Some More on Mora
by John Berkowitz
on Dec 3, 2008 2:52 PM PST
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A lot of fans on the Dawgman boards are upset at the Seahawks because they are under the incorrect illusion that they wouldn't let Mora off the hook to become head coach at the University of Washington.
My main source who has been correct about this the whole time says that is not the case. He always maintained Mora was not coming and that all the rumors were just that rumors that grew in the telling.
The point is Mora never really was tempted even though he was flattered to the point of distraction. He was pursued but when push came to shove nothing really changed. Mora was set on honoring his word to coach the Seahawks.
What it really came down to is Mora is a man of his word and he didn't feel the Husky job was a better choice for himself or his family over the long term than the Seahawk position.
Mike Leach
Dan Patrick mentioned on his show that Mike Leach is flying back to Seattle for a second round of interviews. If that is the case UW needs to offer him if they think he is the man because Auburn fired Tuberville today and Leach is at the top of their list of prospective coaches.
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Leach
I get more excited the more I think about Leach coaching the Huskies. If he is indeed coming back for a second interview they MUST offer him the job! They want a big splash, HE IS IT!!!!
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
by Lear Pilot on
Dec 3, 2008 3:01 PM PST
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crazy, but...
i think the PAC10 could use a nutjob like Leach to liven things up a bit. i agree…if he’s back to SEA again, let him take the bloody job!
by mcgohuskies on
Dec 3, 2008 3:16 PM PST
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Mike Leach
wears panties.
Signed,
Longhorns fan.
by saveadre on
Dec 3, 2008 3:23 PM PST
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so do you....
a: he beat you this year. b: he likes pirates. just like a star-wars geek. this would topple UW conventional wisdom, but i like it.
by mcgohuskies on
Dec 3, 2008 4:36 PM PST
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Mike Leach wears panties...
While he disciplines the longhorns! OOh kinky!
Go Tech!!!
by jwhitettu on
Dec 4, 2008 6:04 AM PST
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Granny panties at that.
Unlike Mack Brown of course, who wears his big boy briefs. ;-)
by saveadre on
Dec 4, 2008 10:12 AM PST
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his word and a 40% better salary.
… and the whole argument that his “job security would be better at UW” would need to be modified to say that his “job security MAY be better at UW”. I’m of the opinion that there is no such thing as job security at all in the ranks of professional head coaching.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on
Dec 3, 2008 3:28 PM PST
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Let’s say Mora were to start off with losing records in each of his first two seasons – in which case would he be in greater danger of losing his job: with the Seahawks, or with the Huskies?
I don’t think there’s any question he’d be on a much hotter seat with the Seahawks in that scenario…
by kirkd on
Dec 3, 2008 3:57 PM PST
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basic math.
If you discount for the time value of money, Mora would basically have to work 5 years at UW to make as much as he would in two years with Seattle. So, your question is not right. The right question would be is he more likely to be in trouble two years from now with Seattle or 5 years from now with UW.
To take this further, if he has even a little success with Seattle – say four seasons – he’d have to get between nine and ten seasons at UW (discounted calculation) to see the two jobs as “equal”… and this assumes that he doesn’t get any kind of raise at either job. If he thought he could work six seasons with Seattle – there is no scenario where UW could return as much in income. So, if he feels that he has it in him to get to six seasons with Seattle, he’d have to REALLY want to work at UW in order to justify walking away from the Hawks.
Most people would not take the risk that you are suggesting he ought to consider.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on
Dec 3, 2008 4:20 PM PST
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umm...
What salary figures are you assuming here? Speculation has been that his Seahawks deal is $4M per, and that the UW would probably go up to $3M per to get Mora. If that’s the case, your math doesn’t work. In order for your math to work, you’d have to assume the UW offered Mora only 40% of what he’s going to get from the Seahawks.
If that’s actually what happened, then of course Mora would turn it down. I doubt the UW was dumb enough to lowball him that much.
by kirkd on
Dec 3, 2008 5:09 PM PST
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Actually, your facts are wrong ...again
Mora’s contract averages $5 mil / year (link to http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3674021 for a reference).
