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The Monday Morning Wash

Another Apple Cup is over and Washington has ended its two game skid against the worst team the conference has seen in over thirty years. That comment puts Saturday's 30-0 win into the correct context. Washington has a long way to go to get back to being competitive in the upper division of the Pac 10 conference. This week they get another shot to see what they do when California visits to cap off the season.

The Bears have been a surprise in the second half of the year because after losing to Oregon and USC on consecutive weekends earlier in the season everyone expected them to fold and they didn't. Teford and his team have responded well losing only to Oregon State since then.

For Washington to beat California they need to shut down the Bear running game and put the game on the shoulders of the Cal QB Kevin Riley. That has been the formula all year in stopping this team. Offensively the Huskies will have the opportunity to score some points against a Cal defense which is young but is improving. Jake needs to step it up another notch in directing the passing game for the upset to happen.

The Huskies come into this one as six point underdogs in what may be Jake Locker's last appearance in Husky Stadium. Make no doubt about the storyline this week. It is all about whether Jake will stay another season at Washington or opt to enter the NFL draft. We all know he isn't ready to start for an NFL team but we also knowit will be hard for him to turn down top ten draft choice money.

I think an NFL team would be crazy to pick Jake high in the first round. You expect to get some serious productivity out of that high of a pick not a project that will be holding a clip board on the sidelines for a year or two. Use the WSU game as an example. Jake had one of his better games of the season but despite good protection he still was plauged by happy feet and poor mechanics.

I really think Jake could use another year at Washington learning how to be a pro set QB. There is no substitute for playing in actual games compared to watching from the sideline. The money will still be there if he stays healthy and there will actually be more money in the draft and down the road if he stays one more year.

Ronnie Fouch would be first in line if Jake leaves and while he has improved under Sark and Nuss he still and will always lack the arm strength to be a top fight QB. Keith Price has drawn raves at times but he has a lot to do mechanically before anyone will take him seriously in this league. Nick Montana is the true QB of the future but he needs another year to grow and get stronger. Even a talent like Matt Barkley struggled as a true frosh behind a very competent offensive line.  

Having Jake come back for one more year would be a blessing for both the player and program.

Coaching Carousel

This is the time of year that heads start rolling for college football coaches across the country. The first to officially go are Virginia's Al Groh and Louisville's Steve Kragthorpe. Kansas head man Mark Mangino, Marylands Ralph Friedgren, and the legendary Bobby Bowden of Florida will officially learn their fates on Monday. Bowden would like one more year at Florida State but it is unlikely he will get it with Jimbo Fisher waiting in the wings to take over.

Next to face the executioner will be Notre Dame's Charlie Weis who reportedly cleaned out his office before heading out to Palo Alto to lose to Stanford. Weis reportedly met with the schools power brokers last week in a bid to save his job for another year by offering to reshape his contract which still has millions of dollars remaining on it if the Irish fire him on Monday.

Reportedly Weis offered to go with a year to year contract for the rest of his tenure with a one year buyout in exchange for gettting on last chance. Since he cleaned out his office it is doubtful that Notre Dame was interested in the chance to save some bucks. When you have your won national television contract with NBC you can make decisions like that without blinking.

Dan Hawkins on the other hand earned another year at Colorado by simply being too expensive to fire. The Buffs would have to pay $3.1 million just to buy out his contract plus come up with the considerable coinage it takes to hire a succesor. Oregon AD Mike Bellotti was rumored to be in line for the job if Hawkins received the axe. Expect Belotti to be a hot name in coaching circles whenever a big vacancy comes up over the next couple of years.

Rich Rodriguez who is under fire at Michigan is another guy who falls under the label of being too expensive to fire after only two seasons on the job. The installation of the spread at Michigan has been a failure so far and the NCAA is sniffing around after allegations of practice time limit improprieties. Rodriguez has an 8-16 record at Ann Arbor so if a Les Miles made it known he was interested you could see some movement in that direction.

Another guy who is too expensive to fire is Washington State's Paul Wulff who only makes $650,000 per year. Wulff has only won three games in two years and Saturday's 30-0 loss to Washington shows how far that program has to go to become competitive again. Everyone knows that Wulff is not the right guy for the job but WSU will wait till next year so they don't have to pay two coaches at the same time.

