Hey Quacks, it isn't just us in the PNW that are seeing your program as outlaw...
by whiskey chainsaw on Feb 21, 2010 1:17 PM PST
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Today, Deadspin.com said Oregon is "turning into an outlaw program right before our eyes."
Not sure if the facebook postings of a WR is new news here, but the overall issues going on in Eugene are nearing the type of thing that brings the dreaded terminology of "lack of institutional control."
You can complain that it is just UW fans making noise, but take a bigger look, it is not just us. The rest of the nation is starting to take notice as well... Love the headline of that article, by the way: "Oregon Pretty Much Imploding Before Our Very Eyes."
Duck football-- your problems are now fodder for deadspin, your travails are now officially an amusement for sports fans nationwide.
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WR Jamere Holland
who figured to be a big contributer next season was kicked off the team today for a vulgar facebook post (and a second one with some racist language — which I personally think was sarcasam and while stupid should not be used to crucify the kid).
Chipper has got some work to do. Holland was a USC transfer who’s a starter, so Kelly is in full damage control mode.
Yeah, just saw the update.
I’m not so willing to give a free ride, given that he admitted to, I believe he called it, “slipp’n” himself.
Also, sarcasm or not, I’d like to see it explained to a legitimate student or professor at the university that this kid and his language and attitude should be a public face for their institution. His commentary, I would hope, doesn’t represent an Oregon student, and hopefully for them, not a true Oregon athlete. If is does, it means they’ve got far greater issues than we are seeing in public forums.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Feb 21, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
I think my langauge came out wrong...
I think he had to go after saying that, it was powerful stupid.
I just don’t think it was malicious and racist as has been asserted by others on internet boards.
It also was his last strike
Seemed like he had issues before
by cougfan on Feb 21, 2010 3:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry B Money...I didn't see your post
The Tunnel is Hallowed and Sacred Ground
by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 21, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
By no means this is the end of it for Oregon
This was guy was talking Smack about the Kelly , Football Team and from what I read was racial remarks. He said he got away with things and still was on the football team. Oregon has major problems on discipline and lack of instutional control by the administrtaion. Maybe this is the first in correction of attitude, but it might be too little too late. A double standard is going on at Oregon on discipline and the players know it. Chip Kelly’s only recourse might be to clean house and see what comes out after the smokes clear. By no means this is the end of it.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindducksbeat/2010/02/oregon_wr_jamere_holland_dismi.html
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by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 21, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
His issues are known
He didn’t get away with things and was suspended before. He didn’t make the trip to the Rose Bowl, either. This seems to be the final straw for the kid.
Holland Said it, Not Me.
His issues are known to Oregon, but not the Public.
CougFan…everyone has opinion here, whether right or wrong. You have habit of trying to contradict everything said, let it go.
The Tunnel is Hallowed and Sacred Ground
by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 22, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
Then I am entitled to my opinion as well
Stay away from the personal attack against me, would you?
Free Countrry…I have the right to say anything. You don’t like tough luck.
The Tunnel is Hallowed and Sacred Ground
by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 22, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Careful
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Now I realize that Oregon is going thru a very difficult transition with all the off the field stuff surfacing. And it is plainfully obvious that there are major issues within the football program and the current UO athletic admisistration. Are we going to put all the blame squarely on Chipper’s shoulders? Or do we dig deeper?
The coach is responsible for his players and for the Chipper to come out and say something to the effect “I’m not going to stay up late to follow these guys around” was honestly a bad choice of words. What does that say in terms of what is truly going on in Eugene? It tells me that the players are way out of control, boundaries are crossed, and their simply isn’t any “trust” between coaches and players. No coach should have to follow his players around late at night to keep tabs on them. But when a coach says something that rediculous in the papers, it tells me that the players can’t be trusted nor the coaches.
