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I was talking to a long time Pac Ten assistant coach last night about the problems at Washington and he had a few interesting comments that I will share with you even though I can't disclose his identity for obvious reasons.

Recruiting

"Washington under Willingham isn't very aggressive which makes them a lot easier to recruit against. It is almost as if they are waiting for the kids to come to them. Even when they do there seems to be a disconnect in communications. Washington seldom competes head to head with the the three California schools for talent. Losing Yarber to ASU hurt because he was the most aggressive guy they had plus he had great connections in LA."

"You aren't going to win conference titles when you are beating Idaho and Nevada for players. The recruiting improved the last two years but they are still two-three years away and that is if they didn't blow out the current class with first year injuries by playing them too early."

Player Development

He said that he recruited a number of players on the Washington roster and is surprised by the lack of physical development in the upper classes at UW. He said it seems that Washington is just going through the motions in it's strength training programs. If you were to line up the offensive lines for every school in the league side by side and judge them using the eye test UW would be 9th or 10th.

"The true judge of offensive line strength isn't in the biceps it is the lower body. Compare Oregon's line to Washington's below the belt. The difference is astonishing."

He said that they should have recognized that Jake Locker could use some help with his throwing motion. He finds it hard to believe that they didn't bring in a big time QB coach last season to help with that development.

"Tim Lappano is a very good coach but he had Dennis Erikson helping him out with the development of quarterbacks in the past. He doesn't really have anyone to help him at Washington in that regard. I can understand that you want to have total control over your prized pupil but it isn't working. Lappano can coach QB's but Jake needs more help because of the offense he played in HS. I think Tim would be fine with a kid like Jake Heaps (we all would) because he is a pretty finished product coming out of HS."

Motivation

While the coach respects Willingham the person, the tales of his motivational speaches are a conference wide joke, and a complete guide on how not to address your team.

"There is no fire in those kids and it has been that way ever since Rick Neuheisel left."

"Three Frogs on a log? He really said that? Wow!"

Evaluation

He thinks the staff has done a good job of evaluating talent in recent years while recruiting but they haven't put them in the right places when they got to UW.

"When the state of Washington has a great class it is tough to beat the Huskies on most of those players. Sure their are exceptions here and their but unless the program is in turmoil it doesn't matter who the coach is because the best players will stay home to play in front of their families."

"Losing Taylor Mays really set the program back. If Willingham could have gotten him he would have had a difference maker the equal to Jake Locker on defense. Those type of players don't come along every year in Washington. That poor second year class with the exception of Locker is really hurting him."

"Take Johnnie Kirton for example. Nobody in the Pac Ten offered him as a RB. It was fine to put him at RB for the RS year if that is what it took to get him in the school. He was never going to be a good TE because his hands are suspect and he does not like to block. He had good speed coming in and that would have been best utilized at DE. Take a good look at his body. He hasn't been physically developed well."

"We recruit some of the players Washington is going after. Some we get , some we don't. One thing that does surprise me is where they end up playing once they get there. We had them projected differently."

Willingham

The coach says everyone in the league respects Willingham.

"You are going to read lots of things about the guy that are less than flattering. All programs and coaches have that in common but it really begins to tip over when you start losing. Everything gets blown out of proportion when you lose and everyone forgets your positive contributions."

He thinks that college football has evolved so quickly over the past decade that the game simply has passed Willingham by.

"It seems he's lost touch with the kids. Maybe Stanford was a special situation for him where everything seemed to work because of the type of kid who gravitates there. Kid's are different these days and I think the internet has a lot to do with it. As coaches we have to continually evolve or our careers are over."

He says work ethic is everything these days. "To be succesful in this league and college football in general you have to out work your opponents. We just don't see them that much on the recruiting trail and that is where it all starts. It is really surprising because Washington used to be everywhere on the road."

"Coach James moved into his office during his third year when he had to get things turned around. Sure times are different and when Coach James was at Washington he was making around $40,000 when he started as a base. When you are making over a million per year it takes away some of the urgency. A couple of good years and you are set financially for life."

