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The Monday Morning Wash

Lets start Monday with a pep talk.

 

Husky fans need to remember that we were playing Oklahoma on Saturday and not Iowa State. Oklahoma and USC are probably the two best teams in college football right now. I think what USC did to Ohio State could be duplicated by both teams against all the other teams in the top ten.

I think there is a very good chance that the Sooners and the Trojans will be playing for the BCS championship in January. The Huskies may be 0-3 but the three teams that beat them are likely participants in BCS bowls over the Holidays.

Nobody ever gave UW much of a chance heading into the season against Oklahoma, and Oregon playing all that youth. The controversial one point loss to a BYU team that went out and thrashed UCLA 59-0 is unfortunate, but this team can rebound.

Husky fans may not be patient with Tyrone Willingham but they need to be patient with the team because they only have an average of 2.12 years of experience across the board. They have started seven different freshman, and a record ten have played already this season. The tough lessons learned over the past three weeks will pay dividends in the future. The real question is whether Willingham will be around to see that future.

UW is headed into a four game stretch of winnable games against Stanford, Arizona, Oregon State, and Notre Dame. These are all games that Willingham and his team have to win if he harbors any hopes of returning for a fifth season.

This well planned bye week is incredibly important because it allows the team a week to heal up and emotionally rebuild for the most important stretch of the season, and probably Willingham's career.

Willingham needs to rebuild his team emotionally so they keep playing for him. During his tenure I haven't seen the team quit on him. Every week they return and take another shot at getting it turned around. He desperately needs this team to show up against Stanford and get the first win of the year. That would remove a very big monkey off Ty's back. If he loses against Stanford early resignation becomes a very realistic option.

If the Huskies can beat Stanford they are going to have a little momentum going forward when they travel to Arizona. The Wildcats fell to New Mexico again on Saturday and the drum beats are starting again for Mike Stoops head in Tucson. Washington can beat Arizona if they can play a little pass defense. i know that is a big if, but the Arizona defense is on a par with UW's right now.

The Huskies get Oregon State next. Riley's Beavers have been mediocre this year. They did beat on Hawaii yesterday, but this years edition of the Warriors aren't very good at all. Washington should expect to win a game like this at home even theough the Beavers should improve each week.

At the end of the home stand Notre Dame comes in to Husky Stadium for the big rematch between Weis, and Willingham. I saw the Irish struggle with San Diego State at home for a win. Last week they took apart Michigan which is struggling to learn a new system. I don't have a good read on the Irish yet, but Washington should be very competitive with them.

If Ty gets those four wins he is 4-3 heading into the Coliseum to play the nations #1 team USC. UW for some reason always plays a great game against USC. I dont' think this years game will be close but Ty could be 4-4 headed into the final stretch against Arizona State, UCLA, WSU, and California who each lost ugly this weekend. UW should be able to find the two wins they needs against that final four.

The season is far from over for Washington. There is plenty of football left to be played, and if Ty can rally the troops this week a young, but talented Washington team could rally to make the season interesting not to mention save the job of its embattled head coach.

Pac Ten Power Ratings

1. USC...The Trojans proved they deserved the #1 position after thrashing Ohio State on national television. Oregon is probably the only team that can keep up with them right now, and that is very debatable.

2. Oregon...The Ducks weren't that impressive in the first half against Purdue but they rallied behind a strong running game to edge them in over time. It isn't easy playing on the road against Joe Tiller. I give the Duckies a mulligan.

3. Arizona State...I don't think anyone saw this one coming. How do the Sun Devils lose at home to UNLV? This loss drops the Devils out of serious BCS contention.

4. California....The Bears had no business losing to Maryland but started slow on the road and didn't finish in time despite rallying. Cal had to travel a long way to get there and maybe that was a factor.

5. Oregon State...There is nothing like taking apart a rebuilding Hawaii team at home to help get your confidence back. Riley's teams always finish strong.

