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Rating the Pac-10 coaches

With the 2008 season in the books, I thought it would be a fun debate to rate the coaches in the Pac-10.

My criteria is as follows: I'm looking at the coach's entire career, weighted most towards recent years, and accounting for the degree of difficulty at each location (i.e. it's harder to win at WSU than it is USC).

With that in place, here's how I'd rate them (in alphabetical order of school):

Mike Stoops (Arizona): D+

Stoops has done only slightly above the bare minimum to keep his job at Arizona.  Yes, he inherited a messy situation from Mackovic, and Tuscon isn't quite as attractive to recruit to as Tempe, but good coaches can do well there (Larry Smith, Dick Tomey).  Adding Sonny Dykes was a smart move by Stoops, but I think he's not really out of the woods yet - losing Tuitama, Thomas and 3 OL will be tough, and the Wildcats could struggle next year.

Dennis Erickson (Arizona State): B+

This was a tough one to rate; love him or hate him, Erickson is one of the best college coaches of his generation when you look at his entire career, with the National Championships at Miami and the major revival he did at Oregon State (building off what Riley started).  But the disappointing season the Sun Devils just concluded clouds things a bit.  Still, I'd bet on it being a temporary lull, with improvement next season and the Sun Devils being legit conference contenders in 2-3 years.  It's possible though that Erickson is slipping some from his glory days.

Jeff Tedford (Cal): B

A few years ago Tedford would've rated an "A", but he seems to have plateaued.  And while nobody should undersell the remarkable turnaround he's engineered at Cal, inheriting an awful program and immediately turning them into an annual bowl team, it appears he missed his window of opportunity to snatch a conference title away from USC.  Cal fans are starting to get jaded, which is too bad given the history of the program prior to Tedford, but it's also true that Cal seems less certain every year to be a serious challenger to USC's supremacy.  Maybe this has just been a short lull and Tedford can get Cal to elite status; certainly, it will help his efforts when Cal's athletic facilities finally get a long-overdue upgrade.

Mike Bellotti (Oregon): B

I'm sure some would argue this is too low, but given all the advantages that Phil Knight's money has bought, I think Bellotti has done a good, but not outstanding job.  His conference record (77-47) is less impressive than his overall record, reflective of some of the patsies the Ducks have scheduled over the years.  I'll give him credit for hiring innovative offensive minds; if he'd shown the same flair for defensive coaches, he'd rank higher, and he might have more Pac-10 titles.  Was this year his swan-song?  Can Chip Kelly maintain the success Bellotti has had?

Mike Riley (Oregon State): A-

I struggled with this grade as well, i.e. how much extra credit to give Riley for winning in Corvallis.  Quite a bit I decided - this is probably the 2nd toughest place to recruit to in the Pac-10 behind Pullman.  What Riley has built there is remarkable, with 3 consecutive 9+ win seasons.  The Beavers are consistently one of the toughest, hardest-hitting teams in the conference, and in a lot of ways they resemble what the Huskies used to be under Don James.  While the choke job against the Ducks this year will haunt them, they have proven to be a major thorn in the side of the Trojans and I wouldn't rule out a Rose Bowl for the Beavers under Riley.

Jim Harbaugh (Stanford): B-

Harbaugh inherited a bad program and has quickly given them respectability, famously upsetting USC last year and turning the Cardinal into a tough, physical team.  Still, we're only 2 years into Harbaugh, and it's a bit early to get a really good feel for how he's building the program.  Next year will tell us a lot - can he get the Cardinal beyond just respectability and actually get a bowl berth and start challenging for the upper half of the conference?  Despite what some might have you think, recruiting to Stanford isn't an overly difficult task; while at a disadvantage due to academic requirements, they also fare far better in landing the guys on their list precisely because of their academics.

Rick Neuheisel (UCLA): C+

I'm sure some will say this is sour grapes as a Husky fan.  And while I thought he did a great job taking over Lambo's kids and winning the Rose Bowl after the 2000 season, there remain huge question marks over his ability to build a program long-term.  I'm actually willing to give him a mulligan for this past season given the horrible injury issues the Bruins suffered, but I'm not convinced yet that Neuheisel knows how to build a upper-echelon program.  He got very lucky in inheriting DeWayne Walker and having the opportunity to get Norm Chow; we'll see who he can get to replace Walker, and whether he and Chow can co-exist for long.