The answer at WSU may be only 15 miles to the East in the form of former WSU DC Robb Akey who has completed the impossible task of making the 7-5 Vandals competitive again wouldn't even have to put his house up for sale if he was to accept the position.

Around the Pac 10

USC 28 UCLA 7

USC piles it on a bit throwing a long touchdown pass and then celebrating it with some shamless taunting that brought the Bruins onto the field on the verge of a brawl. That was pretty much the only excitement in this one as both teams struggled on offense all day. Matt Barkley threw for 206 yards and a touchdown to lead the Trojans.

Stanford 45 Notre Dame 38

Toby Gerhart ran for 205 yards and three scores, threw an 18-yard touchdown pass and scored the game-winning touchdown with 59 seconds left to help Stanford hand Weis and the Fighting Irish a fourth straight loss to end the regular season, 45-38 Saturday night.

Arizona 20 Arizona State 17

Arizona won after ASU's Kyle Williams who had caught the tying TD pass minutes earlier muffed a punt to give the Wildcats the ball at the Sun Devils 22-yard line. Alex Zendejas kicked a 32-yard field goal as time expired.

Pac 10 Power Ratings

1. Oregon...A win on Thursday night sends the Ducks to Pasadena to play Ohio State.

2. Oregon State...The Beavers haven't been to the Rose Bowl since 1964. They can change that on Thursday.

3. California...The Bears finish the season in Seattle and have to be on guard for a cold weather let down.

4. Stanford...Gerhart has my vote for the Heisman.

5. Southern Cal...Not a great year for the Trojans who have one left against Arizona.

6. Arizona...Miracle finish against ASU gives Wildcats some momentum in time for USC.

7. Washington...From 0-12 to 4-7 with a chance for one more win. Not bad but could have been so much better if late lapses against ND, ASU, and UCLA had not happened.

8. UCLA...Rick has a lot of work to do to make that offense competitive. Count on him to respond with another top notch recruiting class.

9. Arizona State...Dennis Erickson doesn't look good. His team isn't winning and he suddenly looks very tired and old onthe sidelines.

10. Washington State...How many actual Pac 10 players do the Cougs have on the roster?

Pac 10 Player of the Week

Toby Gerhart of Stanford picked up 205 yards and three TD's against the Irish.

Husky Player of the Week

Jake Locker was responsible for nearly 300 yars of total offense against the Cougars.

Pac 10 Quote of the Week

"You're either competing or you're not," USC coach Pete Carroll said. "We've been saying it for years. We've been living it for years. If you really believe in competing, if you really do, you'll understand it."

Husky Quote of the Week

"We changed the blocking schemes," Chris Polk said. "And we ran some different plays. We ran more power and ran more straight at them instead of just trying to run around them."

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Pac 10 Coaching Carousel

Should be interesting to see if any coaches in the Pac10 get fired this year, there are a few on the hot seat, but it doesn’t look to me like any are going to be fired. Here’s my Pac10 hot seat rankings:

1. Rick Neuheisel – The natives are getting restless, becareful what you wish for, Karl Dorrell wasn’t so bad, huh?
2. Dennis Erickson – Just doesn’t look like his old self, how long will they put up with Dirk Koetter type numbers?
3. Paul Wulff – Should be #1, but WSU can’t afford to fire him, lucky for him.
4. Pete Carroll – Shouldn’t be this high, but everybody else is doing pretty good, is this a hiccup, or the end of the dynasty?
5. Mike Stoops – Has Arizona headed in the right direction, his seat hasn’t been this cool since he was hired.
6. Jeff Tedford – Could go either way with Stoops, Cal is smart enough to remember how much Tedford has accomplished.
7. Steve Sarkisian – First year coach, good improvement in wins, just about what most people expected.
8. Chip Kelly – Oregon is on the verge of a Rose Bowl, don’t worry he’ll be on the hot seat soon enough, the Oregon faithful forget quickly!
9. Mike Riley – Could you be any safer than Riley in Corvallis?
10. Jim Harbaugh – Why yes you can, it’s called Harbauh in Palo Alto! But does he truly want to stay?

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Nov 30, 2009 7:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

My take

I only see two potential and probably dismissals next season.

1. Paul Wulff
2. Dennis Erickson

by John Berkowitz on Nov 30, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't envy...

…those programs, having your coach on the hot seat is a big distraction!

Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!

by dawgfan22 on Nov 30, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't rule out Neuheisel

Another bad season and his seat is going to get very hot. UCLA isn’t going to tolerate losing season after losing season.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Nov 30, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Neu

I thought 6-6 for UCLA this season was over achieving. I don’t find anything wrong at this point with the way Neuheisel is building the program at UCLA. Like Washington they have to rebuild an entire offensive line and only recruiting and time will fix that. There are no quick fixes on the offensive line.

by John Berkowitz on Nov 30, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing that puzzles me about Neuheisel and Chow at UCLA is the struggles of the offense and QB’s under their watch.

That said, he’s recruiting very well there, and already has critical pieces in place with the young talent he’s brought in on the OL and the defense. This year he’s bringing in a couple of stud RB’s. If he can get some decent QB play, that program is going to be competing for championships soon. Much to the chagrin of the Neuheisel haters…

by kirkd on Nov 30, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What happened to Erickson?

He and Steve Spurrier could have a cup of coffee together. Both glamorous college coaches that have been to the top of the mountian. But for some reason both are struggling to put a product on the field in the twilight of their careers.

Wonder if rivaling programs are using their age and chance of retirement to steel some of their recruits. What ever is happening, they’re just not getting it done, at least not by the standards they set earlier in their careers. I’m actually quite surprised that Arizona State has not become one of the elite teams in the Pac 10 under Erickson. The job he did in Corvallis is the sort of stuff legends are made out of and we all know how successful he was at South Beach. Dennis Erickson has become one of the bigger mysteries in the league and most are asking the same question- why isn’t ASU winning more?

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Nov 30, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s a combination of the game starting to pass them by and them losing their motivation. Spurrier was never known as the hardest-working guy in the business, and he’s no longer the smartest guy in the business – bad combo. Erickson appears to be losing his edge. His inability to groom a good replacement for Rudy Carpenter and his inability to bring in some JC help for his OL has haunted him.

Next year will be a critical one for Erickson. I recall when he was hired all the cynics that thought he’d jump to another job quickly; looks more likely that he’ll be fired than leave for another job.

by kirkd on Nov 30, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking...

That maybe Erickson is now officially trying to play by the rules instead of trying to stretch the NCAA rule book in terms of recruiting. That and the thought that he could be actually recruiting “real” college student-athletes rather then hired thugs.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Nov 30, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I mostly agree

But if he has multiple “bad” seasons, I wouldn’t rule anything out. But it is a long way away.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Nov 30, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Carroll has a job for life at USC

The Trojans are 8-3 and will finish 9-3. For anyone to even dare utter that Carroll’s job is in any type of jeopardy is a joke.

by John Berkowitz on Nov 30, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Carroll does have an achilles

I live in LA and a lot of folks down here think Carroll’s arrogance will do him in. Some of them actually believe that Norm Chow that deserves most of the credit for Carroll’s success, and Carroll rid himself of Chow because he was getting too much credit.

No, that isn’t my take on it, but a close friend who is a USC die hard.

But, I’ve gotta say that I really don’t see Carroll being fired any time soon.

by zeeehjee on Nov 30, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard it before ...

… but it is nonsense and probably only preached by a discontent minority.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Nov 30, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If the NCAA hammers him...

I could see him leaving for the NFL of that happens.

by John Berkowitz on Nov 30, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And Bobby Bowden is "retiring" from FSU.

I’m not saying it’s likely, I’m not saying it will ever happen. But if Carroll goes 8-4 for the next five seasons, do you think he’ll still have a “job for life”? This is football, NOBODY has a job for life.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Nov 30, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Coach for life" thing is not accurate

It comes down to whether the administration and boosters think a coach is still viable in regards to the program. Is the coach getting out recruited? Is the coach an embarrassment to the institution? And are his best coaching days behind him? Many questions to answer when a school decides to can a high profile coach.

Philip Fullmer was being out coached and out recruited. He was no longer viable for Tennessee. The same thing can be said about Bobby Bowden. Seems as if the rest of the ACC has caught up with Bowden and his Noles.

Believe me, JoPa is not a “coach for life” at Penn State. Remember all the chatter about 5 years ago, where a lot of Nitnany Lion supporters thought Joe should retire? Since then JoPa and the Nitnany Lions have turned the corner and have put some 10+ winning seasons together. It’s all about viability. If you got it then you’ve got a job. If you’re no longer viable then the school will make a tough decision about the future of the program.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Nov 30, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the simple version

If you win, you have a job.
if you start losing, see ya!

