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Looking ahead to Notre Dame

Washington is 0-7 against Notre Dame in a series that dates back to 1948. The Huskies arrive in South Bend as a 13 point underdog in the final meeting of a six game series set up by former UW AD Barbara Hedges many moons ago. You would think that the Irish would enjoy continuing the relationship because 7-0 against a BCS foe with a good reputation isn't a bad thing to have. However for now there are no more games scheduled in the immediate future.

Notre Dame is off to another rough start this season even though former Irish coach Lou Holtz predicted a national championship. The reason for Lou's prediction was simple. The Irish have the type of schedule this season that they can run from start to finish. That dream ended abruptly against Michigan when the Wolverines upset the Irish in the final minutes of the game.

All the Irish had to do in the Michigan game was keep the ball on the ground and run out the clock. For some strange reason Charlie Weis decided to air it out and it gave Michigan the opportunity to preserve its timeouts, have enough time to mount one more drive, and win the game.

Weis has taken a lot of heat for the Michigan game and things really haven't lightened up despite sporting a 3-1 record. Notre Dame looked like a world beater in its opener crushing Nevada 35-0. Then came the inexcusable 38-34 loss to Michigan. Close wins against Big Ten bottom feeders Michigan State 33-30 and Purdue last weekend 24-21 have the Irish faithful restless and speed dialing 1-800-Urban Meyer. Remember this is the same Purdue team which got their butts handed to them at home the previous week by Northern Illinois.

Next up is Washington who in Steve Sarkisian's first season has already accomplished what Charlie Weis has never come close to doing and that is coming up with a victory against USC. That brings us to the major rub on Weis. He has never won a game in his tenure at Notre Dame over a team he wasn't supposed to beat. He has never beaten USC and Boston College treats him like a red headed step child. That doesn't sit well with Irish fans.

Weis has recruited well at Notre Dame. It seems like he as a top five class almost every single season. Recruiting isn't the problem and it should never be a problem at Notre Dame. What seems to be the problem is that Weis and his staff have a tough time putting those pieces together on the field for game day. We know they have superior athletes to a Purdue, or Michigan State but for some reason they aren't getting it done the the satisfaction of Irish fans.

On offense the Irish prefer to throw the ball around the field all night without ever trying to establish a solid running game. QB Jimmy Clausen is a good looking QB. He has a quick release and can put some zip on the ball when he has time. He still has problems with his decision making and can go through spurts where he is wildly erratic such as the fourth quarter against Michigan.

Clausen has been banged up with a turf toe injury the past couple of weeks. He spent most of the second half of the Purdue game on the bench only to appear for the last drive of the game to hit the winning TD with 24 second left against the Boilermakers. Clausen is expected to start against Washington but his play is really going to be limited by that big toe and how many times they can shoot it full of painkillers and cortisone. Dayne Crist will fill in if Clausen can't go or is knocked out.

The Irish are also missing their top WR Michael Floyd who is out till November with a broken collarbone. Starting tailback Armando Allen also missed the Purdue game with an ankle problem but will most likely play against Washington if he checks out on Tuesday. With injuries affecting such key components of the Irish offense, last Saturday's game really was about survival. Moving forward, it's all about improvement. This is a team that doesn't have the look or feel of a Top 25 team yet.

Notre Dame has struggled to run the ball this season. One thing they have done to help that part of the game out is throw a little Wildcat offense into the playbook. Golden Tate picked up 55 yards on nine carries with a nice TD run against Purdue. Robert Hughes picked up 68 yards on 15 carries with a TD.

Lets put this all in perspective. They only scored 24 points and gained 383 yards with 72 coming on the last drive against a Purdue defense which has as much resistance as a sieve. Washington is no defensive Juggernaut as we saw last weekend but they are going to give the depleted Irish offense some problems because of the way the two teams match up.

Defensively the Irish are giving up too many yards through the air. Purdue scorched them for 283 yard last weekend. On the positive side they were able to shut down a good running attack limiting the Boilermakers to only 74 yards on the ground.

Washington has a good shot in this game because they are catching the Irish at a great time. Clausen if he starts is going to be less than mobile which will give the Husky defense a slow target to put pressure on. The Irish don't have the tools to put together a power running game to pound the Huskies either. On the other hand this is South Bend and we are playing a squad we haven't beaten in a history extending sixty years. Even when banged up at key positions the Irish have superior athletes and depth at most positions in comparison to Washington.