The Future

"Washington is a top 15-20 job. It always has been. They pay top dollar and they will get a good coach in there who will turn everything around in a couple of years. Washington is a school where you can compete and win national championships. Coaches around the country know that, and Seattle is a great place to live, and sell to recruits."

"Washington is the sleeping giant of the Pac Ten. If they bring in a top coach they will be back among the top three in the conference in a couple of years. Look at what Jim Harbaugh has done at Stanford? Don't tell me that Stanford has more talent on their current roster than Washington. It isn't even close."

"I think they have some good young talent on the roster. If they can turn around the strength program and get a good head man they should be able to turn it around with a kid like Jake Locker at the helm. If you can coach him up he has the potential to be another Tebow."

"I know it isn't a popular decision with the fans to keep Coach Willingham on after he resigned but it is actually perceived as a classy move by members of the coaching community. If you are looking at taking the Washington job this gives you a good look into the window of how you will be treated in the future. Nobody likes to see anyone fired because we all know it could be one of us next."

"I can see Coach Willingham getting another head coaching job. If that doesn't happen he has enough contacts in the NFL so if he wants to keep working there will be a place for him. The one thing the local (Seattle) fan doesn't understand is how well respected nationally he is. I think in the right situation he can do very well if he makes the adjustments we all need to do to survive in this profession. Very few of us retire without getting fired. It is the nature of the job."

 

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Great Article

This really hits all the key points that all of us that are paynig close attention have seen for a while now.

by Snostrebla on Nov 5, 2008 10:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Fantastic, J.B.

Please thank your coach-friend for sharing his insight with us.

Getting outcoached on the field is certainly frustrating, but there is absolutely no excuse for this program getting outworked on the recruiting trail and outworked in the strength and conditioning programs.

Better times ahead…

by busplunger on Nov 5, 2008 11:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent interview

Thanks for posting this John. Those are some really good insights into the program under Willingham. The comments all seem objective and ring true. You are really taking this blog to another level. You’ve got better material here on the huskies than just about anywhere.

by row Z on Nov 5, 2008 1:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Great discussion

It sums up what we suspected was the case. I don’t see how he is so well respected if the game has passed him buy and he is perceived as being “Lazy” at recruiting (my word). It also gives us hope. We can turn it around with the right guy and ME/SW want to.

by dadcojohn on Nov 5, 2008 2:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

great insights

Fantastic stuff John – this is great info. It confirms a lot of things I’ve suspected, including:

- Lappano is an OK QB coach if the players are already fundamentally sound, but for a guy like Jake that needs a lot of refinement given the kind of program he came from, we needed better – Lappano should’ve been moved to RB coach and a real QB tutor brought in as an assistant. Is that Gervais?

- There is talent here, but it’s been squandered. Poor decisions about player positions, poor weight room development. And now we’re burning through Ty’s best class and potentially retarding their growth by subjecting them to injury before they were physically ready for this level of competition.

- Whatever is going on with the strength & conditioning program – whether it’s Greener and his staff, facilities, Ty’s staff or player attitudes – it has to change.

- Ty is an awful motivator.

- Ty is a lazy recruiter.

- This is still a plum job, and it should be possible to get to a bowl game in the 2010 season. Depth issues (including this lost class) may mean a fall back after that for a season or two, but by the new coach’s 5th season the program should be on a steady upward progression from minor bowls to competing for the Pac-10.

by kirkd on Nov 5, 2008 2:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

good interview

given your mystery guest’s comments on how the decision to keep Ty on the rest of the year is perceived as “classy” by the rest of the coaching community, I wonder if it changes anyone’s minds about the wisdom of that decision. I’d like to share some of my Kool-Aid.

"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.

by Gekko Mojo on Nov 5, 2008 2:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Coach speak

He is speaking in general rather than being completely specific regarding this situation. I don’t think you will ever find a coach that will ever be in favor of a mid season firing.

by John Berkowitz on Nov 5, 2008 4:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They'll never say publically

he (any coach) should be fired mid season.

Baird thinks no coach should get fired, period, although he’s starting to sound like he thinks Ty needs to go.

