Colorado very interested in the Pac 10
The possibility of the Pac 10 expanding to twelve teams received a boost yesterday when officials at the University of Colorado said they were willing to take a serious look at making the move if asked by the Pac 10.
The very real thing that would drive this for Colorado isn't just expanded revenue. The simple fact that the majority of the schools alumni base resides West of the Contininental Divide would be a major factor in considering such a move.
One factor weighing for the Pac-10 is CU's alumni presence on the West Coast. According to CU's alumni office, there are 29,096 known alums in California and 15,245 combined in the other three Pac-10 states.
Any game in the Pac-10 would create an opportunity for alumni events and fundraising.
"Our alumni base is stronger in the Pac-10 areas than in the Big 12," DiStefano said. "That's certainly something to consider, especially when the team travels."
That type of talk and the very real possibility that the Big 10 will poach one or more teams from the league has schools like Colorado setting a fast track for leaving the conference. According to reports out of Denver the Buffaloes would announce the move to leave before July of 2010 so they could join the Pac 10 in 2012 just in time for a new TV contract and a championship football game.
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Utah Too?
Utah would bring competition of the football field.
As far as towns go Boulder is a lot like Eugene, at least it was in the early 70’s when I made the mistake of living in the Denver area for a year.
I don’t know how you do it John, I can’t live that far away from the Salt Chuck.
I like Denver/Boulder
I have been to two games there and had a great time. I think it is a little more sophisticated than Eugene…but similar in some respects.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 16, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
As long as it's not Texas
I don’t want any part of Texas joining the Pac-10. We have enough trouble competing for Pac-10 titles as it is. We don’t need to add Texas to that list.
by JoseyWalesDawg on Feb 16, 2010 10:20 AM PST reply actions
Texas
Texas would definitely be a power…in a scenario where USC is in one division and Texas is in another it could be a long time till other members see a Rose Bowl.
A lot of things would have to happen for Texas to join either the Big Ten or Pac Ten…one thing to remember is that they aren’t going anywhere without Texas A&M attached to the hip. So if they joined the Big Ten you are talking a 14-16 team league which would change the landscape of college football.
Honestly I think the time zone problem is too big to overcome. I think they stay with conferences in the Central and Eastern zones which means stick where they are….form something new…or join the Big Ten or SEC.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 16, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Good news for expansion fans
Which I happen to be. Getting Colorado is our biggest hurdle to clear, since without Denver the whole idea is busted.
Looks like expansion could be coming in a hurry.
I like the idea of adding Colorado
I think they are a real good fit.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 16, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
I see the arguments
for and against BYU and BSU, but when its all said and done…..Utah and Colo are the strongest choice. New Mexico appears to offer a bigger city and area than BYU and BSU. The NM football team is not up to Pac standards, but that will change quickly, like it did when the AZ schools joined.
New Mexico
I think New Mexico is a market to keep an eye on in the future because it has a lot of room to grow.
I just don’t see Boise ever fitting in because they have such a long way to go academically.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 16, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Vegas
John – you were calling this whole conference expansion a long time before it became mainstream. Kudos on that.
Las Vegas and Nevada has been one of the fastest growing states for years and will represent a significant market in the West at some point. There football and basketball teams are relatively competitive, and I think UNLV was ranked in hoops at some point this year and football beat ASU a couple years ago. Academically they are not as strong, but probably comparable to the lower tier Pac 10 schools. Vegas would love some big time sports and it is a growing market.
How come UNLV is not in the discussion?
Also, how come no talk of a rotating schedule – play USC one year, UCLA the next if there are enough teams? It would make things fun.
by Fighting Husky on Feb 16, 2010 12:31 PM PST reply actions
I’m not sure that Vegas is really that great of a market. How many people living there are “locals”, and how many are transfers from other areas with little to no loyalty towards the home school? I wonder whether Vegas would rate as high in the eyes of TV execs looking at ad revenue as the Denver and SLC areas…
Academically, UNLV does not stack up with the Pac-10 Universities. I don’t think it’s considered a major research institution either.
