A Neu and Improved Neuheisel
Rick Neuheisel is arriving in Seattle this week for his return to Husky Stadium and even though he didn't leave under the best of circumstances most close to him insist that he is a changed man. What has changed about Rick is that he has reportedly learned a life lesson from his time in Seattle and has marched the straight and narrow ever since.
I didn't mind the old Rick except for the Clintonian way he went about his business.He lived a life which resulted in death by 1000 paper cuts.Despite that I thought he did a lot more good than bad while at UW and most of the good things he did were out of the public eye. Washington may never have had a more compassionate head coach when it came to helping out people in need.
His return was marked by a public apology to Husky fans for his past conduct which really impressed me. He didn't have to do that but he did. Like a man going through a twelve step program Rick is coming to terms with his past so he can have a better future. While Neuheisel is happy at UCLA he does have regret for his time at Washington. Like he said on his way out he never really appreciated what he had up here until it was taken away.
Testimony to Rick's regret are all the friends he made and left behind when he comes up to visit here each year during the summer. Rick left part of himself behind in Seattle and rather than crawl away in shame he faced it straight on.
That brings us to this weeks question. Will you boo Rick Neuheisel when he steps on to the field on Saturday? I don't think many will and I won't be surprised if many more boo the current head coach Tyrone Willingham.
Do you you really think Tyrone will be coming back to visit life long friends once he packs up the moving truck in coming weeks? Do you think Tyrone will ever apologize for his performance as head coach at Washington?
For my money I will take Neuheisel with all his warts and blemishes. He may have been a piece of work at times while he was here, but I give the man a tip of the hat for sticking with it, and trying to improve upon his flaws.
I advise that you provide a polite round of applause for the last man to take us to a Rose Bowl.
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I won't boo him John
For the most part Husky FB was fun under Rick, we had a blast at the Rose Bowl, blew big ones in the Sun Bowl and couldn’t win the track meet in San Diego.
My impression of Rick is that overall his a much more compassionate human being than the present guy and he made the fans feel welcome instead of shutting the team up in a private jail.
Jack
by T9ODawg on
Nov 11, 2008 11:06 AM PST
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Wow. I couldn't disagree more...
I don’t see how ANY Husky fan could let this guy off the hook. While he did do some classy things off the field with Curtis Williams, ect. He brought this program to it’s knee’s and kicked it right in the nuts. I like Rick as a person and am glad that he owned up to what he did but had he relized all this 8 years ago we wouldn’t be here in this mess. Rick, the man, is good / Rick, the coach, #%#!!!!
by Snostrebla on
Nov 11, 2008 11:39 AM PST
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huh?
He brought this program to it’s knees? How do you figure that?
I will agree that the program was trending downward in his last 2 seasons, but I also know that it wouldn’t have fallen anywhere near as far if he’d stayed. Him staying was impossible due to his off-field issues (lying, betting pool), but Hedges never should’ve fired him in June. The correct course of action was to keep him for the 2003 season, stall the NCAA while conducting “internal investigations”, then fire him after the 2003 season and pay him his severance. That way a real coaching search could’ve happened instead of just handing an obviously interim job to Gilby.
by kirkd on
Nov 11, 2008 11:50 AM PST
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He got permission to do the neighborhood bet from the AD, and filed a lawsuit for wrongful termination and won. So I fail to see what he did wrong. Was it stupid of him to do this bet? yes. But was it worth his job? no. And quite frankly, the program would be a hell of a lot better off if he had stayed. And for all of those who say “he was a terrible coach” even Joe Pa has bad seasons and there is no way people are gonna tell me that he is a bad coach… And if you don’t like that example, we will go with Darrell Royal, my personal favorite (who also coached at UW).
"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
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by Hook'em13 on
Nov 11, 2008 12:09 PM PST
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Who cares about the off field crap
He turned our football program from a tough, hard working power, into a bunch of lazy powderpuff losers. I’ll boo him for what he did on the field not for the other crap!
