Scout.com West 150 Released
by B Money on Mar 25, 2009 2:54 PM PDT
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Printand local product Jake Heaps checks in at #2. Some other noteable locals after the jump.
As usual Southern California owns the lions share of the hottest recruits this side of the Rockies. However, more noticeable this year is the larger presence of some talent grown right in our own backyard. The most notable names include:
Rank Name Pos School Ht/Wt/40 Commit
2 Jake Heaps QB Issaquah (Wash.) Skyline 6-2/195
28 Sione Potoae DT Lakewood (Wash.) Lakes 6-3/285/4.90 Washington
35 Jamaal Kearse WR Lakewood (Wash.) Lakes 6-2/200/4.59
41 Chris Young OLB Auburn (Wash.) Auburn 6-1/215 Washington
56 Aaron Dunn TE Spokane (Wash.) Mead 6-6.5/235/4.79 Washington State
64 Christian Wesley WR Silverdale (Wash.) Central Kitsap 6-4/206
69 Julious Moore DT Bellevue (Wash.) 6-0/255
79 Happy Iona DE Spanaway (Wash.) Bethel 6-2/245
93 Darius Waters OLB Lakewood (Wash.) Lakes 6-2/215 Washington
94 Mitch Saylor WR Camas (Wash.) Union 6-6/205
114 Colin Porter OG Issaquah (Wash.) Skyline 6-4/280
115 Larry Dixon RB Silverdale (Wash.) Olympic 5-10/210
122 Maxx Forde DE Woodinville (Wash.) 6-4/230
126 Jase Butorac OT Issaquah (Wash.) Skyline 6-3.5/280
127 Mike Marboe OC Wenatchee (Wash.) 6-3/280
128 John Fullington OT Belfair (Wash.) North Mason Options 6-6/270 Washington State
137 Ben Riva OT Seattle (Wash.) O'Dea 6-6/285
145 Connor Hamlett TE Lynwood (Wash.) Meadowdale 6-7/240
146 Michael Hartvigson TE Bothell (Wash.) 6-6/235
From what I can gather with 19 players on the list -- although very early -- Washington has a fine crop of young talent to harvest. The Coogs have managed to pick up two fairly complete prospects in TE Aaron Dunn and OT John Fullington. Both of these kids are from east of the mountains and commited very early.
Washington on the other hand has managed to lock up 3 of the top 100 in Potoae, Young and Waters. All three of these kids are getting serious looks from the Pac-10 schools and could shift higher in the rankings by the time their respective Senior seasons end. At number 35, Jamaal Kearse (who's brother Jermane plays for UW) is getting looks from as far away as Vanderbilt. I would expect the family and locale ties to be enough to lure him in as a fairly early commit.
My only real complaint about the list is the non-inclusion of FB Zach Fogerson from O'Dea HS in Seattle. He easily projects to be one of the top 10 FB prospects in the country. It could just be a minor oversight, or perhaps purposeful, due to the lack of importance of the position (with the rise of the spread offense). They did not include one -- I repeat, not one -- Fullback in the list. Surely Zach Fogerson is a better prospect than Mario Brown (the #15 RB prospect on the list, checking in at #150 overall).
Another thing that did shock me was the gap between Heaps at number 2 and Potoae at number 28. It signifies four things to me.
1. Heaps is by far one of the highest rated recruits to ever come from the state of Washington.
2. The In-State talent in the class of 2010 seems to be very balanced and/or
3. The In-State kids are being overlooked and/or
4. The In-State kids while strong, are overshadowed by equally strong classes from other States.
Does this mean that the Washington kids have not gotten enough looks, or does it really mean that once again Washington is playing second fiddle to California. Please give me your thoughts in the poll.
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This will always be the case.
Washington is a distant number 2 behind California. But don’t feel slighted, just imagine how the talent in Oregon and Idaho pans out!? That’s why the Huskies can be successful if they just put up a fence around Washington and then hit Cali and the other western states.
