Art Thiel Local Wordsmith
Art Thiel has been with the Seattle PI for over thirty years. Through the years he has had many assignments on the road to assuming Royal Brougham's throne which is the lead position in the Seattle PI sports department.
I have always been a big fan of Art because more than anything else I simply love the style and skill in which he writes. Art deserves the title wordsmith because he comes up with some words that I have never even seen printed let alone show up in a local sports page.
My first interaction with Art was when he asked his readers to send him their opinions on steroids in baseball after the last strike. The use of steroids of course is cheating and he wanted to know what the average fan thought and if it would forever tarnish their image of the game. He wanted to know if baseball could recover from that.
I wrote back to him and built the case that the strike and steroids were not going to have a lasting effect on the popularity of major league baseball because cheating has always been and will always be a part of the fabric and culture of the game.
I used former Mariner manager Maury Wills as just one of many examples. Maury ordered his groundskeepers to alter the size of the batters box and was caught almost immediately.
Whether it was Ty Cobb sharpening his spikes, spies stealing signs hiding in the scoreboard, players popping beanies, the owners colluding, or Gaylord Perry throwing a spit ball, cheating has always been an integral and historical part of the game. I stated that performance enhancing drugs were just the next step in the evolutionary process.
When a sports columnist actually asks people to write in they usually get thousands of responses. I received a call the next day from the PI asking if I would be willing to speak with Art on the phone because they wanted permission to run my letter. We had a great conversation and he just loved my original angle. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile.
During the preceding years we have bantered a bit on different subjects over time and I have found that he is usually right even if I did not initially agree with his opinion.
Here are just a few of Art Thiel's classics I was able to dig up for you to read at your leisure.
Clever, this NCAA politburo.
As with the old Soviet machine, it has mysterious ways of making civilians do its bidding without leaving much evidence of coercion.
After boiling down bureaucratic obfuscation in the decision yesterday, what the NCAA said to the University of Washington was, "Hey, thanks for firing Rick Neuheisel, but he's eligible for rehabilitation now.
"And by the way, good luck with that wrongful-termination lawsuit."
Here's how to tell when it's time for a tycoon to leave pro sports ownership:
When he starts sounding like a player.
Buckeyes have taken Horseshoe to the head
Don't misunderstand. I'm not saying "absolute drunken orgies" are right or wrong. In fact, I believe it's a degree program at Washington State. It's just that the UW is about a 12 Jell-O-shot underdog right out of the tailgate.
My all time favorite may have been the time Art ran a satirical column on the M's historical bad luck with drafting top rated pitching prospects. What makes it a favorite is it was picked up nationally as fact rather than satire. ESPN even mentioned it on Baseball Tonight.
Art was unaware of it until I e-mailed him to let him know that papers in Chicago and Atlanta were running it as gospel truth. He got a big kick out of that and was amused that the knuckleheads as he called them who repackage the news hadn't taken the time to read the complete article to get or understand the joke.
Alas, the odds are against M's top pick
Picking up a phone to answer a call from the Seattle Mariners, highly regarded pitcher Brandon Morrow suffered an injury to his pitching elbow Tuesday that may have to be repaired by "Tommy John" ligament replacement surgery.
"I don't know what happened," said a distraught Morrow, a right-hander from the University of California. "I just reached for the phone on the table and all of a sudden I had this sharp pain. I heard a little pop. Honestly, I didn't do anything unusual."
It may surprise some of you that Art is a University of Washington alum. If you were to ask him who his favorite college football team would be he would most likely say the Huskies. That being said his responsibility has never been to blindly defend the University of Washington in a way most fans would. His job as a journalist has always been to call it exactly the way he see's it and to expose the hypocrisy that exists in sports today.
Misguided leaders shaped Huskies' downfall
Begging your indulgence for a self-quote from a column of April 28, 2004, the following was my summary of the results of Washington's own in-house investigation into the abuses in the softball program under Wilson, the highly successful coach from 1991 to 2003:
A "zombie" player so high she was "swimming" on the dugout floor. Narcotic painkillers given freely, without exams or prescriptions. Stolen drugs. Claims of pain-med addiction. A doped-up player falling into a coach's arms. Fights between members of the training staff. Drugs to get on the field, drugs to get down, drugs to get up -- in the same day. In a two-year period, 3,100 doses of controlled substances issued in the name of a single softball player. In an 11-month period, 2,200 doses given to a single UW trainer.