Even if UW reaches to $3 mil (possible but very high), it’s still a pay cut of the 40% magnitude. On top of that, there is this little thing called the time value of money. It basically says that a dollar today is worth more than a dollar a year from now. Perhaps you’ve heard of the financial crisis … they are related. Any-hooo, when discounted at what are becoming increasingly high rates of interest, my math holds up very well, if not conservative.
You are probably still saying “ummmm” – I’m not surprised.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on
Dec 3, 2008 9:12 PM PST
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History?
Do you two have some or what?
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 9:50 PM PST
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no just having a little fun
internet-based anonymity is a powerful enabler. But it is the holidays and I wish everyone nothing but peace, prosperity and nice Christmas bonus.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on
Dec 4, 2008 7:37 AM PST
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Your condescension is highly appreciated. I guess it must be painful for you when I repeatedly point out your errors. And it should be noted that it’s not a “fact” that Mora is getting $5M per (or “almost” $5M per as the linked article states) – it’s speculation. Other speculation has his contract at closer to $4M per. You’ll have to do better than that link to claim you have proven my assumption of $4M per wrong.
I get inflation and the value of money now. But you’re going off on a tangent that isn’t significantly important in this hypothetical. What’s more important is how much money in each contract offer would be guaranteed, and how much of a penalty would be paid out in each for early termination. Also important is considering probability of staying employed in his current position, and what the difference in income would be down the road in the case of diverging career path. If Mora were to be fired by the Seahawks, he’d be quite unlikely to get another job as a head coach in the NFL. The list of guys hired after 2 previous firings is not a long one, and if Mora were fired after another short tenure of 3 or fewer years, his chances of getting another shot as a head coach in the NFL plummet close to zero. It would also lower his appeal as a college head coach, and thus lower the amount of money he would likely be offered to be a head coach at that level (if offered at all). And while coordinators in the NFL can make good money (and coordinator is probably the best Mora would be able to do at the NFL level if he were a two-times fired NFL head coach), they typically don’t make much more than about $1.5M per.
If Mora is more likely to be given time by the Huskies to weather a rough start to his career, you have to factor in the long-term financial implications. Assuming that in both jobs, Mora would face a tough start to his tenure before finding consistent success, my contention is there’s a higher chance that he gets fired by the Seahawks during that tough start than he would by the UW. If Mora has a higher chance of settling into a long career as a head coach at the UW than with Seattle, then you have to compare his likely salary post Seahawks firing. And while that possible $5M per from the Seahawks is obviously better than a possible $3M per from the Huskies, long-term that $3M per from the Huskies is obviously better than the $1M or $1.5M he could get as an NFL coordinator.
Finally, my contention was never that the Huskies job would pay more long-term than the Seahawks job, it was that the higher potential for him to get fired early from the Seahawks job lessened the difference between the two annual pay rates.
by kirkd on
Dec 3, 2008 10:13 PM PST
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Auburn
Auburn fired Tubberville today and Leach is also their leading candidate (and expressed interest in that gig), along with Bobby Petrino. Doesn’t suck to be Mike Leach this week.
by Tech92 on
Dec 3, 2008 3:36 PM PST
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Hire Leach now!
Man UW needs to get on the stick before all these good coaches are gone, Leach brings a whole new state of recruiting, plus Heaps> Do it know !
by orcoastdawg on
Dec 3, 2008 3:37 PM PST
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#1 Candidate
A proven college head coach and proven winner – he is #1 candidate. Emmert and Woodward are doing great so far. With the finish line in site, hope they can seal the deal. Sorry Tech fans but this guy deserves a big change of scenery.
by dwgbrth on
Dec 3, 2008 3:41 PM PST
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did i read that right?
is that “some more on Mora,” or is it “some moron Mora?”….just kidding. i’d rather have a bonafide college winner come in here v. an emotionally connected NFL’er. just an opinion.
by mcgohuskies on
Dec 3, 2008 4:34 PM PST
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Has anyone confirmed that...
Leach is indeed on his way here for a second time?
by Snostrebla on
Dec 3, 2008 5:43 PM PST
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ESPN seems to think so
and I hope they are right
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
by Lear Pilot on
Dec 3, 2008 6:17 PM PST
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Other than a...
random comment made by Dan Patrick I don’t see it anywhere else. I’m not sure why Dan would know that but no one else would.
by Snostrebla on
Dec 3, 2008 6:27 PM PST
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SIGN HIM!!!!
