A couple of clues why the Huskies were so bad last year
by John Berkowitz on Mar 11, 2009 10:02 AM PDT
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PrintThese 40 times were reported in Bob Condotta's blog today in the Seattle Times. Just a quick note on Bob. We all know how good he is but just wait till you see him operate starting this spring. The open door policy is really going to let his talent of observation shine.
Here are just a few reasons why the Huskies were so bad last year and a reason Ty Willingham no longer coaches the team. His players didn't get better while they were here and in some cases they simply regressed. These 40 times are just embarrassing.
When Sarkisian says the team needs to work on speed these samples show you just how desperate the situation is. It would be very interesting to see what the 40 times are for the current members of the team.
40-YARD DASH TIMES FROM PRO DAY
Casey Bulyca: 5.822, 5.952
Juan Garcia: 5.337, 5.3
Chad Macklin: 5.361, 5.342
Bulyca's time just may be the worst I have ever seen for a starting offensive lineman in the Pac 10. I knew guys as big and strong as him 30 years ago that ran better than that who didn't get a sniff from the Pac 10. You want the majority of your big guys running between 5.0 - 5.2. Sometimes you even get kids that run better than that.
I have to admit that 40 times sometimes can be a little deceiving for 300 pound plus guys because you are looking for leverage, space occupancy, and a quick first step. I have seen smaller linemen run as fast as 4.75 which is rare and exceptional. I have seen larger guys run 5.4's and have long careers in the NFL. The top time at the recently concluded 2009 NFL combine by an offensive lineman was 4.89 by Nebraska's Lydon Murtha who is 6'7 305.
Johnie Kirton: 4.932, 4.944
Donny Mateaki: 5.178, 5.221
Kirton's time isn't bad at all for a defensive tackle but he was recruited as a TB and played TE the majority of his career. Too slow for a DE and not experienced enough to be a quality DT. Mateaki graduated the year before but you ideally want 4.8 speed out of your DE's. This gives you a clue why we never had a pass rush while he was here.
Mesphin Forrester: 4.608, 4.645
I like Mesphin but 4.6 is way too slow for corner in this league and even a shade slow for a safety of his size.
Michael Gottlieb: 5.035, 4.997
Way too slow for a starting TE but about average for a walk on who gets a little playing time. You want a TE of his size running 4.8.
Charles Hawkins: 4.881, 4.852
Sure he was a walk on but that is way too slow for a WR who gets playing time.
Here is what you are looking for in 40 times
These are the NFL combine averages since 2005 on 40 times by position.
Quarterbacks: 4.87
Tailbacks: 4.56
Wide Receivers: 4.57
Tight Ends: 4.78
Offensive Line: 5.18
Defensive Ends: 4.88
Defensive Tackles: 5.19
Inside Linebacker: 4.76
Outside Linebacker: 4.74
Cornerbacks: 4.47
Free Safety: 4.57
Strong Safety: 4.54
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John's on a hot streak!
I love the blog, but the stuff you are throwing out lately is pretty darn good.
I saw the post on Condotta’s blog and was quite surprised at the slow numbers. No wonder we’re 0-12. I love the addition of the combine numbers, it gives a really good look at the guys who might actually have a shot at the NFL, or at least got looked at by the NFL
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
Thank Bob Condotta and Steve Sarkisian
If you can get a little information you can put together a reasonably good post.
I Love the full access to the team
It was extremely far down on my wish list with possible head coaches, but it really makes you feel closer to the team, and answers a lof of previous questions about players and staff.
Bob did good work getting the numbers, but putting in the NFL combine averages really puts it all together. I’ve had a decent understanding of what good number are, but having actual stats to point at really help evaluate the numbers.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
Interesting too...
…with all the deflated numbers out there. This brings reality back into the equation. I just remember reading about the combine a few years back and they said the fastest guy ran like a 4.47. The next fastest time was a 240 pound LB who ran like a 4.5 flat.
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Good Point
It’s amazing how many recruits claim they can run a 4.4 yet so few can do that at the NFL combine. Reality is a funny thing these days.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
Yeah how many guys talked about...
4.3s and even 4.2s! Is that like handtimed on a perfect day with the wind at your back!
Washington Husky Football-1991 National Champions
I guess we know why the former track star Chancellor Young didn’t see the field last year – he no longer has track star speed.
Ah Johnnie Kirton – what might’ve been if he’d been OK with moving to defense from the very start…
And not to be mean or anything, but Desmond Davis? A guy that barely played working out at pro day? If a guy that barely played is going to work out, I’d expect to see better speed numbers than what he posted as a skill position guy.