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 12:15 PM PST
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how was UW hard nosed?
they have been mediocre ever since Don James left.. In fact, their best season has come from neuheisel since Don left. So lets not say that UW was a powerhouse hard nosed football team until neuheisel came along cause that is just not true.
"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
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by Hook'em13 on
Nov 11, 2008 12:23 PM PST
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Lets take a look
Benji Olson, Olin Kreutz, Tony Parrish, Lawyer Milloy, Jason Chorak, Corey Dillion, Ernie Conwell, Lester Towns, Napoleon Kaufman, and oh, bye the way, Marques Tuiasosopo just happened to be a Lambright recruit. Just to name a few.
So yes, the TRUTH is they were a tough, hard nosed team.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 12:45 PM PST
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so they were a hard nosed team eh?
so they were a mediocre hard nosed team.. I don’t know about you, but I would rather have an 11-1 Rose bowl champion non hard nosed team than a 6-6 hard nosed team.. But what do I know?
"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
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by Hook'em13 on
Nov 11, 2008 12:48 PM PST
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I gotta agree with Lear on this
That 11-1 non hard nosed Rose Bowl champion was good but it was a one trick pony. If Marcus would have went down with an injury that season……
It set the precedent for future “non-hard nosed” teams that didn’t have near the talent and thus went 6-6 and eventually 1-10.
by Snostrebla on
Nov 11, 2008 1:08 PM PST
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Lambrights players
He won with Lambrights players, they were tough. When they left, so did the wins. See his record his last two years.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 2:23 PM PST
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he did alot better with the players
than gilbertson did. And I still think he is the best coach since don james.
And as for Snostrebla’s comment
That 11-1 non hard nosed Rose Bowl champion was good but it was a one trick pony. If Marcus would have went down with an injury that season……
my answer is, who doesn’t have a player like that? If Colt McCoy went down with an injury or Tebow or Beanie wells went out, their teams would fall apart. thats part of football.
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by Hook'em13 on
Nov 11, 2008 3:58 PM PST
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Wrong, you lose, try again.
Check out Colorado’s records. After he left they went 7-5, and then 3-8, does that look at all familiar, or similar to 6-6, and 1-11???
He was a good game day coach, that screwed over the program in the long run. Why do you think he has NEVER been Head Coach at a program for more than 4 years??? I predict that record will hold true at UCLA.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 4:23 PM PST
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If you look at the recors, he left UW better than when he came
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by Hook'em13 on
Nov 11, 2008 4:48 PM PST
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record
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by Hook'em13 on
Nov 11, 2008 4:48 PM PST
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Records
Actually by records alone he took over a 6-6 team, and left us a 7-6 team, hhmm, not much difference.
More importantly was the state in which he left the program, he took over a strong program with a mediocre record, and when he left it was in shambles.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 4:59 PM PST
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Because he got a better offer one time
and was fired for stupid reasons the other time.
Neither case serves as an indictment of his coaching ability because his on-field performance was never presented as a reason for firing him.
I mean, if you’re so adamant about only hating Neuheisel for his coaching performance then I suppose you would have supported allowing him to coach the 2003 season to see if he could rectify the deficiencies you think he created.
by discovolante on
Nov 11, 2008 10:23 PM PST
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THIS ISN'T THE NFL
The state of the program is just as important as on field performance.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 12, 2008 2:00 PM PST
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Well let's take a closer look:
Note: I’d never dispute that Hedges didn’t handle things correctly but really that was just “par for the course” with Hedges. She didn’t handle much of anything involving football correctly.
1) He gambled on an NCAA product even thou EVERYONE new the NCAA was watching him with eagle eyes. If he is going to use the UW e-mail as an excuse then he should have called the NCAA themselves and got it in writing from them. He just found an excuse with the e-mail.
2) He recruited poorly which was directly responsible for Gilby’s 1-10 season from which we still haven’t recovered.