Lawyer Milloy was like a second teamer in the eyes of the recruiting media. Steve Emtman wasn’t even rated! Brian Urlacher got no major offers other than the home team New Mexico. It is very hard to project 17 and 18 year olds. Thus recruiting is a very inexact science.
Washington Husky Football-1991 National Champions
Steve Emtman wasn’t even rated!
The Steve Emtman recruiting legend is like the classic fish tale in how it grows over the years.
While it’s true that Emtman wasn’t flooded with offers and wasn’t a Long Beach Telegram “Best in the West” guy, he wasn’t an unknown either – he was an All-State selection as a Senior, was being pursued by WSU, Army, Stanford and others besides Washington and was at least a Red Chip by the Seattle Times (if not a Blue Chip – I don’t have my old media guides in front of me).
Given his level of accolades and offers, it’s likely that had the internet recruiting services been around back then, he’d have been a 2-star guy, possibly cracking 3-stars based off his film and how he may have looked at recruiting combines (if they had existed back then).
It doesn’t diminish any the Steve Emtman legend to acknowledge that, while he wasn’t an all-world recruit, he also wasn’t someone that came out of nowhere either. Anybody that was following Washington High School prospects back then was aware of Emtman, and while he didn’t have the hype around him that Mike Lustyk had, he was known.
My bad...
…I should have said I was referring to the Long Beach Press list. That used to be the biggest thing going in recruiting. Only the very best on the west coast get on that list. It used to be dominated (probably still is) by Cali guys for obvious reasons, and as a rule, I don’t think that is going to change. I think Milloy might have been a second or third teamer on that list.
You can base whether you had a successful recruiting haul on what the gurus say to a degree. You have to trust your coaches though. They are the real experts. I said it before and I’ll say it again, if you get in on a sleeper kid early and get him signed, that is a good thing. I’m not saying don’t go out there and battle all of the other schools for kids but you need to get a certain mix because of all the competition out there.
Washington Husky Football-1991 National Champions
By the way...
I work with Urlacher’s uncle. He said out of high school he was like 6 feet tall and weighed about 190 pounds. He had speed but was too small in the eyes of the big boys. Who could have imagined he’d end up being a MONSTER!
Washington Husky Football-1991 National Champions
So far so good...
Sark and company have had a strong start to the 2010 class. I see us getting at least 10 of the top 100 West kids. I think you will see Fogerson get ranked last because of the FB position. If you look at past recruiting years that was typically the smallest pool of players and not many get a high ranking because of it. Very similar to a kicker/punter. Not many teams need them so they kind of fall to the side. But make no mistake that he will be a top 5 FB.
Has anyone heard of Christian Wesley? This name came out of nowhere for me. At 6’4 he could be the end zone target that Sark loves to have. Any info would be great.
Fogerson
I think it is really interesting that he isn’t on the list. He projects well at a number of different positions. I think the injury last season could have lowered his rating a bit coming into the combines and camps.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 26, 2009 10:24 AM PDT reply actions
Fullington/Wesley
Fullington is listed as from Belfair, this isn’t from Eastern Washington this is between Gig Harbor and Bremerton on HWY 3. I actually have a friend whose son played for Central with Wesley and I watched him against my daughters high school last year. He was tall and used his size over the smaller High School Defensive backs to his advantage. Caught a touchdown against us but seemed underused. He didn’t blow us away but I had the feeling if he would of been utilyzed more in the game we had nobody who could hang with him. It was hard to judge him because our team was so bad… LOL..
I know that...
I spaced and confused it with something else. My Dad actually lives in gig harbor and I play golf at gold mountain all the time…sorry it was a colossal brain lapse. From your analysis it sounds like he has a huge physical advantage over everyone but it doesn’t seem like it will pan out at the next level. Maybe it will, maybe it won’t, hopefully the latter. Athleticisim (sp?) and physical gifts can only take you so far.
Central Kitsap
I went to Central way back when. It is now a 4A school. It is located in Silverdale (between Bremerton and Poulsbo).
