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Should Jake Locker play safety?

Jake Locker said on Saturday that the wanted to play another position while his thumb was healing. Tim Lappano said you have to ask the head man about that.

 

Ty Willingham said last night there are 6-7 other positions that Jake could possibly play on the team. Obviously any of those positions would have to take into account the injured thumb. So for example running back or wide receiver would be out.

I have seen many defensive backs over the years keep playing with broken fingers and thumbs so it is not out of the realm of possibility that we could see Jake after the bye week lining up at Safety. Johri Fogerson was able to do it after two weeks of practice so Jake really shouldn't have a problem doing it too

I guess it all comes down to what the hand surgeon saw yesterday when he operated. The official word was not good. The thumb was shattered and it means that it will up to eight weeks before Jake can return to QB. When he does return he is going to be pretty rusty and Ronnie Fouch on the other hand is going to be a more polished product.

Here are a few givens. Jake is a competitor and he wants to get back on the field to help his team. He is undeniably the best athlete and football player on his team. The hand will be wrapped up in a cast and padded so chances are about nil that he will re-injure it. Jake has the potential to be a Taylor Mays type safety.

The question is should the head coach allow it?

Jerry Brewer of the Seattle Times thinks Willingham should be fired immediately if he lets Locker back on the field at any position other than QB. Most of the media feel that it reeks of desperation to put him back out there at another position. As if 0-4 doesn't scream desperation anyway. The main reason they give is playing another position may risk further injury.

Tyrone is correct in stating that anytime you walk out on the football field no matter what position you are at you are risking injury. Just ask kicker Ryan Perkins whose career was torn apart by one of the worst knee injuries you will ever see in a spring football practice simply attempting a field goal. Injuries are just a part of football.

Quarterback's can't survive without their arms. A shoulder injury could theoretically be even worse than a broken thumb. A torn labrum or rotator cuff could even ruin a football career for a QB not to mention a promising baseball prospect. Since defensive backs do a lot of hitting, especially on this squad, a possible shoulder injury would be the main concern if you put Jake back int he role of the enforcer.

Bob Schloredt played both ways as a standout Husky QB in the early 1960's. The game was single platoon which meant the players started both ways. Bob was probably a better safety than he was a QB. Bob and Jake have a lot in common and I am surprised that it isn't brought up more in the conventional media. Perhaps it is because those guys aren't old enough or were not raised in the area.

I do know one thing and that Jake won't be playing against Arizona. He needs a little time to recover from the surgery. The bones need to start knitting a bit, the incision has to heal, and the swelling needs to go down. The bye week comes at a good time because he could be out on the field again when Oregon State rolls into town.I think it would be great if Jake could lay some licks on the guys that knocked him out of the game last year and put him in an ambulance,

In the end the hand surgeon will make the ultimate call on when Jake can come back. If he is deemed healthy enough to play another position to help the team Ty is going to let him do it. Don't confuse it at all with desperation though. I think Jake playing another position is not an act of desperation by a struggling coach. It is more a coaches sign of respect to the spirit of Jake Locker and the joy of playing the game rather than waiting till next season to start all over.

If Jake is healthy enough to play and he is one of the best athletes on the field he should be permitted to make his own decision. Jake after all isn't just a QB, he is a complete football player just like Bob Schloredt was fifty years ago. Special players have a hard time sitting on the bench when they know they can contribute to help their team win. Leave this one up to Jake.

 

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I like your take John

Another thing that I haven’t seen talked about is if Jake will ever be able to play QB again. A shattered thumb on your throwing had would seem to be a very significant injury for a QB. With all the atrophy that will hapen to muscles in that hand from non use. It may take a year or two or longer before that is 100% again. Meanwhile he has only 2.5 years of eligability left. I wonder, when all is said and done ,if a perminant switch to safety might be best for him and his future NFL potential.

by Snostrebla on Sep 30, 2008 9:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Please Don't Play Him While He's Hurt

If you ask any football player they will tell you they want to play (Locker, Dennis Dixon on a torn up knee, shawn merriman). If you ask them they will put their emotions into it instead of thinking logically.

It is up to coach to think not only what is best for the program but for the kid. He needs to look at the issue and make a decision without emotions playing apart of the decision.

You look at Dennis Dixon and what happened last year and his football career could have been completely over. Thank goodness it’s not and he was drafted by the Steelers, but what would have happened if he was done?

