The Monday Morning Wash
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 6:59 AM PST
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The last weekend of official visits has ended and schools across the country are waiting till Wednesday to find out how well they did on the recruiting trail. Even though in homes and on campus visits have ended we have now entered a period of unlimited phone calls by the coaches as we approach signing day.
This is a very competitive year when it comes to Pac 10 recruiting and it seems the league has entered into a new period of ultra aggresiveness. What that means as we enter the stretch run is almost everyone is trying to steal other schools recruits as we approach the finish line.
Just for example place kicker Alejandro Maldonado has decided to become an Oregon Duck rather than a Washington Husky. The Oregon coaches convinced him he could play right away even though they have two young HS All American kickers on the roster. Maldonado visited the Ducks secretly this weekend and decided that Eugene was the place or him. This defection isn't the end of the world. Eric Folk is coming off a very good season and has two years remaining. If UW still wants to go after a kicker this year there are still options out there.
"They were upset,'' Maldonado said. "I knew they would be upset. ... But I've got choices to make to go where I was going to be happy and where I can succeed and where I think I will succeed and I had to go along with that.''
Kerifi Taula visited Arizona this past weekend and once again has decided to become a Wildcat despite committing to Washington on campus last weekend and to the coaches during an in house visit on Thursday. This one will probably be a signing day decision. His father wants him to go to UA and his mother wants him to go to UW. He will probably end up going to the school of the last coach he speaks with.
Washington still has a solid class and is awaiting word from three more four star recruits on their intentions.
Ricky Heimuli - UW or UCLA
Josh Shirley - UW or USC
Sean Parker - UW or USC
We are hearing it is 50/50 for the above three right now to finish off the class. That would be a fantastic finish so keep your fingers crossed.
OT James Atoe left Montlake this weekend with an offer to become a Husky. The word is they will try to get him in this fall but if there isn't room he would have to greyshirt. Atoe also has offers from Portland State and Eastern Washington. Idaho like Washington has suggested that he possibly greyshirt. Atoe needed to talk it over with his parents so we won't make a decision for a day or two.
Kona Schwenke did not visit UW this weekend after his visit to Notre Dame. Not sure if that was his decision or the UW coaching staff's. He could always visit next weekend but I would say he is headed to ND unless BYU offers him in the morning.
Lawrence Lagufuina visited Hawaii this weekend and needs a day or two to think things over. Most think he is still headed to UW but he could surprise everyone by staying home.
The important thing about recruiting is to remember this simple rule...never say never. A lot of stuff both good and bad can happen between now and signing day. Stay tuned because it is going to be an exciting ride to the finish.
The Western 100
The News Tribune came out with the Western 100 over the weekend. The Huskies currently have 12 solid commits on the list which is a pretty good indication of the strength of the 2010 class.
The Long Beach Press Telegram chips in with their annual Best of the West which has faded in relevance over the past decade or so.
The Contra Costa Times chips in with its cream of the crop rankings for the East Bay area.
USA vs World
Colin Porter and Michael Hartvigson from Bothell HS participated in the USA vs World All Star game in Florida this weekend. Both were very impressive when they were in the game. Hartvigson showed nice hands and solid blocking ability. Colin "Porterhouse" Porter lived up to the hype by pancaking the opposition on a few plays.
Huskies host twelve HS underclassmen
Recruiting for the class of 2010 is almost completed but the coaches are already laying the groundwork for the future by hosting 10 players from the class of 2011 and two from 2012 on campus this past weekend.
WR Kasen Williams Skyline
DT/DE Tani Tupou Archbishop Murphy
RB Harvey Langi Bingham (South Jordan, Utah)
DE/TE Colt Lyerla Hillsboro (Oregon)
DT/OG Danny Shelton Auburn
QB Trey Wheeler Liberty
QB Brett Smith West Salem (Oregon)
ATH Valentino Coleman Garfield
OT Dexter Charles Stanwood
WR Jamall Jones Graham-Kapowsin
OT/DE Josh Garnett Puyallup (2012)
OT Zach Banner Lakes (2012)
Coach Owens Wife Passes
Martha Jane Owens, wife of former UW football coach Jim Owens, died on Thursday night in Bigfork, Mt. She was 81. Coach Owens himself passed away on June 6th of 2009 at the age of 82.
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Love how the DAWGS are already recruiting for next year. This staff is so high energy and agressive, I just love having that after the seemingly apathetic approach that Willingham took. He was a good man but things have changed in D-1 football and you have to change with it or get left behind. GO DAWGS!!
Remember when DJ would never offer kickers scholarships? There are so many strong kickers in the region who play soccer you would think we could find one or two without much difficulty.
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Oregon promises
It will be interesting to see if Oregon keeps the promises they are making to these recruits they are stealing from the Huskies. Not long ago, Mike Belotti gave recruits the impression that he might stick around as coach, then, predictably, he bailed shortly after signing day. Deception seems to be part of their M.O. at Oregon, but the players don’t seem to care. I guess those facilities have some magical, hypnotic effect on them. Or maybe it’s all of those ugly Duckling uniforms. I don’t get it.
yep,big bad deceitful us
if couldn’t be that our placekicker is transferring.
Who exactly have we lied to? Except Jeff Maehl, who we recruited as a DB and converted him to a WR. Of is this just sour grapes?
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
this is not sour grapes ....
…. it is a fan blog. And, let’s face it, UO continues to give us plenty to be snarky about. Beaten down place kickers, pickpocket QBs, thug RBs, a coach who seems to have no problem trading his values in the name of the almighty W, and, of course, a multi-decade quest for that ever elusive Rose Bowl victory.
