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Do you agree with Sarkisian's decision to coach in the Rose Bowl?

One of the reasons I started this blog was to bring a little sanity back for the fans of Husky football who have had to endure six years of complete misery.

When I say sanity a good recent example is a number of recent posts over on Dawgman criticizing Steve Sarkisian for coaching in yesterday's Rose Bowl game for USC. What many of these well meaning posters forget is that we are in the middle of a dead period when recruits cannot be contacted that coincided with some of the worst weather the region has seen in over a decade.

I love the boards at Dawgman because they are truly the pulse of what is going on in the Husky community. I just find it amusing when that pulse starts beating erratically.

Let's make a couple of things clear. Only Rick Neuheisel and Jackie Sherrill recruit during the dead period. The dead period is just that. You aren't allowed to contact or visit recruits. They can however call you. If you have a phone no matter where you are you can take that call. No reason you can't take that call while preparing a team for the Rose Bowl.

You could visit local high school coaches in Washington State except that they are all home with their families because school isn't in session until next week.

I guess you could use that time to get to know the players on the current roster a little better but since UW is not in session and all the players are home with their families that isn't an achievable goal either.

As far as making inquiries into building your coaching staff you don't have to be sitting in Montlake waiting out a snowstorm to do that. Once again they have these things called cell phones and computers where you can contact anyone in the world at any time. They can also contact you if they want.

What Sarkisian did do was spend this time preparing the USC Trojans for the Rose Bowl. If you have ever been to a Rose Bowl practice you realize that the sidelines are full of Southern California HS players and coaches who come to observe. Every kid isn't going to USC and I think the networking opportunity is just way to good to pass up.

As far as the game itself there are millions of people watching across the country who keep hearing repeatedly with every close up shot of Sarkisian that he is headed to the University of Washington. Every single time the USC offense makes a big play they show a shot of Sarkisian. Do you think that maybe sends a positive message to potential recruits?

Hey...Everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it is a bad one. I just couldn't think of any negatives when it came to Sarkisian finishing out his contract at USC and not abandoning the kids he recruited for their final game together.

I think it was great for USC and even better in the long run for Washington.

What do you think?

 

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I agree 100%

Nothing but positives came out of the Rose Bowl and Sark being there. Unfortunatly, the last 6 years of UW football has taught us to find some fault in every action and to expect the worse. I, for one, have wiped the slate clean and am looking at everything with a renewed positive focus – (I kind of have to for my own sanity). I’m hoping more people can adopt this mentality until Sark, Woodmert or the players give us a reason to think otherwise. So far, in my opinion, Sark has came up all Aces!!!

by Snostrebla on Jan 2, 2009 9:46 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rose Bowl

I was disagreeing with fellow Husky fans prior to the Rose Bowl trying to make the same point. Just look at all of the Positive Press the Huskies got during the Rose Bowl. I am so tired of the negative postings. Lets all turn the chapter. It’s like everything has been so bad for so long nobody wants to believe things can change. I for one am onboard.

by Lotar on Jan 2, 2009 9:52 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Coaches like to coach

when Mike Price left for Alabama, I didn’t think he should coach WSU’s bowl game. Obviously it was important to Price, and I think WSU owed it him to coach one last game. It appears that coaches and their former school don’t want an announcement made until the end of the season, but the gaining/hiring school wants to make the announcement and get the alumni off their back.

I saw nothing wrong with Sark coaching in the Rose Bowl. During the dead period, he actually got publicity for UW. He met kids watching the SC practices, that had to be good also. Most people don’t know anything about the asst coaches, Sark got great publicity during the game. SC has this killer defense, but little was said about the DC.

No matter how you feel, he is now our full time head coach. Go dawgs!

by dawgdude on Jan 2, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Couldn't Agree more dawgdude

I think it was great exposure for Sark to be there for the UofW- no question.