Chancellor was injured most of the year
To be fair he got hurt early and that was the main reason we never saw him. He came in a little heavy and looks like that still may be the case.
Just terrible numbers. It would be really interesting to see the numbers of the kids coming back next year.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 10, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions
Once again...
John delivers. As a fan, you can sense the problem, and definitely see the results. It is really nice to see the numbers, and then get commentary that fills in a few of the blank spots. Once again I reflect back to the days of DJ, when his teams seemed to hit a flat spot. His solution was to reevaluate all the kids he was recruiting, placing speed as the top requirement. The result was one of the best teams ever in college football, all of whom could run, especially the defense. Hopefully history will repeat itself and the new crew will follow much the same path. Speed kills. There is no substitute for it. Truth is, while it can be improved a little, it needs to be built in for most athletes. I think we are pretty much stuck until the new coaches get the chance to play their own players.
We need a big influx of talent and speed
They have no choice but to start the unpleasant task of cutting some players to make room for a full class in 2010. If these numbers are any indication of what the returning players are testing at the coaches have a lot of work cut out for them.
You can increase speed. You can increase conditioning. You can do all that stuff but you can’t turn a lineman who runs almost a 6 flat 40 into a guy who runs a 5.2. There are limits to what you can do in eight months. there are limits what you can do with talent that isn’t up to Pac 10 standards.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 10, 2009 10:22 PM PDT reply actions
DJ
DJ never had a flat spot that resembled this.
This is more like flat lining.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 10, 2009 10:23 PM PDT reply actions
I think
Jaun Garcia is the exception of the group, not a great 40 time, but a good bench at the combine, plus he’s alway’s had allot of heart and class.
Juan
He has a shot but I think it will likely be as a free agent. Injury concerns likely will keep him from getting drafted.
This is his scouting report.
Short and too heavy. Marginal overall athleticism. Lacks the lateral quickness to handle speedier pass rushers inside. Struggles to get to the second level consistently and cannot break down in space to block moving targets. Not to mention extensive medical concerns that require a lengthy medical check. (Note this is based on his play last season. The fact that he even played a down is a miracle.)
Juan has some things to work on to play on Sunday but he has a great attitude and is willing to work hard. He is down to 295 after playing at 330 last year and he tested out a # 3 of all the OL present in the bench press category which is impressive. As far as speed goes he has the abilty to knock a tenth or two off his time. Lateral quickness though is his biggest obstacle to improve in.
I wouldn’t bet against this kid if he stays healthy.
Averages
Those averages go down a TON if you look at the elite programs too. If you had the averages for USC, Flordia, Oklahoma, Texas, etc you would see an even further drop in a lot of the skill positions. The fact that these are Div 1 athletes running 5.8 40’s is embarassing. They should be embarassed.
The athletes
Bulyca ran close to a 6 and whose fault exactly is that?
I think you need to put it squarely on the heads of the old coaching staff. Trying to run the spread offense with guys this slow is pretty puzzling.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 11, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Losses
You can put the losses on the coaching staff and their inability to recruit the proper kids to run their system but the 40 times and the conditioning is just as much on the athlete as the coach. There is no one stopping you from hitting the gym and working hard on your own except for you. To blame Ty for Bulyca HORRIBLE times are on him just as much if not more. Its his life and his future. If he wants to play on Sundays he better get his act together. If you need a conditioning coach to constantly remind you to work harder and go to the gym then you need to re-evaluate whether you belong on a football field or not. Heck, working out was the best thing about the offseason.
By the way I hate Ty and would love to blame him for this but I cant without blaming the players just as much if not more.
More Bulyca
The kid obviously has some responsibility but the proper system needs to be put in place to develop the results a championship team would demand. I think we all agree that the system was a failure under Willingham’s direction. Players for the most part didn’t develop as they should have physically.
Bulyca’s 40 time as a frosh was probably close to half a second better than it is five years later.
How exactly does that happen?
I guess that is what happens when you turn into a big fat tub of goo.
Bulyca was never going to play on Sundays and I knew it when he was in HS. He was a Gilby recruit and he had so many different head and position coaches it was ridiculous. That is a big part of the problem with the OL in general. Gilby’s one class was a monumental bust by the way.
A former Kingco coach who I know and respect for his opinions felt that Bulyca should never have been offered by Washington or any other Pac 10 school. I relayed that to Chris Fetters and he didn’t agree but five years later the proof is in the pudding as far as Bulyca is concerned.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 11, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
No arguement about him being a big fat tub of goo...