Wesley
I talked to my buddy whose son played for Central last year with Wesley and here is his comments. He thought that Wesley was way under used. They only threw to him a couple times a game. Wesley also excelled in basketball last year for Central. He also heard that Wesley has been gong to some combines/camps after the season and has finally been getting noticed. Their QB last year was a senior but if the next QB is any good maybe they’ll use him alot more this year.
The fact that he was under used probably attributed to his noteriety.
Wesley II
Wesley officially burst on to the scene during the 7 on 7 competitions in Las Vegas.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 26, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions
The fence
Everybody agrees that to be successful, you need to consistently get the best in state minus the one every year who is a die hard coug. Stanford due to its academics and connections will also usually get the 1 in state player a year who is both talented athletically and academically.
Our problems started when we were no longer 3rd in the pecking order in California after USC/UCLA . DJ went after the kids who were wanting to get away for whatever reason, plus he highly recruited Nor California with the Husky Hunters esp in the bay area. With Tedford at Cal, and the recent success at Nike U, we started to lose those recruits and ASU started to siphon off the So Cal inland empire,
TW was willing to settle for WAC and less type recruits. We have to win with what we have to get back to making inroads with the top talent. These are 17/18 year olds, their memory is less than 1k Ram (or about the past 3 years if that).
It shouldn't take long..
the UW is still a fantastic university in a great city. The Husky Tradition is strong over the long term. These are young energetic coaches and kids are going to want to play for them. If you get Husky Stadium rockin again…LOOK OUT!
by doubledeucedawg on Mar 27, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Nebraska game in 92
I hope some of you guys went to that game. It was unbelieveable! It was so loud! I think it was one of the first night games. The crowd realized it was screwing up the big red offense and they just kept getting LOUDER and LOUDER! Their whole backfield was getting pummeled repeatedly. One of the best games EVER at Husky Stadium!
by doubledeucedawg on Mar 27, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
140 Decibels
A Learjet at takeoff is only 100-110 decibels.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
I think a the fact that the incoming class was born...
right about the time the Dawgs won the title. I know if I was recruited out of high school that I would love to have that full circle sort of mentality and help bring UW back to prominance.
SBN needs a coment editor...
my grammar is atrocious. What I meant to say is I think all the pieces are falling in place this year (see: Sark and Staff, bumper crop of talent, the reminder that these kids were being born when UW was the best in the land, etc.) and it could be the definitive class to thrust us back where we belong.
Spell Check?
unrel…hold your cursor over the word, in this case unreal, right click and you’ll get options for spelling. My wife is SOOOOOOOO smart!
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I think it's cause you're using
Firefox or Opera…Internet Explorer doesn’t come with a spell check. And I meant a comment editor…similar to what the fanpost editor does. So that I can go back and edit my comment after I post it, when I realize that I completely botched the grammar, or it makes no sense.
I voted for the "other" category
I don’t buy into a lot of the hype surrounding the .coms. But I do believe the reason Heaps is such a hot commodity is because of what he brings to an offense, particularly a pro style offense.
A pro style QB is a hot commodity and it always will be. The pro style guy needs all the characteristics, i.e. fundamentals, machincs, footwork, strong arm, accuracy, above average intelligence, and height. A spread guy just needs to be athletic with a good arm. BIG difference in the two style of offenses.
So “if” Heaps has all the above then he’d definitely be another young Mark Sanchez comming out of the prep ranks. Anytime a kid who comes out and has all the tools for the pro style is going to be a head turner. Heaps is that kind of kid and his stock illustrates that.
But no, I do not buy all the hype from the experts. Good football coaches have an eye for talent and recruit them to fit into their system. Heaps would be a HUGE gem to get and it will probably seal the deal for Sarkisian’s tenure. Get Heaps and kids will line up to sign with Washington.