The parents trust the coaches to watch over the kids and make the best decision for the kids if Ty allows him to play then and he 1) injures the thumb worse or 2) injures another part of the body because the offensive players are shooting for him, Ty’s credibility with the parents takes a serious shot and he can kiss his post UW coaching career goodbye.

by john_s on Sep 30, 2008 9:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Perspective

You can write this from either perspective and it is still interesting as hell.

I would have been easier to just say Willingham is out of his mind for even considering it.

I think you can make a case either way.

by John Berkowitz on Sep 30, 2008 9:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What good could come of this

Ty’s job is already gone. The team is 0-4 and things won’t get better. Jake Locker on defense will not turn this ship around. There are a lot of great offensive athletes in college football – that doesn’t mean they will be great defensive players. The Taylor Mays statement is bold – but we need a lot more than a possible poor man’s Taylor Mays. He needs to heal his body completely and go from there. I would understand better if this team had a real shot at a major postseason bowl. But to risk another injury in a position that he is unfamiliar with would be as dumb as the husky playcalling.

by blackdawg80 on Sep 30, 2008 10:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd move him if he wanted to

Provided the doctors say he can wear a cast that effectively minimizes the risk of re-injury. Defensive players play with casts all the time; about half the Seahawks defense does.

Looking at a six-to-eight week timetable, he’s going to be back for what, the last one or two games? His throwing mechanics will most likely be very rusty, so what are you going to do, just use him to hand off?

I can see the benefit of getting Jake back under center for a couple of meaningless games, if for no other reason than to give him some confidence and momentum going into next season, but you can do that regardless of whether he’s playing in the meantime. Every player takes an injury risk by being out there, and in this case the worst-case scenario (that I’m willing to legitimately consider) is that he suffers some kind of injury that prevents him from playing those last one or two meaningless games.

The upside is much greater. The Huskies are desperately thin at safety already. The Huskies lack playmakers on defense. Warranted or not, there are increasingly more voices hinting that Jake’s NFL future may be at safety. If he wants to, and the medical staff clears it, why not?

(There are scenarios under which you might abandon the experiment, such as Fouch getting hurt, in which case you might want to get Jake solely focused on QB as soon as possible.)

That’s my take, anyway. Let Jake play some safety after the bye week, then re-evaluate things later in the season as his thumb is healing, you know how Ronnie Fouch is doing, etc. Temporarily moving the team’s unquestioned, inspirational leader to the defensive side of the ball would have a positive, cascading effect. At the very least, it couldn’t possibly make them worse.

by busplunger on Sep 30, 2008 11:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NO!!!

NO!!! This is ludacris. Where are the adults when it comes to this kid throwing away any future at QB. He is a kid who wants to play, when do cooler heads prevail? Stop this now because there should be no reason that he gets on the field until he is healed.

by bigdave967 on Sep 30, 2008 12:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If you can explain why...

…five games at safety — when he can’t be playing QB anyway — is “throwing away any future”, then I will gladly listen and possibly change my mind.

by busplunger on Sep 30, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well lets see...

He had a bum hamstring to start the year, missing 2 weeks of training camp, and now has a broken thumb. Last year he was out because of a major hit by OSU. This kid gets hurt…alot. Why risk a more serious injury on him playing safety during a bunch of meaningless games. And who is to say he would be the savior on defense. Hasn’t played the position since 2005 (?) and doesnt even know the defense. The fact that this is catching so much wind in its sails if ridiculous. He should take himself and his broken thumb, sit down behind a projector, and learn how to throw a touch pass. This isn’t baseball were you need to rifle the ball every throw. Work on mechanics and learn how to be a better QB, not a second rate Safety.

by bigdave967 on Oct 1, 2008 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see how playing safety now and then...

…is any more of an injury risk than playing QB, considering how often Jake runs and collides with people. I guess not everyone has to agree with that premise, but to me, sitting him because he’s an injury risk is like saying that you’re going to protect his health and his future by refusing to call any plays where he might have to run with the ball because there’s a risk of Jake getting hit and injured. At some point, you just gotta let him do what he does best.

Sure, he might be too rusty to play safety, or just not as good as the guys who are starting, in which case you scrap the experiment. But it’s all hypothetical until you let him line up and give it a go. Quite a few premier football schools (i.e. Texas) wanted him to play safety; I honestly can’t imagine he wouldn’t be an upgrade somewhere. The status quo on defense is pretty sad.