Yet I think coaching in a game of this magnitude depends on the situation. I clearly thought Mike Price coaching in the Rose Bowl did him a disservice in regards to his upcoming Alabama job. Didn’t Price brag to the Bama brass “wait and see what sort of offense I am bringing you”. They lost handily to a superior team in Oklahoma. It completely killed his reputation as the next coach at Alabama.

Bo Polini pulled off a good showing in last year’s BCS championship game, who had already been hired to be the next head coach at Nebraska. The Bayou Tigers stormed over The Ohio State University and it just pushed Polini’s stock even hire.

What it comes down to is winning the game- it’s all about perception. Price lost and Polini won. Winning and losing in that situation is huge in whether or not a coach should coach that last game or turn it over and move to your next job. Sarkisian being there and winning that game was a huge accomplishment. Both for his reputation and credibilitiy and great recruitment exposure for the Univeristy of Washington.

by crazidawg on Jan 2, 2009 10:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And as some one else said...

…it appears Sark has done more in his first week or two than Ty did in his first two months.

by doubledeucedawg on Jan 2, 2009 11:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rose Bowl

I totally agree John. If he did not coach it would have been perceived that he gave up on the kids, without gaining anything. I think he would have lost opportunities for the dawgs. It was a good move.

by dadcojohn on Jan 2, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

100% agree its a no brainer in my opinion

You said it all John….plus if you look at how Sanchez embraced Sark after the game…there is an emotional attachment that he has for those players and vice versa. If he wanted to go ahead and coach those kids that he has coached for 4 years who are we to say that that is wrong.

It shows me that he cares about those players and that is what he is going to bring to this team.

Not just rushing the kids off to run the steps.

by john_s on Jan 2, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was the exact image that struck me:

Sanchez hugging Sarkisian after the game. Every high school star in America just saw a great college quarterback sorry to lose his offensive coordinator.

When the dual-role move was first announced, I was sort of wishing that he would just become the UW coach full time, but in hindsight I think this route was much better. Watching USC’s offense absolutely dismantle Penn State’s defense got me a little more excited about the future of Husky football. And I’m sure all the top high school talent on the west coast (not just this year’s class) was watching this game, too…

by busplunger on Jan 2, 2009 10:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with Sarkisian’s decision. I think it helps the UW for the following reasons:

1. It seems that every time his name was mentioned in print or on TV, and every time his face was shown I heard “future head coach at Washington.” It keeps the UW in the press, in a positive light, during a time that it would be easy for everyone around the country to forget about us.

2. As mentioned previously, it shows that he cares about the kids he coaches.

3. It will help him recruit to the UW. Going into the Rose Bowl there was a lot of grumbling from USC fans that the SC offense wasn’t what it should be, and they tended to blame Sark. His offensive schemes and play calling dominated Penn State. I would think that for kids deciding on where to play seeing such a dominant performance would help them commit to such a coach.

4. It shows how much he wants to coach, compete, and win. He stuck with SC to keep coaching, and to win his last game as their off coordinator. He was proud of the system he helped develop and wanted to see it through to the end. Bodes well for the UW.

by NeuroDawg on Jan 2, 2009 10:37 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

The thing is there are some nutty fans out there. They’ll find a problem with anything. The reality is there is a short transition period and we have to live with that. Like you said however there are some very strong positives with Sark coaching through the Rosebowl, national press and exposure etc. Most fans will agree with what you said but there is a fringe element, they’re entitled to their opinion and I guess we have to accept that those fan/fanatics are a part of every teams fan base.

by doubledeucedawg on Jan 2, 2009 11:19 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw nothing wrong with it. Sarkisian strikes me as being highly motivated to succeed. I don’t think he would do something he thought would hinder his success at the University of Washington.

It is nice to have a head coach who I believe wants the same thing for the football program as I do.

by volk on Jan 2, 2009 11:25 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Recruiting

It looks like the cougs are trying to go after Semisi Tokolahi. Did any of you guys notice he was visiting the palousy on January 9th? I’m sure they’ll put the full court press on him because ANY kind of perceived victory by wswho over the Huskies is a reason for celebration over in Palooserville?