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Nov 30, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Husky Defense

I was watching the Nebraska/Colorado game and the announcers showed the defensive progression Nebraska has made under Pelini. They were woeful in his first year, close to the bottom of the NCAA. Here it is his third year and they’re close to the top of the NCAA hopefully the DAWGS can make that same kind of progress under Nick Holt. GO DAWGS!!

Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!

by dawgfan22 on Nov 30, 2009 8:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Pelini

Correction he’s only been Nebraska’s coach since 2008. WOW! That is quite a transformation of the defense!

Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!

by dawgfan22 on Nov 30, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It helps to have the best D-lineman in the country.

by Snostrebla on Nov 30, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DTN is proof

that one D-linemen does not a D-Line make. They’ve got great talent and great schemes out in Lincoln. Hopefully with some players Holt can step our D up to the level where he can adjust properly to what’s being thrown at him.

"Attending WAZZU is great preparation for real life. It teaches you not to expect too much."
- Don James.

by B Money on Nov 30, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DTN is a high-energy, overachieving kind of guy ...

… hardly a physical dominator in the mold of a Suh, Ellis, or Suggs. One stud like that does change everything. Remember Emtman?

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Nov 30, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One big stud like that can make a difference...

but mostly in a 3-4. Suh will be picked so high because he’s got the size and talent to be that anchor NT in a 3-4 defensive line. I get what you’re saying, but Nebraska’s success on defense can not be sole attributed to him.

"Attending WAZZU is great preparation for real life. It teaches you not to expect too much."
- Don James.

by B Money on Dec 2, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DTN...

won’t be one of the first three players taken in the NFL draft…SUH from Nebraska will be.

by Snostrebla on Nov 30, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They were still...

…ranked that low and had to climb out of the cellar. Pretty amazing to make that jump in two seasons.

Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!

by dawgfan22 on Nov 30, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nebraska had been recruiting well before he got there

I think Pellini has done a great job but it wasn’t as if Nebraska wasn’t able to recruit linemen before he arrived on the scene.

by John Berkowitz on Nov 30, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mark this one down

Rich Rodriguez is fired at the end of next season and Harbaugh leaves Palo Alto to take over shortly thereafter.

by zeeehjee on Nov 30, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Rich-Rod

It isn’t easy making a wholesale change of offensive philosophy at a place like Michigan. Expect tome improvement next year in that area and I bet Rich-Rod hangs on to his job.

by John Berkowitz on Nov 30, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Its possible

Living where you do, you would probably have a better pulse on what the mood is in Michigan than I do.

But I don’t think that Harbaugh is going to be sticking around too long at Stanford and I would be shocked if he didn’t want to return to his Alma Mater. I’d also be shocked if his Alma Mater didn’t want him back. If he has another good season, I think he’ll throw an ultimatum at Michigan… “Either take me now or lose me forever.”

I don’t think its in Rich-Rod’s control as much as it is in Harbaugh’s… but my thoughts only work if Stanford continues to impress and Michigan continues to disappoint.

Personally, though, I hate Michigan and enjoy that they suck right now… I hope they stick with whatever isn’t working.

by zeeehjee on Nov 30, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cal and Stanfords loss would be UW's gain

1. I sure hope that someone, anyone – ND, Michigan takes Harbaugh out of the Pac-10. Ijust don’t see any possiblility of producing a long term contender with their standards so Harbaugh will mostly be a pain in the butt every year he is coach.

2. Tedford needs to move on – he’s gotten Cal to the upper echelon but I don’t ever see him getting them farther – he needs to try somewhere else where the athletes come easier and the competition is not as cut-throat.

3. Final thought – I think ND should take Weiss’ offer – all he needs is a high paid D-coordinator to complement an awesome offensive team. The guy from OU, Mark Banks, et all – you see with Holt that even someone at a premiere program can be lured away for enough cash and incentives.

by ILiveInHoth on Nov 30, 2009 11:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Tedford

Coach has got to look at his options rather quickly. Most often if you don’t make a move, you eventually loose your chance to relocate. Does Tedford love Berkley? Is he waiting for the right job to open? What is he waiting for?

Tedford has just about maxed out on Cal’s potetial. You have the annual struggles with USC,Oregon, and Oregon State. Arizona is now on the way up, Stanford is a wrecking ball rival, and it appears that Washington is getting more and more acclimated to what it use to be. It’s a tough road thru the Pac 10 and will only get tougher.