3) He fired Bill Gilespie who was the best S&C trainer the UW has had. – look at us now =(
4) He disgraced the university that I love with his constant off the field negitive drama with the NCAA.
Now you want me to cheer for him?!?? = NO WAY!
by Snostrebla on
Nov 11, 2008 12:16 PM PST
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disagree
1) We agree here – Neuheisel screwed-up by entering those pools. His tendency to push boundaries was going to get him in trouble sooner or later, and he’d pretty much reached the breaking point with the UW.
2) Disagree. The reason for the 1-10 collapse was not recruiting, it was a team in revolt at the culture change that Gilby tried to impose combined with poor leadership and coaching by Gilby (Paus running a spread option? Really?) There was enough talent on that team that had Neuheisel been there, I doubt they’d have lost more than 6 or 7 games. Obviously not good, but much better than the complete collapse under Gilby. As I said, he was already on the road to getting himself fired, but Hedges should’ve done it after the 2003 season, not in June of 2003.
3) Do you not remember the huge number of shoulder injuries in our program under Gillespie? He had his issues too.
4) I agree the off-field drama sucked. I’m not asking you to cheer for him. But before anyone boos him, I ask that they consider the positives he brought – the 11-1 Rose Bowl year (I assert that Lambo would not have gone 11-1 with that team), the way he handled the Curtis Williams tragedy and all the positive things he did off the field that he didn’t publicize.
by kirkd on
Nov 11, 2008 1:21 PM PST
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Hmmm..
2) I agree there was alot of inner turmoil but that team had far less talent than what Rick started here with. Could Paus run any offiense? I agree if Neu was here that he would have faired better but not buy as much as 5 or 6 games. Our whole offense had become Cody to Reggie. When those two left it all fell apart as they were the only two quality players on the offense besides maybe Kalif Barnes.
3) Having been a personal trainer and involved in training for almost 20 years your moving into what many would call my expertise here. The shoulder injuries were a problem but training philosophies can be replaced. The motivation and intensity that Bill brought to the job are VERY hard to replace. As one former player told me – the weight room became a joke once Bill was gone. It has shown on the field in every game since.
4) I agree – Nue the man really cared about his players off the field as much as on the field. He did some very nice things for them and the community. However, to me, his negative actions as head coach of the UW over shadow this.
by Snostrebla on
Nov 11, 2008 1:47 PM PST
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Wow, you guys have been sold on a bunch of crap!
John, I’m very disappointed. Applaud him? I didn’t realize we had fallen so far that we would applaud the destroyer of Husky Nation! Rick should run for president, he can sell ice to eskimos. Anybody that thinks that his “apology” was sincere is crazy. He is trying not to get booed, his giant ego can’t handle it. Yes he is sorry for what happened here, he is sorry he got caught! The only thing that changed about Rick is he now knows he isn’t above the law.
As far as on the field, they won their first two years because of Tui. How quickly we forget they couldn’t win a game until the last two minutes, and Tui pulled it out for him. He doesn’t know the meaning of hard work. His players were lazy. Read the article on Jordan Reffett after Ty got hired, they didn’t work out, they didn’t go to class, they didn’t lift weights, all they did was party. THAT is what caused his last two years to fall apart, and it would have continued getting worse had he not been fired.
THIS MESS IS HIS FAULT, HE STARTED MAKING THIS PROGRAM AND ITS PLAYERS LAZY!!!!! Don’t compare Rick to Ty, they both are horrible coaches for completely different reasons.
DON’T YOU DARE APPLAUD A MAN WHO PISSED ON THE UW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 12:06 PM PST
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You're laying blame about 10 years too late
It all started with Gerberding’s penial envy of the clout Don James had so Gerberding decided to take FB down a notch by first forcing Lude out, hiring Babs, stabbing DJ in the back when the pac 10 handed out their penalties on the Huskies for alleged miscellaneous violations. Thereby getting the ball rolling downhill so instead of being down a notch we’re down in the Marianus trench, thank you Wm. J. Gerberding
To blame where Husky FB is today on RN is blatently wrong.