Of all the writers who work in the PI Sports department Art probably has the best chance of surviving locally if he chooses to continue with the profession. It would be a shame if Seattle lost the voice of who I think is one of its last great remaining sports columnists.
As Dorothy once said to the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz:
Art, I think we will miss you most of all.
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You, John Berkowitz. . . .
. . . . are a class act. And now that my former OC and DC are now property of The Dawgs- I’ll be reading this blog as much as I’m able and rooting for your football team’s success (but not at the expense of the Men of Troy) from here on out.
This was a wonderful read and. . . .you certainly have journalistic talent yourself kind sir. I’m sure Art Thiel is honored by your obvious affection and proud of you (if, in fact, he has in any way, shape, or form has influenced you. as I’m sure he has).
Keep up the good work, and thanks again. I mean that.
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Thanks Bix
I am glad you are enjoying the blog.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 9, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Art
You are right on on this one. The PI sports group was not nearly as talented as the Times or even Tribune, but Art was and is a very good writer and I enjoyed reading his columns. He will be missed, by the Seattle Community.
Talent vs Resources
The PI has plenty of talent…just not as many resources as the Times has. Sometimes it is easy to confuse the two.
The Tribune?
You gotta be kidding!
I do like McGrath quite a bit.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 8, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
John
I second Bix. The series on the PI guys has revived old memories. We wont say how old! I enjoyed reading the columns from Art. As we now look back on things, he was right on often. I particular, I enjoyed his take on the Sonics sale and the now true prediction. I hope he lands somewhere I can still read him, and the things he is writing about are pertinent to local guys like me. Thanks again for the great job here.
I don't know about Art...
I haven’t been reading the Seattle papers for more than 5 years but in the time that I have Art Thiel has always seemed pretty antagonistic toward UW athletics. He might be joking, but I never like his tone, and even though he attented the UW I seriously doubt that he’s a big fan of the football program. Thiel bashed on Woodward for being from the SEC, insinuating that in the South they will do anything, moral or immoral, to win. I have also heard him call cheating and NCAA violations a UW “tradition.” Whether he’s joking or not I don’t know, but I’m sure not laughing.
To be honest, I’m not one bit sad that I won’t be reading any more of Art’s columns. I’ll stick with the Times.
ART
In times past I used to really enjoy Art’s columns. I agree with you about him being a wordsmith. But over the past couple years or so it got to where I wondered if Art was a sports fan any more. His articles seemed to be more combative than informative. He seemed to take the negative and run with it a little more often. But again I will say I did enjoy his work in days gone by. He was very good. I won’t miss him as much as I would have but I still respect his overall body of work.
Curious
You bring up a curious point. It seems like the PI sports department in general have really made their money off the negative slant the last few years. I wonder if that is a direction Art pointed them in, or just the only thing they could make money off of.
Overall I have enjoyed his work, but I’m a simple guy, college educated, but simple. I firmly believe words I’ve never heard of before have no place in a newspaper. In a novel yes, but not in a newspaper.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
Geeze, Louise!
I’ll only say this to the Grumpy Gils who’ve taken the time to spit on Art Thiel’s name and sully John’s kind post- be lucky Y’ALL don’t post comments over at Conquest Chronicles. (puh-lease, any Trojan-bashing would be predictable at this point forward. so I wouldn’t if I were you.) I would eat you up. With words. I mean kicking a man (Art) when/if he loses his job? Feelings of self-entitlement to post negatively about another man’s friend/mentor/peer? What a bunch of jokes?)
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Nice profile John
I agree that Thiel is a talented writer and a unique voice among sports writers across the country. He is one of a kind, and lifts the quality of sports dialogue in Seattle. If you are a fan of Seattle sports you really can’t ignore Thiel’s take on any local topic, it is usually insightful and original. He absolutely will land on his feet, there is no way a writer this good won’t find prominent work. Unfortunately though, I have to also agree Dawg71’s comments about the tone of some of his recent columns. While a lot of what he has written about UW football is true and deserved, it seems like he is hanging on to past transgressions while numerous pages have been turned at the university. He does write positively about UW hoops at least.