All I saw was purple
I've got bad news
I don’t mean to rehash our argument about offensive styles, but I’ve got proof that not every top QB is attracted to the pro-style offense. Here’s a link to a very recent article on Heaps. http://washington.scout.com/a.z?s=147&p=2&c=850656
“I just got off the phone with (Oklahoma quarterbacks) coach (Josh) Heupel, and Oklahoma offered me,” Heaps told Scout.com. “I’m really excited about the Oklahoma offer. I’ve been talking to the Oklahoma coaches since my sophomore year and it’s a prestigious school and has been really successful this last little bit. I also run a version of what they do, so I know I could be successful there.”
Heaps is a hot commodity because he is extremely talented,and would work well in any offense that throws the ball. He would work well in the pro-style offense, but is that what HE wants? Maybe he wants a more pass orientated offense?
What’s my point? Just because Sark runs it, and you love it, doesn’t mean Heaps wants to run that sort of a system.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
This isn’t bad news. Every kid that is a 4 and 5 star recruit is going to get calls from everybody. The big boys continue to endlessly recruit a kid up until the 11th hour of signing day (feb. 4th). Just because Oklahoma has come calling are we suppose to quake in our boots?
Hell I’d be excited that Stoop’s assistant called me too- that doesn’t mean I’d sign with them. We have the inside track on Heaps and Jake is going to make a desion after he sees Sark and the Huskies in Spring ball action.
Oklahoma could offer Heaps a lot. But what Oklahoma offers is amateur compared to what other programs could offer. I am more worried about USC, Alabama, or Tennessee getting Heaps then loser Stoops.
All I saw was purple
Swing and a miss
You completely missed my point. I’m not at all concerned about Oklahoma. I was trying to point out the flaw in your previous post worshipping the pro-style offense and all the recruits who are going to flock to the UW because we run it. Just because you like the pro-style offense doesn’t mean Heaps likes it.
I am a little concerned that Heaps might want a more pass orientated offense. Heaps obviously likes Oklahoma offense, which you previously have spoken out against do to all the scoring it produces.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
Some QBs...
…are not necessarily looking past their college careers at this point. Some of them just want to get the best offer at the best school that they can get. I think the pros can still recognize talent whether a kid runs one offense, or the other. Is it an advantage to have run their (pro) offense for several years? Yes it is.
by doubledeucedawg on Mar 27, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions
Don't Agree
A 4 or 5 star recruit has visions of playing professionally. That is ultimately the dream. College ball is the next step in seeing that dream become a reality.
Now Lear and I have debated the pro style vs. the spread style enough. Yet don’t think for a second that kids look at what schools can offer them a better chance of going pro someday w/ a bright future. My question about Oklahoma is how many pro quarterbacks do they send to the NFL? Answer: Zero.
Now to you and I, putting kids in the pros is not our concern. We are more in tune as to what transpires at Washington- that’s why we are fans. But from the recruits perspective, finding the right road to the pros is a HUGE deal to them believe it or not.
On Oklahoma: Great program and with them and Texas as the only two major powers in the Big 12, they are essentually asured a spot in a BCS bowl game every year. Right now the Big 12 is a top heavy league. Don’t agree? Checkout OK.State and T. Tech’s bowl malfunctions last year. The 12 member leagues don’t face off every year like in the Pac 10 and have the luxuary of loading up on the weaker league opponents- not to mention but have enough Big 12 North opponents on your schedule and it is basically a cake walk.
But if Heaps thinks going to Oklahoma is going to offer him a better shot at reaching the ultimate goal of playing professionally then he’d better check the Sooners track record for Oklahoma QBs in the league. Can you actually name one NFL QB that came from Oklahoma?
Breaking News: Sam Bradford is going to be a bust in the NFL. He is too frail, no arm strength to hit pro style routes, and hasn’t had to read defense. When you are surrounded by that much talent, you don’t have to read defense. And sitting out in shotgun will kill his confidence of getting under an NFL center. The kid has had a great college career,but his stock is going to plummet. Why else do you suppose he withdrew his name from the draft?
Pro style kids are the QBs of the NFL, occasionally their might be a one hit wonder, but very slim. If a pro career is a dream for Heaps, he’d better stay clear of Norman, OK.
