1. Florida 2. Utah 3. USC 4. Texas 5. Oklahoma
The AP Poll is out and Utah finished second behind Florida in the voting which was really no surprise. The Ute's were impressive this season and beat Alabama with little problem in the post season but just fell short in the final voting.
One thing for sure is that the BCS really doesn't work well most of the time. This season we had quite a few teams bunched at the top that were all pretty evenly balanced. The only way you can be sure one is better than the other is to have a playoff.
I personally think USC was the best team at the end of the season but that loss to Oregon State precluded them from competing for the big prize against Florida because of the perceived weakness of the Pac 10 this year. Funny thing though, the Pac 10 ended up going 5-0 this bowl season.
Utah, the only team in major college football to go undefeated this season, got 16 first-place votes and 1,519 points. “I thought we had an outside chance,” Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said in a telephone interview with the AP. “There was enough national sentiment, I thought we might get the No. 1 slot. It wasn’t to be.”
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I still think if we had a playoff
USC would win it all. In fact I think they may have won it the last 2-3 years. Too bad for them tey keep tripping over one game a year.
by Snostrebla on
Jan 9, 2009 10:52 AM PST
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Six out of the last seven
I think they may have been the best team six out of the last seven years.
by John Berkowitz on
Jan 9, 2009 11:18 AM PST
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Don't be too sure
Why would you think a playoff would tell us whether “one team is better than the other”? It would tell us which team won that particular game, but that hardly settles the matter. Nobody — nobody — thinks Oregon State is objectively better than USC. Or that Ole Miss is objectively better than Florida.
What a playoff would definitely to is a take a big chunk of the fun out of college football. It would increase the focus on the national picture, which is relevant for only a very small number of teams. On the other hand, the argument about who is better is the only thing that makes life worth living from January through August. The thing that did more to solidify me as a fan of college football in general and Husky football in particular is cultivating a white-hot hatred for BYU following the 1984 season. The messiness is what’s fun! It’s the beauty.
If we had a playoff, it wouldn’t change the uncertainty, anyway. Listen, it is totally impossible to take 120 teams, play 12 games each, and decide which one is best. You can’t do it. Instead of thinking of a team’s “goodness” as a single number, think of it as a very wide, flat bell-shaped curve. Although USC’s average game is higher than Oregon State’s, on any given Saturday there’s a reasonable chance that Oregon State’s roll of the dice will produce a higher number than USC’s. That’s hugely entertaining, but it makes it impossible to actually know who is best without playing many, many games — in fact, playing each team many, many times.
Fortunately, it doesn’t matter. USC fans can believe they got screwed, and so can Utah fans. Florida fans can point to their accomplishments, and Texas fans can ask why they weren’t invited seeing as how they beat Oklahoma anyway. We can all argue this and debate it endlessly until Labor Day. What a great system!
No playoff!
by djohnson on
Jan 9, 2009 11:23 AM PST
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No Playoff!?!?
When was the last time that a Champion won and you walked away saying, “They are not the best team!”. It is the BEST way to crown a true champion. I would rather have Utah beat USC than have a bunch of “experts” rank them better than the Trojans. USC would demolish Utah in a playoff and for that fact anybody in the country. A playoff would let me rest my head at the end of the season and say that Team X is the best there is. I dont like Gray areas, Sports are played in Black and White. There should ALWAYS be a winner! How horrible are these bowl games that they force on us?!?! They should have teh conference champions from the big 6 conferences and 2 at large bids and let them play it out. This way the regular season still has meaning. You can still keep all the lesser bowls to keep teams happy if you want too. I would rather know who the best is and move on than spend 4 months arguing about it.
by bigdave967 on
Jan 9, 2009 12:38 PM PST
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Happens all the time
I’ll just give you the examples that come to mind while I’m sitting here.
Villanova basketball in 1985
Giants football last year
US hockey in 1980
Jets in 1969
Buster Douglas
They all won their championships, but nobody thinks they were “the best.” That’s why they’re considered upsets.
by djohnson on
Jan 9, 2009 2:02 PM PST
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All those proved it on the field...
thats all we can ask for.
by Snostrebla on
Jan 9, 2009 2:59 PM PST
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The Upset is what we live for as fans
All of these were clear cut champions though and that is what the college football fan wants. How exhausting is it every year when January rolls around where we continue to have the debates about who is the champion and who should be the champion. With a clear cut champion we don’t have the hassel of debate. Thus we then can tune in and watch something miraculous.