But is that all that is going on in Eugene? I honestly think that Kelly is doing as good a job as he can, being new to major college football and all. But from the discipline aspect and the administration aspect of the job he has failed (numerous examples are all over the map). I think one reason why the Chipper has failed in regards to discipline and his admin duties is due to Oregon’s inexperienced athletic director in Mike Bellotti. Now Mike was a helluva coach and we Husky fans all dispized him for that, but he was GOOD! Moos was forced into retirement by Phil Knight and Uncle Phil brings in his “yes man” Bellotti to take over the Athletic Dept. Again, Mike was a helluva coach, but was he qualified to be an admistrator? At this point in the offseason Oregon debacle, I’m surprised that Bellotti hasn’t had to answer any questions on behalf of all this. And it leaves me still contimplating whether or not Chip Kelly is the fall guy. Does Uncle Phil really want Chris Peterson as head coach? It’s just a weird situation down there. I cannot believe that the AD (Bellotti) hasn’t said anything and it seems as if Kelly is taking all the heat. Makes you wonder…
All I saw was purple
Just too easy . . .
Could the ducks make this any easier for us?? This just keeps getting better, like the saying goes, “stupid is, as stupid does”!
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See, the thing that UO fans fail to realize
Is that all this recent string of troubles with the law only attracts attention, and if it happens to be the NCAA who decides to take a much, much closer look at the program, UO better hope they’ve kept their nose clean, or they could face sanctions.
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I’m a UO fan, and I don’t think there’s much of a correlation between what has happened and the likelihood of NCAA sanctions. Go look at the amount of arrests at other schools. I’m not saying there aren’t homers out there, but a lot of UO fans are also trying to use common sense and logic when looking at what has happened lately rather than let the sensationalist media spoon feed us with irrational theories and nonsense.
Georgia had 30 arrests from 05-09, and in that same span we can chalk up 21 for Tennessee. Urban Meyer has seen 27 during his tenure at UF. Unless you think the NCAA is coming down on them, it seems pretty unrealistic that Oregon would see anything in that realm.
I think a few dumb guys did a few dumb things, and at this point there is so much momentum that anything that happens out of the ordinary (Jamere Holland situation) will now get a lot more press than it would have. I honestly don’t think there is some major disparity between most schools in the Pac-10 as far as the character of the players, but it’s always easier to paint with a broad brush.
"I honestly don’t think there is some major disparity between most schools in the Pac-10 as far as the character of the players"
So we agree that Chip Kelly is having a hard time maintaining the respect of his players?
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I think you missed the point of what I'm saying.
The extra attention might attract unwanted attention from the NCAA. I’m not talking about sanctions for their players getting in trouble. I’m talking about things that they might not want to have investigated possibly getting out in the open during the process of investigating these recent events, like for example, a scholarship violation for a star player, resulting in a probationary period.
There’s nothing irrational about that.
Take it from a UW fan. We’ve been through two probationary periods in the last two decades. All it takes is one little misstep.
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by Carl Shinyama on Feb 24, 2010 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
I think his point is that a bunch of arrests in a short period of time at other programs hasn’t resulted in the NCAA coming in and investigating those programs and finding problems. And I agree – I think the NCAA would need to see something more substantial before they came snooping around. The issues with James and where he’s going to stay while suspended from campus might attract some attention from the NCAA, but I think they’d need more to actually decided to come in and start investigating things.
Right now, this is unlikely to result in any NCAA intervention.
Yes, that’s how I see it. If the NCAA started using this as a tool to take a deeper look at a football program, they’d be in some hot water because they would taking a shot at a program with far fewer problems than countless others around the nation.
If something else weird came out and led to a prolonged investigation? Well, I’ll go throw on my favorite Duck shirt and take a plunge off the closest bridge. My eyes can only handle so many more headlines about the Ducks when they aren’t related to football.
Husky Nav – No, we don’t agree. How would we know anything like that? I think that young, immature football players often act exactly how we would expect young immature football players to act on a college campus. Are you surprised by that? I think that the team played their asses off for Chip Kelly last year and I would imagine that if there were serious respect issues it might have been noticeable on the field. Statements like that are like saying one team is more “blue collar” than another. There’s no way of knowing anything like that.
I don't think it will result in anything
The kid is in a crappy spot, with nowhere to go. The court said he could live with that person, the NCAA said he couldn’t. Now he’s literally homeless and it isn’t easy to find somewhere to live 2 miles from campus in a town centered around the campus.
The kid is in a crappy spot,…
He is. If he’s guilty, I don’t feel the least bit bad for him. But if he’s innocent, I really feel for him.