Do you guys detect a small amount of animosity for our brothers the cougs?

by doubledeucedawg on Jan 2, 2009 11:42 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops!

I should have said guys/gals. My chauvinism is showing.

by doubledeucedawg on Jan 2, 2009 12:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A NO-BRAINER

Having the Huskies referred to during the Rose Bowl gave the Huskies priceless national exposure. Sark was basically the co-star of the game along with Sanchez and recruits at home had to at least wonder for a minute what it would like to play for Sark.

0-12 teams don’t get that kind of exposure.

The short term benefits might save this year’s recruiting class. Sark’s recruiting class for 2010 could be HUGE if he parlays the Rose Bowl momentum to get in early on 4 and 5 star athletes.

The Sark Daddy star power keeps building in Cali.

The ESPN West Recruiting blog reports today on a big-hitting safety Lester White (Riverside, Calif./J.W. North): http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=West_Recruiting

“I want to visit UCLA (Jan. 16) and I really like them a lot right now,” White said. "They haven’t offered yet but I think they could be close. They’re probably recruiting me harder than anyone but I want to check out a few more places too.

“I still want to visit Nebraska and they were one of my first offers. I’ve been hearing from Washington too and I like the new staff they’re putting together.”

by 206 on Jan 2, 2009 11:48 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

g'bye Beloitti?

It is starting to look more and more like Sark will not get a chance to go H2H with Mike Beloitti. See this link:

http://blogs.registerguard.com/cms/index.php/duck-football/comments/kelly-wont-retain-gray-pflugrad/

I get the whole “we want to give the coach a chance to find a more long-term situation”, but what point is there in making this kind of thing public unless Chip and Mike are already in the process of starting the transition. Why would Mike let Chip, in essence, decide who will be on the coaching staff in 09 if he is still has designs on walking the sideline. Add this to the tears at the post-game last week and we have likely seen the last of Belotti as a head coach.

"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.

by Gekko Mojo on Jan 2, 2009 11:50 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bye-bye Belloti

I sure hope he is gone. It should only make it easier to return Whoregon to there rightful place at the bottom of the Pac10.

"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 3, 2009 10:28 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way John..

LMFAO @ “Only Rick Neuheisel and Jackie Sherrill recruit during the dead period.”
Your sanity check should be a must-read for all Husky fans.

by 206 on Jan 2, 2009 12:02 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sark in Rose Bowl

easy to say it was a great call today…. BUT let’s be honest; sark coaching was a risk for us / him (let’s call it a calculated risk).

certainly from a personal perspective any coach would want to continue coaching in epic events like the Rose Bowl. no brainer.

but…

circumstantially, the huskies are in a complete dungeon of errors and terrors and it makes absolute sense to me that many fans are looking for a coach to come “here” and start “here” immediately. we really don’t have room for more fiddling while Rome is almost burned to hell. that’s reality. we need someone here NOW filling out the coaching roster, making a decision on those unis, game day experience, off-season training program, studying the recruit list to see who he can get even if it is dead period. know where he wants to be the second dead period is open season. stuff like that. husky fans deserve that and let’s be honest, woodward and emmert promised that kind of action. they failed in that respect.

now, as far as the actual coaching goes, i know i’m not the only one who thought the trojans offense wasn’t exactly the greatest show on earth this year. they played great yesterday and obviously sark made great play calls, but if they were the weak spot of the trojans most of the year, is it not plausible that sark might not have had a kick-ass display yesterday in the rose bowl? if he didn’t pwn the nittany lions, then what would the thoughts be?

sark came out a winner yesterday and so did the huskies, but i’m just saying that there’s a very reasonable argument why he should not have been there.

by Meek99 on Jan 2, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you are right, there is a reasonable argument ...

… but at the end of the day, it is doubtful that this choice will impact the program much at all, either positively or negatively. I would tend to agree that there is probably more chance of it being a positive than a negative.