This one may actually come down to whose staff puts together the best game plan. Did I mention that Sarkisian and Holt are undefeated against Notre Dame? Did I mention that in every game Weis has faced them it hasn't been even close? Did I fail to mention the athletes at their disposal were at USC and that may have had a little to do with it? All that being said both of these coaches are very familiar with Weis and the Irish. They won't be intimidated.

For the players of course it is an entirely different thing. If the Irish were traveling to Seattle this week I would pick UW as the favorite regardless of what happened at Stanford. The Cardinal by the way are a much better football team than the Irish. Since this game is in South Bend it is going to be rough. The mystique of playing a game in the shadow of TD Jesus, Rockne, The Gipper, Rudy, and the Golden Dome is always a mental challenge to handle.

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Notre Dame completed its Big Ten record at 2-1, and now it starts its Pac-10 part of the schedule. The Irish take on three Pac-10 teams in October — facing Washington at home this week, and following a bye, USC and Washington State. Then, at the end of the year, it's a trip to Stanford.

I got more text messages last night from ND people saying that same thing: 'Good to see a quarterback with some guts,' " Weis said Sunday, a day after Clausen fought through turf toe to lead the Irish on a last-minute drive to a 24-21 win at Purdue. "The word might not have been 'guts,' but they were impressed."

I have been waiting for this game a long time. The Huskies don't often play in my neck of the woods and whenever they do it is special. We will be hosting folks from Seattle from Wednesday to Monday and having a Dawg Pound style tailgate before the game in South Bend

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An editorial question John

NF people or ND people? I suspect a typo.

We’ll see if the Huskies are ticked off enough to make a game of it or will they still have a “deer in the headlights” attitude.

by T9ODawg on Sep 29, 2009 7:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Just to refute a few points:

Remember this is the same Purdue team which got their butts handed to them at home the previous week by Northern Illinois.

And the week before they almost won in Eugene against a team that looks like it might be the best in the PAC-10, so, football is crazy like that, ya know?

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Most importantly, this entire paragraph is so ridiculous, I’m going to break it down FJM-style:

On offense the Irish prefer to throw the ball around the field all night without ever trying to establish a solid running game.

Notre Dame has the 54th ranked rushing offense in the nation, which isn’t great, but is actually pretty average. Armando Allen was the 15th leading rusher in the nation before sitting out the Purdue game with a bad wheel. Notre Dame has 151 rushes to 132 pass attempts this season, In contrast to that, Washington has 136 pass attempts and a 132 rushes. I’d hate to have numbers get in way of this opinion, but the Irish can run the ball okay.

QB Jimmy Clausen is a good looking QB.

He’s not Brady Quinn, but yes, Jimmy is a good-looking young man.

He has a quick release and can put some zip on the ball when he has time.

Again, yes.

He still has problems with his decision making

Jimmy Clausen in 2009: 10 TD, 1 INT, 66% completion rate, 4th best passer rating in the country.

and can go through spurts where he is wildly erratic such as the fourth quarter against Michigan.

Jimmy Clausen in the fourth quarter against Michigan: 10 for 17, 133 yards and a touchdown. One incompletion was a freshman receiver not turning correctly on an out route and two more were just blatant drops by Golden Tate. Trailing 31-20 in the fourth quarter on the road, Clausen orchestrated two touchdown drives. He played okay.

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“accomplished what Charlie Weis has never come close to doing and that is coming up with a victory against USC.”

Uh, 2005? I’d obviously like to actually have beaten the Trojans over Weis’ tenure, but I don’t think you can’t say 2005 wasn’t close.

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by CW on Sep 29, 2009 7:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Isn't it a little early in the morning to be refuting...lol?

Remember this is the same Purdue team which got their butts handed to them at home the previous week by Northern Illinois.

CW: And the week before they almost won in Eugene against a team that looks like it might be the best in the PAC-10, so, football is crazy like that, ya know?

JB: It is a wacky year…thank God neither of us played Wake Forest ; ) Now seriously…we both know Purdue isn’t a great team. What happened at Oregon blows a lot of theories out of the water.

CW: Most importantly, this entire paragraph is so ridiculous, I’m going to break it down FJM-style: On offense the Irish prefer to throw the ball around the field all night without ever trying to establish a solid running game.