Art is an outstanding columnist, the best in the area. Clearly a guy that thinks deeply about his views rather than jumping from one bandwagon to the next (*cough*Steve Kelley*cough*). His book about the Mariners is a must-have for any serious M’s fan.
As many have pointed out, his columns usually make you think, and while you may not agree with all of them when they are printed, more often than not Art is proven correct.
Where he gets into trouble with Husky fans is his long-held scorn for big-time college athletics. It’s not that he has any particular axe to grind with the UW – it’s the entire NCAA he’s taking to task. It just so happens the UW is the local big-time college athletic program, and like it or not the UW has had their fair share of athletic department scandals.
I understand Art’s position on big-time college athletics. I don’t agree with all of his points, but I understand where he’s coming from and given that, I don’t take any particular offense when he uses the UW as an example in his continuing disdain for the NCAA.
I have a feeling Art will continue to be a major voice in local sports, and I’m certain he will continue to be employed as a sports columnist if he so desires (though it may require him to move).
I am not a Kelly fan
I never have been.
Maybe it is because he is from Philly.
Never have been able to put my finger on it but there was always something missing.
I will give him this….he knows basketball.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 8, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Art's Tone and the history of the program
Art confided to me years ago that he felt that there were serious ethical problems in which the way the UW Athletic Department was being run.
I think during the AD tenures of George Briggs, Dr. Joe Kearney, and Mike Lude the program had strong leadership, achieved success, and was relatively as clean as the norm of the day allowed.
Under Harvey Cassil in the 1950’s there were major problems which resulted in crippling sanctions and the break up of the old conference.
When Jim Owens took over for Briggs in the mid 60’s things began to slide again because the dual job of head football coach and AD was too much for any one man. The failure of the University to be a leader in dealing with racial culture change was a huge failing by Owens and the department.
The reign of Barbara Hedges was a complete disaster which resulted in crippling sanctions soon after the national championship. The numerous problems regarding Rick Neuheisel, the final four pools, and Dr Feelgood all happened under her tenure and were the direct result of a clear lack of institutional control.
So I think it is fair for Art to be critical of the athletic department at Washington and the NCAA.
I don’t think we should expect sports columnists who have a closer view than we do to ignore the hypocrisy and gloss it over with cheerleading for the local team.
I like were our athletic department is right now. I like the culture that is developing. As sports fans we should all realize that ethics can be a slippery slope if you start going in the wrong direction a little bit at a time.
So ya….Art may seem negative at times and we may not like it but somebody has to tell us once in awhile when the Emperor Isn’t Wearing Any Clothes. I think if you are going to be a responsible journalist you need to do that to serve the community you are addressing. If you don’t you aren’t doing your job.
I appreciate...
…your comments John. Your personel relationship with Art helps you to understand where he is coming from. Your knowledge has helped me to understand him better. I have read Art for quite a few years and have always enjoyed his writing. It’s the last few years that seemed more negative than needed to be ( not just UW articles) but at least I now know a little more about why. He should stay in the area and find work hopefully. Thanks for giving us a forum to share our thoughts and opinions. Sometimes we learn a little too.
good points John
Thiel is pretty consistent about shining the spotlight on the cockroaches in the sports world, and that is important. I just wonder if he still sees the joy in sports as well. That is why we read the sports page after all.
Joy
I think there is still plenty of joy.
Here are his most recent and they both celebratory.
you're right
Those are both inspirational columns. Thiel’s still got it.
Art Thiel?
Art Thiel is one of those guys, the other being Mike Riley, who make me wonder why they became sportswriters at all, since they seem to hate sports so much. I don’t know if Thiel is a “wordsmith” or not, but he’s definitely a downer.
Especially when it comes to the Huskies — which is the only reason Seattle sports are worth caring about — Thiel’s columns struck the same honking note over and over. His disdain for Husky fans was apparent. It’s possible to be critical without crossing the line to contempt. Compare Thiel to Mitch Levy on KJR, for example.
Most of us are sports fans for purely irrational reasons. We like sports because they’re fun. We like our teams because they’re our teams. The last thing I need is some superior jerk telling me what an idiot I am because I like Husky football.
But don’t worry about Thiel, he can always get a job with E! doing the red-carpet commentary at the Oscars.