1987? Who would’ve thought Keith Smart’s jumper at the buzzer of the Men’s NCAA college basketball championship would fall? We witnessed greatness that night and it was special. With college football all we get are lousy matchups in games that really don’t mean anything else besides a hefty payday for the schools and conferences. All we have left is the crummy debate over who is the champion and who should be champion. Sucks … who cares if Georgetown was the best team, or that NE Pats were attempting to go down in history, the Soveits 20 year domination, the Baltimore who’s?, or an animal named Iron Mike. We witnessed greatness fella. With your logic we would’ve missed out on all of this.
So if you prefer the college football logic, then surely…
- The Georgetown Hoyas should’ve been crowned the championship after the season in 1985.
- The New England Patriots (who nobody likes) would’ve finished the season 16-0 and the SuperBowl wouldn’t exist.
- The Mircle movie would not have been made about the 80 US hockey team and the Cold War possibly would’ve never ended.
- The Colts might’ve stayed in Baltimore hadn’t the upset taken place.
- And Iron Mike might’ve turned out to be as responsible as Mr. Rogers, thus avoiding prison, and biting off Holifield’s ear.
We would’ve missed every great moment in sports dude. Get real!
by crazidawg on
Jan 9, 2009 3:28 PM PST
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5 in a 20+ year span...
plus you could argue that the Giants were the better team. The only lost by 3 on the last game of the year and they knew how to beat the Pat’s. They went on the road and won every game. They were the best team last year.
Also, for the others that are upsets, like Crazi said, without playoffs none of those great events would have happened. You play the games for a reason.
by bigdave967 on
Jan 9, 2009 3:53 PM PST
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You guys are missing the point
The debate is half the fun. Settling it on the field DOES end the argument, you’re right, and that’s the problem. It doesn’t answer the question (who’s best?), as I’ve explained, but it ends the argument. So what are we supposed to talk about in February? Basketball? Please. And baseball in July? Don’t waste my time.
No, give me a good old-fashioned controversy about the national champion of college football any day of the week and any month of the year. Let basketball have its March Madness, let the NBA have whatever it is they have to identify whatever it is they’re looking for (I can’t be bothered to know). Let baseball give the Yankees a trophy at the end of their endless season. For me, I like college football. And one of the reasons I like it so much is that I get to talk about it all the time. And the reason I get to talk about it all the time is that NOBODY KNOWS!
It’s the best!
As for you, crazidawg, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Who said I don’t like upsets? Who said I don’t appreciate drama? Do I get less of that in the current system? Obviously not. I give you Utah. I give you Oregon. I give you Oregon State. I’m just saying I think declaring a champion is impossible no matter what — playoff, polls, chicken entrails. None of it works. Let’s not mess with a good thing. The best thing in all sports: college football.
And bigdave967, your statement is priceless: you could argue that the Giants were the better team. So, by your logic, if New England had won, the Super Bowl would have identified the inferior team as the national champion? Huh. That’s interesting. I seem to remember somebody else pointing out that the game itself is likely not to settle the issue. Now, if I could just remember who that was…
by djohnson on
Jan 9, 2009 5:44 PM PST
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We aren't mssing the point at alI...
we find the argument VERY annoying. Instead of sitting knee deep in hypotheticals – Settle it on the field. Pretty simple.
by Snostrebla on
Jan 9, 2009 7:17 PM PST
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Okay, but at least...
…acknowledge that a playoff doesn’t “settle” anything. I mean, in at least one sense it’s been “settled on the field” this year, too. Every one of the teams in the discussion* had the opportunity to win a 12-game tournament and claim the national title. The NCAA is one giant losers’ bracket.
Anyway, be careful what you wish for. You guys have one thing going for you: you’ll definitely get your wish sooner or later. Maybe your strategy should be to be gracious and let guys like me savor our last few years of the current (endlessly interesting) method. How about it?
- Except for Utah, of course.
by djohnson on
Jan 9, 2009 8:49 PM PST
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I don't hear anyone complaining...
at the end of March about who won the basketball tourney, Yes, there are some woulda, coulda , shoulda’s but 64 teams had a shot. I know some say that the regular season in college football is the tourney but that would make it the only sport without any pre-season games, non counting games or warm up games and for a highly complex team oriented game like football that just doesn’t seem right. You should be allowed to stumble a little and still have a shot at the end of the season.
by Snostrebla on
Jan 10, 2009 12:02 AM PST
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Go back to the Traditional Bowl Alliance
The biggest debate in sports always happens in the middle of January. Because the NCAA fails us every year by not offering the paying fan a llegit champion. I honestly hate the weeks after the Bowl season. I waste so much time and energy with my family, friends, and co workers in arguing who the national championship should go to. It’s nonsense because it will never get corrected and it is the biggest fraud in sports!