It is the result of bad decisions over the period of close to 20 years.
It started with Gerberding and is ending with the dumba$$ hire of Ty. IMHO
Jack
by T9ODawg on
Nov 11, 2008 2:48 PM PST
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Agreed - The fall started far earlier
The events you mentioned started the snowball down the hill. But it was Neuheisel that helped the snowball off the cliff and started the freefall. Willingham got on board and hasn’t been able to do anything to slow down the free fall.
In 1999 when Rick took over, the program was recoverable, after he got done with us we were in an unrecoverable “spin”. The only option was wait for the crash, start rebuilding and hope the program will take flight again. Sorry if that has too much of an aviation twist to it.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 3:17 PM PST
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The painful part of all this
Babs could have hired Pinkel then. Where would we be now?
by T9ODawg on
Nov 11, 2008 3:35 PM PST
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Oh, to dream of what could have been . . .
She really did screw us over!
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 5:01 PM PST
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Comparison
To applaud Neuheisel because he is better than Willingham, is the same as applauding Hitler because he is better than Osama Bin Laden!!!!!!!!!
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 12:11 PM PST
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I like Rick, and I always will
I was a student at UW through all of Rick’s tenure as head coach, and I thought he was great. I will never forget his speech after we won the Rose Bowl, it still gives me goose bumps. I had the pleasure of talking with Rick on the phone about a year ago. I was at a bar with a friend of his who handed me the phone. All I could do was tell Rick that I was proud of the things he did as coach of UW and that there were still many out there in Husky Nation that felt the same as me. We would have done fine if he had stuck around.
by Erik_Hayden on
Nov 11, 2008 1:40 PM PST
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Wow, are you looking for a coach or a date?
I am tired of people defending him because he was so likeable. He was very likeable, but he took the heart right out of our program.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 2:25 PM PST
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Time Must Heal All Wounds
I’m with Lear Pilot and Snostrebla on this one. Whether or not Neu is a “nice guy” is missing the point. He is guilty of the same things that Ty is guilty of … an inability to win (in Neu’s case, win at the rate UW was accustomed to, in Ty’s case win at all) with his own players. Both performances were unacceptable in the time of their tenures. I certainly don’t see Ty as some how more responsible than Neu for the state of college football. Ty’s crime is not turning it around; Neu’s crime was letting it turn the wrong way.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on
Nov 11, 2008 3:12 PM PST
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I couldn't say it any better than Gekko just did
Gekko you nailed it.
by Snostrebla on
Nov 11, 2008 3:17 PM PST
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Well said.
Wow, we agree!!! I might actually like agreeing with you, on occasion that is.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 3:21 PM PST
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I don't think Neuheisel's win rate was any concern.
It wasn’t yet, anyway.
The guy had a higher winning percentage than both Lambright and Owens for cryin’ out loud. Neuheisel’s biggest crime then seems to be that 13-game stretch from the 2001 OSU game until the 2002 NW Championship run where they went 5-8.
I think “letting it turn the wrong way” is a fair assessment. Neither someone who has a negative opinion of him, nor someone who has a positive opinion of him, can honestly say how that 2003 team would have performed with Neuheisel still at the helm.
by discovolante on
Nov 11, 2008 4:14 PM PST
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But one can make an educated guess
Neuheisel has a nack of leaving just before it gets really bad, see Colorado.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 5:03 PM PST
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Wow
One thing about rick is everyone has an opinion about him…that was a pretty good response from all angles from everyone.
I don’t blame Rick for the downfall even though things were starting to slide. He understood that and was taking the steps to take care of that when he was fired. i can guarantee you the program would never have fallen to these depths with him in charge even though we were due a couple of mediocre years.
