Mora Not Coming to UW
I just heard form a very good source that Jim Mora is completely out of the running and that was seconded by Hugh Millen a little while later on KJR. This comes from a very good source close to Scott Woodward that I have shared with you in the past that has always maintained that Mora was staying with the Seahawks and that anything to the contrary was not correct.
I did hear despite that that Woodward continued to pursue Mora and that there was a deadline set for today that he was either going to take the job or stay with the Seahawks. It is now pretty much official and Jim Mora will not be returning to the University of Washington.
As far as Mike Leach goes the interview went OK but reportedly was not a complete home run. Remember the guy is kind of quirkyand it is pretty hard to hide quirky for a couple of days.
No word yet on who UW is zeroing in on at this point and I suppose the interview and deliberation process will continue till Sunday. Expect a new coach to be named this coming Monday but at this point we aren't sure who it will be.
Stay tuned because with Mora out of the picture things are really going to accelerate.
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What the heck did they expect???
He is a quirky guy that does nothing but win. With everything there is out there about Leach you would think they knew this already…oh no Leach is weird!!! what a shocker! If they have a chance at Leach and take Hill I might cry…if Leach doesnt want the job (i dont think thats the case) and they go with Hill, than it is what it is. But please do not, not hire him because of what we already knew.
by bigdave967 on
Dec 3, 2008 11:04 AM PST
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I didn't bye all the Mora hype anyway...
being from Seattle doesn’t it stand to reason that if UW is his dream college football job that the Seahawks would be his dream pro fotball job? If he was about to take over the Houstan Texans or someone like that then I could see him trying to get out of it to come back home.
My guess is that UW will spend the rest of this week putting the full court press on Chris Petersen. If they can’t get him to come after what happened yesterday at Oregon then I suspect they will choose this weekend between Leach & Hill.
by Snostrebla on
Dec 3, 2008 11:05 AM PST
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except...
If Mora is paying attention, the reality is his job security will be less with the Seahawks than it would be with the Huskies. If Mora has a couple of years of losing records with the Seahawks, he’s on a very hot seat and perhaps fired. With the UW, he’d get more leeway.
by kirkd on
Dec 3, 2008 11:22 AM PST
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Leach wants the job
If Leach is offered he will take the job….count on it.
by John Berkowitz on
Dec 3, 2008 11:11 AM PST
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I'm counting on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
by Lear Pilot on
Dec 3, 2008 3:06 PM PST
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Hope you're right...
…I’ve heard TT is talking more money now and it will be up to UW to come up with the big bucks. Wouldn’t it make just as much sense to go as hard after Petersen and Whittingham? Is Leach the one they want?
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 11:16 AM PST
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Whittingham!
Kyle Whittingham should be the #1 candidate with Mora ruled out and Brian Kelly out. I wouldn’t be unhappy with hiring Leach or Peterson (if we can get him), but Whittingham has to be Washington’s #1 target right now.
by kirkd on
Dec 3, 2008 11:23 AM PST
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Unknown NFL candidate
Do we have any idea who that is? Is that guy out of the running now?
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 11:17 AM PST
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Do we know it's an NFL candidate?
I no Hugh Millen mentioned an unknown candidate. And I know that people like myself have thrown out the idea of NFL guys, but do we have anything concrete pointing to the NFL candidates?
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
by Lear Pilot on
Dec 3, 2008 3:08 PM PST
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Just don't get Hill!
The guy may be a solid coach but I think the program needs a booster right now and he doesn’t have that kind of pop. I think any of those other guys, Leach, Whitingham or Petersen will get Husky fans fired up.
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 11:30 AM PST
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Mora out...can we talk about something else now...Seriously
John, I love your blog. It is always fun to read and I have learned a ton about Husky football from your daily postings.
Understandably, Husky fans loved Mora because they wanted a coach that would have the same emotional connection to Husky football as the fans do sitting in the stands. However, is that really the best thing for the program? I would argue Mora being on the sidelines is akin to a doctor performing surgery on his own family member – too close to the situation to make tough decisions. Further, as I have stated in previous message postings, we need a coach that can bring a team of assistants together. Great coaches are more often than not, defined by the assistants you have on the sidelines. Under Mora we would probably not have the wholesale change we would under another coach. Specifically, we would likely have Donatell back and I am not sure that is a good thing (this point can be debated).
So let’s start a new topic of discussion. Which of the known candidates would bring together the best team of assistants to our Huskies?
by Dawg Tracks on
Dec 3, 2008 11:34 AM PST
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Petersen
Petersen does more with less than any other coach in the nation. Petersen has been my #1 all along even over Mora.
by Snostrebla on
Dec 3, 2008 11:37 AM PST
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Scheme
That Boise State offensive scheme has looked awesome. It just seems to be getting better and better. The talk around here (I live in eastern wa) is that Kellen Moore was well schooled in football and the passing game with Prosser but he just wasn’t Division 1 material. That kid absolutely shocked me with how poised he is for a redshirt freshmen. So here’s a kid right in the Huskies and Cougs back yard that they didn’t even recruit. If Whittingham is right and 80 percent of being successful as a college coach is recruiting then it’s another reason to hire Petersen.