6. Washington...How do the Huskies climb up one rung after one of the worst losses in school history?  I think they can beat the four teams ranked below them and perhaps the two teams ahead of them.

7. Arizona...Losing to New Mexico is no way to get to a bowl game. Stoops had to beat all three patsies but this loss will hurt in December.

8. Stanford...TCU was simply a better team but the Cardinal is on the right track.

9. UCLA...I don't care if you beat Tennessee, if you lose 59-0 to Brigham Young after UW lost to them 28-27 you fall in this poll like a rock.

10. Washington State...You usually circle Baylor as a win but the Bears are on the rebound with a phenom QB. The Cougars may not win one this year unless Idaho is on the schedule.

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Stanford game

I watched the big back for Stanford run over the Beavers in their season opener, the Beavers play better D than the Huskies, it’s going to be a long night in Husky Stadium. Should this game come down to coaching…the Dawgs lose

by T9ODawg on Sep 15, 2008 6:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good

Everyone get off the bandwagon.. gives me & Berkowitz more legroom and we don’t have to sit right next to each other.

We will be 4-3, and I don’t really wanna let people back on at that point.

by ArthurVandeley on Sep 15, 2008 9:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bandwagon

Yep, after 58 years of following the Huskies I’m a bandwaggoner.

I also realize Ty is not a good FB coach. He might be a great man but not a great coach. Like John pointed out, Ty’s first two recruiting years are exactly why he’s in the predicament he’s in now.

Don James on FSN the other night said Ty should be playing juniors and seniors right now not true frosh…well the fact he doesn’t have the upper classmen is all on Ty

by T9ODawg on Sep 15, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

on what basis did he have to recruit?

Washington had just gone 1-10. There coaching had been horrible. When Washington had a decent coach (Neuheisel) the AD shit-canned him because he had a small neighborhood pool on the ncaa basketball tournament, and he had even gotten permission to play in that pool. At that point Washington had nothing to recruit with, Ty needed to build a base for recruiting to recruit and now that he has he is recruiting a little bit.

So my point is, yes he didn’t recruit well for the first two years, but he is getting it together now, so should UW fire him for not recruiting well two years ago when he first got here?

I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
~Fred Allen

by Hook'em13 on Sep 15, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neither of those two classes

were rated very highly, but Ty didn’t have much luck, either.

The 2005 class was small (13 commits), probably because of the coaching change. It would’ve looked pretty good if J.R. and E.J. would’ve panned out as expected, but you still have Daniel Te’o-Nesheim and Ben Ossai as third-year contributors at key positions. Marlon Wood and Johnny DuRocher used up their eligibility, and Ryan Perkins (a Gilby commit, I think) would probably be better if he hadn’t shredded his knee. Considering the coaching change, I actually don’t think this class was horrible. I’m not sure it was possible to predict that J.R. and E.J. would be more trouble than they were worth; plenty of other schools (Cal, Oregon, etc.) were offering those guys, too.

The 2006 class is where I think Ty should be judged a little harsher. I counted 22 commitments, and while there are some solid players in there (the departed Marcel Reece, Ryan Tolar, Cody Habben, D’Andre Goodwin, Paul Homer, Donald Butler, Jason Wells… oh yeah, and that Jake Locker kid looks okay), there are way too many that never made it in or dropped out quickly. The other disappointing thing is that two of the highest-rated commits (Cameron Elisara, De’Shon Matthews) haven’t been able to do much to bolster a seemingly poor defensive line. Perhaps they still need a little more development time; it’s worth remembering that this class is still only redshirt sophomores or true juniors.

So where are all the fifth-year seniors, then? I suggest you don’t go look at Gilby’s 2004 class; it’s pretty ugly. Other than the two starting guards and Mesphin Forrester, there’s almost nobody useful left. Although, to be fair, (JC) Dashon Goldson had a pretty nice career, and Matt Tuiasosopo is finally turning into a prospect.

by busplunger on Sep 15, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Basis

Ty should be fired for ignoring Husky tradition, alienating boosters and fans.