I still blame him more than Ty for his personal growth. Agree to disagree.
Agree to disagree
that’s cool wasn’t trying to debate you Dave. I respect your opinion.
One thing to consider is that these guys didn’t have a lot of fun and much motivation the past five years. That is a huge factor.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 11, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man...
think about how much fun we had watching them and times that by 100 and that is probably the amount of fun they had…by the way what is 0 times 100???
Dave
That is why I put a lot of it on the coaches.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 11, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
One word: Environment
Ty Losingham failed miserably at developing a championship environment. How is it great teams develop talent so well? They have an environment where players work hard all the time. When everyone else is hitting the weights daily, it puts a lot more pressure on guys to keep up. Monkey see, monkey do.
It appears as those Sark has begun to develop a hard working environment, hopefully it will fully take hold on the players.
P.S. – This is EXACTLY why Neuheisel is too blame for the downfall of the program, he took the hard working environment and flushed it down the toilet.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
Sark
We all have to remember that he hasn’t coached a game yet and hasn’t been a head coach at any level.
I love everything I have seen so far but it is all based on hope at this point. Nothing is ever a sure thing.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 11, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
It all starts at the top doesn't it....
…and then it flows downhill.
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Awesome post!
Awesome comments. You guys really really know your players and have very high football acumen.
What Coach Sark and Coach Nicky brings to the table is extreme organization, realistic objectives, no skirting or cutting corners, HIGH ENERGY, and TRANSPARENCY.
Believe it or not, they’re all the things that Coach Carroll gets hammered for from those that “aren’t into the Trojan way”.
Here’s hoping your players buy into it. It’s real, and it comes with a whole 7 year history of results. If they “buy it”, you guys will be doing real well, real fast.
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Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
It will take at least a year or two
When Carroll arrived he had a lot more talent on the roster but needed to build numbers on his offensive and defensiv elines which he did. He had a sub par first year by Trojan standards but has been flying high ever since.
USC gets some of the best HS players in the country. What is more important is they know how to develop them once they arrive.
I think Sarkisian and Holt will be competing for championships by year three.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 11, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is why I put in "7 year history of results"
Carroll has been here since 2001- his first year he went 6-6. So, a year under the belt and the next year he saw results. Big time.
2 – 3 years is about right. Washington has got some serious athletes. Taylor Mays anyone? Locker? Isaiah Thomas? (when/if you guys OWN Washington, you’ll get Oregon, and it’s conceivable to go after NorCal- that’s where I’m from, still consider it home- and pick up some 3 – 5 Stars against Carroll and Neuheisel down in SoCal.
Now, when Washington is able to land recruits from Florida, Texas, and the East Coast- y’all have “shown up”.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
If UW goes 6-6 in 2009 it will be a miracle.
We used to own the Bay Area, the Central Valley, and Hawaii at one time. We also did well in the SOCAL inner city picking up the LA schools leftovers.
Taylor Mays isn’t the norm in Washington. He was a once in a generation type of guy. His numbers are just wicked.
I know Sarkisian can recruit so the talent level will improve.
I disagree with Florida, Texas, and the East Coast. UW even in its DJ glory years was never a true national recruiting machine. They don’t have to be either. Plenty of talent out West.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 11, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It was Sark, Kiffin, Orgeron, and Norton. . .
. . .that made those trips to the South and out East. Without them, we wouldn’t have gotten so many of those guys. Coach Carroll basically closed the deals when Sark, et al worked them through and through.
Coach Sark will amaze you guys. So will Nicky. They were both the heart and soul of our team planning and recruiting. They’ll be missed. Which is why Coach Carroll was in such an ornery mood following our Rose Bowl win. Ornery as all get out.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Mar 11, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not trying to be charming or well-like but,
I see UW getting to 6-6. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if they go 7-5 or 8-4. They will compete for the Rose, it sounds wacky- but that’s the consensus among a few Trojan fans. That’s how much we believe you’ve guys got right now, and how much Coach Sark and Coach Nicky bring to the table. Now Kiffin over at UT. . . .he’s gonna eat sh_t in the SEC.
Get ready for a ride guys. I’ll say no more.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Mar 11, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
When I say:
“They will compete for the Rose” – I mean Coach Sark and Coach Nicky. They will not stop UNTIL THE LAST SECOND OF THE LAST GAME that means they’re either in or out of contention. Those guys played ball and they know what it takes to win. They are ballers in pursuit of the Rose Bowl.
