what happens to you, but how you deal with it. So my question remains the same, what should Kelly do? Because as much as we might like to wax eloquently about what didn’t happen and done differently, we are all aware that these are kids that are able to make their own life choices (you’re school and mine) and the ones they have made are wrong. The only thing we (by we I mean Kelly) have control over now is how we respond to it. So how should Kelly respond?

I’m sorry to play hard here, but I think you have to be honest about this. Don’t avoid the question.

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by Matt Daddy on Feb 22, 2010 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Because as much as we might like to wax eloquently about what didn’t happen and done differently, we are all aware that these are kids that are able to make their own life choices (you’re school and mine) and the ones they have made are wrong. The only thing we (by we I mean Kelly) have control over now is how we respond to it.

This is a fair point, but beware leaning on this too much as a cop-out. The flip-side to your argument is it seems clear that some of these players didn’t fear consequences for their actions, and that rests partially on the coaches. Either they didn’t make clear enough what their expectations were of the players and how they would be held accountable for breaking rules, or they haven’t been strict enough in enforcing rules in the past to prove to these players that the coaches will not just talk the talk, but walk the walk.

The coaches also bear some responsibility for character judgment in who they recruit, as well as in how they help mold the personalities and behavior of their players.

None of us will ever know exactly how much responsibility Chip Kelly bears for what’s happened under his watch. It’s almost certainly not as much as his harshest critics would claim, nor as little as the biggest Duck apologists would argue. But he (and Bellotti) bear some responsibility.

And yes, it will be how Kelly responds to all of these incidents that will have the biggest impact – not just in how he punishes these players, but who he recruits moving forward and how he and his staff develop those players off-the-field. It is reasonable to expect that, moving forward, these kinds of incidents at Oregon will be the exception and not the norm.

by kirkd on Feb 23, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

If I could rec this a million times I would

Thanks Kirk, great points. Also, I am a Duck apologist but I’m also realistic enough to know that the coaches need to look themselves in the mirror as this stuff goes on. Wulff at WSU, Meyer at UF and Kelly at Oregon all have to be willing to say, I’m going to do better, this is on me too.

Time will ultimately tell if this is an exception or a rule. In the mean time I expect the coach to be just and consisent with the punishments that are dealt.

all the things that make us F-in cry. It's a family guy!
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by Matt Daddy on Feb 23, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

In the mean time I expect the coach to be just and consisent with the punishments that are dealt.

Indeed. If there is a legit complaint so far about how Kelly has handled things, it’s the perception that perhaps he may be playing favorites in his punishments. I think Nick Daschel sums this up well in his post yesterday:

“The James’ incident is troubling. Unless Kelly believes local authorities have been grossly unfair to James, he should lose his football program privileges until there is resolution. Of all the incidents in Eugene during the past month, it is Kelly’s biggest whiff. It gives his critics reason to believe the Ducks play favorites.”

Of course the reality is we don’t know exactly what happened with James and his accuser. And it could be argued that James is already experiencing a serious amount of distress over the case with regards to what the judge in the case has already ruled regarding his ability to attend classes and the NCAA issues of where he can stay while this case is being resolved.

Still, I think Daschel has a valid point in asking why James isn’t already indefinitely suspended from the team pending the outcome of this case, especially given how swiftly he’s dealt with other issues.

And the unfortunate thing about the accusations against Masoli is he can’t win – even if he’s never charged, there will be many that will wonder if he was in fact guilty, but managed to skate due to people behind the scenes trying to keep him him eligible.

by kirkd on Feb 23, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

With the LMJ stuff, I agree there might be a perception issue, as Daschel points out. But I also think Kelly could care less about perception from the media and fans (good and bad as that might be). My thinking is what good does it do to suspend James. He’s already facing worse punishment from the legal system and what good does it do for the school to pile on. If this was during the season, I might take a different stance.

And the unfortunate thing about the accusations against Masoli is he can’t win – even if he’s never charged, there will be many that will wonder if he was in fact guilty, but managed to skate due to people behind the scenes trying to keep him him eligible.

The only people I think that will be saying this are going to be rival fans that just want to make unsubstantiated claims to bolser their hatred of a school they already dislike. I doubt it will have any influence on players or fans already. That’s obviously just my opinion.

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by Matt Daddy on Feb 23, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree it won’t have much impact directly on Masoli, at least during the season – it will be a fan vs. rival thing mostly. But if there’s any legitimacy to the accusations, regardless of whatever happens in the legal system, it’s possible it could affect his NFL status.

Then again, I have my doubts Masoli will profile all that well for the NFL, so it may be a moot point.

by kirkd on Feb 23, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

But I also think Kelly could care less about perception from the media and fans (good and bad as that might be).