CW: Notre Dame has the 54th ranked rushing offense in the nation, which isn’t great, but is actually pretty average. Armando Allen was the 15th leading rusher in the nation before sitting out the Purdue game with a bad wheel. Notre Dame has 151 rushes to 132 pass attempts this season, In contrast to that, Washington has 136 pass attempts and a 132 rushes. I’d hate to have numbers get in way of this opinion, but the Irish can run the ball okay.

JB: Then why the heck didn’t you run the clock out in the fourth quarter against Michigan? Teams that have confidence in their running games do that. To me that is a statement of non confidence.

QB Jimmy Clausen is a good looking QB.

CW: He’s not Brady Quinn, but yes, Jimmy is a good-looking young man.

He has a quick release and can put some zip on the ball when he has time.

CW: Again, yes.

He still has problems with his decision making

CW: Jimmy Clausen in 2009: 10 TD, 1 INT, 66% completion rate, 4th best passer rating in the country.

JB: Against Nevada, Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue. Lets be realistic not exactly a group of tough defenses.

and can go through spurts where he is wildly erratic such as the fourth quarter against Michigan.

CW: Jimmy Clausen in the fourth quarter against Michigan: 10 for 17, 133 yards and a touchdown. One incompletion was a freshman receiver not turning correctly on an out route and two more were just blatant drops by Golden Tate. Trailing 31-20 in the fourth quarter on the road, Clausen orchestrated two touchdown drives. He played okay.

JB: That last drive killed ND. Perhaps you put that on Weis rather than Clausen.

"accomplished what Charlie Weis has never come close to doing and that is coming up with a victory against USC."

CW: Uh, 2005? I’d obviously like to actually have beaten the Trojans over Weis’ tenure, but I don’t think you can’t say 2005 wasn’t close.

JB: I am life long Irish fan by the way. They were my second favorite team till Weis took over. OK, I admit, I cry during Rudy. I think that was the most expensive moral victory in the history of any BCS school. ; )

by John Berkowitz on Sep 29, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: the last drive versus Michigan

Armando Allen had been hurt on the first play of that drive, a 13-yard run. Robert Hughes came in cold and ran for one yard. Options were now a bunch of back-up running backs who hadn’t carried the ball all day, including a sophomore with some fumbling issues who had already dropped the ball once in the third quarter. If one of those guys is put in and fumbles, then Weis gets crucified for that. If Floyd doesn’t gash his knee earlier in the quarter, he’s in there instead of Shaq Evans and he converts that out route for a first down with no troubles.

I also don’t think running the ball into the line two more times just to make Michigan use their timeouts is that big of a goal. In college football, getting the ball with two minutes left and no timeouts down only a field goal is not that great of a challenge with the stoppages from first downs. Yes, they certainly help to regroup if there is a sack or bad play, but “make Michigan use their timeouts” doesn’t win Notre Dame the game either.

Weis probably still should have ran the ball at least one more time, regardless of who the running back was, but it wasn’t as cut-and-dry as it would have been if Allen hadn’t gone down.

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by CW on Sep 29, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is why we have you here CW

We just want the straight scoop on ND…it has been fun….wish you were going to the game.

by John Berkowitz on Sep 29, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

You and me both. Very jealous.

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by CW on Sep 29, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Another more talented team, aren't they all after the

4 years of TW. At least this time I feel we have a chance rather than last years half hearted effort at HS, or gilby’s disaster, or Lambo’s route at ND after blowing the previous years game at HS. That first ND loss in Lambo’s reign still bugs me to this day. That was our best chance at winning one, and we blew it.
      Nuff said, new day, new coach, talent disadvantage still, I hope we give a LSU/USC performance and not be embarassed like at Furd. BTW, I still feel that Charlie ran it up last year when the game was won, yet elected to go for it on 4th down just so ND would never have to punt in that game, which they didn’t. I hope we can return that rub in this game if we get a chance.

by prrbrr on Sep 29, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Lambo's losses

First time was at home and we blew a big lead in the fourth quarter because we couldn’t kick the ball.