Everything flows through the Rose Bowl. They know it, and they won’t let your team or your fans ever forget it.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Mar 11, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
We Know Roses
BixBeiderbecke we know all about the Granddaddy of them all. We don’t need Sark and Holt to remind us. In regards to the history of the Rose Bowl we are currently second on the list of teams who have won the Rose Bowl. That list includes both the Pac 10 and Big 10. Ohio State and Michigan have gone to Pasadena more often then us, but we’ve bagged more babes in Pasadena then the Buckeyes or the Wolverines. Most Rose Bowl victories? First place USC, second place Washington.
I know you are just selling us on our coaches and I agree, coach Sark and coach Holt were slam dunk hires. But this isn’t Oregon State or Oregon. This is the University of Washington. We all know very well what the Rose Bowl means. Sark and Holt are going to bring back championship level football and we are ready for it. Our problem right now is getting our stadium funded for a $300 mil. rennovation project.
Note: like John said, we aren’t in the business of recruiting nationally. The west coast has all the talent we need. Don’t think that Sark will stop at Northern California- he’s going to fight his ex-boss for 4 and 5 star kids in SoCal too.
Go Dawgs! WOOF!!!
All I saw was purple
I didn't know about the stadium thing
Good luck with that.
Roses, I know you guys know. I didn’t mean to sound condescending or sanctimonious. I didn’t take it that you took it as such, I just didn’t mean to sound anything but hopeful for you guys. I love Coach Sark and Coach Nicky. You guys got our very best.
BTW: I love your tagline crazidawg. Have you ever heard of the band ’Gogol Bordello" and their song “Start Wearing Purple”?
Here’s the link to their song. Maybe you can use it?
Thanks for the response, crazidawg. And again- I meant no offense in my words or tenor.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Mar 11, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry Bix. I am a little intense when it comes to Husky football. I like to think of myself as Nick Holt on message boards. We’re cool.
But yeah we know what the Rose Bowl means. We are ready to get back into the ass kicking business. In my world it should be USC and Washington fighting it out for the Pac 10 championship. Yeah you can splash in a little Arizona State and Ucla once in awhile. But Washington should be right there with USC fighting for the title.
Sorry John, I guess I need to tone it down a bit. I didn’t think I came off that way. My bad. I thought what I posted was harmless, I guess I thought wrong. Maybe I should take prozac before my next post.
Go Dawgs! WOOF!!!
[just swallowed the pill]
All I saw was purple
No apology necessary
But I’ll accept it, because only a man is properly mannered. And you, my friend, are a man for saying that.
I get that way over at Conquest Chronicles. You could say I’m the crazidawg over there. So I totally understand.
Apart from being an USC-educated alum, my roots are in NorCal. Los Gatos, CA to be exact. I moved here (LA) when I was 26, so in a way- I’m not “really” a SoCal guy. Sh_t, I own property in the Bay Area. I still consider NorCal “home”. (I only remark on the NorCal thing, because we Trojans have a nasty reputation for being pricks. Half-as-much- I’d wholeheartedly agree with. Half. :- )
Take care (but what did you think of the song?)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Mar 11, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Quick note
SBN has formed a partnership with Yahoo which will bring a lot of new people to the site in the not too distant future. I want to set the tone that everyone is welcome and I think you guys are all aware of my moderating style. Conflicting opinions are welcome. Butt heads are not welcome even if they wear purple and gold. We have been lucky…we don’t have a single butt head posting here.
As traffic increases there will be some inevitable crap I will need to moderate but I think the group we have here brings so much to the table that it will be minimal.
Bix is here because UW is his new second favorite team with the addition of Sark and Holt.
I just love that.
We can always use another great voice and Bix brings that to the table.
Crazi your post was fine and this isn’t in reference to it at all.
I just need to reiterate that once in awhile.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 11, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Like I said...
…love your Pic! Bruce Lee is the bomb!…and a UW alum but we all KNEW that, right?!
Washington Husky Football-1991 National Champions
You got me!
I didn’t know that, but I knew Bruce had some Seattle roots. I’m gonna check out my “Tao of Jeet Kun Do” book. It has a stellar biography of Bruce Lee. Sure I could Wikipedia that, but going back to the printed pages is a favorite past time of mine. Cheers!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Mar 11, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I've got that book too...
…you should see the documentary they did about him. The guy had the fastest hands ever! Did you see his one inch punch demonstration? He started doing that at the Seattle Center, what is now Key Arena.