I think that if Kelly didn’t care he would not have gone on the radio and talked with Canzano

by Big Husky on Feb 26, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Very well said

Couldn’t have said it any better Kirk

by Big Husky on Feb 26, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I go to other teams boards

To obtain info on their team and to get a feel for the fanbase. On ADtQ I cannot believe how cavalier they are down there.
In the first ten posts or so less then half the comments show any concern or address the blog entry. Then the point is we are deep there and we’ll be ok. It’s unreal.

I mean we’re all homers but to be clouded in ignorance and arrogance is beyond me.
They love you down there too John, ha ha….

As far as the superconferences, it will lead to a playoff at the expense of tradional rivalries.

by PandG on Feb 22, 2010 7:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

ADTQ

Fans generally tend to ignore reality. That is why fan is derived from the root word fanatic which is also derived from the word fantasy.

I think Super Conferences will actually enhance traditional rivarlies. Think of four 16 team super conferences as really being eight -eight team leagues. For example the traditional Pac 8 schools would all be linked together.

I like the idea of a playoff and conference championships are the first step down that road.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 22, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Superconferences...

Eight 8-team leagues…
playoffs and conference championships…

For better or worse…sounds a lot like the NFL. Take some time to get used to it.

How long would it be before some geographically disadvantaged teams are no longer able to field a competitive super-conference compatible product and are forced to “franchise out” the football program at the mandate of the NCAA?

Today’s headline: “Donald Trump has purchased the Iowa State Cyclones football program…”

by Tunnelrat on Feb 22, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Question:

How long would it be before some geographically disadvantaged teams are no longer able to field a competitive super-conference compatible product and are forced to "franchise out" the football program at the mandate of the NCAA?

Answer: Never

by B Money on Feb 22, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

The traditional Pac 8 schools would all be linked together

The more I thought about it, the more I like that alignment.

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by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 22, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think that is true

… I get the sense that frustration is brewing there. They just want to believe that the staff can get their arms around it.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Feb 22, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

It sounds like their fans are frustrated

It also seems like they want to win, but want to win clean (like you said). I’ll reserve judgment until after everything continues to play out.

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Fulmer Cup...

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by jacobcda on Feb 22, 2010 8:15 AM PST reply actions  

It seems like Every Kid at Oregon that gets in Trouble has had some Type of Discipline Problems in his Past.

Maybe before they came to Oregon and/or at Oregon. From the outside looking in the double standard of discipline of athletes is obvious. To me, Kelly has failed the student athlete. MY OPINION

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by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 22, 2010 8:23 AM PST reply actions  

That is true of any kid at any school. If they have a propensity for getting introuble during HS it will carry through into college.

I think it is laughable to say that Kelly has failed less than one year into the job. The infrastructure was in place before he arrived and his first recruiting class hasn’t even hit campus yet.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 22, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Also laughable to say...

 that any kid who got in trouble in HS is more likely to get in trouble in college.

Bit of a sweeping generalization, no?

by Tunnelrat on Feb 22, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

What so laughable about that?

Anybody that has been in trouble in the past is statistically more likely to get in trouble again. That’s pretty common knowledge that applies to all parts of society.

For intance, get a DUI and your career as a police officer, Pilot or many other occupations is over, period, no questions asked. Players better realize it know, because the harsh reality is that you don’t get second chances in the real world.

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by Lear Pilot on Feb 22, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

No

Jeremy Stevens got in trouble in HS but skated because his Dad was in the school system and he was a “star”. It carried right on into UW and we have other instances of the same HS behaviors following the kids to college.

by T9ODawg on Feb 22, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Dr Phil Quote

A Indicator of Future Behavior is Past Behavior.

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by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 22, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

SEC quote

Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Your quote and mine carry about as much weight in this circumstance

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by Matt Daddy on Feb 22, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Ralph Wiggum quote

My cat’s breath smells like cat food.

by B Money on Feb 22, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

The Boise Editor thinks..

…that Boise state is a great fit for the Pac-10.

http://louisianatech.scout.com/2/948181.html

Pretty funny honestly, says they have the 2nd best football tradition (ahead of BYU and A&M)

by yearsago on Feb 22, 2010 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

Delusions of Grandure

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Feb 22, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

EXCITING

TEAM to watch. Second to Huskies. Love to have them for football Gonzaga for BB.

by Purpledawg on Feb 22, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

They're exciting sure...

but they would have lost a game (more likely 2-3) somewhere along the way. Every team in the Pac-10 (except WSU) would have a more than legitimate shot against BSU.

A BCS conference schedule will wear down a team, and when you play nasty teams, you get nasty injuries. They are talented as far as starters go, but they are so paper thin behind them that if so much as 1 key player goes down, it could cripple the team.