So the real questions are:
1) Does Tedford love Berkley?
2) Is he waiting for the right job to open?

If the answer is No.1, I applaud Tedford for staying. But if the answer is No.2, don’t hold your breath. A coach, much like a potential NFL draftee must strike while the iron is hot. Can Tedford’s iron get any hotter? Actually I think it may be cooling a tad.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Nov 30, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

With #1 he does love Berkeley and the Bay Area. He has said it a million times over, his kids have said it (including Quinn who plays WR for Cal), and his wife has said it. He’s also invested tons of time into the new training facility that won’t be done until 2012 so no chance he is leaving. His job is probably the most safe in the Pac-10 after Riley.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 30, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Cal will ever fire Tedford unless something really unusual happens.

While I think it’s unlikely, I could see Tedford jumping to another job.

by kirkd on Nov 30, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dan Hawkins

Never say never royrules22. Dan Hawkins is a perfect example to illustrate a point. You mentioned that Tedford is investing tons of time into the new training facility. That doesn’t mean squat. Prior to Dan Hawkins taking the Colorado gig, he lobbied hard at Boise State for better facilities, i.e. state of the art press box, luxury suites, expand seating capacity, indoor training facility, you name it. He got his wish the legislatures funded the Boise State rennovation project. Within a year of seeing it through, Hawkins leaves for Colorado.

So from the Dan Hawkins example, your Tedford investing tons of time into facilities is a mute point. The only way to really know if Tedford truly loves Berkely is if the right program comes calling, offers him millons of $, and he turns it down to stay on at Cal.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Nov 30, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Especially if...

…it’s the RIGHT program with the RIGHT amount of money laid out on the table.

Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!

by dawgfan22 on Nov 30, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Notre Dame

They have the resources to get any coach they want but they won’t play that game.

Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!

by dawgfan22 on Nov 30, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He had offers from many programs including your own UW. Both Tedford and his family have let it be known that they love the Bay Area. Of course there’s a chance but it’s minuscule. If he didn’t go after 2004 or 2006 he’s not going now.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Dec 1, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tedford and Weis

Tedford – where is going to go that has a better chance of winning than Cal? not many places like that available unless the Okie job opens.

Weis – already gone.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Nov 30, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you answered your own question – Tedford would have a better chance of winning at Notre Dame.

by kirkd on Nov 30, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There are places

Big 12 is loaded with teams that can win, but no openings other then at Kansas. You can win at ND if given the tools to recruit defensive stawarts, i.e. top money for a top shelf D coordinator. ACC is loaded with teams you can win with, but the only school hoping to have a vacancy is Florida State- which is already filled once Bowden steps down.

The SEC is the only place where you can’t win. You have to be at one of the elite SEC schools to actually have a fighting chance to succeed. Take a Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Ole Miss, or Mississippi State job and you’ll be looking for another job real soon.

I think ND might throw top money at Bob Stoops if he is remotely interested. Stoops has got to be feeling some heat from the delusional SoonerNation for not winning more big games then they think he aught to. I’ve heard rumors of a possible Stoops hire for ND.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Nov 30, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You need to reconsider your "sources"

Stoops isn’t leaving Oklahoma. Yes, Oklahoma has outrageous expectations, but that comes from decades of success. How many coaches have left a good thing, only to fail miserably at the next stop? Rich Rod, Kragthorpe, Spurrier, the list goes on and on. You don’t leave Oklahoma for Notre Dame, unless you are looking for an unemployment check.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Nov 30, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I get your point

But is Stoops still content in Norman, OK? Is he bothered by the unreal expectations each and every season? At Notre Dame he’d have those same unreal expectations and then some, but the idea stems from a fresh start. It’s got to be killing him that he has failed to deliver another national championship since the 2000 season. Meanwhile OU supporters are getting frustrated, i.e. Oregon fans/Mike Belloti relationship ring a bell?