The return match in South Bend was ugly. Washington wasn’t prepared that day. I had a hot dog with DJ at the half and the consensus was lack of preparation. It happens and ND is very difficult place to play because of all the ghosts and traditions.

by John Berkowitz on Sep 29, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

golden losses

I was at that game in Husky stadium and Washington had the game won and was running the clock down under a minute. All they had to do was punt. Something always goes wrong against ND and the punter SHANKED it. ND first down on our 23 yard line.
ND scores game over another sad loss.

by Purpledawg on Sep 29, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was there too

It was the first time I ever heard the sad words shouted….“Fire Lambo”…that game was the start of the slippery slide for a real good man.

by John Berkowitz on Sep 29, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

shanked

I remember John Wales dropping the snap ( a good snap) just a drop and thus the ensuing poor field position. Also what was a mind breaker was leaving Derrick Mayes (AA and NDs best WR) totally uncovered for the 2 point tieing conversion in that disastrous 4th qtr. Like I said earlier, new day, new coach, time to put the echoes to sleep.

by prrbrr on Sep 29, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Silver Lining...

…to the aftermath of that fiasco was the emergence of Corey Dillon (I think I have my seasons right anyway) I think we played ucla the next week at Husky Stadium and absolutely buried them! Corey Dillon ran for like 5 TDs. SWeet memory!

by doubledeucedawg on Sep 29, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Corey Dillon cont...

…it’s funny looking back to think he didn’t really get started until that game. Can you imagine how many yards he would have rushed for had we been riding him from the start of the season?!

by doubledeucedawg on Sep 29, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am definitely getting ready to put my size 15 foot right back into my mouth

and I have the crow ready to bake another pie…

But I am still going with UW this week. We have trouble againist teams that are powerful…and in my opinion that isnt Notre Dame. I can see the score being 38-35 win this week. If our guys aren’t fired up after last years debacle and last weeks a$$ whoopin then we have bigger issues! We should have revenge on the mind!! Again, as always, I think we win this one in the 4th quarter after Weis makes another bone head coaching decision…what it is I dare not guess but we all know he is very capable.

UW 35
ND 31

History in the making!!

by bigdave967 on Sep 29, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions  

I think the Irish are certainly vulnerable, but until this team shows it can play well on the road, I have to favor Notre Dame. They have plenty of skill talent and the home crowd will be a factor. I think we have a coaching advantage, but a talent deficit.

It wouldn’t shock me at all if we win – we have Jake after all, and hard to believe he’ll have two bad games in a row – but I think playing this one in South Bend means the Irish win a close one.

Hope I’m wrong – after rooting for the Huskies to win and Oregon to lose, the next priority for me on Saturdays is rooting for Notre Dame to lose.

by kirkd on Sep 29, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

So Kirk, If Oegon were to play ND, who would you root for? Tis the questions I am facing.

Anyway, my hate for ND and support of all things Pac 10 (especially in this crazy thing called BCS) mandates that I hope you kick the crap out of the Domers.

I agree with your Coaching Advantage and Talent Deficit (but not by much, ND’s recruiting is a farce…an average recruit suddenly becomes outstanding as soon as ND recruits them…old media type crap). Your main disadvantage is on experience.

I just think Holt is going to be able to make some adjustments from the Furd game that frees up the LBs to get to Clausen and his bum toe a little more. Purdue’s D is terrible and they were able to contain and pressure him some.

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by Matt Daddy on Sep 29, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not Kirk but

to answer your question.

I would root for both to lose because I can’t decide who I would want to lose more. ND, I guess, for the sake of the Pac 10. You could construe that to mean I would root for the dUcks but not really

by T9ODawg on Sep 29, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

It makes it hard when UW or in your case Oregon plays a decent opponent OOC

You have this internal hatred (for lack of a better term) for your rival, but you know that if your rival wins and then you beat them later, it really helps your SOS and how you appear to the pollsters.

I think we can all agree that we hate the stupid BCS system and the internal conflicts it has created. Can’t I just root for my rival to lose…that would make it a lot simpler…hehe

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by Matt Daddy on Sep 29, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't hate anyone

hating requires more effort and emotion than I’m willing to commit but I don’t like UO or ND

by T9ODawg on Sep 29, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know hate is a terrible word...my thesaurus is broken

couldn’t come up with a better one.

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by Matt Daddy on Sep 29, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dislike

is a better word than hate but everyone seems to use the word hate instead of dislike.

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by T9ODawg on Sep 29, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s actually a really good question Matt. I think, as tough as it is to admit, I would have to pull for Oregon to beat Notre Dame based off of conference pride. That said, it would really depend on the particular situation. If Oregon winning meant them getting a better bowl game than the UW, I’d favor Notre Dame. If Oregon winning meant them winning the National Championship, I’d favor Notre Dame.

Really, the only ideal situation when Oregon plays Notre Dame is for both team buses to be frozen in carbonite before the game and it’s canceled due to lack of available players.