The people I blame are William Gerberding and Barbara Hedges. Those two clowns started all this when they conspired to force DJ out. Don’t forget that Gerberding forced Harshman and Lude out prematurely also.
by John Berkowitz on
Nov 11, 2008 5:11 PM PST
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The start of the "slide"
John – What steps are you refering to? I agree they wouldn’t have fallen to these depths. But I highly doubt he would have had a winning record the next few years. He was just to friendly with the players, and to concerned with the players having fun, and not with weight lifting and workouts that football requires.
Neuheisel is like most parents these days, too concerned with being friends with their kids, and not willing to do what is actually best for them.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 7:59 PM PST
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What steps?
He never got the chance to tell you the truth. He was out and Gilby was in. Rick felt the team had lost toughness and had a plan to bring toughness back to the forefront.
by John Berkowitz on
Nov 11, 2008 11:24 PM PST
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I don't buy this...
We were soft for his last 2-3 years here. He should have came up with a plan as soon as we all saw it happening. 2-3 years is WAY TOO long to come up wit a plan.
by Snostrebla on
Nov 12, 2008 8:32 AM PST
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HA!!!!
The only thing the weasel is sorry for is being caught, time after time.
They were glad to be rid of him in Colorado and then he screwed us even more than he screwed them.
by Norm1 on
Nov 11, 2008 6:21 PM PST
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I love references to the Gerb.
keep ’em coming.
As far as Neuheisel and “the slide” – I’m a little surprised to see how Neu’s time has been romanticized. Like I said, time must heal all wounds because I remember some weak recruiting, a couple of embarrassing bowl losses (giving up nearly 50 pts to Texas???) and a couple of extremely embarrassing regular season losses (Or St at home, Miami in Miami, Air Force, and BYU come to mind). In hindsight, we’d love to have those records now given how bad things have become, but I see no evidence to suggest that Neu was any better than the .500 record we were trending towards. I’m sure JB is right – stability would have probably ensure that we didn’t slide into the abyss … but Neu would not have lasted much longer at the rate he was going. At the time, we would not have stood for it.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on
Nov 11, 2008 8:34 PM PST
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Very well said!
You are in danger of losing your reputation.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 11, 2008 9:56 PM PST
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agreed
I believe that Neuheisel was headed towards the same mediocrity that got Lambo fired. I doubt that he’d have lasted much more than a couple of years beyond his actual time here had all the off-field stuff never happened, as I think he was sliding towards .500 and maybe below.
But the way people demonize him just floors me. Yeah, he made a lot of mistakes. But Ty has done more to bury this program than Neuheisel ever did.
by kirkd on
Nov 11, 2008 10:42 PM PST
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Kirk
I think Neu was good for a couple of more years if he hadn’t screwed up on the gambling pool. Like any coach except Saint Willingham he was expected to win and he knew it. Bottomline the program wouldn’t have fallen as hard as it did if Neu wasn’t fired prematurely without an adequate plan in place to put someone adeaute in charge to replace him.
i also think Neu would have thrived under an athletic director like Mike Lude.this one is all on Hedges and Gerberding. don’t forget McCormick who didn’t provide any oversight over Hedges.
by John Berkowitz on
Nov 11, 2008 11:29 PM PST
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A players coach
John, and everybody else, please show me one coach labeled “A Players Coach” that didn’t push the weight room, and didn’t push off season workouts, and was actually successfull over a long period.
IF Rick could hold a job for more than 4 years, we wouldn’t have anything to discuss. I think UCLA will be the tell tale job for him. You will soon see, he is too soft and easy going on his players to have a continually successful program.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 12, 2008 2:05 PM PST
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I agree with you JB...
They shouldn’t have acted so quickly to get him out.
Where is the player accountability for the weight room. No matter what they always had a strength trainer there to help these kids but why werent they using it. You are talking about 18-23 year old young men. Why on earth would you not want to lift and get better!