OU is NOT the best college job in the land. They’re in the room but that job is not the best. I think the best jobs in the land are as followed:

1. Notre Dame
2. Alabama
3. USC
4. Florida State
5. Texas
6. LSU
7. Ohio State
8. Oklahoma
9. Nebraska
10. Michigan
ORV: Florida, Tennessee, Washington, Ucla, Miami, Penn State

Now you might roll your eyes about the Florida State job being so high, yet the only thing you have to consider is the fact that Florida State was college football in that state before Miami and Florida arrived. Take a look at the lengthy history of Miami and Florida- there isn’t any, it’s all recent success. Bowden built a dynasty with his own hands, they’ve got tremendous tradtion and to me deserves to be among the elite. I put LSU and Ohio State above OU as well simply because both jobs are in hot bed football states and their simply is no other in-state competition. In Ohio it’s a Buckeye state, in Louisianna it’s a Bayou Tiger state!

In the end, tradition plays a big part in how prestigeous the job is. Florida doesn’t have much tradition (goes back only 20 years). Sure it’s a big paycheck, but not one of the best jobs in my opinion.

One name Lear- Nick Saben

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Nov 30, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No problem with that list

They are ALL destination jobs. There is only one reason to leave ANY of those jobs, and that’s only if your heart is somewhere else. For instance, if you are an alumni, born and raised in a given area, started your coaching career there . . . . that’s why I think Meyer MIGHT be interested in ND, he coached under Holtz and the school holds a special place in his heart. I don’t see that with Stoops, there is no connection that I know of, so why leave a good thing, especially for a lesser program?

P.S. – Oklahoma is a hot bed state for recruiting. It’s not Texas, California or Florida, but it is pretty close. Oklahoma is really just an extension of Texas.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Nov 30, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The other part...

…of the equation is the money. A coach has to be comfortable with the money involved as well as the support he is going to be shown. He needs the resources to see his vision through. Personally my gut tells me Kelly get the ND job. Florida is going to hold on tight to Meyer. OU is going to do the same thing with Stoops. They have the resources to do battle with Notre Dame.

Washington Husky Football-Undefeated 1991 National Champions 12-0!

by dawgfan22 on Nov 30, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely the most likely scenario

But even Kelly seems like he wants to stay at Cincy.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Nov 30, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Kelly would like to move up. I’ve heard rumors there are enough skeletons in his closet that he may have a hard time doing so though, especially at a place like Notre Dame. We’ll see…

by kirkd on Nov 30, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OU is Washington but on a larger scale

Go down the roster of the Sooners. They get in-state kids, but they recruit a lot of kids out of state, just like we do. Oklahoma is NOT a hot bed. When you have to recruit out of state as much as they do it’s not.

Again they are in the room, but not close to the top of the list. When you have to recruit out of state as much as OU does, it can’t be at the top. 50% or more players on the roster are from Texas, sprinkled in w/ kids from Arkansas, Kansas, Iowa, Colorado, California, and New Mexico. Can they recruit nationally? You bet, but if they had the resources of Texas, that is to recruit in-state only, don’t think for a second that they’d love to have that resource.

I respect Oklahoma just as much as the next college football fan, but in my eye the OU job is no where near the job at Notre Dame. If you succeed at ND, you become immortal! Stoops is a helluva coach, but is his name spoken with the Rocknes, Leahys, Parsegeans, Holtzs? Not even close.

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Dec 1, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are Crazy!!

The Oklahoma football program has seven national championships, 42 conference championships, and 148 All-Americans. They are one of the MOST prestigous programs in the country. As much as I love Washington, you can’t compare the two. You can compare USC and Oklahoma, they are very equal programs. Wouldn’t it be absolutely stupid for Pete Carroll to leave USC for Notre Dame? It’s would be just as stupid for Stoops to leave OU for ND.

I’ll make you a bet, if Stoops takes the ND job, I’ll leave the blog and never come back. If Stoops doesn’t take the job, you leave and never comeback. Are you confident enough to “put your money where your mouth is”?

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"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Dec 1, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Of those jobs....

…where would you rather live? I realize you can have a second home but you’re going to spend a lot of time close to the campus.

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by dawgfan22 on Nov 30, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seattle!!!!

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"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Nov 30, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crazi, disagree

actually if you are closer to my age, then you will know that Florida St was nothing before Bowden. It actually was once Florida school for women. Florida was the big Dawg in 60s (Spurrier) qnd mid 50s Miami (George NMira). Had several friends in my military days who went wild when Bowden started winning, and they told me it was originally a womens school. Much like Boise which started as a JC.

by prrbrr on Dec 1, 2009 7:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bowden

How long has Bobby Bowden been at Florida State? I think his first season was 74. That’s a long freakin’ time bud. To me that has “tradition” and “success” written all over it. 35 years with all that success, beleive me Florida State is a big job!