Im of the same opinion
If he guilty, screw him. If he isn’t, this has already severely messed up his life in many ways and getting back to normal won’t be easy
by cougfan on Feb 24, 2010 7:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
After reading the court papers, I feel pretty bad for James. Yeah, he probably shouldn’t have been as physical with her as he was, but it sounds about as tame as their domestic violation laws allow for. What they’ve both had to endure since the charges came down is probably much more than they deserved.
Masoli on the other hand…
Agreed on both counts
James was in a bad spot and he’s paid the price already. Was it handled perfectly by James? Not at all, but it wasn’t enough where I’m ready to get the pitchforks and torches.
Also agree on Masoli. I’m curious what kind of evidence will show up in that case, but a) he’s a dumbass for being associated with it and b) he’s an even bigger dumbass for (probably) lying to his coach.
The rumors are that the police have fingerprint evidence that Masoli was involved. I guess we’ll see what Masoli pleads today, but if he lied to Kelly, I think he’s done. Not to mention the stupidity of becoming a repeat offender as a thief – really calls into question his maturity and decision-making.
Absolutely
I’m curious what they have on him. Finding prints on a laptop is like finding a needle in a haystack, by the way. I’ve seen police do it in college and they always said you have to get really lucky with how much those things are handled. But yeah, if he lied, he’s done. Not to mention how stupid it is.
Dumb guys?
Right there! I ask the question one more time… Has Oregon recruited a lot of guys with questionable character? Keep recruiting nationally fellas … your getting everybodies left overs.
Oregon is not a powerhouse in football- NOT! Now they have talent and all the athletic qualities you want in a football program and they run a very sophisticated offense that nobody has yet to figure out besides Ohio State. Other then that Oregon is very market savvy and are funded well (both thru Nike and Knight). Their is no history of excellence at Oregon in football. All the hype has been put together in this past decade. Oregon is all fluff. It’s a marketing scam at best. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if some “dumb guy” at Oregon who’s kicked off the team comes out with more wrong doings by the school. For all Husky fans, let’s just hope the dumb guy at Oregon keeps talking….
All I saw was purple
And Boise State.
Talents that I covet:
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by Carl Shinyama on Feb 28, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
DYNASTY USC
Any University threatening the U$C DYNASTY and TV and BOWL stranglehold is on thin ice period and should conduct themselves accordingly. Remember it only took fruit baskets and a cheeseburger last time they were upended.
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A very crappy spot. How do you think the NCAA should approach his situation as it stands right now? If he can’t go to campus and attend class, then that can affect his eligibility. Until a verdict is rendered, it would seem as though the NCAA should create some sort of setup for a situation like his. You can’t put a college kid in a catch-22 like this until he is actually found guilty of anything.
I think
If I’m not mistaken, he can get it worked out to basically work from home in a situation like this. It will more or less turn his courses into online courses until he gets the problems worked out, if he does. Academic wise, as long as he stays on his stuff, it shouldn’t set him back. Then again, I’ve never had to try to work on college courses while being under house arrest with a pending trial, so it can’t be easy.
I understand your sentiment...
and agree he’s in a terrible catch-22. But is there anything in place for the average student who finds him/herself in this situation? I think the NCAA would go out of thier way to make sure that no extra privledges are afforded to LaJames that aren’t extended to the rest of the student body.
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Yes
See above. He can work it out with professors to make sure he keeps up. I did it while I was in school and had broken an ankle so its normal.
The living situation is tougher as he has to find someone to live with that he knows and is court approved while not being near campus
by cougfan on Feb 25, 2010 3:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well, the problem is that the average student can miss the term and then come back in the next term with no ramifications. The average student obviously is not concerned with their eligibility to play a sport. It would not be getting extra treatment in my view, because the NCAA has placed a specific requirement upon athletes, and as someone who has until this point has been found guilty of exactly nothing, it would only seem right there is some way to manage it for the athlete.
If what is alleged is true...
No Masoli > Masoli
Well Canzano, maybe your parents didn’t believe in you.
Addicted to Quack
For sure. Tough break for the Ducks, as he ran that offense extremely well, but I have a feeling the drop-off won’t be nearly as much as Husky fans might hope for…
yaa i agree locker is the better QB
because you have to be respectable on and off the field! But get use to hearing the name Darron Thomas. Thomas reminds me a lot of Dennis Dixon. Kinda Skinny and a fast runner… Looking forward to the Dawgs game at Autzen this year!! Come Down for the game!!
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