There is not a lot there for UW to be jealous about.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Our kicker was brutally beaten and taken to the ICU...thats something to be snarky about??
Masoli incident looks like a whole lot of smoke, 0 fire.
I’ll give you Blount, but America loves a good redemption story and that is looking like his path.
Kelly trading in his values for a W? C’MON! Blount was reinstated and played in 2 games. Did he help us win the Civil War? More than likely yes. Did he lose us the Rose Bowl due to his fumble? More than likely yes. This has been discussed at length, but I haven’t heard too many recruits, players, parents, other coaches, media, etc. say that Kelly is trading his values for a win. Please feel free to post anything negative about Kelly from a respectable media outlet and NOT write by Clownzano.
by SeattleDucks on Feb 1, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Saint Kelly
Masoli stole a laptop computer from a fraternity house and there was an eyewitness…sounds like fire to me.
Blount…redemption…I guess the fumble in the Rose Bowl was redemption.
Kelly trading in his values for a W?
Who said Chip Kelly had any values…I mean that is really stretching it.
The Oregonian not a respectable news outlet….oh c’mon.
The Ducks may have gone to the Rose Bowl but there are come cracks in the foundation in Eugene. When there is continuous info in the police blotter you just might have a problem.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
I can tell you haven't read anything about the Frat House robbery
Otherwise you would understand its all bullshit. 50+ police calls in 5 years. And there was no eyewitness to the laptops being stolen. Check ANY news report after the 25th of January.
by SeattleDucks on Feb 1, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Actually I read in the Oregon newspapers that Embry and Masoli were ID’d by one of the frat members and then ran out of the house carrying the stolen items. I mean if it is in the Register Guard and The Oregonian there has to be something to it.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
How much did they pay the kid…lol?
Masoli came to Oregon as a convicted juvenile criminal. He was a mugger before he was a Duck. They may call that poor judgement down there but I call it criminal activity.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Nothing like passing judgements on 17 year olds.
Sure am glad you didn’t make any mistakes growing up. Lucky for you, you aren’t famous.
by SeattleDucks on Feb 1, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Convictions are different than passing judgements
He was simply convicted by a court of law for mugging people on the street.
I agree we all make mistakes while we are old or young….but mugging people?
I guess we need to forgive and forget on robbery and assault.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Masoli stole a laptop computer from a fraternity house and there was an eyewitness…sounds like fire to me.
Not actually true.
Masoli left the party, and when accuser got back, the laptop(s) were gone.
That isn’t the same thing as you have alleged.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
C’mon, nobody here knows what really happened except Masoli and few people at the fraternity. Given all the factors, even if Masoli was guilty I doubt we’ll ever see it prosecuted – there’s just way too much incentive for all parties involved to make the story go away.
Maybe he’s innocent, maybe he’s not, but either way I don’t expect anything to come of it. And if that’s the case, it doesn’t prove anything one way or the other.
Oh, I agree with you.
I was simply making the clarification accordingly with the police report.
I guess it’s one’s right to connect the dots and say Masoli stole the laptops. It isn’t even all that far fetched given his past history with robbery. However, no arrests have been made and no suspects have been named (Masol was mentioned in a police report, but not (yet) named as a suspect.)
It’s sensationalism to say Masoli is guilty of the theft though, as the only evidence mentioned in the police report was that Masoli was at the party, and he along with the laptops, were gone when the alleged victim got back.
Until there is resolution to this case, and resolution may be unlikely, to accuse Masoli of this crime is purely defamation and excogitation.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
Just reading the newspapers
Said when the players were confronted about what they were carrying they ran in two different directions. It goes on to say that the student chased Embry who gave him back the projector. So if Masoli wasn’t doing anything wrong why did he run like Embry did?
Just saying why would you run if you weren’t doing anything wrong and didn’t have anything to hide?
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Just saying why would you run if you weren’t doing anything wrong and didn’t have anything to hide?
I don’t know. I wasn’t there.
But why didn’t he mention that Masoli took off, running with two laptops and a guitar?
How did Masoli take off running with two laptops and a guitar?
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
I don't know...
You have a good point about the guitar…who said he took the guitar and was the only player involved….maybe others did the stealing such as Embry who was caught red handed…thing is though if he was up to something why did he run?
Sounds like something Jeremy Stevens would do.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
That’s possible. I would venture to say that the worst case scenario for Masoli, as it stands, is accessory to 3rd degree theft. I don’t see that sticking.
With Embry, the worst case scenario is going to be 3rd degree theft. (I should point out that Embry was kicked from the team prior to this incident).
It still doesn’t counter my point of assuming Masoli is guilty of theft, without any conviction is defamation and excogitation.
As John Canzano (Mention this name around most Oregon fans, and they shudder), as well as others here have pointed out, the frat house has a long history of reporting crimes like this. Even if Wolfard is a victim, it is possible the police aren’t taking this seriously. (Sheep cry wolf syndrome). Which is unfortunate for Wolfard.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
It is in black and white from the Oregonian
Wolfard, a 20-year-old sophomore from Portland, is adamant he has correctly identified the players, whom he encountered upon entering the house.
“The minute I stepped on the staircase I said to myself, ’Wow, Masoli and Embry are in our house right now,” Wolfard told The Oregonian on Sunday afternoon. “Masoli has a very distinctive face, very distinctive facial hair — not to mention I see him on TV all the time.”
Wolfard said he didn’t think anything of Masoli and Embry’s presence at first given that he’d seen them at the fraternity house before. But when they started to act “suspicious” — and appeared to be hiding something — he demanded to know what they were doing, he said. Wolfard said it was then that he noticed Embry was carrying what appeared to be Wolfard’s digital projector, which he says is valued at $560.