I love college football it is my favorite sport, but I cannot stand the current BCS system. If the BCS is a joke as it is right now, I say let’s go back to the way it was. At least then we’d have a traditional Rose Bowl Game (Big 10 champ vs. Pac 10 champ). To me New Year’s Day is all about the Rose Bowl- it is my holiday and it is best suited for the Big 10 vs. Pac 10. I don’t want a biased computer telling me that Oklahoma is more qualified to play in the BCS championship when a human can tell that Texas is better due to head to head contest. They put those computers in the system because they think college football fans are morons. The computers were installed to ensure the best available television draw, which translates to higher television revenue. End of story.
by crazidawg on
Jan 9, 2009 9:45 PM PST
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If New England would have won
they would have been the best team. Its simple logic. You play the games for a reason. Giants won, they were the best team.
So with your logic, why play any games? Just have teams line up and lets just say who we think the best team is year in and year out and debate that. If you want to spend your time wasted on who you think the best team is fine…i would rather know than guess.
by bigdave967 on
Jan 10, 2009 8:02 AM PST
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Totally disagree...
I have no problem with college basketball crowning the winner of its 64 team tournament as the champ. Usually, Duke or NC are rated #1 throughout the year but they still have to prove it on the court in a tourney. And usually the #1 team goes down. If your the best then at the end of the year you have to go out and prove it. In college football one bad game in September and you have no shot even if it’s pretty obvious to all that your the best team (USC). My beloved Dawgs would have at least 2 more NC’s if they had a tourney like Div. II and almost every other sport does. The system sucks!!!
by Snostrebla on
Jan 9, 2009 1:05 PM PST
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The AP Poll is more credible
The coaches poll is a joke. I don’t think Mack Brown watched Utah play all season long- at least not until the Sugar Bowl. But Brown has a vote in the coaches poll- GOOD GRIEF!
The interactive Harris Poll? I heard on ESPN radio that they conducted an interview of some of the Harris Poll voters. The voters of this poorly planned poll said they didn’t watch Utah play all season long. How much of this fraud is going on? How many coaches will vote for a team they beat higher in the polls just so their strength of schedule looks better on paper, better yet on a computerized spread sheet?
That brings us to the computer rankings. How is the imput tabulated? Do they rank all 119 football programs 1 thru 119, what is their criteria based upon? You see ladies and gentlemen this is where the real bias stems from. Somewhere in the preseason these computer geeks have to rank all 119 programs in order to have a rank template to work with. From their the computer does the rest of the work on its own all season long. So in regards to the computer poll, the process is biased even before the season kicks underway. Same thing applies to the coaches poll preseason top 25.
It’s no wonder the AP saw the BCS system as fraud. Why else would the pull out of it? They saw the fraud in the way Texas was able to leap frog Cal in the final poll to get invited to a BCS bowl game. Soon after the AP announced that it would no longer be aligned with anything associated with the BCS.
The AP poll is not perfect, but from this onlooker it is the most qualified, credible, unbiased, and legit poll. And I firmly believe it should weigh heavier in crowning a national champion over the fraudulent BCS system.
by crazidawg on
Jan 9, 2009 11:25 AM PST
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Master Coaches Poll
I think the Master Coaches Poll was probably the most credible because a board of ex coaches like Don James, Pat Dye, John Cooper, and Terry Donahue actually watched film on each team.
by John Berkowitz on
Jan 9, 2009 11:36 AM PST
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Agreed, but they don’t have the ability of crowning champions.
by crazidawg on
Jan 9, 2009 11:39 AM PST
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Since the NCAA doesn’t officially recognize a “National Champion” in Division 1 football, nobody has the ability to crown a champion – the Master Coaches Poll holds as much official validity as the BCS and AP.
by kirkd on
Jan 9, 2009 11:43 AM PST
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Umm... Florida received the BCS national championship Crystal Ball
According to the BCS system Florida was officially recognized as the BCS National Championship as soon as the scoreboard read :00 with their yawning and uninpressive performance. The game was full of stupid penalties and costly errors (turnovers). To me a bonafied national champion would not make these mistakes in a high stakes game. My top 3?
1. USC- nobody would touch the Trojans at season’s end
2. Utah- My opinion but I think the Utes would prevail over an offensive-challenged Gater team.
3. Florida- Was not impressed, but glad they exposed the Big 12 offenses
by crazidawg on
Jan 9, 2009 1:20 PM PST
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Defense wins championshps!