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 11:44 AM PST
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Hiring a current college coach.
I think that is a big advantage bringing most of your staff with you. Guys who you’ve had past success with and you’re right we’d probably get Donatell again. He may have been able to get major improvement next season but I don’t think it’s such a bad thing to wipe the slate clean and give guys a fresh start.
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 11:39 AM PST
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Petersen
The guy could be more available now. Talks broke off about a contract extention/raise and the Oregon job appears to be closed at this point.
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 11:34 AM PST
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Chris Peterson is a guy I’d target ahead of Pat Hill for sure, and he might be even with Mike Leach for me. But ahead of all of them is Kyle Whittingham – that’s the guy Woodward needs to go after hard right now. If there’s no interest, fine, move on to Peterson. But make a big offer to Whittingham first.
by kirkd on
Dec 3, 2008 11:48 AM PST
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Why Whittingham over Petersen?
I don’t see it.
by Snostrebla on
Dec 3, 2008 11:54 AM PST
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look at the numbers
Utah plays a tougher schedule than Boise State, so Peterson’s edge in W/L record is nullified in my mind. Whittingham is also used to evaluating and recruiting athletes that are closer to what the UW would go after than Peterson.
When you look at how Utah plays and the numbers they post (check my fan post on the subject), Whittingham seems like the perfect fit for those Husky fans that miss Don James style football.
by kirkd on
Dec 3, 2008 1:08 PM PST
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Lifetime Records:
Whittingham 36-14
Petersen 35-3
by Snostrebla on
Dec 3, 2008 12:06 PM PST
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Lifetime records
Utah plays a much tougher schedule than Boise State.
by John Berkowitz on
Dec 3, 2008 12:51 PM PST
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Any of those guys?
Maybe I’m jaded from the Willingham era but I’d take Leach Whittingham or Petersen and feel extremely happy to have any of them!
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 1:01 PM PST
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Coaching search
Too bad Mora appears to be off the table, but we still get him as coach of the Seahawks!
How can you turn down Mike Leach??? Who cares if he’s quirky, HE WINS!!!!!!!
I’d be very pleased with Leach, Petersen or Whittingham.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
by Lear Pilot on
Dec 3, 2008 1:02 PM PST
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Maybe but...
what are their most impressive wins this year?
Wittingham – home wins against TCU, BYU & Oregon State or
Petersen – on the road against Oregon.
Personally I’d say on the road against Oregon is the better win but Utah absolutly plays a tougher overall schedule .
by Snostrebla on
Dec 3, 2008 1:07 PM PST
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I really don't think we can get Whittingham
A mormon coach in a mormon state with a BCS bowl on the horizon and his kind of job security and overall support from the athletic department will be tough to lure away not only this year and to UW but any year to any school. I’d say the same is likely true with Mendenhall which will likely make Utah football very exciting for the next decade or more.
With the Oregon announcement indicating to Chris Peterson he won’t have a crack at that job for several years, he may reconsider his commitment to Boise St. Lord knows that smurf turf can’t be tolerated forever.
I’d say what’s likely is a hire from outside the speculation pool. Nobody was talking much about Steve Sarkisian before his interview was reported and I would expect there has been interest expressed from a few high profile and ambitious coordinators.
I’m secretly hoping Rod Marinelli jumps ship at Detroit. He’s got west coast roots and Pac 10 history and I think he’s more suited for college success anyway.
Anyway, expect an announcement soon, and don’t expect to know who it will be.
Our leather lungs together...
by attakid117 on
Dec 3, 2008 1:53 PM PST
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true, but...
Those are good reasons to be skeptical about Whittingham as a candidate. However, there are possible reasons why the UW might be able to get him:
- Salary; Whittingham only makes $700K currently at Utah. The UW can probably quadruple that. How close can Utah come to matching an offer like that?
- Championship aspirations; While Utah is one of the top non-BCS schools out there, it will still take an unlikely convergence of events for a non-BCS school to ever land in a National Championship game. If Whittingham wants a shot at a National Championship, he needs to be coaching at a BCS school.
No reason for Woodward to not flash $3M in front of Whittingham’s face and see if he bites…
by kirkd on
Dec 3, 2008 2:05 PM PST
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the mormon / mormon thing is a silly argument
Just like saying that a Catholic would rather stay at BC than to take a more prestigious job somewhere else. Money talks and most people who are ambitious enough to get into head coaching will maintain that ambition to go as high as their ceiling will allow. If Kyle can triple his salary and get into a situation with an administration that he trusts, he’d likely make the move.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on
Dec 3, 2008 5:10 PM PST
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If the UW triples Whittinham’s best offer from Utah, of course he comes here. But if they offer 50% more, does he still move?