On this game, I don’t think Notre Dame has the same level of physical play on their O-Line that Stanford does, and I agree that Holt will probably find better answers against the Irish than he did the Cardinal.

On the Notre Dame talent level, I’m not sure I agree about them being over-rated. Or to be more specific, I’m not sure they are over-rated simply because they choose Notre Dame – from what I’ve observed, the guys Notre Dame recruits are usually already 4 or 5 star guys before Notre Dame offers them and before they commit.

I’ve seen that same argument about USC’s recruits, and I disagree with that as well. To the extent that USC recruits get a bump in their rating from USC offering them, A) I think the frequency of that is way over-stated, and B) is it really that odd to think that if Pete Carroll finds a kid worthy of an offer that it’s really unfair for a 3-star kid to get bumped up to 4-stars? Shouldn’t we expect that Pete Carroll knows more about rating a H.S. recruit than the recruiting websites? No offense to guys like Chris Fetters, but I’ll take Pete Carroll’s evaluation over theirs any day of the week.

(BTW, I’m only joking about “hating” Oregon – I look forward to the day, perhaps soon, when the UW is again superior to Oregon and we are winning the majority of the time when we match up, but I don’t really “hate” the school. Just some of their more obnoxious fans, present company excluded…)

by kirkd on Sep 29, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Kirk (present company excluded comment)..no offense taken

I think both school fans can hate each other’s school, but have a healthy respect for each other’s fans too.

First on recruiting: It is such a subjective science. Sure you can look at size, and stats, and measurements, but those things are all relative to where, how and when a kid plays. I just think ND is such an “old school” system, that when they are looking a player in Utah or BFE Iowa, the “pundits” in NY and California immediately take a guy on the bubble and move him up one or two spots. Farce may have been a little too harsh. I would say, their recruits have consistantly shown to not have been as great as they were made out to be in the first place.

Second to the Game: ND presents a very similar situation to that of USC for UW. Your coaches are very familiar with their system, and their style is similar to USC’s. Pro style QB, shifty backs, decent WR’s and TE’s. I think this game will be similar for Holt to gameplan for by letting your LB’s roam a little more in the backfield. Furd presented a bigger challenge in that the LB’s had to wait for Gerhart to come to them, downhill and full of speed. I see UW being able to create a lot more havoc on D, like against USC then the passiveness they played against Furd.

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by Matt Daddy on Sep 29, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always root for PAC 10 teams againist out of conference teams (even Oregon)

especially when it comes to Notre Dame…I have a pretty large hatred for them. In conference I hope Oregon loses them all…

Just my two cents.

by bigdave967 on Sep 29, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excited for the game.

My favorite team against my second favorite team…

Both teams seem inconsistent at this point. The Irish defense looked better last week than it had in the previous two weeks. Jimmy Clausen is really freaking good, though, and I think their running game will be just fine against the huskies.

If Floyd were available, I’d give this to the Irish by more than 10, but he isn’t, so I think this is winnable for the Huskies.

It will come down to which UW team makes the trip and which ND team is there to meet them.

by zeeehjee on Sep 29, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

My nephew

has the same problem. Roots for ND and the Huskies…ND first….he played football at a Catholic school in Eureka, CA

by T9ODawg on Sep 29, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think notre dame will lose 2 out 4 vs the pac ten.

washington state i will concede. the other three could or should win. stanford has overachieved so far. usc will beat notre dame. i think the huskies can win this game if jake locker throws no interceptions. that is a big if. nd has some injury problems. stanford has a good running attack and i think they have a better chance at beating the irish. ramble on!

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 29, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

2 for 4 for sure

They won’t beat Stanford or USC…at least they shouldn’t.

I am not so sure they will beat Washington.

by John Berkowitz on Sep 29, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Washington might be beaten already.

They’re buying the hype. Read the front page story on Dawgman.

The first meeting on Monday should’ve been a high-decibal lecture about not seeing, speaking about, or even thinking about the Hall of Fame, Notre Dame’s tradition, Touchdown Jesus, or the UW’s all-time record against the Irish.

I know that’s not realistic. But once the players even acknowledge that Notre Dame is different from any other road trip they take, the "away"-ness of the game gets that much more difficult to overcome. On the other hand, say something to yourself enough times, and it becomes true. To you, at least. Hokey as it sounds, it works…..

by Sundodger on Sep 29, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

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