Wolfard said the two players then ran out the back door. Wolfard said Masoli fled north and Embry cut west toward Alder Street and then ran through alleys as Wolfard chased him. Blocks later, Wolfard says, Embry stopped running, handed him the projector and said, “You’ve got it back, now you better get out of here.”
Wolfard, who said there was no evidence of forced entry at the fraternity house, returned to find his room unlocked and his guitar and computer missing. He then called police.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Lets all remember Embry WAS a D-1 football player...
that ran a 4.7 40. I would love to see any frat dick run him down.
The frat kid that ran him down was a former HS running back which is kind of interesting.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
He was a wide receiver and interstingly on the same team as one of the guys who attacked Rob Beard (Kirby Hawkins)
YES!!
Let’s make fun of people who were taken to the ICU and need facial reconstruction surgery!!
If we are doing that then how about that lady who was mauled by that chimpanzee a few years ago.
You need to cool it or I am going to kick you out
You have hijacked this thread and that is enough.
Fun time is over.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Whoa, bro....don't taze me.
As you can see all day, I’ve been nothing but respectful. Just wanted to let you know I didn’t find the joke funny. I’ve only come here to engage in a healthy debate, one that doesn’t include $h*& talking. I’ll leave you to your purple. Come to AtQ anytime guys.
No Taze needed
Sometimes it gets out of hand and i have to reign it in.
What was that kickers name anyway that started all this?
LOL….
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
That's just it
There are a lot of pieces that don’t fit or maybe they fit to well I’m just not sure anymore. This is why I think it is best to just wait and see. There is another article out there that says Masoli was in a bar and the security tapes confirm that.
There is another article out there that says Masoli was in a bar and the security tapes confirm that.
The bar is across the street from the fraternity. How long is Masoli visible in the tapes? How do we know the timestamp on the tapes is legit?
The tapes prove next to nothing at this point without more info.
who knows
I haven’t seen the tape have you? Like I’ve said before if they did it, the University will have to treat this like they would anyone else. Period. There is too much press out there to do anything else.
Honestly
I think he was involved or he wouldn’t have run….proving it is an entirely different matter.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know what he was doing there
Maybe he was trying to get him to bring back the stuff he took, who the hell knows? I wasn’t there all I know is what the wolfard kid claims, and at that point it becomes some guy pointing at somebody else but there is no evidence to back any of it up. I was pretty certain I knew who burgled my house 2 years ago but I had no way to prove it, the cops just took the report and I never heard from them again. It seems that this is being treated differently than your “typical” burglary. So hopefully the EPD figures this out and puts this to rest, but to convict him on the blogosphere is pointless.
I wouldn't call Taylor's across the street from SAE
As someone who lived a block from that fraternity for 3 years, SAE is not across the street from Taylor’s. The Oregon bookstore is across the street from Taylor’s. It’s a long 2 blocks.
Two long blocks for someone running full speed with a laptop
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
If what I read is true...
The bar guy says the security camera footage shows Masoli and Embry at the bar “shortly after midnight.” The police report (which can be seen on SportsbyBrooks’ web site) shows the call about the brawl coming in at 12:31 and the call for the theft report coming in at 12:48. It is plausible that two athletes could walk two blocks and have plenty of time to get into mischief in that time frame. What we don’t know is how long the video shows them at the bar. If they were at the bar until 1 AM, they’re in the clear and the fraternity guy must be mistaken or lying. If they were only there a few minutes and left shortly after midnight, then all the video does is, essentially, place both of them at the scene of the crime. I suppose the fraternity guys could be trying to frame Masoli and Embry. But one could also go out on a limb in the other direction and speculate that Masoli and Embry stopped at the bar between multiple stops at the frat house. I’m not saying that I know what happened, but one of those scenarios strikes me as more likely than the other.
A Google map, assuming it’s accurate, shows “Taylor’s Bar and Grille” as being about two tenths of a mile from the scene of the thefts, assuming a person were to walk the streets and not cut diagonally through the area, if that’s even possible.
At midnight
You can cut across a University owned parking lot. It’s in between 14th and 13th and Agate and Alder. I bet Masoli could sprint it in 15 seconds.
There you go
I think it would be great if the securiity photo showed Masoli strumming a guitar.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
The not winning in six years thing sucks…thanks for bringing it up…we had almost forgotten about it.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Fans need to factor in number of things on Maldonado deal. UW might not have used him as a fulltime kicker for two years and the Oregon staff obviously made that point clear to Alejandro. Did the Oregon staff lie? I don’t think they really had to. This type of stuff goes on all the time. Everyone uses everyone’s depth chart against each other in recruiting.
Keep in mind this isn’t the I hate Oregon blog…when we see something amiss down there we comment on it. Lately there has been plenty of things amiss.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Maldonado
I wonder if that “chance encounter” in the parking lot with Oregon’s special teams coordinator was during a proper contact period. Hmm… :)
I didn’t say that Oregon lied to Maldonado, just that it will be interesting to see how much playing time he really gets. It’s true that Oregon’s kickers have both literally taken a beating recently, but, personally, that would make me think twice about going to Oregon. Mike Bellotti arguably was deceptive when he implied that he had not yet decided whether he was going to retire from being head coach. You could say that it was obvious that he was going to, but he as much as said that he was undecided, right up until the recruits were signed. The jury is out on Keanon Lowe’s experience at Oregon, too.
