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The JC Risk

The first thing you do when you come in as the new football coach of a struggling football program is look to the JUCO ranks for immediate help. Steve Sarkisian is doing exactly that in his first month on the job but the key is not falling into the trap Willingham did during his first two years.

The goal is finding kids who can qualify at UW and start immediately. There are plenty of JC players who could start for UW next year but getting qualified is a completely different matter as Sarkisian and his staff is about to learn. UW is one of the toughest schools in the country to get qualified for if you are a JC transfer.

In California if you have an AA degree you can get into Cal with no problem because of special admission rules. The state of Washington doesn't have JC football programs anymore or automatic admission for those with AA degree's so it is impossible to find qualifiers from the in state system. 

You might remember that we used to stash kids at places like Walla Walla CC, Yakima CC, Olympic CC and Shoreline CC but those programs all died out by the mid 1990's.

UW also doesn't offer a PE major which also puts that at a major disadvantage when it comes to recruiting JC kids. WSU on the other hand does have that major so it is much easier for a JC kid to qualify at WSU because the PE credits can transfer.

Willingham's JC / Transfer Gambles

Willingham recruited some JUCO and transfer talent his first two years at UW that could have turned around his tenure at Washington if they had ever got into school. They didn't and those gambles that didn't pay off were one of the key reasons he was fired this fall.

CB Freeman...He never played a down at UW but was able to qualify at Arizona. He didn't last long for the Wildcats and transfered to Montana where he was arrested on a home invasion charge and is now in jail.

CB Handy...He had problems at Nevada but followed Tormey to Washington but was never able to qualify. He and Freeman not getting in left the secondary very short handed Willingham's first two years which ultimately cost UW the chance for a winning record.

RB Houston...Willingham recruited him at Notre Dame but he went to Texas and played as a frosh. He was asked to leave and showed up at UW. A hijacked taxi after a night at Ricks in Lake City ended his career at UW. He could have made an impact if he had stayed out of trouble. He dominated in practice during his RS year.

OT Mason...He never was able to put on weight and left the program early. He projected well but never made any advances conditioning wise in UW's system.

OT Jefferson...They said he was ready for the pro's but he never qualified. He could have helped out quite a bit of he had gotten in but nobody ever expected him to qualify. You have to wonder why he wasted a spot on a kid who had little chance to get in.

LB Atkins...He was in and out eligibility wise the minute he hit campus. He showed up out of shape and never played. He came in as a MLB but UW wanted him to put on weight and move to DE. The weight he put on was not solid and neither were his academics.

CB Murchison...A string of legal problems and injuries forced him to leave early. He had good athleticism but the injuries kept him off the field. He arrived injured and left injured with some legal bills.

S  Palmer...He would have been a difference maker but he never made it in. He surfaced at Ole Miss as an All SEC LB.

CB Davenport...The UCLA transfer was injured most of the time he was at UW. He flashed good potential and was probably our best CB last year if he could have stayed healthy.

Willingham did have few success stories. One was Jason Wells who started his first two years at safety till he went down with a knee injury. He has one year left to play after redshirting last year to build his knee back up.

WR Marcel Reese was another player who had a some success at UW. He never met his true potential but caught on with the Raiders in the NFL. The problem with Reese was conditioning more than anything else.

P Jared Ballman started two years but was extremely inconsistent as a senior.

DS Danny Morovick has snapped all three years and done a pretty good job. tough to really call him a transfer since he spent a year going to a JC and not playing. He spent his time going to class and going to snapping camps.

So what you have here is 14 transfers in four years with most coming the first two years and only three really panning out for any meaningful playing time.

2009 JUCO Needs

The Huskies would like to bring in up to two JC offensive lineman, a tight end, a defensive lineman, a cornerback, a punter, and possibly a place kicker in the 2009 class.

There are solid reason kids go to JC's.