The assistant coaches can have a recruit all lined up and all Ty needs to do is close…he doesn’t is something I’ve also heard.

by T9ODawg on Nov 5, 2008 5:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's Code of the Road

That is just the way they all do it. One of the rules of the fraternity.

by John Berkowitz on Nov 6, 2008 6:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep the kool aid

These guys need to work harder in the gym, and they need to start now. Just another reason to get rid of Willingham.

Great piece John, with the right strenght and conditioning we should get competitive soon. Oh for the days of Ernie Conwell, they actually had to cut back his lifting, he was getting too big and bulky.

"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"

by Lear Pilot on Nov 5, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone one thinking

of hiring Ty for another HC gig had better put a clause in the contract “lazy recruiting will get you fired”

I’ve heard the recruiting stories from my tailgating partners, Ty does expect the recruits to come to UW because he’s there, end of story

by T9ODawg on Nov 5, 2008 3:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

recruiting

My son is a head football coach in sw washington. Last year he had 2 offensive linemen that were being recruited by Oregon, WSU, OSU AND4 OR 5 OTHER PAC 10 SCHOOLS. These linemen were both about 6ft 5in and about 290lbs. These kids were both honor role students.My son, being a life long Husky fan send emails to the UW recruiting coordinator about these kids and encouraged their recruitment to UW. He never heard back from Washington. I sent an email to an ex Husky defensive lineman who contacted someone on the Washington staff who final made a belated pitch to get one of the players. By that time it was to late. He now plays for the Oregon Ducks. Not good.

by hsteele7 on Nov 5, 2008 5:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Tormey

Chris Tormey who is the recruiting coordinator and LB coach hasn’t done a very good job. I will say that the head coach sets the tone. Tormey should have left when he had an offer from Dennis Erickson….it would have refreshed his career. Coaches don’t have to work very hard under Tyrone.

by John Berkowitz on Nov 5, 2008 6:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes

The new guy has his work cut out for him rebuilding recruiting

by T9ODawg on Nov 5, 2008 5:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

great interview!!

not only was this a great interview, but it confirmed what i have heard about UW football from informed sources (e.g. you, and Dawgman posters such as AANDY):

- there is adequate talent on the current roster to be competitive in the Pac and to possibly make it to a bowl game as early as next season. with the right coach, the turnaround can be quick.

-UW football’s head coaching position is still among the top 20 jobs in all of college football. this will make it much easier to attract the right coach.

better days lie ahead.

by oahu dawg on Nov 5, 2008 6:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

what is tragic...

…is that guys like Kirton and White-Frisbee have been completely wasted. Their careers could have turned out so much differently.

by Derek Johnson on Nov 6, 2008 12:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Tragic

They were both actually in Gilberston’s first and only class. JWF is a testament to why you don’t play frosh linemen early. Freshman no matter how talented are very rarely ready and as a rule end up getting hurt.

by John Berkowitz on Nov 6, 2008 6:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and...

It’s not just that they get hurt – it’s that those injuries impede their ability to do the kind of lifting and training they need to get themselves ready for Pac-10 play, and they fall behind in terms of trying to develop to their full potential. Also, time injured = time not spent practicing and learning how to improve their technique. It’s a vicious cycle, and while we (rightfully) rail against the coaching staff for not properly developing their players, these early injuries are part of the problem.

If Emmert had the fortitude to go through with canning Ty last year, we’d be in our first season with a new coach; that coach would’ve had a bit of a honeymoon with fans, and would’ve had the option to punt this year, play guys like Te’o Nesheim, Kirton, Elisara, Jones, Wood, Matthews & O’Connor while redshirting guys like Thompson, Kelemete & Ta’amu and letting Duncan heal. The sacrifice of Thompson, Kelemete & Ta’amu’s redshirt years is going to haunt us, just like it did with Gunheim, Lobos, JWF & Rayford.

Ty was on a scorching seat and of course played the guys he thought gave him the best chance to win, even if it meant harming the development of his talented freshmen d-linemen. And now we know it didn’t even matter – he could’ve redshirted those guys and it wouldn’t have made a difference in the win column.

by kirkd on Nov 6, 2008 9:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh yes

What I meant to imply was that Willingham & Co. had failed miserably in developing his players, regardless of who recruited them.

by Derek Johnson on Nov 8, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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