It’s not sour grapes, though. Of the recruits that Washington could afford to lose, Lowe and Maldonado are two of the most expendable. We actually need those spots for the handful of four star defensive players who are still out there, which we might get if we’re lucky.
By the way, I don’t complain about Oregon fans’ comments on Oregon fan blogs. I don’t even place comments on other teams’ fan blogs. You can if you want to, but I don’t think you should get too surprised if you run into comments here that you disagree with, perhaps strongly. But my comments weren’t intended for Oregon fans. That’s just part of the fun — debating, complaining and commiserating amongst ourselves.
I think all coaches are evasive about longevity. That is just the way it works.
The Addicted to Quack guys are more than welcome to hang out here….they bring mostly great stuff to the table as do the other opponents that post here.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
Just to clarify, I did not mean to imply that because I don’t comment on other teams’ blogs that others shouldn’t either. I’m all in favor of good-natured discourse.
Sorry?
Bellotti bailed? It’s not like he took a job somewhere else. Dude was coach for 14 years and decided to retire, handing off the reins to someone already on his staff. Calm down, it’s only a kicker, go scout the soccer team, I’m sure you can find a decent kicker there.
by MurphyLPiddleton on Feb 1, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
By “bailed” I did not mean that he left the school, just that he implied that he might remain coach and then he didn’t remain coach. That was my take on his statements and I thought he was clearly obfuscating the situation.
Bellotti wasn’t exactly honest about that….but I have never seen a coach that was. That is how the game is played everywhere.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
actually he had named Kelly his coach in waiting
And never said he would be back another season, in fact when I saw him after the Holiday bowl win over OK state I thought this was his last game for sure, and so did a lot of other people. In fact much of the discussion at this time last year was asking whether he would be back. Mike Bellotti is a good guy, just as Kelly is. I think it’s funny how this is the only blog (except maybe a beaver blog), where you can find opinions to the contrary.
These rosters have over 100 guys, so a couple of young guys get in trouble, you can’t say it has never happened at UW, does that mean the whole program is some kind of criminal syndicate? That Chip Kelly and the UO is secretly some front organization who is really training these kids to be minions in some evil overlord scheme to take over the world and force the true rightful rulers of Pac 10 football into the cellar instead of at the top.
I think the truth is that you all are simply tired of losing to us, UW administration and coaching staff made the decisions that put your program in the cellar, not UO. Oregon is where it is today through systematically building up the program, facilities, and believing in the vision of its coaching staff and athletic directors. UW made their own bed now they need to sleep in it.
I will be awaiting deletion, for not towing the popular opinion that UO is inherently evil, and Uw is ultimately virtuous. You guys are really too much.
I don’t really get where you are coming from Quack in AK.
This is a Husky blog and isn’t an Oregon fan site for crying it out loud.
I would say that 99% of what I write about the Ducks is pretty even balanced….the 1% would be some occasional sarcasm directed towards Eugene.
Is Bellotti really a good guy…c’mon…ask Johnny Durocher about that one. Football coaches are football coaches first and good guys second. They are hired to win games not be friends with everyone.
Is Kelly a reall good guy…c’mon…everyone who knows him says that he is highly ascerbic and that comes from people within the program and HS coaches who don’t like his personality as much as Belotti’s. Once again it isn’t a popularity contest. He was hired to win games and did great job doing that this season.
Oregon was in serious trouble to strt the season and Kelly turned it around. You can’t ask for much more than that from a first year head coach. What he did was impressive. Do Husky fans have to like him…of course not.
Is Oregon having some big time behavior problems right now…of course they are. Is Washington….nope…but we have had our troubles in the past and a decline soon followed. Same thing can happen at Oregon.
Deletion?
I guess you haven’t been here very often…which of course makes your post and assertions even more off the wall.
We never delete a well written and non profane post simply because you are from Oregon or we don’t agree with you. Like I said obviously you haven’t been around her emuch to make a statement like that.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
For making me look up the word “acerbic”. Its an adjective meaning: harsh or severe, as of temper or expression
by SeattleDucks on Feb 1, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
LOL
Thanks for the rec….yep…Kelly is the definition of acerbic. If he wins games…who cares…he showed me quite a bit last year.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I see a lot of anecdotal evidence with no citation.
Look of course it is a Husky blog. I know that, and can appreciate it for what it is. I will also say that I harbor no special love for UW or the Huskies. With that said, I do not try to belittle UW every time they win a recruiting battle, or a game over us. This is how the recruiting game is played. It really does come off as kind of whiny to say that some how a recruiting victory points to a larger pattern of dishonesty, when you present little to no evidence to support such claims other than anecdotal, he said she said type stuff.
Johnny Durocher? Really? He wasn’t going to play because he didn’t develop, so he left. What is your point. Has there never been a UW recruit that realized he was a bad fit after he got there? Really?
Kelly is acerbic yes, but somehow all these HS coaches let him talk to their kids. How does that make him a bad guy? C’mon. Don James wasn’t exactly a silver tongued fella, but he is one of the greatest coaches in Pac 10 history. Right up there with Belotti (hehe).
Is UO having behavioral problems? Maybe, but that will be dealt with at the appropriate time, when the FACTS are known and the EPD are done investigating the allegations. Did anybody see Masoli carrying anything? Nope. Is there even a police report naming him as a person of interest in this investigation? nope. Did somebody claim to see Masoli there and later find that his computer was missing? Yes. Is there video footage that puts Masoli in a different location at the time? Allegedly. What does this mean? Not much yet, let’s wait and see how it shakes out. I have no doubt that if these allegations turn out to be true, then these students will be held to the same code of conduct standards as any other student athlete.