"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.

by Gekko Mojo on Jan 2, 2009 1:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meek

Completely disagree on this one but that’s OK. It is good to hear a conflicting opinion.

I think the point some are missing is that he did start immediately and never stopped working. I think being on the sidelines during the Rose Bowl during the dead period was better than sitting around doing nothing. Nothing really happens unless your in a bowl during the Crhistmas dead period. I don’t think there was any risk but that was just my opinion.

by John Berkowitz on Jan 2, 2009 1:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There’s no hindsight here, I think the consensus on this site before the Rose Bowl game is consistent with what people are saying now.
 And all the things you mentioned that needed to be done now were either illegal,i.e., recruiting during a dead period, or could be accomplished by technology from Southern California.

There was much more be accomplished on behalf of UW with Sark in Southern California…with recruits, coaches, media, etc…even working part-time, than could be accomplished by Sark physically remaining in Washington.

This was a clear low-risk/high reward scenario. A no-brainer.

by 206 on Jan 2, 2009 1:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thinking it through

I think it is more of a matter of thinking it through rather than jumping at conclusions.

I was kind of surprised at first but after It hought it out it made sense to me.

by John Berkowitz on Jan 2, 2009 1:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the whole “controversy” over Sarkisian coaching in the Rose Bowl has been ridiculously over-emphasized. The downsides to him doing so were minor, as were the benefits.

First off, what he did is standard operating procedure – in the last 2 years, there have been 8 situations where a coordinator on a bowl team has been hired as a head coach at another Division 1-A school. In only 1 case (Oklahoma State’s DC taking over at Toledo) has that coordinator NOT coached in his bowl game.

Second, as many have pointed out, there’s not a whole lot that Sarkisian could’ve been doing here at the UW the last week+ – it’s a recruiting dead period and his UW players are away on the Winter break.

- Assembling his staff? He’s been doing that; coaching for the Trojans doesn’t prevent him from making phone calls. And besides, the biggest opportunity for a guy like him with a limited amount of coaching contacts to make connections and fill out his staff is coming up – the coaches convention this coming week.
- Reviewing player film? He’s got months until Spring ball to do that. Losing a couple of weeks is hardly a big deal. And besides, who’s to say he hasn’t been provided with that by the UW staff to review on his laptop at night while he was in L.A.? And who’s to say that Nansen, Martin and Michalczik haven’t been reviewing film as well?
- Reviewing recruit film? He’s the USC recruiting coordinator – I suspect he’s already reviewed a ton of recruit films. And again, who’s to say he hasn’t been doing additional film review while in L.A.? And you can bet his staff (Michalczik, Nansen & Martin) have been reviewing recruit films).

And while I don’t think the exposure he got coaching the Trojans is going to make a huge difference in recruiting, any exposure he got leading up to and through the Rose Bowl is that much more exposure than he’d have gotten had he decided to not coach the Trojans in the Rose Bowl.

As well, don’t discount the positive perception of Sarkisian among players due to his decision to stay with the Trojans through their bowl game. Teams value loyalty, and they respect the fact that he stuck with his team through the end of their season – both the Trojan players and the UW players.

What this criticism is borne of (IMO) is yet another hangover from the Ty error. A number of people were critical of the Ty hire from the start (myself included), and the vindication of that stance has emboldened a number of posters to think that being overly skeptical and critical is the way to approach things. After all, if you’re a skeptic it’s a lot more enjoyable to be proven wrong than for an optimist to be proven wrong.

A lot of the skepticism about Sarkisian coaching in the Rose Bowl was due to the very slow start Ty had at the UW. And despite not having to coach in a bowl game, it took Ty forever to assemble his staff and he was very slow in getting UW recruiting efforts going once he got here.

But even though Sarkisian has proven he’s a vastly harder worker than Ty and has been much quicker in hiring coaches and getting UW recruiting going, many of the skeptics refuse to admit that they jumped the gun in their criticism of Sarkisian’s decision.