And I would take a “soft” football team that wins over a hard nosed football team that loses any day of the week! I dont care how it gets done, as long as it gets done correctly!
by bigdave967 on
Nov 12, 2008 6:21 AM PST
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wow, polite controversy at last
No, i won’t boo Rick nor would I boo Billy joe if he were to return as a husky legend. The program started to take on water while he was captain but doubt it would have sunk as fast if First Mate Smee hadn’t been promoted followed by Captain Queeg. Its time to let this one go and look to our next hire, which absolutely needs to be correct.
by prrbrr on
Nov 12, 2008 11:52 AM PST
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Big Dave - you remember Neu's teams as "hard-nosed"?
wow. Like I said, time heals all wounds.
"Greed is Good."
So is Rudy.
by Gekko Mojo on
Nov 12, 2008 1:35 PM PST
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wtf?
where did big dave say he thought they were a hard nosed team?
And I would take a "soft" football team that wins over a hard nosed football team that loses any day of the week! I dont care how it gets done, as long as it gets done correctly!
"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
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by Hook'em13 on
Nov 12, 2008 1:52 PM PST
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Good, then we all agree his teams got soft.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 12, 2008 3:37 PM PST
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we agree it all went soft
and we all also agree they one more games… so there
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by Hook'em13 on
Nov 12, 2008 3:46 PM PST
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Who hasn't won more games than Willingham?
His crime was hitting the iceberg, and letting the ship start to sink. He didn’t even go down with the ship, at least he did sink himself.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 12, 2008 8:45 PM PST
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I wasn't talking about willingham
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by Hook'em13 on
Nov 12, 2008 9:09 PM PST
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KJR - This Morning
Rick himself proved my point this morning on his interview with Mitch in the Morning. He said that by firing Lambright, and hiring him, the “culture” of Husky football changed.
It was that change in culture that caused the downfall of Husky Nation.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 13, 2008 3:33 PM PST
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not so much
the ncaa raping UW because they were dominating the pac-ten was the downfall of husky nation.
"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa
by Hook'em13 on
Nov 13, 2008 4:55 PM PST
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NCAA
The NCAA AND the PAC 10 raping the UW started the decline of UW Football, Neuheisel put it into a freefall, Willingham jump on board and is riding it into the ground.
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by Lear Pilot on
Nov 13, 2008 7:42 PM PST
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again, not so much
Neuheisel wasn’t the best coach in the world, but I did like him, and I still do. I think putting the programs failure on him is just idiotic. He was a good game day coach, and to my knowledge (which on UW football is limited), he was a fairly good recruiter. I think in the long run he would have been good for the program, and would have made uw competitive in the pac ten.
"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa
by Hook'em13 on
Nov 13, 2008 8:08 PM PST
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Way to shoot yourself in the foot!
“and to my knowledge (which on UW football is limited),” maybe, just maybe, if you have limited knowledge on a subject you shouldn’t act like an expert. I wouldn’t dream of telling you the pro’s and con’s of the Texas Longhorns, and you won’t tell me how to fly an airplane, right? Ok, I on the other hand have know WAY TOO MUCH about the last 20 years of Husky Football.
Neuheisel is a good game day coach, and he could sell Ice to Eskimo’s or heaters to guys in Texas. But he even admits to changing the culture of Husky Football. It’s beyond obvious that the culture before Neuweasel was blue collar, hard working, and wins. The culture after Neuheisel is lazy, soft and losses. You can even look at his tenure, the first half was successful, with hard working players, the second half was getting worse every week with lazy players. Enough said.
"Bow Down to Washington"
"Kick the tires and light the fires!"
by Lear Pilot on
Nov 13, 2008 9:28 PM PST
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the differance between you and I is
I follow the husky’s, but I don’t follow EVERYTHING about the husky’s. And as far as me “acting like an expert”, I am not. We are not arguing about “husky football legends”, if we were I would stay out of it. We are talking about the downfall of the husky program (which I have happened to be around for to watch). You say it is Neuheisel’s fault, I disagree and blame the NCAA and the Pac Ten. That is about all there is too this argument (besides the fact you say they were “hard nosed” and at no point have I disagreed with you).
"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa
by Hook'em13 on
Nov 14, 2008 8:54 AM PST
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