Deletion yes, I have been deleted for non-profane posts that have made points contrary to the popular opinion, which of course is why I rarely comment on here.
by QuackinAK on Feb 1, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know anything about this, so I’m just speculating in the dark here, but I have noticed that sometimes blog posts seem to disappear when they are in fact still there. That has happened to my posts. When you refresh the page it shows up again. Maybe that’s what happened and it was a misunderstanding. Again, I don’t know.
I never said there was a pattern of dishonesty…however there are quite a few documented things that have gone on over the years such as forging an LOI that have gone on. That isn’t exactly honest is it.
Durocher…when they recruited him Bellotti said he was the only QB they were going to take in that class…didn’t turn out that way on signing day. That wasn’t exactly honest was it? That type of stuff happens often at Oregon…could explain all the attrition at QB they have had.
Never said Kelly was a bad guy. All HS coaches let the major programs talk to their kids. Is Kelly going to have the same results that Bellotti did on the West coast? A lot of experts…not just the UW one’s think that he may rub people the wrong way with his personality. We will just have to see how that plays out.
Believe what you want about Masoli…he did time as a juvenile for mugging people. I have read the reports in the Oregon newspapers and they don’t match up with what you are saying…now if you have links to the contrary you are welcome to post them.
You can be deleted for being a troll also without being profane. You can also be deleted by simply being part of a thread whose lead post was deleted which means you can be deleted and you never did anything wrong. Thins is when I delete something like that I ofeten ban the person too…since your still posting you probably have always done things around here in good taste.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Comparing Belotti to Don James in the legends of the Pac10..
James — 153-57-2, 98-37-2 = .722 win percentage overall, .715 in Pac10.
Belotti — 116–55, 72–43 = .678 win percentage overall, .626 in Pac10.
Edge in games, winning percentage and conference winning percentage are all pretty decidingly in Don James favor.
But, let’s look to Bowl Games…
Belotti— 6-6 in Bowl Games. Zero Rose Bowl games.
Don James — 14 Bowls,10-4 in Bowls. 6 Rose Bowl games, 3 wins (and 1 National Championship.)
Belotti doesn’t hold a candle to Don James, sorry…
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Feb 1, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Relax
It was a joke … notice the (hehe).
The point simply being that you guys are constantly knocking on Belotti because he supposedly misled a second rate QB recruit seven years ago. The points you leave out are that the other QB’s in question are Dennis Dixon, and Brady Leaf, moreover Johnny D. the spirit of Spanaway had a chance and didn’t develop. So he left, then proceeded to crap talk Oregon, real reliable source for your info guys.
C'mon
He has misled more than a few players in his time….just part of the schtick. It happened with quite a bit of regularity. Just saying that is the way Bellotti rolled.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Kickers
Can’t say I was too excited to have more than one scholarship kicker in the 85 limit, especially when the other one is just a Soph. I would guess 2 things helped change Maldanado’s mind. One that Folk looked so much better than he did when AM committed and two, that one of OU’s kickers recently got beat up badly. Seems like a kid a little afraid of competition.
He has lseveral friends that go to oregon...
I think that was a big factor. We still have lots of time to find a kicker to take over for Folk in a couple years so really no big deal.
Kasen is all over Campus
I love to see that Kasen seems to be on campus at least every other weekend. I know he was at the Cal basketball game (blowout). I don’t want to get ahead of myself, but the more we have him around our guys, the better I feel about keeping him home!
It looks like since Oregon struck out on most of the national recruits they are doing their annual recruiting off of UW’s list again.
Nothing ever changes…..
Lache Seastrunk, Dontae Williams, Curtis White, Hroniss Grasu, Nick Rowland,…. so who are we missing out on? I guess that guy that ended up choosing Florida, but other than that I think we have a pretty good haul. And I mean, let’s be real here, if Washington was competitive then this “annual recruiting off of UW’s list” wouldn’t be happening, would it?
Grasu and Rowland are regional recruits.
When you pluck highly rated players from Texas such as Seastrunk and Williams now you are talking national recruits. If memory serves me correctly you also nabbed a CB from Michigan.
I guess the question is did Oregon set its sights much higher on a national scale this year?
The answer is yes and they did strike out on mor ethan they counted on from back East.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Really?
So if we recruit guys from the EAST COAST and they decide they want to stay closer to home that is considered striking out? I think (and many other Ducks fans do to) the fact that the Oregon coaches are even getting to talk to these guys is a testament to how far the program has come. Let’s face it most of those guys were long shots to begin with, and ten years ago we wouldn’t have even made it into their top 10.
Seriously. Listen to yourself, just take a step back, and insert any team name not Oregon or WSU into your statements, and tell me its not sour grapes.
Let us all remember the #1 Rule in Recruiting....
If your chosen 17 or 18 year old messiah chooses to not go to the school you attend/have attended/or wish to have attended, but couldn’t because you didn’t have the GPA….then feel free to call him names, make it known he would have been worthless and overrated and insult his mother and hopefully grandma.
by SeattleDucks on Feb 1, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
No one
Just seems to be a lot of people’s M.O. around signing day. Not calling anyone out.
by SeattleDucks on Feb 1, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Then why would you bring it up here?
I don’t see anyone calling names or knocking kids because they choose a different school.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Because I laughed when I read that the first time
Its a very true statement. If you don’t believe, go to an SEC message board
by SeattleDucks on Feb 1, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
This isn’t the SEC…it is the Dawg Pound.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Alright, time to get back to work
But seriously…this isn’t the LSU message board?? I got confused. All I saw was purple…..
by SeattleDucks on Feb 1, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
If they don’t come it is striking out.