Bottom line – there were some things he could’ve been doing at the UW had he been devoted full-time to the job, but the difference was minor. There were positives he gained from coaching in the Rose Bowl, but those benefits are minor. Either way, he’s been working his tail off and has done a lot of good already for the UW, and as of yesterday evening, he’s now exclusively working for the UW.

by kirkd on Jan 2, 2009 1:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice post

I think the added publicity can only help. Especially all the pub he was getting in California. It might not make a huge impact this year, but I bet it will have more impact over the next 4 years.

I must admit, I am still a skeptic, I think Sark has done an A+ job so far. But I also believe the biggest key to success is developing talent. Can he develop talent??? Nobody knows. Sark has proven he is good with media, fans, and probably boosters. He still needs to prove that his success thus far, isn’t do to top notch talent at a top notch program.

I’m thrilled at all the excitement around the program, but the voice of reason in my head screams for caution and patience. I think a lot of fans/bloggers are getting way ahead of ourselves with high expectations.

"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 3, 2009 10:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dawgman

Things can get way carried away on dawgman and you are right on. Really, Sark had a spectacular game plan and it showed across the country. I think it helps the recruiting to be able to associate Sark with USC, plain and simple. It also shows some class to honor your comittments and be able to work so effectively with USC when they know you have moved to Washington.

by Fighting Husky on Jan 2, 2009 12:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Emotion

I think a lot of people react emotionally and like you said they DO NOT want to be proven wrong or will admit they’re wrong. It’s a symptom of our broken culture.

by doubledeucedawg on Jan 2, 2009 2:13 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

usc type talent

I think it’s safe to say Sark sees his biggest need as recruiting and this is last cance to be around usc type recruis even if he isn’t going after them. Did a pretty good job of shutting up his play calling critics I’d say also USC thougholy beat up a penn state team that should have been undefeated and gave up only 12 points a game

by kingwabbit on Jan 2, 2009 2:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

negative

I’m assuming you guys are talking about the negative postings on other sites. I don’t see any here. What possible negative came out of him kicking Penn States tail! The USC D was giving up 7.8 points a game so why wouldn’t sark be conservative this year score two td’s and win but he sure didn’t call conservatively against Penn State he tore them up and let USC D coast for once. He showed he adjusts to the opponent something Ty was clueless in doing

by kingwabbit on Jan 2, 2009 2:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DC

I was reading on the times that we are looking at Chuck Bullough I cant lie I don’t know anything about him but I really believed that the dc job at the UDUB was going to at least let us pick from a few coaches. I would think that at this point letting ED go was a bad choice the players where starting to get in position they just couldn’t tackle. I don’t think that was his fault I think that was ty not letting anybody hit anyone because that may help them learn how to play football.

by Go Dawgs on Jan 2, 2009 4:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry Go Dawgs- but when a program goes 0-12 you’ve got to clean house. The dead wood needed to be get out. It is a little tough to take that we still don’t have a DC yet as a fan. But we just got a glimpse of what is coming. I’m quite certain Duck, Beav, and Coug fans are out-of-this-world jeolous.

The national coaches confernce is coming up and many believe Sark is holding off on hiring a DC until then. Got to hand it to coach, he really put on a great show for us. Note to recruits everywhere: You’d better reconsider your commitments. Coach Sark is the real deal and he is going to transform the Washington program into something quite simular to SC’s. You can be apart of it and you have the opportunity on Feb. 4th!

Go Dawgs! WOOF!!!

by crazidawg on Jan 2, 2009 5:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IMO

I think there was a measure of risk in coaching in the Rose Bowl. (I’m surprised I’m typing this but) Crazidawg made a reasonable point in that anything short of a spectacular showing by the offense would have likely confirmed fears that Sark’s far from an offensive genius and might not be head coaching material. We all know how things turned out, and I’m thrilled because I thought the game plan was impeccable, but had Penn State’s secondary been a little better over the middle, or Mark Sanchez played more toward his in-season statistics (compiled mostly against teams worse than State College), then it’s possible the average Dawg Fan’s view of Sark might be fairly skeptical, not to mention the opinion of potential recruits.