That’s what I hate about BSU fans is that none of them have realistic views of their team. They honestly think that if they played a Pac-10 round robin schedule with an ABC non conference that they would wind up undefeated and win 10 national titles in a row.

by B Money on Feb 22, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha!

Screenshot of Holland’s facebook page after the “block whites as friends” post:

http://i47.tinypic.com/2yukpdi.jpg

AMAZING.

by PhinneyDawg on Feb 22, 2010 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

He's still ranting on facebook

You’d think he’d learn by now:

“outside looking in now tell me what you see, ya don’t. my FB is being hit up like no other. I’m this, I’m that, call me what you want but it’s gone take more than crazy messages and an Oregon scholly to break me…Freedom of speech fuck it!!! Don’t exist”

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

His status is set to “victim”. COME ON.

by PhinneyDawg on Feb 22, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Changing by the second

Now its “sacrifice”.

This is almost painful to watch someone’s future fall apart in front of your eyes.

by PhinneyDawg on Feb 22, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

The crappy thing in all this

Is that he had the chance to make something of himself on and off the field and he pissed it away. Getting an education is going to be quite a bit harder without a scholarship and it’s going to be tough for him to make it on the field somewhere else, as well.

I also still contend that he needs a twitter account

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

The kid's...

…probably been coddled his whole life. He doesn’t live in the real world and now what a surprise, he’s been done wrong. A lot of these athletes are that way.

by doubledeucedawg on Feb 22, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a good point

Many elite athletes are in a different world than all of us and have been allowed to skate by much of their lives. Whether or not its the case here, I don’t know, but with a lot of athletes they don’t realize it until its too late

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 9:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

That's Why...

…a coach has to be a coach and not the kid’s friend. It’s very similar to being the parent of a child. Granted these athletes are adults but their has to be a clear set of ground rules and expectations.

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by dawgfan22 on Feb 23, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

did anyone notice during the Oregon-BSU game

at the end of the 1st and 2nd quarter after another 3 and out the camera was focused on chippy, alone, with the “deer in the headlights” look and there were players coming up to him and jawing at him? not the “wtf is going on coach” look, but not showing respect of the coach. struck me odd at the time.
he was the oc for a few years and maybe he was a players coach. sometimes it is hard to transition to the disciplinary position of a hc.

just like raising a child, discipline needs to be consistent and the message down south is showing none of that. as i stated in a previous thread Simms a walk-on gets cited for assault-4 and gets booted. lamike gets the same citation and we wait for the legal process to develop.

the message is, if you want increased playing time and you want to do some crime get motivated.

by PandG on Feb 22, 2010 11:01 AM PST reply actions  

Well, if anything can be said about Willingham, at least he didn't let the players get out of control.

Sark inherited a pretty talented and disciplined group. Willingham wasn’t the best recruiter and was a pretty awful strategist, but at least he didn’t leave our program in shambles.

by lailaihei on Feb 22, 2010 12:51 PM PST reply actions  

Dude...

0-12 is a different sort of shambles, but a shambles nonetheless.

by Tunnelrat on Feb 22, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with Lailaihei

it was coaching that got us to 0-12…shambles would be if Sark had zero talent and only managed 2 wins. Ty had zero gameday skills, and the team quit after his firing was announced. However, he left the cupboard stocked enough for a real coach to have success.

by B Money on Feb 22, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

That team was not 0 win talent for sure

The Locker injury didn’t help but they were probably a 3 or 4 win team talent wise in my opinion if they had decent coach and a healthy Locker

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 3:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Cupboard?

He had one good recruiting class during his tenure…that was it. The rest with the exclusion of Jake Locker was mediocre at best.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 22, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed...

but it was stocked enough for this team to be 5-7 and with the right breaks be 8-4.

I’m just saying that it wasn’t as bare as 0-12 would suggest. If Sark can go 5-7 one year removed from 0-12 I would argue about that being “in shambles”.

by B Money on Feb 22, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Cupboard was bare.

Sark brought the best out in the talent we had. There was no depth in the program. TY ran them off.

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by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 22, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not defending Ty...

lets make that clear.

I’m saying that if Sark can suck 5 wins out of this group, clearly there is some underlying talent, and as much as I wish I didn’t, I have to give Ty credit for finding some semblance of talent. “Shambles” is an overstatement if you ask me, clearly we’re no better off than when he got here.

WSU is in shambles, as I’m not sure any coach in the world could yank even 3 wins from that squad.

by B Money on Feb 22, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

0-12 was out of control

Players rebel in different ways….they don’t have to commit crimes.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 22, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Oregons situation now and ours under TW both stemmed from a lack of respect for authority figures IMO. Again IMO, recruiting a certain undesirable element that can play great football is not a problem IF the coaches project respect… that is I am not against giving people a second chance, if they have had run ins with the law but you have to be sure you can handle them.

by mynameisdavid on Feb 22, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think we can judge respect off a coaches first season, though

How he handles these situations as he finds out the facts will foreshadow whether he loses the team due to lack of discipline, or commands respect from the players. It could honestly go either way. He’s playing with Belotti’s players and is just one year into the job, which makes me think it’s too early to tell still.