All I saw was purple
I think Graham Harrell..
is a perfect example of a system quarterback that nobody wants to take. He could be good, but odds are that he won’t payoff in the NFL because of his lack of experience.
It seems like ever since Andre Ware that NFL clubs are sketchy on gimmick QB’s.
Yet...
Don’t be too sure Harrell doesn’t have a better pro career over Bradford. When you play at Texas Tech you aren’t surrounded by all-world talent like at OU. Harrell has to do more with less then what Bradford has had at Oklahoma.
What it comes down to is kids that come from spread offenses stink as a pro prospect. Vince Young is a prime example and I doubt the kid will ever bounce back. Now take a look at Matt Ryan and Joe Flacko, or Ben Rothlisberger and Carson Palmer. I can’t think of one college spread guy that has made a name for himself yet in the NFL. Matt Linehart hasn’t produced much as a pro yet, but he is still young and if he gets an itch to win a QB competition then surely his career could take off.
Want another spread guy that was a QB bust? Alex Smith was the No.1 overall draft coming out and not only did he lose his job, but was released from his contract.
The pro style is the way to go. It is a great deal maker for offensive recruits who have a dream of playing professionally. And with that said the real schools that have a legit shot at getting Heaps are Alabama, Tennessee, BYU, and Washington (not in that order). And if USC comes calling then we’ve got a lot more to be worried about.
Heaps is going to make a decision after Washington’s spring camp. Once he see’s Sark, Holt, and the Dawgs in action I think the kid will sign.
Go Heaps! WOOF!!!!
All I saw was purple
USC got Barkley
and he’s one of the better Pro-Style QB prospects of the last few years, so I’m not so sure USC will try and pick him up. I also think Jake knows that he’ll have 10x the competition if he goes to a powerhouse school and that he might have to sit if he even gets jittery. Nobody will love Jake Heaps like the UW, and I think Jake Locker drives that idea home.
I hope he reads blogs like this. He might commit on the spot if he could see how much he turn an entire community around.
Good Point
Not saying that UDub is the right place for Heaps to get acclimated to a pro career, but Sark is offering that experience to all prospective offensive recruits. And whos to say Heaps doesn’t step into a starting position after Locker graduates? I think it would benefit Heaps tremendously to redshirt. Secondly it will be beneficial to study Locker for a season, wear headsets, signal in the offensive plays, and rep with Locker in practice.
Mark Sanchez studied under both Linehart and David-Booty and in one full season the guy was one of two pro style QBs ready to make the jump to the NFL. I would’ve liked to see what Sanchez could’ve done at SC for one more year w/ Sarkisian as his coach. Then again I’m glad I don’t have to see it, because Sanchez’s coach is now our coach.
Go to Oklahoma, Tennessee, or Alabama and if you succumb to the pressures of being THEE quarterback and fail- who’s to say that Stoops, Kiffin, or Saban won’t bench you for the local kid? I don’t care if you are a 5 star kid or a 1 star kid- go elsewhere and their are no guarrentees. Stay home and play ball for the Dawgs and you my fellow Husky are golden- literally of course.
Go Dawgs! WOOF!!!
All I saw was purple
Open your eyes!!!
Heaps was quite clear, he like the Oklahoma offense because it’s similar to what he runs. Locker came to the UW because he wanted to be a dual threat QB. Heaps wants an offense that is similar to what he runs now. Don’t forget he is a TEENAGER, he is use to being successful at everything he does. In his mind it doesn’t matter what style offense he is in, he will make it to the NFL either way. Doubledeucedawg is right, he probably isn’t looking that far into his future.
Do spread QB’s fail in the NFL more than pro-style, yes. Can a spread QB be successful in the NFL, yes. It’s all about coaching, great QB coaches develop great QB’s. For example, Joe Montana, how many NCAA records does he hold? How many Notre Dame records does he hold? He was great under pressure and had a great QB coaches in the NFL. You take Alex Smith and put him under Holmgren for a few years and he could have been a Pro Bowl caliber QB. How about Matt Hasselbeck, was he a great college QB, or maybe just had a great QB coach in Holmgren.