Ultimately, I think it’s the right decision regardless. If he’s the coach we all want him to be, he’s got the opportunity to prove it on a very visible stage. If he’s hack who just says all the right things, then so be it, but it’s better to know sooner rather than later. Lastly, there are non-risk positives to coaching that game that have already been listed above, exposure to potential recruits during a dead period being the greatest benefit.

Also, as I’m sitting here watching Utah flat out embarrassing Nick Saban’s ‘Bama, I want to respond to Bob Condotta’s question about feeling Pac 10 pride— I do feel it. I was happy to see the Pac redeem itself against the Mountain West and against four different BCS conferences. I don’t really want conference rivalries, but w/ the SEC the way it is, there has to be.

Our leather lungs together...

by attakid117 on Jan 2, 2009 6:17 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I typically, with the acceptation of Oregon and WSU, cheer on PAC 10 teams in bowl games or any inter-conference games. It is just better for the conference as a whole, and, when UW finds it’s way again, helps our football program. Besides, I’m sick and tired of having the SEC thrown in our faces non-stop. When they start playing tough games out of conference during the regular season than maybe I’ll be less annoyed by the SEC. The PAC 10 sees itself as the best conference out west. To insure that, the PAC 10 should invite Utah and someone else, either BYU, Fresno State, or Boise State, and become the PAC 12. I know it’s a pipe dream, but it sure would cement the PAC 10’s dominance out west.

by astanfi on Jan 3, 2009 3:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TV Dollars

It is all about TV dollars and Utah simply doesn’t have the population to be attractive to the Pac Ten.

If we took in BYU and Utah the shares of revenue would go down for each Pac Ten member rather than increase.

The only reason to expand is to increase revenue.

by John Berkowitz on Jan 3, 2009 3:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's Be Champions- NOT

One thing that just bothered me about ousted coach Willingham? When the dude was hired here, the meat of his introduction was based on “let’s be champions”. But to this day I can’t recall Ty mentioning how we were going to achieve that. Four years later and fired, that speach still stinks. Why? Because he didn’t mention how we were going to achieve championship contention.

Now what I like about Steve Sarkisian? He has not to my recollection discussed anything remotely associated with “being a champion”. He’s mentioned having fun and bringing excitement back to the program. He’s mentioned going to work (coaches), hitting the road (recruiting), and hiring the best available coaching staff. Not once has he said let’s be champions. He knows that it will be a process to get there. He knows that you have to build upon successful seasons to get there.

Has he said all the right things? I think without a doubt and to me that is the making of the great coach. Ty just said “let’s be champions” but didn’t give us anything as to how we were going to get there. Looking back, I’ll bet Ty hated his job at Washington. It was not fun, nor exciting, it was dull, we lost huge. And what if a lot of his staff members are glad they were released from their duties? Having to grind thru all that misery, nowing that the team you’ve sent out onto the field has lost its heart and desire. Trying not to be so negative…

But WOW! Talk about a fresh face and saying all the right things. I can see this hire as a home run. Let’s hope because anymore seasons like we’ve just gone thru and our Washington Huskies might leave town like the SuperSonics!

by crazidawg on Jan 2, 2009 11:03 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s the Rose Bowl, of course Sark should coach in the game. If we were in the Rose Bowl and our OC got a head coaching gig somewhere else, we would want him to coach one last time in the Bowl. Beside, it was a recruiting dead period before and during the game, so I don’t see a problem with him being there. In fact, I think it helps. Many potential recruits say what the USC offense did and Sark’s smiling face on the sideline as it happen. Not all recruits can play at USC. Why not come to UW and play in that offensive.

by astanfi on Jan 3, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rose bowl

I thought it was great…

by caineman on Jan 3, 2009 3:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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