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Oregon is getting hammered

How many off the field citations is this now? I aruged with a duck fan on this topic a couple of weeks ago and he thought I was delusional that Oregon has issues with questionable character. Is he out there? If so, please respond … I’d love to hear you defend the current culture in Eugene.

And I am with you PandG, I saw it. I also saw the smug and arrogance of Kelly when he was interviewed at halftime. There are some serious issues in Eugene and I for one hope the ducks continue to brush them aside. Because if they do, this thing is eventually going to explode!

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Feb 22, 2010 5:21 PM PST reply actions  

And then . . .

they can hire Willingham to “fix” their problems!!

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by Lear Pilot on Feb 22, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

WSU was actually worse last season…so it isn’t just Oregon…this type of stuff can happen in any program.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 22, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

We've been top 5 in the Fulmer Cup two years running

And that doesn’t include in-season issues. Our team isn’t any good so it gets alot less PR.

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I was going to add that but didn’t want to rub it in.

by John Berkowitz on Feb 22, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I figured it was easier for me to make fun of myself

Another example is Florida. I think they are up to almost 30 arrests and a ridiculous number of traffic citations as well in the last few years. Oddly enough, that hasn’t gotten as much PR. Granted I don’t think any of those issues are on the level of a DV or theft charge, but in sheer numbers it’s pretty bad.

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty sure that was me

And I don’t think it’s questionable character, per se. Again, 85 guys are hard to keep clean. You can only do so much as a coach. I didn’t think you’re delusional, I’d rather wait to see how it shakes out. And again, it’s impossible to know who had and didn’t have character issues having not been the ones that knew them personally or recruited them before Oregon.

Before everyone blames Kelly, remember these aren’t his kids and this is his first year. He’s waiting to get all the information before handing out punishments and I’m OK with that. I’d rather see a wait and see approach then hand out snap judgments in these cases.

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Oregon now has committed a Major Rule Violation !!!

The judge, though, ruled that James could work out at Casanova Center but he could not go to the main campus.

Also, the Jaqua Center, the academic center for student-athletes, is on campus, and James cannot go there, either. That would violate the 2-mile radius of the alleged victim, who is also an Oregon student.

Also a violation is James’ living arrangement with James Harris, Oregon’s nutritionist and life skills director. Oregon officials came up with that plan after running it by the Pacific-10 Conference last week. But after James was released from Lane County Jail to Harris’ home, the NCAA ruled that an extra benefit. Oregon has applied for a waiver to allow James to remain with Harris until his trial on March 24.

Bill Clever, Oregon’s director of compliance, said it is permissible for student-athletes who cannot attend class to make arrangements with professors to complete coursework. But Clever said those instances have always involved athletes who were injured or sick – not facing charges of assault, strangulation and physical harassment.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindducksb … s_lam.html

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by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 22, 2010 9:10 PM PST reply actions  

Its really not major

Its a pain for him because in DV cases there are rules of release that are involved. The kid can’t be within two miles of the accusers house, which means he can’t go home or near campus. He has to find somewhere else to live and is struggling to find somewhere to go.

So he’s under house arrest and supervised release, but needs to find somewhere to go now and someone to stay with. With the way campuses are, it probably won’t be easy to find somewhere two miles away

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 9:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

CougFan

It is a real possibility he will be ineligible due to academics failure. The judge ruled as the headline said, “Oregon football: Judge says LaMichael James cannot go to class.” What’s your thought.

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by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 22, 2010 9:29 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

His future is very cloudy and it sucks for him, like I said before. If he is innocent he’s lost time in class, which is bigger than losing time on the field.

Remember, these are kids that are students and he’s innocent until proven guilty. If he is guilty, this is the least of his worries

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 9:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Are you incapable of hitting reply?

The courts and the school (not the athletic dept) are trying to work out where he should live, and how he can go to school during this. Obviously, since he is a student and the alleged victim is a student it is difficult to have them in the same proximity to one another while court order restrict it. Even if he’s found not guilty, he’s going to have a long road back just to normalcy.

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by Matt Daddy on Feb 22, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Matt Daddy...

Do you see James being suspended for a year like Alonso?

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by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 22, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

If hes guilty

Id assume he’s gone from the program

by cougfan on Feb 22, 2010 9:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes. If he’s guilty he’s gone. If he’s not guilty, I was just arguing with some Duck fans today, I still think he gets punished.

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by Matt Daddy on Feb 22, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

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