I think Oregon has made a mistake by neglecting the West coast…we will see if it continues.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
By neglecting the West Coast...
You mean stealing Lowe and Maldanado?
by SeattleDucks on Feb 1, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Like I said...
…an oregon kid who wanted to be a duck in the first place and a socal kicker, these aren’t big losses. Now if you stole away Nick Montana or Sione Patoae that would be saying something.
Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!
By being in a position where you have to steal Lowe and Maldonado near signing day because you crapped out on other kids nationally.
We all know what is going to happen to Lowe when he hits Oregon…the kid that dreamed of being a WR is going to end up buried in the depth at CB.
We all know what is going to happen to Maldonado…the kid who was told he would play right away is going to be sitting on the bench because more experienced kickers are ahead of him.
Little white lies….little white lies.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
You work on our coaching staff now?
What did Coach Frost say to Lowe? Did he say those things? How about Coach Osbourne? He told Maldonado that he would be our opening day place-kicker? C’mon man….To steal your wording from a few posts up: Who is telling our recruits lies?
by SeattleDucks on Feb 1, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
That is how recruiting works….All recruits are led to beleive that they better be ready because they can start right away if they are good enough.
Little white lies….there isn’t a coaching staff in the country that doesn’t use them.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
On the other hand...
…these kids have to be pretty naive to believe that this isn’t a super competitive athletic environment. The fact is that an athlete at this level either produces results or is relegated to the bench. These kids are living in a dream world if they believe otherwise.
Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!
I think Maldonado is really naive
If you have followed his recruitment you realize he isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer.
I really doubt he even took the time to study the Oregon roster.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
So what were the lies UW told Maldonado and Lowe?
If all the schools do it, and you know the exact nature of Oregon’s lies, then you should definitely know what UW lied about. Did Sark lie about the same things as Kelly, or did he have his own, unique lies?
No real reason to lie to Maldonado – we have one kicker on scholorship with 2-years left. I’m sure they told him he could come in and compete right away.
Lowe – well they told him he could play WR knowing that eventially he’d figure out that he wouldn’t see the field anytime soon and want to change to CB. I think UW was mostly interested in him ar a possible kick/punt returner more then anything else.
Unique Lies
I am sure every coaching staff has its own unique set of white lies.
Bellotti had a history of BS’ing QB’s. You are the only one I am going to take…then on signing day the kid finds out they took two more QB’s. Same thing with Rb’s.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
UW's lie:
“Don’t worry kid, we’re going to ein games and go to a bowl” :-)
I support the calls to fire Matt Daddy
Addicted to Quack
Yes, well, okay, but winning and going to bowl games is something that any recruit can see for himself is not in the coach’s power to promise, whereas things such as telling a recruit that he’ll play a certain position and start right away are. In Steve Sarkisian’s defense, one of the first things he told the team when he got to Washington was something to the effect that “I’m not going to promise you we’ll go to a bowl game. I can only promise you we’ll play better.”
The Stadium Remodel Starts in December 2010
; )
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
nope
As of now it is another white lie ; )
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
It's not stealing when he never signed with you
That’s how verbals are, like water in a sieve they can just slip away, Oregon has had some slip away too.
Neglecting the west coast? Looks like there are some guys from the west coast to me.
It's stealing
All is fair in love war and recruiting.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
ok fair enough
But 12 out of 20 guys are west coast guys, and I have to say as a Duck fan it does not rub me the wrong way at all. I think it’s great that we are getting guys from SEC/ACC/Big XII/Big 10 country as well as the normal set of guys from the west coast.
Oregon has a very good class…you should focus on that…the Ducks are going to be good for awhile.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Source
John, what are your sources for the 50-50 statement regarding Sean Parker, and Josh Shirley? I’ve read that Michigan and USC have that best chance at Parker, and Shirley is considering Miami.
IF I gave you all my exact sources I wouldn’t have sources…but..
I am hearing that Parker is coming to UW…nobody is sure about it but that seems to be the way the wind is blowin right now.
Washington was Heimuli’s last visit and as we all know that makes quite an impression.
Shirley will pick between UW and USC…SC seems to have a small lead as of the weekend….he did say if he had to pick today he wouldn’t be able to do it…crunch time for these kids…it can go either way.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Fantastic if true
Two of three and I would be ecstatic!
Flip a coin
Herschel Walker flipped a coin to decide where to go to school. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that’s what some of this kids do as well.
What you are reading are just thoughts and opinions by other ‘experts’. Different experts are saying different things in regards to parker and shirley.
It is all over the board…reason is nobody really gets the straight scoop because they are all biased….the kids on the other hand are biased when they are talking to each of the different sites…nobody knows till they sign or verbal.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
So what...
…it’s not like these guys are marquee recruits. A Oregon kid and a socal kicker.
Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!
Nope
We were just making up white lies that coaches tell recruits.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
see what you started
Next thing you know it’ll get out all over the Interwebs, and people will be asking Sark and the president of UW about it.
How accurate are your sources?
Parker to UW would be huge.
Also.....
POSTED BY: BRANDON HUFFMAN, SCOUT.COM WEST MANAGER
AT MON 2/1/2010 11:50 AM ET
11:50am – We’re hearing that Washington has been making a big move with 4-star safety Sean Parker and the Huskies are very much in the race for him with longtime leaders Michigan and USC.
I would say that they are that accurate.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I’m too old to be a recruit, but I got so excited there for a minute that I was ready to commit anyway.
Chris Young: Offense or defense?