Pop Quiz hot shot: How many college teams run a pro-style system? How many win their conference? How’s the pro-style working for Notre Dame? Just because it works great for USC, doesn’t mean we are going to win championships just because we run it.
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"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
What conference?
Notre Dame is a independent. They don’t play in a conference.
by subliminalnirvanaist on Apr 9, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a joke
Sarcasm can be hard to tell when used in writing.
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It's not just the offense Lear
It’s everything from reading defenses, checking off, and getting under center. Hold on to your Montana arguement. Joe never got in shotgun formation. The guy was taught to get under center, read defenses, check off, and make the play. That is the part of the pro style I am referring to. Yes you are correct anybody can be a great NFL QB with the right body, mind, and proper QB coaching- I agree with you.
But what you are failing to see Lear is that the spread offense cripples your ability to learn the intracies of true QB play. You don’t just receive the snap, look for a receiver flying down field and loft a pass in his direction. Their is more to it then that.
How many pro style offenses are in college?
- USC
- Arizona State
- Washington
- Ucla
- Stanford
- Tennessee
- Georgia
- Notre Dame
- Alabama
- LSU
- Florida State
- Miami
- Georigia Tech
- Boston College
- NC State
- North Carolina
- Iowa
- Purdue
If you ask me those are some of the biggest of big boy college football programs. And it may come as a surprise to you, but Hasselback came from Boston College, hence: pro style offense was his fortege. You can also add QB Matt Ryan, the NFL’s rookie of the year recipient to the list of Boston College pro style kids. Joe Flacko from Deleware? Bet my bottom dollar ole’ D runs a pro style system.
Yet it’s not the system I am arguing. It’s the coaching like you indicated. Most often the spread offense doesn’t offer you much in terms of QB coaching. You don’t learn how to read defense, because it is a system. You don’t check off that often, because again it is a system. And you don’t have to get under center and stare down the opposing big ugly defender ready to rip you a new one. Why? Because by the time that big ugly defender has a chance to get his paws on you, the ball is gone to a receiver running a safe route. What it comes down to in the spread is that the spread QB throws a soft ball to an all-world receiver, who has the abiltity to turn the catch into a big play. It’s a receiveres offense, not a QB’s offense. Get it?
All I saw was purple
Your missing the point again
I’m not arguing which offense is best for a QB’s future, we agree 100% it’s the pro-style offense.
I think Jake Heaps like Oklahoma’s offense better than ours. Is our’s better for his future, yes, but is it what he wants? Remember he’s a teenager, what’s best for him and what he wants are two totally different things.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
Your not giving the teenager enough credit
Look at you prototypical teenager- all of them have dreams of doing something. Most of them don’t see all the steps it takes to achieve those goals and obsticles before them. Kids have dreams and kids who play football have a dream of someday playing in the NFL. This kid is smart and that is the reason why he is taking his time trying to figure out what school will offer him the best chance to see that dream come true.
Evidence to support my claim: Look at Heaps’ list of schools. Off the top of my head he has indicated BYU, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida State, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Ucla, and Washington. Of those 8 schools only one is a spread offensive team (OU). Clearly in his mind he has chosen schools that operate a pro style offense- one conducive to learning the position of an NFL quarterback.
Like I said Oklahoma can offer a lot, but most of it is amateur compared to what other programs can offer, which has been covered endlessly. Smart kids with the aptitude for juggling both major college football and college level academia are bright, intelligent, and articulate. Not to mention they have a dream of doing something with their life. AND when you are a 5 star QB recruit, arguably the best in the entire national crop, contemplating a career as an NFL QB crosses your mind now and then. Yes the kid would be thrilled with Oklahoma calling him- I would too. And it is safe to say that Heaps would say he likes Oklahoma just so he has numerous options, all of which translates to a very intelligent, upstanding, mature, seeing the big picture kid that he is.