Have you talked to any serious Mormons? Have you been to SLC? Unlike say, Catholicism, there is a strong attraction for Mormons to live in a particular place in this country, i.e. Utah (and SLC in particular).
And it’s funny you mention Catholicism and Boston College – you know that Brian Kelly has said that Notre Dame and Boston College are his dream jobs, right? You want to take a wild guess as to why?
by kirkd on
Dec 3, 2008 5:25 PM PST
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Dude,
I married a Logan, Utah mormon. Her family was thrilled to attend our wedding in my Catholic church attended by my Priest uncle (shout out to you, Uncle Jim).
Trust me, I get the whole religion thing and, as I stated, it is not all that compelling when measured against a 3x salary.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on
Dec 4, 2008 8:45 AM PST
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Well, that’s what I said isn’t it? The religion aspect increases in importance the closer Utah can get to matching a UW offer.
But it appears that may be a moot point…
by kirkd on
Dec 4, 2008 10:55 AM PST
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whomever they hire
among the remaining candidates is fine with me. Leach, Hill, Petersen, Whittingham are all proven HCs. What I am most interested in is who and what does the staff look like (Coords, position coaches) . My fear is that we go bankrupt hring a name HC and not have the $$ left to keep a great staff together. At one time, the UW led in paying top dollar for assts, thus keeping good ones from jumping for a lateral move that paid more. That $$ bar has been raised and set by Muschamp and Texas. I think a great staff that we paid well would offset any perceived lack of star power, thus I am not in the “jump off the bridge” category if we hire Hill. Hill has a good record of hiring assistants, he just couldn’t keep them due to lack of cash. I remember when Hawkins jumped to Colorado, a lot of people said Petersen was the brains behind the operation anyway. Lets also look at who in the past we coveted as coordinators: Banker OSU, Gregory Cal, Walker & Chow UCLA, Sarkisian USC, Tedford at Ore then, Petersen at BSU. My whole point is the next HC must be a good judge of coaching development and we need to have the bucks to keep the good ones. I doubt we are going to get many 5 stars until we prove we can win with our recruited 3 stars.
by prrbrr on
Dec 3, 2008 1:59 PM PST
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If you hire Leach
you won’t get an OC. He serves in that role as well as the HC, so you are saving that salary expense and it can be distributed to whomever else he would want on the staff.
by Tech92 on
Dec 3, 2008 2:29 PM PST
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Salary
I don’t think UW goes higher than $2.5 million.
by John Berkowitz on
Dec 3, 2008 2:06 PM PST
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maybe
The UW might cap things at $2.5M, but that could be a mistake. I know the budget climate is bad and it would be awkward for Emmert to announce a new coach at $3M or more per year when the general UW budget is facing big cuts, but he needs to man up and take the criticism head-on and explain why it would make financial sense.
The UW can’t blow this hire – they need to get the right guy and get the stadium project moving. I don’t think Pat Hill is the right guy. Mike Leach might be, but he’ll cost a lot of money. And money may be the main way that Emmert can convince guys like Chris Peterson or Kyle Whittingham to trade their current programs which are doing fantastic for one that is in the crapper.
by kirkd on
Dec 3, 2008 2:20 PM PST
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Around the Horn on ESPN
“Buy or Sell Mike Leach at UW?”
Unanimous agreement amongst the commentators that Leach wants the job and that UW would do well to pull the trigger.
Whatever that’s worth
Our leather lungs together...
by attakid117 on
Dec 3, 2008 2:20 PM PST
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that's interesting - didn't see that one.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on
Dec 3, 2008 5:10 PM PST
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Worth a lot...
those guys know what they are talking about and the fact that they ALL agreed makes it all the more worth while…thanks for passing along.
by bigdave967 on
Dec 3, 2008 2:31 PM PST
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Leach
They could go up to $3mill if they want Leach or any other coach but if they end up with Pat Hill he will get under $2 mill. It is all about supply and demand.
by John Berkowitz on
Dec 3, 2008 2:56 PM PST
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Dr. Emmert and $
Dr. Emmert has been clear, he will pay market value. Market value for Leach, probably $3 mil. Throw in a few incentives for Pac10 and National Champs, it would be a win, win scenario.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
by Lear Pilot on
Dec 3, 2008 3:16 PM PST
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Money
If you get the “WOW” factor with one of those hires, it pays for itself. 5000 more butts in Husky Stadium nets almost 2 million clams and that doesn’t include concessions and parking. Why quibble over $500,000?
by dawgfan22 on
Dec 3, 2008 6:16 PM PST
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