Washington Husky Football-1991 National Champions
The song...
…I’m going to check that out. We can add that to “Bad to the Bone” and “Purple Haze”.
Washington Husky Football-1991 National Champions
It's a catchy song
And if you haven’t seen the movie “Everything is Illuminated”- well, the lead singer of Gogol Bordello is one of the main actors (the “premium break-dancer in all of the Ukraine” guy) in the movie. Wouldn’t exactly call him “talented”, but he’s got “some moves”. And he gets PAID.
“Start wearing purple, wearing purple” (ta-ta-ta-ta-daaaa!) It’s party like and festive. Has UW written all over it!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Mar 11, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I'm kind of a...
Bruce Lee nut myself. He got a degree in philosophy from the UW. I believe his first school was in Seattle. I think when he came to America from China he first came to San Francisco. If I remember correctly he pretty much HAD to move to Seattle to get away from some street issues he ran into down there. I don’t know if I’d call it gang related but there was some street fighting going on.
Did you know he was a Cha Cha dance instructor? Now you know why some football players have begun taking dance lessons.
Washington Husky Football-1991 National Champions
From Johnny Carson?
That’s hilarious!
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
by BixBeiderbecke on Mar 11, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah isn't that funny!...
…Crazi has or had somewhat of a rep of being able to foretell the future! Crazi what exactly did you predict? Alas…it’s been so long ago I can’t recall. ;O)
Washington Husky Football-1991 National Champions
I got lucky
I might’ve made some suggestion that coach Sark needed Nick Holt and Doug Nussmeir. It was sort of an easy call on Holt. Nicky as you call him, wants to become a major college head coach some day soon. And with Pete Carroll calling the defense on gameday, Holt wasn’t getting the national recognition nor exposure that he deserved (so I thought). I also thought Holt needed to buiild something from scatch so that the nation could see that he can build something on his own. Rebuilding the Husky defense would indicate that Holt can build a successful program, thus receiving credit for a job well done and getting his name penciled in for highly potential major college head coaching jobs.
I knew Nussmeir was an up and comer, who will eventually become a hot comodity as a bigtime college offensive coordinator and future BCS college coach. I got a little lucky with Nuss I will say.
Now if we can just get our stadium rennovated everything will fall into place.
All I saw was purple
Crazi
We have actually been Rose Bowl champs this decade and should have gone twice if Tui hadn’t bruised that tail bone.
I think Bix brings a lot of positive stuff to the table.
I love the fact that a Trojan, Duck, or cougar can feel comfortable here. It raises the level of discussion. Those Irish guys…not so much…lol.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 11, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Gosh!...
…even ducks and cougs!? Hmmmm…I’ll have to chew on that for awhile?
Washington Husky Football-1991 National Champions
ducks and the dollar sign
I think evenutally when we get a few ducks on the board, I’m going to have to bite my lip.
I speak foundly of every Pac 10 team and I root for them from a distance, yes even Ben Howland’s Bruins. But I cannot stand the Oregon Ducks! I do not like any thing they stand for. Everything at Oregon has been baught w/ Phil’s money and they have basically sh_t on their own traditions.
Universities are built on traditions and values. All I see in Eugene are dollar sigs. What a great idea! Note to Nike and pimp daddy Phil- need a new helmet logo for the Oregon helmets? How about a green helmet with a yellow dollar sign where the zero is. You want to have a different helmet for each game? There’s your 12th helmet design.
hate the ducks!
All I saw was purple
Great point Bix
Losing your top assistants is rough.
by John Berkowitz on Mar 11, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not really realistic for Washington...
…we recruit Washington and the west and rarely get guys from the Midwest, Texas and Florida. I’m not saying we never do, just saying for the most part it’s the western states.
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Do you guys like Star Wars?
I fear a Yoda (Coach Carroll) and an Obi Wan-Kenobi (Sarkisisan) and Anakin Skywalker (Coach Nick Holt)- type set up.
Having Coach Sark leave is one thing, having Coach Sark and Coach Holt leave. . . .that is just bananas. Anakin will match up incredibly well with Yoda- did you guys see the Idaho vs. USC games a few years back. It was scary and surreal.