And then… what? He should somehow improve his passing mechanics by watching film? While completely unable to so much as grip a football in his right hand? The feasibility of this plan escapes me. I mean, I could go home and sit on my couch and watch all the Pistol Pete tapes nine times, but I don’t think I’m going to become a better point guard until I get in the gym and dribble a basketball.

by busplunger on Oct 1, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

if he plays safety he is placing unnecessary risk on himself for further injury. Safety is s position were you have to be nasty and hit and make people regret catching the ball. How is an injured QB going to bring that mentality to the game? You also mentioned letting him do what he does best…which in my eyes is play QB. So heal up and play QB. When was the last time a sane coach let an injured QB play another position, especially on Def?

If you have played a sport in high school or college I am sure you would agree that watching film was vital to your success as a player. If you didnt play, well then i am telling you now…its vital. Why do you think coaches put so much importance on it??? Watch past games and see where you can improve. Sit with the OC and talk about what went wrong and mentally prepare yourself for the task at hand.

I will say this, if you watch pistol pete tapes 9 times and do not walk away more knowledgeable and a better point guard because of it, then you should pick up a tuba because atheletics arent for you.

by bigdave967 on Oct 1, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you hit...

…the best counter-point, which is that time away from the field could be better spent studying the offense, thinking about offense, helping Ronnie with the offense, etc.

Of course film study is beneficial; I was only responding to your apparent point that watching tape could help Jake “learn how to throw a touch pass”. Also, I don’t want to ride the Pistol Pete anology into the ground, but the tapes are demonstrations of ball-handling exercises; they really won’t help your game unless you grab a ball and follow along. Watching game film of a great point guard would obviously be different, but that’s not what I was trying to say.

I have no idea of the last time that a sane coach let an injured QB play another position, because I can’t think of a parallel situation where it was even possible to do so. You’d need an athletic QB capable of playing elsewhere that suffered an injury which only affected his ability to throw; basically, a finger or hand injury. I’m guessing there aren’t many precedents for this.

Finally, I think there could be at least some benefit to Jake’s offensive game by lining up on defense for a few weeks. It’s like the great Caddyshack quote that John just posted: “In order to conquer the animal, I have to learn to think like an animal. And, whenever possible, to look like one.” Maybe by learning to think like a safety… oh, I don’t know. :-)

by busplunger on Oct 2, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you ever thought ...

about the chance that he may never be able to play QB again after this injury? He shattered his thumb on his throwing hand. I don’t believe that thumb is going to be 100% for a long time if ever.

by Snostrebla on Oct 2, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grinch

You’re like the Grinch Who Stole Christmas…except you are stealing my hopes and dreams. Stop with the Negative Nancy comments. I actually just shed a tear thinking abou it…

by bigdave967 on Oct 2, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll be fine

It sounds like it’s the lower part, that attaches it to the hand. Obviously it matters; he couldn’t throw with any accuracy after he broke it. But most of the “touch” comes from the tips of the fingers, so as long as he gets most of his strength back and most of his range-of-motion back, there’s no reason why he shouldn’t be good-as-new by spring at the very worst case.

Seriously, no reason to panic.

by busplunger on Oct 2, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

Wasn’t it Kurt Warner who had a hurt thumb on his throwing hand for about two years where he couldn’t control the ball in his hand well and went from being the best QB in the NFL to one of the worst? Mind you, his thumb was only hurt NOT previously SHATTERED. Time will tell but for a QB with control issues to begin with ths may end up being the death nail in his future at QB.

by Snostrebla on Oct 3, 2008 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Counter-example

Brett Favre played most of a season with a fractured, swollen thumb. And doesn’t seem to have suffered any long-term effects to his accuracy. Granted, these are all obviously different injuries, but the point is that a thumb problem is not usually a career-killer. If anything, trying to play with a hurt thumb might actually be worse than just putting a cast on it and waiting for it to heal.

My guess is that Jake’s accuracy will be a little shaky when he comes back, but that he’ll be 100% by spring or summer.

by busplunger on Oct 3, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Based on listening to both Jake and Ty the last couple of days it looks like he will play some where once the hand is sorted out. I think it will be two weeks until he can return to practice.

by John Berkowitz on Oct 1, 2008 4:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats the problem

Ty knows he is gone so what does he care and Locker is a kid…of course he wants to play. Ty should step up and let him know that this just ain’t gonna happen. It doesn’t make sense. Am I the only one who see’s this as the worst case senerio??

by bigdave967 on Oct 2, 2008 5:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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