I think the term “Defense Wins Championships” was just proven to be a true statement over the last year. USC’s defense destroys Penn State, Utah’s defense manhandles the Tide, Florida’s defense puts the clamps down on the overhyped supposively all-world Sooner offense, and the NY Football Giants defense comes up aces in last year’s SuperBowl win over the undefeated Pats.
Their should be no question about it anymore.
by crazidawg on
Jan 9, 2009 11:39 AM PST
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Championship?
It seems nobody likes the current BCS format, including me. Even the Plus One would not solve the problem this year; U$C, Utah, FL, and maybe even TX had a legitimate claim to being in the game. But we couldn’t do that because t he children have to get back to school, except the last game was Jan 8th.
If they don’t want to do a real championship on the field, I would be happy to go back to the pre-BCS bowl arrangements. The BCS destroyed the old bowl system. And after the bowls were over, there were lots of champs and we could argue about who was the best.
by dawgdude on
Jan 9, 2009 5:54 PM PST
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Don't be too quick to trash the BCS
If what you want is a formal, “official,” bona fide, endorsed, and hand-delivered national champion, then the BCS is a disaster. (I’d argue that any system intended to do this for college football is bound to fail, anyway.) But, if what you want is a whole bunch of great games at the end of the year, then the BCS is fantastic! Just look at the stellar lineup we had, with so many top-10 teams playing each other.
The BCS is silly because it pretends to do what it can’t: crown a national champion. But it is pretty good at giving us great football in January. Count your blessings.
by djohnson on
Jan 9, 2009 6:41 PM PST
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Wow, I'm surprised anybody like the BCS
What has the BCS accomplished, it has destroyed the allure of some of the greatest bowl games, it does not produce a definitive champion, and it pisses off 2-4 schools every year, and only 1-2 are satisified. The fact USC “settled” for the Rose Bowl is evidence enough.
For those of you who think a playoff won’t produce a bonafide, arguement free, definitive champion, I present you with an example of how it is guaranteed to produce a true champion every year. You take the four major bowls, you give bowl bids to the champion of the six major conferences and you have two at large bids. Win your conference or sit down and shut up. The two at large bids could be given out to the best non bcs schools, or you could even have a 4 team playoff in December for non bcs schools to qualify for the at large spots. Either way, it’s a put up or shut up world, win your conference and your playoff games or sit down, shut up and lets crown a true champion.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
by Lear Pilot on
Jan 9, 2009 8:15 PM PST
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"Put up or shut up"
That’s it. It doesn’t settle the argument, it just ends it. Besides, other than Utah, its not like anybody has room to complain. If USC had just beaten Oregon State, they’d be polishing their faux-crystal football-shaped trophy right now. Same with everybody else.
by djohnson on
Jan 9, 2009 8:52 PM PST
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You still had your shot...
…that’s what’s nice about a playoff, a team at least is in the mix for the title. If they lose who can they blame but themselves? If SC had been in playoffs this year and they got beat by say Florida, how can they argue? They lost and that ends it. As it is now you have people debating whether Utah or SC would have beaten Florida.
by doubledeucedawg on
Jan 9, 2009 9:07 PM PST
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If there was a playoff there would be no debate, it would settle the argument and end it.
Florida lost to Ole Miss and USC lost to OSU…Oklahoma lost to Texas, Texas lost to Texas Tech…so what’s your point. Every team except Utah had a loss so what makes Florida so special? What gave them the right to be there? If you want to argue for 8 months about who you Think is the best team then be my guest. I would rather know for sure and the only way to do that is to play the games.
by bigdave967 on
Jan 10, 2009 8:09 AM PST
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The debate
A lot of people think the debate is just as fun as the games.
by John Berkowitz on
Jan 9, 2009 9:38 PM PST
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Those people are idiots in my mind...
If there is a competitive bone in your body you would HATE the BCS. I would go nuts if I was USC or Utah right now…I would HAVE to know if I was the best or not. Play on the field…win or lose at least you would know who the #1 team was.
by bigdave967 on
Jan 10, 2009 8:14 AM PST
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sorry
that was a little over the top…I dont think they are idiots but I can’t stand not knowing either…
by bigdave967 on
Jan 10, 2009 8:33 AM PST
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Don't apologize - They are idiots.
You are right dead on, Championships should be won on the field, end of discussion. If we just want to argue about it, why play any games? Lets just argue about who would win each game. Anybody with an ounce of self respect and a competitive bone in their body would want to decide it on the field.
Boxing fell apart because of “Paper” champions, the NCAA better see the light, or they are next.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
by Lear Pilot on
Jan 10, 2009 10:45 PM PST
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The Debate
I love the debate no matter which angle it is coming from.
by John Berkowitz on
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