Assuming Chris Young gets in eventually, I’ve really been wondering about something. Why do UW coaches want to try him on offense first? We picked up a couple of good RBs in this class and we also have Chris Polk so we seem pretty deep there. Not only that, but we seem pretty thin when it comes to LB and safety and also, as good of a RB Young is in high school, he seems like such a better player on defense, intimidating as hell and can really lay the lumber to opposing ball carriers. It seems like a no brainer to play him on defense so what’s the deal?
Defense
He can play anywhere but the need is obviously on defense.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
I have wondered the same thing. Unless Young is the next Corey Dillon, it seems to me that we would get more talent on the field with him playing defense.
Maybe he is the big back they been looking for
Only time will tell
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Our bragging rights don't expire for at least 21 years
I don’t want to ruffle the feathers of any of our Duck friends here, but a comment was made earlier about the Ducks’ winning streak over the Huskies, so I just thought that I’d point out that the overall series still favors the Huskies 58-38-5.
That’s assuming my source is correct. It really seems to me that it should be more like 958-38-5, but whatever. :)
Also, you forgot this somewhat significant record---
7-6-1 in the Rose Bowl, vs 1-4 in the Rose Bowl. 15 Appearances is 3rd overall, as well, tied with tOSU.
Oh, I know, they want the Fiesta Bowl credited. Fine. But then we get the Orange Bowl in 84 as well, so it’s still a wash. (Plus, that SHOULD be a National Championship credit as well, but the damn BCS didn’t yet exist.)
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Feb 1, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
1984
Yeah, I still have an Orange Bowl t-shirt from that season. I still get a bit grumpy thinking about BYU getting voted the champs after playing a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl. That Husky team would have demolished that BYU team. (He said, giving his completely unbiased opinion.)
I posted it up above! :)
Not in the same ballpark…
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Feb 1, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Oops!
I’m sorry! I misinterpreted the question. I thought you meant James versus Bellotti i head to head coaching. Thanks to whiskey chainsaw for getting it right and adding some uplifting stats! :)
Trick question
I believe Bellotti became head coach after Don James had retired, so they never faced each other as head coaches. Bellotti became head coach at Oregon in 1995 and Don James retired in 1992.
OREGON SKIDOO
Some of us would just like the focus on HUSKY recruiting.
Can’t we start a blog site for Ducks to vent. I really get tired of their moaning and groning. I know JB you are genteel and much more sympathetic to Quacks than I would be but enough is enough in this critical period. Half these posts are Quacks. Tell them to stay home and raise ducklings.
Sark
Coach Sark’s last Tweet, from two hours ago, was: “Man, the last 48 hours prior to signing day are intense, but fun!” I would love to know what the Husky coaches are up to. But we’re left to hope and speculate and dream. Sark sounds like he’s in a pretty good mood, though.
Go Huskies!
I agree
However when Oregon poaches a recruit you can expect a fly over…especially when some of our posters were not too happy about it….they do have a site and it is called Addicted to Quack.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Lagafuiana solid
According to scout (free story, so I think it’s okay to post here).
by B Money on Feb 1, 2010 2:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I’m taking great pleasure in noticing that Oregon whiffed on 2 of the 3 high level in-state DE’s this year despite that being a need position. Odighizuwa has ruled out Oregon and King will choose Cal according to the Contra-Costa Times.
Keep trying to recruit nationally and whiff on the local studs Oregon – great plan!
Our coaching staff has chosen to stop recruiting Gabe King, we didn't "whiff"
As for Owa, yea, that does hurt.
Seattle Ducks
Gabe King is from the East coast and lives with an Oregon booster…when that became known the coaches at California started going crazy and accusing Oregon of potential booster recruiting violations. That is why Oregon had to drop Gabe King…if he signed with Oregon it would have meant an investigation once it became known that he was housed for his senior year of HS by an Oregon booster…I mean his parents live 3000 miles away fro crying out loud.
You didn’t whiff….you got caught trying to cheat.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Bingo. A kid that has offers from Alabama, Michigan, Tennessee, North Carolina and Cal and Oregon doesn’t want him? Not unless there was some compelling reason, and John provided the answer.
Ducks wanted him and didn’t get him – that’s a whiff.
Not exactly a whiff
They would have loved to have him if it didn’t mean certain probation….Cal should kept their mouths shut and let him sign….then when the news came out that he moved 3000 miles to live with an Oregon booster would have been pretty fun to watch.
The only reason they didn’t get Gabe King is because they were caught red handed…probation baby.
Boosters paying off a recruit with free room and board while in high school….very nice.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
where did you see this?
I knew the Duck’s stopped recruiting him, but according to the press when he first went to Eugene he was living with an uncle or something.
Uncle Big Time Duck Booster
I forgot where I found it but I can dig it up.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
This is true.
The reason why they pulled his offer is that they would likely have a recruiting violation. Either it was because his Uncle was a big booster, OR because his uncle works with the university. Now, if he was raised in Eugene his whole life, it could be a different story, but he moved to Eugene only a few months ago, during recruitment.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
I heard he originally lived with a relative but a Duck booster asked him to move in with his family which by the way is a big no no.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 2, 2010 6:31 AM PST up reply actions
It was my understanding he moved out here because he had family here.
I guess my mistake is the assumption that it meant he going to live with his family for the remainder of the year, on his own decision.
I haven’t heard that the booster wasn’t family, but if that is true, it makes sense. My guess is Oregon will lose out on another commit out of this whole Gabe King situation too. They seam like good kids. I won’t be surprised if Cal gets the Carolina Trio sweep. (Gabe King, Keenan Allen, and Chris McCain.)