Stop holding your pudge and make the move. Its time for UW to step up to the plate and get this done before Auburn steals him away..
by bigdave967 on
Dec 3, 2008 6:29 PM PST
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Bidding war with Auburn?
If that transpires then what? Do we sign Petersen or Whittingham on the back end? Those people down south are NUTS about their football, if that plays out we may be better off just trying to get one of the three top candidates.
Hopefully it helps that we started pursuing him earlier, sans Notre Dame/Florida a few years ago. Plus the guy is from the west coast, if he’s quirky, he’ll fit better in Seattle.
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 6:59 PM PST
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I think one of the reasons he is considering UW
is because he wants to get out of the south.. I doubt he will want to move somewhere deeper into the south….
45-35
by Hook'em13 on
Dec 3, 2008 7:15 PM PST
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Hmmm
Hope you’re right. What’s your impression of Leach Hook’em13? After all you know him WAY better than we do
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 8:40 PM PST
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He is a fun coach
obviously a little weird..
Great offensive mind
good recruiter for what he has to work with
he sticks up for his team
and seems to give everyone trouble every year.
45-35
by Hook'em13 on
Dec 4, 2008 11:56 AM PST
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…and he’s withdrawn his name from consideration at UW…
by Tech92 on
Dec 4, 2008 12:34 PM PST
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Decision Timetable
Any of you guys/gals have an idea of when a decision will be announced? Gosh! This is killing me!
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 9:40 PM PST
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Tommy Tubberville just got fired
Does that make him a candidate at UW? I know he’s never left the South, but maybe his ouster from Auburn makes him crave a change of scenery. I wouldn’t expect him to stick around longer than Dennis Erickson typically does, but he knows how to win and should restock the cupboards w/ talent. Phil Fullmer too for that matter
Our leather lungs together...
by attakid117 on
Dec 3, 2008 9:40 PM PST
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Molly Yanity Blog stuff
Interestingly, a reporter that covers Texas Tech football also told me this is the first time Leach has gone “completely silent.” The reporter wrote in an email to me, “Even during the Miami flirtation in 2006 he would call us back with comments, etc.”
A source in Texas has also told me if Washington athletic director Scott Woodward offers Leach the job, Leach will accept it. However, that source admittedly has had not spoken with Leach since the initial interview earlier this week.
- It appears Utah defensive coordinator Gary Andersen will be named
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 9:55 PM PST
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Who are you???
and how do you have Texas Tech reporter on email?!?! Are you a spy!!!!! (kidding…unless you really are)
I think its great that you are giving us the inside scoop. Keep it coming!
by bigdave967 on
Dec 4, 2008 5:39 AM PST
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I think he’s just cutting a pasting what was posted in Yanity’s blog.
by kirkd on
Dec 4, 2008 10:56 AM PST
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Hill is almost OUT?...Condotta's Blog
Another rumor making the rounds - which I heard from one source, as well - is that Pat Hill wants to know by tomorrow whether he is the guy. Hill’s Fresno State team is due to begin practice for its bowl game tomorrow and the thought is Hill wants to know whether he is FSU’s coach or UW’s coach by the time that practice begins.
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 10:01 PM PST
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Leach for Money
His wife is going to help him make the decision for her quircky coach husband. Nancy made decisions for Ronald by going to an astrologer. Huskyslut also found it interesting that Tyrone at the last minute blew off his appointment with the press at the last today because “something came up.” Not a bad thing I guess?
I also thought it was interesting when he was asked this week about his last win 13 games ago, He said “that Jake Locker had a good game.” He must have forgotten that Locker was injured in the OSU game the week before and didn’t play that day. Wow!!!!! Maybe he can remember golf better than football. That sums it up folks….He was burned out before he ever got to Washington. the good interview that said all the right things and when it came time to do what he was paid for, it was exposed as a mirage. Whe Todd Turner wakes up this morning I hope he looks in the mirror and sees Tyrone.
by huskyslut on
Dec 3, 2008 10:28 PM PST
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