I work in an office building very close to the P.I. and frequent the espresso shop across the street from the P.I. and see Art (and other P.I. personnel) in there periodically. I’ve never spoken to him – I figure he probably get strangers coming up to them all the time wanting to talk sports and I don’t want to be that guy – but I’ve been tempted on occasion to ask him about his stance on the Huskies and let him know what a polarizing figure he is on Husky message boards. I’m sure he’d get a chuckle out of knowing how many Husky fans see him as a Husky-hater.
Art’s a smart guy with a strong personality. Of all the P.I. sports staffers losing their jobs, I figure he’s the most prepared to land on his feet.
Art will most likely be fine
This articles is about his skill as a columnist. He is one of the best no matter what the stance.
Sports writers are artists and they all have ego’s.
One thing I have been able to pick up along the way is that in general they really don’t respect bloggers.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 10, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
One thing I have been able to pick up along the way is that in general they really don’t respect bloggers.
Well, the beauty of the internet (anyone can contribute) is also the drawback of the internet (anyone can contribute). Obviously, not everyone that takes up blogging is a great writer or thinker. But even then, there is value that can be had in enthusiasm and simply covering ground that is neglected by the traditional media.
Traditional media writers understandably look at blogs and see that, in most cases. the bloggers don’t have an editor in place to catch simple errors or provide bigger picture guidance and direction. They see many writers who have little to no training in writing and it shows. And given their background and work experience, this understandably can grate on traditional media writers. Most grating I’m sure is the fact that (with few exceptions) bloggers work essentially for free, so as the proliferation and popularity of blogs grows, traditional media writers find their own jobs in jeopardy.
But there are notable bloggers out there that really add tremendous value to the discourse of just about every subject under the sun. That’s one advantage of bloggers and the internet – there’s pretty much nothing that goes uncovered. Sometimes the simple enthusiasm and joy of bloggers also is enough to overcome a lack of great writing skill or original thinking.
I’m sure you’d be the first to admit your writing skills don’t match Art’s. But you provide an excellent resource for Husky fans desperate to discuss their favorite team, and you have enough contacts and football savvy to draw from to add significantly to the intelligent discussion and analysis of the Husky programs. And we Husky fans thank you for that…
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
I’m sure you’d be the first to admit your writing skills don’t match Art’s.
Art is one of the best in the country and not many pro’s are on his level. I try to compare my work to what is in the major newspapers and even though it keeps improving it probably won’t get to that level. Resources like experienced editors are very important not to mention a degree in journalism with a minor in english.
I do have a very serious day job just like everyone else. If all I did was concentrate on writing I think the content and style would improve considerably. I only have so much time to punch this stuff out. Usually it is early in the morning or late at night.
As far as respect for bloggers goes the local media could improve in that respect. In almost four years of doing this I have received only one link to an article in the Times or PI. It isn’t important to me but you would think that since these guys read me every single day that I would have posted more than one article that was worth linking to in that time frame.
The Q&A I did with Nathan each week in his PI blog was the exception. Nathan’s blog was excellent and he is an exceptional analyst. That being said he never got much or any mention either and he wrote some great stuff.
What I find odd is that while I am ignored locally I do show up in places such as the Oregonian from time to time. So maybe they have some unspoken rule of not helping promote local blogs because of the erosion they have caused. Seems to be different with baseball though. Lookout Landing and the USS Mariner are hard to ignore because of the Sabremetric slant. I do think that this blog is getting close to that level as far as Husky football is concerned.
Blogs and the Internet in general have eroded the influence and revenue streams of newspapers. When the PI is reborn online it will be very blog heavy which will undoubtedly will take away jobs from people who have invested years in the craft. I can understand where they are coming from in that respect.
I’ve achieved my goal with this blog and that was to have a corp group of twenty people to discuss Husky football with. It wasn’t to get famous or attrat ateention to myself. The fact that we get 1200 readers per day in the off season blows me away. If the team actually starts winning that will go up dramatically and add to the fun we are all having with this.
Another thing I am proud about is the content on this blog is unique for the most part. You won’t find it anywhere else. It is quite different from Dawgman for example and doesn’t infringe on what they concentrate on. It does draw on all sources for inspiration but that is what blogs do.
We aren’t reporters.
We are commentators.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 11, 2009 3:51 AM PDT up reply actions

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