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Dec 1, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hugh Millen

I remember he was arguing a while back for OU as the most successful college football program.

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by dawgfan22 on Nov 30, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Us "younger" guys

can easily forget just how successful Oklahoma was, they are one of the greatest programs in the history of college football.

P.S. – I went to flight school in Tulsa, OK. For the record, I hate Oklahoma (the state), but you have to give credit where credit is do. Needless to say, the OU football program deserves credit.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Nov 30, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but...

… parking at the Cal @ UW game. I currently live in Bellevue (moved during summer) and I’ll be driving into Seattle via 520 but where should I park? I would prefer somewhere close to campus.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 30, 2009 3:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Depends on how much you’re willing to pay. You can park in the UW underground parking lot under Red Square for $25, or $15 if you have 3 or more in the car. It’s about a 5-10 minute walk from Red Square down past Drumheller Fountain to the stadium from there – pretty scenery on the way.

There are also a number of business in the U-District and around U-Village where you can pay to park, but getting to the stadium from there is more of a hassle.

You can also try parking in the student parking lots north of the stadium, but you have to get there early to get a spot. I believe the pricing is the same as listed for the Red Square parking. The advantage to Red Square is that you can arrive an hour or less before the game and still find spots, and you can leave much quicker.

http://www.gohuskies.com/ot/transportation-fb-parking.html

by kirkd on Nov 30, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Would you consider other options?

If you don’t have to drive, I’d suggest the Metro Buses, or even a restaurant followed by a boat ride.

I’m not a fan of Metro buses, I avoid them at ALL cost. The only exception is the football games. They are set up very well, very efficient, you can get to the stadium almost 2 hours early, parking is free, and you only have to put up with other fans.

If you have the time and money, I’d really recommend Ivar’s Salmon House, or Chinook’s. Ivar’s has an all you can eat seafood buffett, crab legs, salmon, prime rib, you name it, included is the boat ride to the stadium, not bad for $40.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Nov 30, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm....

…thanks for the tip Lear! I may have to try that myself!

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by dawgfan22 on Nov 30, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It is WELL worth it.

Not only do you get a wonderful seafood buffet, you get to take a boat to the game! My wife and I will be doing it at least once a year.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Nov 30, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a bus from Bellevue? I have the Orca card that I can use (but have never used thus far). I’ve had Ivar’s at Seatac before. Personally I want to go to Chinatown and eat because I absolutely love the Chinese restaurants there haha.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Dec 1, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you go to the Eastgate Park & Ride a couple hours before the game, you can take a free shuttle to the stadium – you won’t need your Orca card.

Here’s a list of the various Park & Ride locations where you can get a free shuttle to the game:

http://www.gohuskies.com/ot/transportation-alt-travel.html

by kirkd on Dec 1, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've taken the Eastgate busses.

We try to get on the first bus, two hours before game time, we get to the stadium about 1 1/2 hours before game time. The buses are free, parking is free, and the eastgate park and ride is probably the most organized and shortest line to get back on a bus for the ride home. It’s really a great way to get to the game.

"Legends are made on the shores of Lake Washington"
"BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON"

by Lear Pilot on Dec 1, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Now I just need to find Eastgate.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Dec 2, 2009 12:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Where's Christe?

I heard a rumor that Michael Christe commited to UDub and I keep checking over at dawgman to see if in fact it’s true. So far dawgman has yet to put him on the commit list.

Anybody know what’s going on?

All I saw was purple

by crazidawg on Dec 1, 2009 7:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nobody can get a hold of him or his coach to confirm.

Expect to hear good news later this week about a kid that visited for the Apple Cup…

by kirkd on Dec 1, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Since Condotta is reporting it on his blog, I’ll clarify here – sounds extremely likely that Kevin Smith will be committing to the UW later this week. He’s saying he’s unlikely to take any other visits (UW and Colorado are his only visits so far), he really loved his trip to the UW and says they’re his leader “for sure” and he’s planning on making his decision this week.

He’s a physically gifted athlete that could play WR or S. He only started playing football partway through his Junior year after focusing on basketball initially, and has shot up the recruiting boards and is rated 4-stars by Scout.com and 3-stars by Scouts, Inc (ESPN).

by kirkd on Dec 1, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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