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
Sensationalize much, John? I wouldn’t dare call it “caught trying to cheat”.
I can see the kid’s logic. He was ineligible to play at his school in North Carolina due to district issues. He had family nearby a school he had interest in. So enrolling at a local school so he could play made sense.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
If his uncle was the booster no problem…the booster he lived with wasn’t related to him.
by John Berkowitz on Feb 1, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure which is better....(for me...) ?
“We started a new duck free recruiting thread”….or, “Lagafuiana solid”??!! I will go on the record as choosing the proactive,positive,high road here and taking “uiki” Lagafuaina! A solidly built,low center of mass-quick-gap-slamming DT… who with some work could figure very helpful…sooner than later! After all, as annoying as the constant squaking of ducks fans can get…leaving their “droppings” wherever they waddle….I must ponder,and ask all “Duck smackquackers”…which will occur first? a “Washington football win over Oregon”? or, a" Rose Bowl victory for Oregon in this Millenium" ? That said,Thank you for a Duck Free Zone!
embry out masoli gets reprieve
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/7554/three-ducks-wont-be-back-in-2010
small town, with the cops in phil’s back pocket.
if some recruit was to come here for a visit and said he wants to visit oregon we should just say go ahead we obviously misjudged you.
seriously these two schools are at polar opposites on every level.
May wanna check your facts, bud
As you can see in the story you linked above, Embry was kicked off the team on Jan. 8th. A full 2 weeks before any theft was alleged (on Jan. 25th). But nice try, I like the effort.
it's called back dating
Do we call dux from seattle, sucks?
by PandG on Feb 1, 2010 8:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
THe Story about Embry was Released 2/01/2010 not LAST WEEK
How Many Rose Bowls did Belotti go to…1 (one) LMFAO for the greatest coach in Oreogn History LMFAO. He went to the Rose Bowl with Rich Brooks team… geat clue Oregon fans…the days are numbered. You being out recruited.
The Tunnel is Hallowed and Sacred Ground
by bigdawgdaddy999 on Feb 2, 2010 1:21 AM PST up reply actions
Bellotti
He did win a Fiesta Bowl in 2001 when Oregon did, by all accounts, get screwed out of the national title game. I don’t think you can question for Oregon he was the best coach in their history.
I like how we are arguing about facts...
and then you take a shot at Bellotti. WTF?? When did Bellotti get brought up?
@PandG – Back dating? Seriously? The guy’s locker was cleaned out weeks ago. C’mon….you are blatantly ignoring FACTS.
TWO TO GO
No loss. We need the schollies. I see no loss in the two defectors. My big worry was we might not have enough for this year. I see some surprises coming and getting ATOE will look brilliant a few years from now. He plays basketball, wow. Maybe give him a BB scholarship and he plays both.
Duck Fans
I know that John started a new thread – but I would like to thank the duck fans for stopping by. Seriously. You guys provided some good tit for tat on this thread without ever getting into personal attacks. I hope you don’t feel like you got attacked. I thought the banter was great.
On the sour grapes issue, I’ll refrain from cracking the ol’ “when was your last Rose Bow win” zinger and just point out one simple little point: the fact that UW, just one season removed from a winless campaign, has a recruiting class whose quality is mentioned in the same ballpark as Oregon (ignore for a moment that both ESPN and Scout have UW’s ranked higher) should be cause for significant concern given the success that Oregon has had the last several seasons. UW hasn’t been to a bowl in years, and yet they are still attracting high quality Polynesian and Californian recruits who ought to looking elsewhere. This, more than anything, should have Duck fans wondering what is brewing up north. As I said before, there isn’t alot to be sour about.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
I think Sark will go down as a great hire...
Not sure when you guys will really “burst” through though. Will it be next year? I don’t think so. And I would blame your AD for that. I mean games @BYU and Nebraska coming to town? Tough way to start a season. Plus next year you have away games @USC, @CAL @Oregon. Will it be 2011? Sure the OOC schedule is easier, but you will also be breaking in a new QB (Montana?) I would think 2012 is the year everything comes together for the dawgs and they get to a good bowl (Alamo, Holiday).
Living in Seattle and watching the LSU, WSU and CAL games (I was at the stadium as well for the Ducks game) you can definitely tell this was a different team than years past. I think Sark is doing a hell of a job and that worries me. But it doesn’t worry me for a few more years.
Thanks for the hospitality, well except for PandG….that guy is delusional.
You call the Alamo and Holliday "good bowls."
We UW fans look more toward the Rose….
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Feb 2, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
It isn't as though
our recruiting classes have been far beyond yours these past 4 to 5 years. And everyone knows the star system is flawed look at all the 2 star recruits playing in the super bowl this Sunday. UW needs to start evaluating and progressing talent better, recruit all you want but 4 and 5 stars isn’t a tangible reality.
I know a lot of people from our respective schools immediately rub the other the wrong way with their mere presence.
I want to thank those that were patient with us Quackers that visited the hostile ground. I assure you, I won’t ever try to instigate a fight, and I’ll work to be be respectful to you Husky fans whenever I visit the land of the logo with the two creepy dogs that stare into my soul.
… they give me the jibblies…
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-N-O-B-A-L-L-S"
Kicker F UP
The Dawgs could have had Andrew Furney from Burlington-Edison – 3 time all state kicker in Washington with an in-game long field goal of 47 yards who was good to 55 in practice, they dissed him when he came in for his try out by signing Moldanado, then not letting Andrew kick. He wanted to be a Dawg – but now is a Coug – he is an absolute stud of a kicker and punter.
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