Ty took a long time to get started recruiting when he hired on and even longer to complete his staff. Who knows which or how many recruits were lost because they had no clue as to who their position coach would be?

When Jake wasn’t upset about losing to OREGON…we have a problem, Jake is laughing and joking on the sidelines in the 4th quarter the other night while they are getting thumped…we have a problem with the mindset of this team. That is all on Tyrone.

by T9ODawg on Sep 15, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grumpy

The bandwagon is where people who believe in this team reside. I didn’t call you one, cuz you’ve given up.

But I know if we win 4 in a row, you’ll be asking for a seat.

by ArthurVandeley on Sep 15, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Realistic

I’ll still be in my seat on the southside if we win or lose the next 4. Ty still needs to go.

by T9ODawg on Sep 15, 2008 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still on the bandwagon...

I’m determined not to let the results of games in which UW is 2-TD-plus underdogs bias my outlook on the rest of the season. Stealing a win against BYU would’ve been great, but that’s a great team, too.

I wish the program was in better shape this year but the fact is that it’s not. The talent is young, so there’s hope.

The preseason was ugly but it’s over. Let the real season begin.

by busplunger on Sep 15, 2008 9:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Mantra

I think UW has a chance to win the next four games.

I think all four games will come down to the 4th quarter.

I think T-90 raises a valid point about close games and coaching.

I think in reality they will be lucky to split.

by John Berkowitz on Sep 15, 2008 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tyrone

Part of me is saying give the guy one-two more years, and the other half is saying fire his ass right now. I want to give him more time because he has a very young team and very tough schedule but i want to fire him because he always seems to screw up the fourth quarter. All in all the smart thing to do would be to give him another year (especially since there are no guarantees that you get a better coach if you fire ty).

I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
~Fred Allen

by Hook'em13 on Sep 15, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The happy medium?

I don’t think a firing this early in the season is going to solve anything and a contract extension obviously won’t happen with an 0-3 record.

I know most fans want to see something/anything done right now because losing stinks, but I think the prudent move is to let the season play out. After this three-game stretch, the coaches (and players) deserve the chance to rebound, regardless of how much confidence any of us has that they are actually capable of doing so. If the losing continues against lesser-quality opponents, then you can easily dump the coach toward the end of the season; if the season is already shot, then nobody cares if an interim coach loses to Cal.

by busplunger on Sep 15, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

mis understood

I don’t want him fired now. I am a Willingham supporter (for the most part), and i do think that he deserves to finish this season out at the very least. my question was should Washigton give him a year or two longer to develop his talent that he has brought in or give him the axe at the end of the year?

As for John B., he inherited a team that went 1-10 the previous year. Even great coaches need time to turn around a program. I’m not saying Ty is a great coach, but the huskies could be stuck with someone much worse if they fire him prematurely.

I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
~Fred Allen

by Hook'em13 on Sep 15, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't necessarily arguing with your post...

Just commenting on the general idea that I understand how a lot of people feel like he should be canned right this second.

I think I’m with you in the sense that I value continuity more than the average quick-trigger fan. I’m not sure if Ty is the guy to get the Huskies back to a perennial Rose Bowl contender, but I don’t think that means you have to fire him on the spot. I don’t want to see a revolving door of coaches every three years while we wait for lightning in a bottle.

As much as it stinks that our program — one with a long tradition of excellence — has fallen on hard times, there’s no coach on the planet that can come in and retroactively win more games over the last five seasons. We are where we are. As such, I think the patient approach could pay off, where we get this thing back into a position where we’re at least going to a bowl game every year instead of finishing at the back of the Pac.

All that being said, I’m speaking more to the patient approach than to Ty’s coaching abilities specifically. If he’s not capable of even getting to .500 in today’s college football landscape, then that’s a major problem. His team is young, obviously, but in Year 4 you just can’t pin that on anybody else. As John mentions below, his recruiting shortcomings in the first two years will probably turn out to be his fatal mistake.