1. They weren't able to qualify academically the first time around. This is where the risk comes in. The rule of thumb is that if you can't get them qualified by Winter Quarter at UW you don't take a chance on them to qualify for Spring, Summer or Fall. Because Sarkisian only took over the program less than a month ago most of those prime Winter qualifiers are gone.

2. They decided to hone their craft and put on some size so they could get a better offer the second time around. Kids like S Jason Wells and Snapper Danny Morovick fell into the second category. Both were qualified when they went the JC route and the extra year of experience helped them get offers from big time programs.

Sarkisian needs to avoid the pitfalls that Willingham made. If he recruits a JC player he needs to make sure they qualify and most importantly have the talent to start or contribute immediately.

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Isn’t it the ultimate responsibility of the head football coach to know the academic situation of each recruit and gauge their chances of getting into school? I mean I totally understand if a kid or two slips through the cracks but that list is way too big IMO considering that Willingham basically quit trying to bring in JC guys after his first two classes.

by dawgfan22 on Dec 29, 2008 7:37 AM PST reply actions  

Recruiting a Fullback

Isn’t this a priority now that we are switching to a prostyle offense?

by dawgfan22 on Dec 30, 2008 6:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe they're covered...

If Zach Fogerson remains committed for 2010. He’s supposed to be pretty good, right?

by busplunger on Dec 30, 2008 7:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Fogerson

Fogerson is probably the top FB in the nation going in to the 2010 recruiting season.

by John Berkowitz on Dec 30, 2008 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

We’ve got a couple coming back in Homer (SR) and Sylvester (SO), with Zach Fogerson committed for the 2010 class. Doesn’t seem like we’re in dire need at the position at the moment.

by kirkd on Dec 30, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

2 Halfback System

I hope we see more 2 halfback sets. I am anticipating that Sark will implement this into the system. LenDale White and Reggie Bush in the same backfield approach. This would definitely make the RBs happy- that they get a chance to get on the field more. Also I hope we begin using our FB position like SC. Bring him in on short yardage situations and passing situations. I’d like to see our FB become a serious receiving threat as USCs.

But more 2 halfback sets would be beneficial. I don’t like the one halfback set, because if the play is run, then surely the opposing defense knows who is receiving the handoff. Using the 2 halfback system will keep the run stoppers second guessing.

by crazidawg on Dec 30, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure

Of course it is.

Willingham gave up after the first two classes because he had so many failures. Obviously he and his staff really didn’t have a clue who to go after.

If you are going to recruit JC players you need to get in early and do your homework just like anything else.

Sark has his work cut out this season because of the limited time he has been on the job.

Ideally you stash kids in a JC when they fail to qualify and you watch their progress over the next 24-30 months.

by John Berkowitz on Dec 29, 2008 7:52 AM PST reply actions  

Help in the learning curve

I wonder if Sark has been informed of all of these things that are particular to the UW? Is that something Tormey would be passing on or maybe a whole bunch of different staff members?

by dawgfan22 on Dec 29, 2008 8:01 AM PST reply actions  

Do we know

of who Sark is going for in the JC ranks? I saw two guys, a DT and a CB but I do not have the subscriptions to any sites to get a real look…any info would be appreicated!

by bigdave967 on Dec 29, 2008 8:14 AM PST reply actions  

This is what I've seen so far...

Two of them are defensive tackles out of Camino and I believe the other is Mt. Sac. They’re also recruiting a linebacker out of, I believe, Mt Sac. I’ll try to get better info for you/us.

by dawgfan22 on Dec 29, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

The LBer is a HS kid...

…Tim Tucker, he’s a team mate of Josh Moten who is a soft verbal to the Huskies and plays QB. There is apparently a big lineman out of El Camino College but not sure who he is. Could be OL or DL

by dawgfan22 on Dec 29, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

The Admissions Office

I am sure the last staff passed the information on. I think it also may have been common knowledge to him before he came to UW.