Pete Carroll (USC): A

Yes, USC is the easiest place in the conference to recruit to, but you have to go back to 1924 to find a coach at USC that has a higher winning percentage.  The run the Trojans have been on since 2002 is the greatest run of domination in the last 50 years of the conference, surpassing anything John McKay or John Robinson did.  Carroll is the real deal, a perfect fit for USC.  But he'd win at any university with his positive personality and obsession with the spirit of competition.  The only thing keeping him from an "A+" grade are his slip-ups the last 3 years that have kept the Trojans out of the BCS Championship game.

Steve Sarkisian (UW): N/A

Can't rate a guy that has never before been a head coach.  Let's revisit him in a couple years.

Paul Wulff (WSU): Incomplete

Last season was an absolute disaster for the Cougs, but Wulff inherited a bad team with major academic and behavior issues.  I think it's too soon to give him a grade; I want to see what happens next year.  He does seem to be doing a pretty good job of recruiting given the circumstances, but I'm also not convinced he and his coaches are up to Pac-10 standards - I doubt Dennis Erickson would've struggled as much with this team as Wulff did.

 

Thoughts?  I'm sure there will be a variety of differing opinions, especially from non Husky fans...

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I would rate Bellotti #2 behind Carroll at this point followed by Tedford than Riley.

This is a nice post and I should have added it to the main column of posts….in fact I will do that now….thanks Kirk!

by John Berkowitz on Jan 9, 2009 11:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Great topic, but scrap the - and plus

I think Harbough is C material. He has the luxuary to recruit nationally due to the Stanford degree and I don’t think this program has done much. Sure they knocked off USC last year, so has Oregon State and Oregon. One game does not determine career success.

Harbough won’t be on the Farm long fellas- every Stanford coach, including basketball coaches use the Stanford job as a stepping stone. Quite certain Johnny Dawkins will depart when the right job opens up too.

by crazidawg on Jan 10, 2009 12:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He's had what 3 years?

Give the man a chance, not every 5 star recruit can either GET IN to stanford as an athlete or wants to deal with that kind of academics.

by duckyou on Jan 22, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a Big fan of Mike Stoops but too low of a grade

The guy inherited a terrible program and Tuscon is not a football town- Lute’s Wildcats are IT. But he finally turned the corner this season and got the cats to a bowl game.

Even though it was a minor bowl, they did beat BYU who had national respect for most of the season. I think Stoops should receive a C for a job well done.

by crazidawg on Jan 10, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice Idea Kirk

Come on Crazi, not again, Harbaugh C material? Has the luxury to recruit nationally? IT"S STANFORD!!!!!! They get all the geeks with good grades, not the great athletes who barely make it. He has added some fire to Stanford football. I would give him at least a B+ given what he is working with.

Agree, a C is pretty fair for Stoops.

Wulff deserves an F, but since they beat the Huskies I’d give him a D -

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 10, 2009 3:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe a C- for Stoops. I guess I feel like after 5 years, Stoops has only just this season posted a winning record to save his job – otherwise he was going to get fired. A “D+” is a passing grade, if a poor one.

I can see dropping Harbaugh to C+ and raising Bellotti to B+ as well.

Too early to really start judging Wulff IMO. The first season in a major coaching turnover, especially with such a major culture change happening, can be rough. I’m inclined to think that Wulff isn’t going to pan out, but it’s awfully early to tell, and he is taking advantage of the horrible year by the Huskies to get a few guys he’d normally lose to the UW.

by kirkd on Jan 10, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes! Harbough is C Material- C = Average

Maybe it is too early in Harbough’s career to know how good of a job he’s done. I do know this little nugget about Stanford.

The basketball and baseball teams get national respect.

Both programs are prominent programs on a national scale. But Stanford football is horrible, is and has been.