Bottom line, I hope they reel off a nice winning streak (4 would be great) so we can think positive for a few weeks instead of reading “OMG fire Ty now” every time an opponent completes a forward pass. My opinion is that it’s best for the long-term health of the program if Coach Willingham wins enough this year to stay on board for at least a couple more years.

by busplunger on Sep 15, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hook em

He had four years, the reason he is having problems is he had trouble recruiting the first two. I don’t see much that is going to change long term with him at the helm.

by John Berkowitz on Sep 15, 2008 1:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hire a new coach the first week of December and everything comes together. Hire a coach in January and you whistle good bye to this years recruiting season.

by John Berkowitz on Sep 15, 2008 1:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The interesting dilemma this could create:

What if the Huskies come out of the Apple Cup with a 5-6 record, needing a win against Cal to clinch a bowl appearance?

It would be hard to fire the coach at that point, but if he doesn’t pull off the win against Cal, then you’re essentially behind in looking for a new coach.

I think everything hinges on the record at the Apple Cup. If they lose to WSU, Ty probably gets fired during the post-game press conference. With six wins and a bowl game on the way, he probably stays. If they win the Cup but they’ve already clinched a losing season, he’s probably gone, too, so they can find a new coach by early December, like you said.

by busplunger on Sep 15, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A little pet peeve...

I’ve heard plenty of comments from other places (not here) that getting blown out by Oklahoma is somehow the final straw. Look, blowouts happen in college football. UCLA got destroyed by BYU. Ohio State was completely overmatched by USC. College football is fun and unpredictable and sometimes the better team runs the lesser team right out of the stadium.

No matter how poorly the Huskies looked against Oklahoma, it counts as one non-conference loss. That’s it. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything going into a conference game in two weeks.

by busplunger on Sep 15, 2008 1:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I never throught we could beat Oregon or Oklahoma. I also thought we had a good chance of getting blown away which did happen. Losing to Oklahoma isn’t the last straw, losing to Stanford in two weeks would be.

by John Berkowitz on Sep 15, 2008 1:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Right, you're more level-headed than many (most) fans

Which is why I enjoy reading your perspectives.

Anyway, it seems like every game the last two or three years has been a “must-win” for Coach Willingham. But facing Stanford after a bye week has to be pretty close to the top of the list…

A blowout win would make me feel a whole lot better. Any win will work, though. A loss would be devastating, obviously.

by busplunger on Sep 15, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing

that i have noticed about Washington is that they can seem to hang around superior talent, (last year with USC, Oregon, Ohio State for the first half, Hawaii) but with lesser talent, arizona, Wazzu they seem to lose. And Ty has had some trouble with half-time adjustments.

I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
~Fred Allen

by Hook'em13 on Sep 15, 2008 2:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2 Things I wanna see...

1. Stop the run to the right where the left gaurd pulls and the slowest developing play in the world always gets 7 yards. I dunno if it’s called a stretch or a sweep or a student body right or what, but it should just be called “the play UW hasn’t stopped for 5 years”.

2. Score on our first posession.

by ArthurVandeley on Sep 15, 2008 2:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

First Post Here, But I've Had an SB Nation Account For a Bit

Washington State may very well win just 1 game this season….and it won’t be the Apple Cup. I mean, they are so inept offensively and they’re just plain bad on defense.

Tyrone Willingham should be fired. I don’t understand the supporters wanting to keep him. He’s the Marvin Lewis of college football, great defensive mind, but the team has had ZERO defense to speak of since he’s been here. I know that’s the defensive coordinator’s job to work with them, but Willingham is HEAD COACH.

You cannot have an offense that is centered around Jake Locker, and Willingham in 2 seasons hasn’t figured that out. How long has he been here, 4 years? This is probably the worst stretch in the history of Husky football, get him off the program.

Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.

by SSreporters on Sep 15, 2008 5:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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