The big key is working closely with the admissions office. Don’t make an offer till they have had the chance to review the players transcripts.

by John Berkowitz on Dec 29, 2008 8:15 AM PST reply actions  

Tucker

Tucker will play MLB. I saw some film on him and he can really hit. I like him better than the MLB we recruited last year Mangum becuase he seems a step faster.

by John Berkowitz on Dec 29, 2008 9:36 AM PST reply actions  

A lot of schools are dropping the PE degree, because the trend in public education is to hire PE teachers who can also teach other subjects like math, science, foreign language and other key endorcements.

The schools that offer a PE degree seems to have an advantage in recruiting.

by crazidawg on Dec 29, 2008 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

Miami ex-QB starter Robert Marve

..a potential knucklehead that got suspended for first and last game of 2008 season by Head Coach Shannon…but he is only a true freshman so it might just be immaturity.

Can you believe the terms of his release from Miami are that he can’t go to an ACC, SEC or FLORIDA school??
 I know in-conference bans are common but how is the SEC ban even relevant?

Anyway if it’s enforceable the kid may be coming west (Big 12 or Pac-10)… I wonder if Sark would look at him because he’s a big-time talent, ranked #10 QB by Scout in 2007.

by 206 on Dec 30, 2008 1:53 PM PST reply actions  

That's a No Brainer 206

It’s relevent because the SECers are taking all of Miami and Florida State’s kids. Recruits that went to the Canes and Noles are now opting to play in the SEC. So it would seem justified to put that clause in his scholarship release.

Miami use to recruit all the southern states from Florida to Texas and all the way north to Pennsylvania. Wasn’t surprising to me that a lot of 5 star Miami recruits came from Louisiana and Texas back in the day.

This would explain the success of both LSU and Texas- both use to lose the recruiting battles to Miami and Florida State. The state of Florida is only so big and you have Miami, Florida State, and Florida all recruiting it. Makes perfect sense to me by not allowing the kid to transfer to Florida.

by crazidawg on Dec 30, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Crazy

How in the world do you mine all of that talent? I mean if you’re Texas or Miami you have more talent than you need in your own backyard? Wouldn’t it seem logical to fill up on local in state kids first?

by dawgfan22 on Dec 30, 2008 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Easy

When you are Miami, Florida State, USC, and Oklahoma you rake in all 4 and 5 star recruits. Miami in its hey day was bigger then life. I dare you to research Miami back in the day and find out how many kids they had on their rosters from Louisiana and Texas. These days those kids are staying home and playing for the Tigers and Longhorns.

Why isn’t Miami and Florida State kicking a$$ like they use to? It’s because they are battling Florida for in-state recruits and losing, and aren’t getting the 4 and 5 star recruits from neighboring states like they use to get from Louisiana and Texas. Quite certain hot shot all world class receivers with the names of Michael Irvin and Lamar Thomas are Texans.

by crazidawg on Dec 30, 2008 10:30 PM PST reply actions  

Or is it coaching

Dennis Erickson is no longer at Miami. Bobby Bowden’s best days are behind him. Florida was down for a while, then Urban Meyer showed up. How about Oklahoma, they were down for quite a few years, and suddenly were winners again. Funny, it didn’t take Bob Stoops or Urban Meyer 3-5 years waiting for “their” recruits to come through the system, they developed average players into above average players, and above average players into great players.

It’s not the recruits!!!! It’s the COACH developing the talent. There is a reason these guys are getting paid millions of dollars.

"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"

by Lear Pilot on Jan 1, 2009 6:14 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a little more complicated then that

Then how about you enlightening us on Miami’s decision to put the SEC block on the Miami QB, who wanted to get out of his football scholarship.

Why did Miami put the block on him transferring to the SEC or any other Florida school?

And the reason high profile head coaches get paid millions of dollars stems from the theory of “supply and demand” Low supply = high demand and the increased salaries over the years reflects it.

You want evidence? How about our ousted coach Willingham. He made over $2 million per year and he didn’t develop talent. Supply and demand = increased salaries. That’s all it is about.

by crazidawg on Jan 2, 2009 11:05 AM PST reply actions  

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