If the NFL left the door open for high school kids to enter the draft don’t you think a majority of the 5 star kids would jump at the chance to turn pro right out of high school? It happened in the NBA. The NFL doesn’t want “potential”, they want well-groomed physically dominating, ready to kick ass football players. And their you go, that is what is wrong with the NBA. It’s become a league full of “potential”. The NBA has their priorities backwards and as a result they have lost the majority of their fanbase. Now where were we on the Heaps spread vs. pro style argument again …
Last note, Locker didn’t chose to come to Washington so that he could run the spread. If he wanted the spread so much he could’ve chosen a dozen schools to run it. He chose Washington because he wanted to be apart of restoring the glory of Husky football and he wanted to stay near home so his family could be apart of it (well documented). And if he wanted to operate out of the spread so much, why was he so giddy about Sarkisian coming in?
It’s all good Lear, I am in love with the pro and I’m loving the fact that we hired one of the best pro style coaches in the game. In the end I see Heaps signing with Washington, but the kid is no dummy- he’s making an educated decision that can have an immediate impact on his potential career as a professional quarterback. On the other hand, I do see Sarkisian using a smidge of the spread schemes now and then. Locker is a great athlete, who is also potentially a great NFL QB in the works. To get the most out of Locker’s abilities would be to use some principles of the spread. So maybe we’ll both be happy with Sark’s offense.
All I saw was purple
The truth will set you free
The truth is we don’t have a clue what’s running through Jake’s mind. If you really think Washington has more to offer right now than Oklahoma, well, you need your head examined.
The truth is Locker came to Washington because it was close to home, they wanted him at QB, and they were going to let him run the ball, which is the spread option offense.
The truth is we have a first time head coach, NOT “one of the best pro style coaches in the game”. He has a LONG way to go before earning that title.
The truth is you can run a spread offense from under center with a good balance of running and passing. The spread-option is only one minor variety of the “spread”.
I admire your blind love and admiration for a bunch of coaches who have yet to accomplish anything. I guess I’m too jaded from a decade of getting my hopes up, only to watch the team get worse.
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"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
"one of the best pro style coaches in the game"
Crazi: I love your energy, but I’m afraid you think with your heart, not your mind. You and I could run a successful offense at USC. Whether or not he can do it somewhere else has yet to be decided.
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National Champs
If you look at the list of National Champions over the last ten years its split 50/50 between pro style offenses and spread offenses.
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I found this on Rivals
Another of the top quarterbacks in the entire 2010 class, Skyline high school quarterback Jake Heaps has offers from over 20 schools from LSU to Washington. He recently gave UGASports his perspective on the current schemes for quarterbacks.
“Definitely when you look at high school and college spread offenses, they put up pretty numbers and open up the field, but if you look at how many spread quarterbacks are successful professionally, the numbers do not lie either,” Heaps said.
Heaps then added how that will affects his decision process.
“All of the schools I am looking at in my top 10 are pro style offenses because that is my ultimate goal in the sport, to get to the NFL,” said Heaps.
I think it matters alot. A national championship and NCAA records just aren’t the same if you can’t parlay it into some cash in the NFL.
Nice Find
I think that will help the UW quite a bit!
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
What kid isn't going to say that...
Some of them just believe that they can also be successful at a school that runs the option.
Are there any good pro QBs who came from an option system?
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Sure...
but there are way more flops.
There is a reason that the .com’s have separate grades for pro-style and dual-threat QB’s. They are completely different animals and they offer completely different skillsets. It’s no coincidence that most of the dual-threat kids end up in the NFL at a position other than QB.
I think Heaps really means what he says in that quote. He’s smart and he knows that he’s one of tops in the country and while I don’t think he’s looking past college ball, he’s planning for his future and he knows that UW, Tennesee, LSU and the like all offer him the best chance at getting to the NFL.
If that was the case...
then talented QBs would be running AWAY from the option offense. If it was a huge advantage to run a pro style offense then why wouldn’t most BCS schools run it? It’s obviously more important to win. If they feel like they can still win with the option then advantage goes to winning over professional preparation.
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Crazi & Lear....