And on top of all that, I suspect the Pac-10 might be leery of the sports book gambling angle.
Colorado and Utah are by far the clear favorites among likely schools.
Market wise, it isn't bad
It’s the 42nd biggest market, with Albuquerque at 44. For reference, SLC is at 33 which is probably why we’re targeting Utah.
Academically, they aren’t that great. They are a research institution, but other than that it isn’t pretty.
Vegas Etc... .
Las Vegas is a fast growing area but the population is pretty transient. It is actually a much smaller TV market than Salt Lake City and is on the same par as Albuquerque, New Mexico. The proximity to Los Angeles means the Pac 10 already owns this territory so like San Diego it makes little sense to expand there.
UNLV doesn’t have the type of academic reputation the Pac 10 desires. It would take decades for the school to build to that level. The athletic facilities aren’t much either.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 16, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
It expands the conference, walls off the west coast, and adds the two largest media markets missing from the pac-10 footprint while still being geographically reasonable
by Brian Floyd on Feb 16, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
What about San DIego State?
I believe they fit culturally, Academically, and they have large media market, the only question is facilities/stadium correct?
The Pac-10 wouldn’t add a lot of TV revenue by adding San Diego State – they already get TV coverage there, and boosting SDSt. to Pac-10 status wouldn’t raise their viewership a whole lot. Besides, it’s generally accepted that the Cal schools aren’t interested in bringing in any additional schools in-state. SDSt. moving up to the Pac-10 would very likely boost the athletic prestige of that school enough for their programs to become competitive, and that just puts more competition for recruiting in SoCal.
Colorado & Utah are easily the best of the likely candidates.
SDSU
They don’t fit from an acadmic standpoint and they average around 17,000 in attendance. The lack of an on campus stadium seals the deal even if they weren’t located less than 100 miles south of Los Angeles. The Pac 10 owns the market already so it makes no sense to go there.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 17, 2010 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
They don't?
I saw them listed as a Very High research institution..?
Didn’t know how well the pac-10 already has a foot print in that market, which in the end should be a major reason of expansion.
I think you are mixing up San Diego State with UC-San Diego.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 17, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
SDSU Stadium?
Hmmm…not sure their stadium is much of an issue. Qualcomm Stadium is their listed “home of SDSU Football.”
And if Qualcomm has been good enough for the Charges, it should do well for any Pac-10 team.
Would like to hear more on SD as a TV market. As a region, SD county is roughly equally to the entire state of Oregon, both in terms of population and GDP.
It listed as the 17th largest metropolitan region in the US; Denver is 21st.
I do agree that the 116 miles of distance between these two cities may be an issue. But then again, anyone whose tried to drive that in less than two hours knows a considerable longer budget is needed as one gets closer to LA (LOL).
The market size isn't the issue
It’s a market owned by the pac-10 already. It’s in the footprint of the conference and already belongs to the pac-10. We’re looking to expand to markets we don’t already own and adding in San Diego is pointless.
by Brian Floyd on Feb 17, 2010 12:41 AM PST up reply actions
If you already own the market why go there?
SDSU doesn’t have their own stadium and they don’t have much of a following. If they were drawing 50,000 a game maybe you take a closer look. That being said the Pac 10 already owns that market.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 17, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
off topic
Duck running back James in jail on domestic violence?
by Gig Harbor Husky on Feb 17, 2010 9:54 AM PST reply actions
I have a story on the problems at Oregon up on the board now.
I have been contemplating writing it for a week or so but held off because I keep hearing that there is more out there that is about to surface concerning Masoli other than the frat house caper. Seems that there was alos some bad behavior in December that hasn’t come out yet.
Anyway with the James deal going public today it seemed to me it was the right time to summarize what is going on in eugene.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 17, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Masoli
The guy is a thug, plain and simple. I’m still curious how a double throat slit motion after a touchdown isn’t a penalty, yet tossing the ball in the air is??
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