Coach Sark (finally out of the shadows of Coach Carroll AND the ghost of Coach Norm Chow) is gonna be scary. Basically you guys have a Tebow-esque (that name again) QB, a solid front OL, decent backfield- good wideouts- all you need is a high quality TE (did you guys pick anyone up or have one right now, I’m honestly not sure)- your offensive will be explosive. Coach Sark has wanted to have his reigns taken off for some time. He will incorporate what he gleaned from being the “true student” of Coach Chow (okay- he could be Yoda too or whatever) and he will bring in all that he has wanted to bring in but wasn’t allowed to. (just a hunch).
I fear UW in the coming years. Next year especially, when the glean has yet to be dulled from the arrival of Coach Sark and Coach Nicky. Y’all will win more than one game on emotions alone. Couple that with technique and strategy, y’all will be scary for everyone NOT in a Trojan uniform. (they just don’t get rattled. it’s our downfall too. see Oregon State game. those guys-the players, thought they were winning the game, believe it or not?)
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
Appreciate the praise
but we need a lot of work on the O-Line and D-Line as well as some depth before we can start talking like UW is back for good. I do agree that Sark and Holt will have this team ready game in and game out ready to play til the last whistle.
Consistency
John spoke of 2 – 3 years, that’s the reality. So, in 3 years the consistency will hopefully be there (and depth/recruiting). That’s when you all will be back for good. There’s no reason to not believe you guys will be an above .500 team before then. ’Cause I think you guys will be.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
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by BixBeiderbecke on Mar 11, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Just my take
He waited for the UW job to open up. He wanted you guys badly. And he wanted Locker before he went pro or graduated.
Just my take, but Coach Sarkisian wanted you guys like something else.
Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"
He definitely wanted the job
But will he still be here in 10-20 years?
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
Pete Carroll isn't Going Anywhere
Where would Steve Sarkisian want to go? College coaches are trending further and further away from the NFL. The SEC is crowded with bigtime college coaches, currently their are four SEC head coaches at SEC schools who have won the BCS national championship. WOW! Lane Kiffin is in trouble! The Big 10 doesn’t look to be an appealing job market these days for college coaches and the Big 12 is all-in with the spread offense.
That leaves Sark two options. ONE: return to USC as Carroll’s replacement. TWO: an alumni of BYU, could return as the head coach for the BYU Cougars.
Forgot about Miami and Florida State, where both run the pro style offense. I see Steve Sarkisian being here long term. I think we might lose Lorenzo Romar to the NBA before we lose Sark. Romar would be the ideal college coach to enter the NBA as an NBA coach. His style is tailer made for the NBA game. Don’t fret, Sark will land us in the Rose Bowl before thinking of leaving, but if his career is Don James-esque, would he find a better job elswhere? I don’t think so.
All I saw was purple
The UW is a destination job. If Sarkisian succeeds here, there is no reason to go anywhere else – he can accomplish here whatever he wants in the college game. No, it wouldn’t be quite as easy to win a National Championship here as it would USC, but if Sark is as good as we hope he is, then he can close the gap significantly.
If Sarkisian is good enough that we want him here 10+ years, he’ll have had enough success that he’s getting the Huskies to Rose Bowls, and from there it’s not a big leap to National Championships.
I doubt Sarkisian has a strong enough attachment to BYU that he’d want to return there; besides which, there is enormous pressure there to employ coaches who are LDS, and Sarkisian is not. The only school I see Sarkisian being tempted to jump to would be USC. He’s a west coast guy, and the only program with more upside than the UW is USC.
I think it’s more likely he would jump to the NFL. Yeah, he says now that he’s not so interested in the NFL, but things can change. There are some guys that are content with sticking to the college game, but most coaches have enough ego that the lure of proving yourself at the highest level (the NFL) proves too much to overcome. Maybe Sark is one of those guys that is truly content at the college level, but I see him as having enough ego (in a good way) that eventually, assuming he’d accomplished his goals at the college level (multiple Rose Bowls, maybe a National Championship or two), he’d be willing to take on the challenge of the pro game.
All that said, we shouldn’t worry about this, because if he does jump to USC or the NFL, it means in all probability that he’s had a lot of success here, and hiring a great replacement would be far, far easier.
You bring up some good points
I really appreciate well thought out post, so thank you!
I really don’t see him jumping to the NFL, he was wise enough to turn down Al Davis, and did spend one year in the NFL and wisely chose to return to college. I’m not convinced Pete Carroll isn’t interested in giving the NFL one more shot. Hopefully by then Sark has really planted some deep roots in Seattle.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
Are you sure Carroll isn't going anywhere?
I think Pete still has a desire to show that he can be successful in the NFL. If the right opportunity arises I wouldn’t be surprise in the least to see him give it another shot.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
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