It’s very interesting to read your thoughtful arguments pro & con for pro vs. spread & Jake Heaps’ choice. I am learning a lot. But, we’re so close to Spring Ball that it’s all I can do to keep from running outside into my back yard and WOOFing! So, instead of repeating myself, I refer you to my comments, made today, on the Final Thoughts & New Beginnings string.
WOOFWOOFWOOF!!!
Glad you enjoy it
I can’t speak for Lear, who is in love with the spread offense. I have been a staunch supporter of bringing in the pro style ever since Oregon went all-in on the gimmicky thing. It offers us a Northwest recruiting niche that Oregon, Oregon State, and Washington State don’t have. And when you are rebuilding the program, the first step in that direction is winning the recruiting battles in your own state. Second step is to win the recruiting battles in the Northwest. So from that angle we are heading in the right direction.
I’ll tell you what OLDDOG if you really want to get excited for Husky football go to coachsark.com. Click onto the video “Practicing Practice”. Someone posted that about a week ago and I’m ready to GET IT ON!
Go Dawgs! WOOF!!!
All I saw was purple
I enjoy an informed argument
I do like the spread offense, only because I LOVE scoring. 42-35 is much more fun to watch than 10-7.
Crazi: You are right about the order of recruiting battles, but it’s not the offensive system that will win recruits, only WINNING will win recruits.
The practice video: I saw a really good sign that Sark is fitting in here in Seattle and that he could stay awhile. Throughout the whole video he has a Starbucks/Tully’s style coffee cup in his hand, and he NEVER put it down!
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
What's the best defensive set for defending the option?
It was interesting to hear Holt’s interview with Softy a while back. Softy was/is absolutely beside himself about losing to oregon (AND WHO THE H_LL ISN’T!) so he asked Coach Holt what does it take to defend the option Holt broke it down and man was that interesting!…to see all that goes into it and it basically comes down to guys taking care of their responsibilities and making plays when the play is there to be made. In other words cover, pressure and tackle!
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Opinions on the best defense against the spread option?
Chime in guys. I’d like to hear what you guys think. What was Boise State doing? They absolutely shut down oregon’s running game!
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Speed and Discipline
To stop the spread option your defense MUST be fast, and MUST be disciplined, which is why it works so well.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
Yeah that's a lot...
…of what Holt had to say about it. Stay disciplined, take care of your responsibilities and tackle! DO NOT MISS TACKLES! Looking forward to the “intense one” taking ownership over the Husky Defense.
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227 yards rushing
is absolutely shutting down someone’s rushing attack?
And that is 227 yards when the other team knew they weren’t going to do anything BUT run.
You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.
Did you even watch that game?
Oregon may have ran for 227 yards but as we all know “Statistics don’t always tell the tale” Oregon couldn’t do anything until they started throwing the rock in the fourth quarter. The other point is “points” as in how many did oregon produce when they were running the ball. Well I can tell you, they were WAY behind until they started throwing the ball to make a comeback.
As in any football game, it’s not just one thing but the whole package and bsu did what they had to do offensively too. They were pretty much unstoppable throwing the ball and granted their running game was non existent. Then again, why run the ball when you can throw it at will? All in all it was a solid overall team performance by bsu in getting a big win against the ducks at Autzen.
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That game stands out to me too...
…because we absolutely got our butts handed to us by oregon. We couldn’t run or throw the ball. Our defense got manhandled. BSU was impressive in their game against the zeros.
by doubledeucedawg on Mar 31, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Discipline
I think the answer was BSU’s discipline regarding following assignments.
BSU was a much better coached team than Washington last season.
Nick Holt's interview with Softy...
that was one of his keys to stopping the spread option. Disciplined assignment and gap control defense. The other thing was cover, pressure and make tackles.
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Offensive Lineman
We need to get some commits in this key area. Who do you guys/gals think will be the first?
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Riva from O'dea
Porter from Redmond
or
Butorac from Skyline
Likely one of the first two, Porter just got his offer, he’s local and from what I’ve read UW is on top before he got it.
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