A Stanford degree looks pretty dam good on any resume. Harbough needs to use that as a recruiting tool. They get kids all over the nation just like SC and the Domers. I just think they fail to use the degree as a great tool for recruiting great talent. Their are some very smart kids out their that can actually play football. The key is recruiting and signing the Lineharts and Palmers.

Harbough is C material until I see more of what he can do as a head coach. Still too early to define his success.

by crazidawg on Jan 11, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Little insider info here:

There’s a 6’6" WR that goes to my school who got an offer from Stanford a couple months back. This kid is the most versatile and athletic that maybe I’ve ever seen. He’s about 6’6", 195, star of both the basketball and football teams… but he is no Tesla. I don’t know how his grades are, I imagine he has a good-not-great GPA… but I do know he’s a real slacker and his intelligence itself, not his grades, but his intellect, is not good.

I don’t know if that contributed to this discussion, I just do know Stanford’s making offers to actual players, not just smart kids that can play.

Is a mancrush on LeGarrette Blount considered beastiality?

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by qrsouther on Jan 11, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, you are exactly right.

Basketball and baseball teams are much easier to be successful with, look at all the small schools that have Div 1 basketball or baseball teams but not football.

You are right, they should sell the degree, which proves my point, the Leinharts and Palmers of the world aren’t going to go to a school with such high academic standards, they are going to play for the best FOOTBALL programs, not the best schools. Why do think the Ivy league schools are not in Division 1A?

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 12, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To me a B = "above average"

Okay you make a valid point about the academic standards and how good football talent is going to schools that are easier to qualify. Harbough has only been at Stanford for 2 years and from what I’ve seen it isn’t “above average” work.

Above average would be going to a minor bowl game and winning. That is what a B (above average) means to me and Harbough hasn’t done that yet.

Stanford in the Holiday Bowl = A+
Stanford in the Sun Bowl = A
Stanford in Emerald or Las Vegas Bowl = B

Yes Harbough has improved the program and he knocked off USC. But no bowl game = average = C work.

by crazidawg on Jan 13, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Considering what Harbaugh inherited, I’m inclined to give him some benefit of the doubt, hence the B- instead of C+. If he returns, we’ll have a better idea of how he stacks up. If he doesn’t have Stanford bowling next year, I’d move his grade down.

by kirkd on Jan 13, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget, we are talking about Stanford

Looking at what he has done, given what he had to work with, he easily has done above average at Stanford.

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by Lear Pilot on Jan 14, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wulff? Agree w/ Incomplete

The guy had no defense, no quarterback, no runningback, a patchy offensive line, and one legit offensive player at WR.

Wulff inherited probably the worst Coug team ever. I honestly believe that the no-huddle offense is a huge waste of time for WSU. They seem to be following the trends of college football, where they will be like everybody else in about 4 to 5 years, switching back to the pro.

Wulff needs to rebuild WSU, but how do you rebuild WSU when Pullman offers you nothing? Wulff needs to recruit a lot of Prosser kids. Not necessarily the 3, 4, and 5 star recruits, but a lot of 1 and 2 star kids that will fit into a BSU-like system. That is the only way I see WSU getting back in the race.

by crazidawg on Jan 11, 2009 11:11 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'll give Harbaugh closer to a B+, actually.

I really like what he’s done there, be it working with lower tier players, or competing/beating mid-to-upper tier programs.

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by qrsouther on Jan 11, 2009 9:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Mine would look

Carroll
Riley
Harbaugh
Bellotti

by duckyou on Jan 22, 2009 6:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Disagree about Harbaugh. While he’s shown promise, he also hasn’t had a winning record his first two years, whereas Tedford took over a worse program and has won every year he’s been at Cal. Not having a winning record yet isn’t a big knock against Harbaugh – he inherited a tough situation – but let’s not go overboard on what he’s done so far.

If Harbaugh returns, we’ll have a better idea after ‘09 where he ranks. I suspect he’ll be a pretty good one, but I don’t think he’s proven enough to be ranked ahead of Bellotti or Tedford, and definitely not Erickson who’s won wherever he’s been and has a NC ring.

by kirkd on Jan 22, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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